I agree.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Piledriver
In Spain 539?
Sapphire R9 290X 4GB GDDR5 Battlefield 4 Limited Edition = 539?
http://www.pccomponentes.com/sapphir...d_edition.html
€539 = $740 :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Handrox
Sapphire Radeon R9 290X Officially Costs ?499.99(euro) ?519.99(euro) For Battlefield 4 Bundle ? Available Tomorrow (euro)
Read more: http://wccftech.com/sapphire-radeon-...#ixzz2ibk7Q15b
First review in Spanish dated from 10-22-13...please use translate...the comment & conclusion aren't good
http://www.hardlimit.com/tarjetas-gr...xcf-76595.html
Its $1399 here. So I would expect it to be around US $700 mark. More than I was expecting as AMD said the price would be sharp.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tha Last Meal
r9 290x $550 :up:
Lab501 Review:
http://lab501.ro/placi-video/amd-rad...idia-gtx-titan
Looking pretty win so far
Newegg has one priced already, it's Asus at the bottom of the page $599.99 Bundled with BF4 coupon and door hanger
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?...cPath=193_1555
$659 AU here for BF4 Version..
figures I have show Vanilla version should be around $620
I think you need to come for a trip over the water :)
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Originally Posted by MaddMuppet
Can't wait to see these with custom coolers!
Excellent price:up:,titan performance:up:,High temperature:shakes:,high consumption:shakes:,high noise:shakes:
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Competition ftw...I wonder what nVidia is going to counter with
pst experiences tell us that wooden screws have been ordered already ;) j/k
they'll attempt a pricing re-structure and possibly a conference or 2 on Maxwell upcoming power.
been thinking of organising a group buy for a while for Aus enthusiasts, it wont affect the local markets anyways, these guys as well as umart run balances sheets of hundreds of millions.Quote:
Originally Posted by mAJORD
The Bottom Line HARDOCP the price is $549 WOW for $100 more I can have 2 TITANS
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You may have read this evaluation and feel like the AMD Radeon R9 290X isn't quite as fast as you expected at 1600p or 1080p. We think there was a lot of hype surrounding this video card, everyone was hoping it will be a "TITAN killer" at those resolutions. It isn't, in terms of performance, but it is in terms of price and value.
It is amazing how powerful the R9 290X is at Ultra HD 4K gaming resolutions when compared to the GeForce GTX TITAN. This is where the R9 290X truly shines. In the case of 4K gaming, the Radeon R9 290X is definitely a "TITAN killer."
If it weren't for the $549 price point that AMD has set, many would call this card disappointing. But AMD did the right thing and priced this card incredibly competitive. The GeForce GTX TITAN still has an MSRP of $999, and the GeForce GTX 780 is at $649 MSRP. The Radeon R9 290X at $549 is delivering TITAN performance at a savings of $450 compared to the TITAN price. The Radeon R9 290X is delivering performance better than the GeForce GTX 780 at a price savings of $100. The bang for the buck value is what makes the R9 290X a big winner.
The Radeon R9 290X is an exceptional value, and allows us to highly recommend the Radeon R9 290X to gamers. It offers phenomenal single-GPU video card performance at a great price.
The R9 290X is absolutely the best performer at Ultra HD 4K for a single GPU video card. And consider this, for just $100 above the price of one GTX TITAN, you can own two Radeon R9 290X video cards and use those in a CrossFire configuration. Yes, we will surely be looking into that.
Well done AMD. Big GPU Kudos.
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Originally Posted by Heinz68
Wow for 100 dollars more you can have 2 TITANS? Where are you finding Titans for 325 each?
he means the equivalent performance of two titans for $100 moreQuote:
Originally Posted by Ace123
Do you remember what was said before Kyle Bennett :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Heinz68
GTX 480
and here looooooooool That's ridiculous :ROTF::rofl:Quote:
The GTX 480 is hot. I know many enthusiasts are not going to be satisfied with a video card that idles at 73C (and even hotter in most SLI setups) and runs 93C under pretty much any kind of load. There have to be long term implications to this and I would just suggest that you buy from a board builder that has a rock solid warranty and a reputation for great customer service if Fermi is for you. These cards are hot and can very much raise the temperature in the room you are using your setup in. Maybe NVIDIA can bundle a coupon for a new ceiling fan?
R9 290X
When the temperature up to 93c with GTX 480 card This was a dangerous and scary and threatening the stability of the card and and andQuote:
Do not be alarmed at the 95c temperatures on the R9 290X. Remember, the video card is designed to run with the GPU that hot. It may be a shock to us, expecting much lower temperatures, but 95c really is OK for the card and GPU.
but now........... R9 290X card with 95c temperatures is ok and cool :eek::D:p::ROTF:
this is really really really ridiculous :shakes:
WTF with the reference cooler ?
