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02-15-2008, 08:53 PM
ether.real

OK, I am having the strangest issue, maybe someone here can help.

I have 4x1GB of Ballistix 1066. For several months, I ran them at 1080, 5-5-5-15, 2.1V. 100% stable. Then, all of a sudden, I have tons of stability issues. I end up knocking the RAM back down to 800 which fixes about 90% of the stability issues.

So here is where it gets weird. If I try and run 1066, Vista hangs, BSODs, or reboots within a couple minutes, if it even loads up. However, every RAM test outside of windows passes forever (including every RAM test on UBCD).

Any thoughts? I have heard Vista can be sensitive to timings...but this is just ridiculous.
02-15-2008, 09:53 PM
fireice2

@ether.real

I had that issue before with D9GMH modules. :D

I believe its RMA time. hehehe
02-15-2008, 10:47 PM
nzbleach

Quote:

Originally Posted by ether.real

OK, I am having the strangest issue, maybe someone here can help.

I have 4x1GB of Ballistix 1066. For several months, I ran them at 1080, 5-5-5-15, 2.1V. 100% stable. Then, all of a sudden, I have tons of stability issues. I end up knocking the RAM back down to 800 which fixes about 90% of the stability issues.

So here is where it gets weird. If I try and run 1066, Vista hangs, BSODs, or reboots within a couple minutes, if it even loads up. However, every RAM test outside of windows passes forever (including every RAM test on UBCD).

Any thoughts? I have heard Vista can be sensitive to timings...but this is just ridiculous.

very very common with D9GMH memory. I've been through this 3 times on 3 different setups.
02-15-2008, 10:51 PM
Jupiler

Quote:

Originally Posted by gsan

does this mobo have serious vdroop with quadcore even the vdroop control disabled in bios?

Vdroop is ok.
With my quad at 3800, CPU-Z reads 1.408V idle and 1.392V load.
02-16-2008, 02:31 AM
C-N

Quote:

Originally Posted by kberguy1

Does anyone know if the current beta BIOS/next official BIOS will support half multis?

You need a 45nm to unlock the feature in BIOS (you wont see it with a 65nm chip).

CN :)
02-16-2008, 06:22 AM
cantankerous

Quote:

Originally Posted by ether.real

OK, I am having the strangest issue, maybe someone here can help.

I have 4x1GB of Ballistix 1066. For several months, I ran them at 1080, 5-5-5-15, 2.1V. 100% stable. Then, all of a sudden, I have tons of stability issues. I end up knocking the RAM back down to 800 which fixes about 90% of the stability issues.

So here is where it gets weird. If I try and run 1066, Vista hangs, BSODs, or reboots within a couple minutes, if it even loads up. However, every RAM test outside of windows passes forever (including every RAM test on UBCD).

Any thoughts? I have heard Vista can be sensitive to timings...but this is just ridiculous.

Man, I'm really sorry to hear of that happening to you. I get scared of that happening to me all the time with these chips. I am lucky I have not had any issues yet, but to RMA them would be a kick in the face with the newer revision they are now giving out.
02-16-2008, 07:29 AM
politenessman

Quote:

Originally Posted by C-N

You need a 45nm to unlock the feature in BIOS (you wont see it with a 65nm chip).

CN :)

funny i wasnt able to access .5 multis with the 11/07 bios until i flashed to the beta, then back. anyone else have stability probs with 109 bios and 8400 on the 333 strap? my q6600 ran fine, but e8400 got tons of stange service errors and "superfetch no longer working" and "windows indexing shutting down" randon reboots, etc. other bios's are fine, 11/07 best.
02-16-2008, 08:09 AM
Sepander

Yeah baby! Better cooling, better results. MIPS pwm block fits perfectly.:D
http://xs224.xs.to/xs224/08076/oknes_009532.jpg.xs.jpg http://xs224.xs.to/xs224/08076/oknes_010968.jpg.xs.jpg

Testing:
http://xs224.xs.to/xs224/08076/sp1m8x570115.gif.xs.jpg
02-16-2008, 08:42 AM
palese

Quote:

Originally Posted by nzbleach

very very common with D9GMH memory. I've been through this 3 times on 3 different setups.

Simple solution stop using Vista:yepp:
02-16-2008, 09:06 AM
karateo

Quote:

Originally Posted by palese

Simple solution stop using Vista:yepp:

well, i used them a month ago for the first time and now I want to install them on all of my pcs :p:

superfetch is perfect!!!!
plenty of ram and forget raptors or raid 0 :cool:

the best memory test to comply with vista requirements?
02-16-2008, 10:42 AM
mrcape

Hey guys any screen caps or template of the new beta bios voltage section?

I'm itching to see what the "VTT Voltage for 45nm" change is ? Also, how low does PLL go in the new one, less than 1.55v?
02-16-2008, 01:21 PM
mad_skills

Quote:

Originally Posted by palese

Simple solution stop using Vista:yepp:

I like the way you think man...:D
02-16-2008, 01:23 PM
fireice2

Quote:

Originally Posted by palese

Simple solution stop using Vista:yepp:

ah, does the OS cause flaky ram?
02-16-2008, 02:28 PM
Praz

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrcape

Hey guys any screen caps or template of the new beta bios voltage section?

I'm itching to see what the "VTT Voltage for 45nm" change is ? Also, how low does PLL go in the new one, less than 1.55v?

Same as the 01/09 BIOS.
02-16-2008, 02:47 PM
mrcape

Quote:

Originally Posted by Praz

Same as the 01/09 BIOS.

Huh, so was it just the wacky text they fixed?
02-16-2008, 03:12 PM
ether.real

Quote:

Originally Posted by nzbleach

very very common with D9GMH memory. I've been through this 3 times on 3 different setups.

Is this Vista only? Or does this happen on XP too? If so, does this mean that the RAM testing suites we have are all now incapable of proper testing?
02-16-2008, 03:41 PM
fireice2

@ether

I not sure myself, but I know its really a flaky RAM that's causing all those. I RMAed my TX 1066 before, and lucky me they replaced it with a brand new revision. hehehe
02-16-2008, 03:57 PM
ether.real

Looks like I will be giving Crucial a call.
02-16-2008, 04:23 PM
emoners

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrcape

Huh, so was it just the wacky text they fixed?

yup...as far as i've noticed...
02-16-2008, 04:28 PM
mrcape

Quote:

Originally Posted by emoners

yup...as far as i've noticed...

Thanks Praz and emoners.

I think I'll stay put with 01/09 since it's working well for me, but please let us know if you see a difference down the road.
02-16-2008, 04:37 PM
g0dM@n

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrcape

No idea, I use these -

http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/mimoch.html

Did you try to tighten everything yet?

I just got the chance to take it all apart right now. I took the entire mobo cooling off and cleaned it all with ArctiClean. My question now is... should I just use the stock cooling and toss the transpiper, or should I leave my system apart and order aftermarket cooling.

I don't do extreme cooling, just watercooling... I like a great OC, but I don't go ape s***, so still trying to figure out what to do...

Any pointers? :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Praz

The Type 2 is the one you need. The thermal tape can't be used as shipped. The SMD caps sit higher then the PWM slave chips. The thermal tape needs to be trimmed so that it doesn't cover the caps. Then the tape will also act as a spacer so that the heatsink clears the caps.

Type 2 HR-09U (I don't think I need the "S" version as I'm on water and don't have an obstacle), okay... but again my question is do I really need it? Also, how do you know what "Type" to choose anyway off the HR-09? I'm remounting the stock cooling for the transpiper version, but I can't use the transpiper out of my case... check this for those that don't know what's up with my system.
Not looking to spend a whole lot, but I'll do what I gotta do. I'm replacing me e6400 with the e8400 sitting on my desk.

Any advice will be taken with great appreciation. :) Thx in advance. I just want the best possible solution for what I do (nothing CRAZY)... just don't wanna spend TOO much.
02-16-2008, 08:25 PM
mad_skills

Quote:

Originally Posted by ether.real

Is this Vista only? Or does this happen on XP too? If so, does this mean that the RAM testing suites we have are all now incapable of proper testing?

I don't think it's an XP issue. I've had no problem with both my GMH ram's, Dominators and TeamX. I will get some GKX Tracers soon so i'll see how this mobo does GKX ram under XP..
02-17-2008, 02:45 AM
karateo

guys, i believe vista are more sensitive to unstable ram because of superfetch. they try to use all the available memory, so any errors can easily apper.

with XP you have to open lots of apps/games to consume a large amount or ram
02-17-2008, 03:01 AM
MikeMK

Quote:

Originally Posted by g0dM@n

I just got the chance to take it all apart right now. I took the entire mobo cooling off and cleaned it all with ArctiClean. My question now is... should I just use the stock cooling and toss the transpiper, or should I leave my system apart and order aftermarket cooling.

Well, Ive never bothered with the transpiper - looks like more trouble that its worth. I pulled all the stock cooling off, applied MX2 then tightened it all up again, and my temps are really pretty good for stock cooling. Coming from 680i its a whole different game! I do have a vantec stealth 80mm fan over the NB just to get a little bit of airflow around it when im pushing the board that bit higher, but its silent so doesnt bother me! :)
02-17-2008, 03:35 AM
emoners

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeMK

Well, Ive never bothered with the transpiper - looks like more trouble that its worth. I pulled all the stock cooling off, applied MX2 then tightened it all up again, and my temps are really pretty good for stock cooling. Coming from 680i its a whole different game! I do have a vantec stealth 80mm fan over the NB just to get a little bit of airflow around it when im pushing the board that bit higher, but its silent so doesnt bother me! :)

i'm interested to see how you guys attached small fans over the PWM & NB area... i used a zippy & a 40mm fan over the PWM but dunno bout the NB since it's too close to my vidcard

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