Normally, people learns from the mistake they made but it seems AMD don't.
How is it possible on earth that AMD repeat this kind of failure ?
Do they really like to be on top of the charts regarding noise @launch ?
Why present your flagship product with such a flaw ?
Woohooo, R9 290x - Attack on TITAN (if anyone here watch anime :d ). So looking forward to Gigabyte Windforce X3 or MSI lightning variant of this monster GPU
The biggest problem that some editors Say the heat of the card is good and ok and this really ridiculous:shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
AMD just f...ed up with this reference cooler :down:
Incoming ... :D , shipping tracking number trhu UPS already done , 2nd day , Happy !
Some of us here MAY initially buy a refrence.... but I would expect the lot of us to be looking for lightnings and DirecitCU II Tops and things of this nature.
gtx titanic!
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@SKYMTL and hardwarecanucks:
Excellent review! Kudos for being the first (?) site in the English speaking world to preheat the cards for more realistic numbers :up:
My take on the 290X:
+ beats Titan slightly (uber mode)
+ value!!! very impressive, didn't expect prices that low
+ 4 GB
+ insane bandwidth helps with performance scaling when OC
+ good power savings when a frame limiter is combined with the new boost
- doesn't quite beat Titan (silent mode)
- noise and temperatures
- power consumption
- new boost (default setting) suggests performance that is not there under sustained load (same goes for Nvidia's boost 2.0)
The card is excellent value, but it shows that it was pushed quite to the limit to win. 3rd party coolers should definitely help with thermals and acoustics.
I suspected two ways AMD could catch titan early on. Build a monster cards or push efficiency out the window and clocks their cards higher than they should at the cost of efficiency and heat.
It looks like they went for a little bit of both. Looks like they increased utilization at the cost of heat and energy consumption. None the less what AMD was awesome.
This is what the FX 9590 should have been. A new chip to highlight the strengths of the architecture, high clocks that are actually worth it to get near the market leader products and a low price.
That is bring just a little under Titan performance in quiet mode for well under the cost of a gtx 780. For an underdog, that looked like it was way behind at the top end, even if it was with less finesse, its impressive.
However, I don't think anyone should be buying this card in its stock form and should only be buying it from partner cards with a better cooler. You can be excused for running this card at noisy temperatures, if it means lower temperatures and high overclocking room. Or you can be excused from running high temperatures, while being a silent card. But when you combine high temperatures, with high noise, there's a clear engineering flaw. I wouldn't feel comfortable overclocking the card with temps as high as they are. This card is Fermi 2.0 but without the clear absolute performance leadership to show for it.
I think there is a certain irony in the graphic card situation. Basically the ideal AMD are showing are what Nvidia was showing pre this generation while Nvidia is taking the ideals of AMD last generation.
Nvidia is going on and on about efficiency and AMD has put efficiency in the back seat.
I wish AMD product was just a bit more efficient, not so much for for power consumption but to punish Nvidia and put them into a position they couldn't counter AMD so easily.
The 290x is kind of at its limits and any further clocking increases power consumption too much for a commercially available card. This allows Nvidia to just increase the clocks of the gtx ti and basically get performance leadership again.
Why I want Nvidia to get punished is they made too much money this generation from ripping off customers with GK110 in general. Also they were arrogant to clock their cards so low, sell such butchered parts at high prices and kill overclocking by making the voltages of none bios modded cards so low. I kind of wanted Nvidia to be helpess until maxwell so don't screw around with consumers next generation.
Major price gouging going on in my Country
$1399
http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/comp...p?partid=20660
http://www.pbtech.co.nz/index.php?z=...-DVI-D--HDMI--
For watercoolers like me this card is a homerun!
Price to performance KING!
Even with fan noise and heat...its still a no-brainer to get this card if you're in the market.
With the exception of buying on release, Titan owners should be getting buyer's remorse right now.
Awaits what Mantle brings in the coming year..
Sounds good mate. I'll be right over :)Quote:
Originally Posted by mAJORD
That performance is just brutal. 5 % faster than Titan while throttling even in uber mode with that cooler. Custom cooled designs should be quite amazing indeed and I cant wait to see what the vanilla 290 does. Would be great if it can somewhat match the 780 which seems a reasonable approximation.
Not really:Quote:
Originally Posted by LightSpeed
http://ht4u.net/reviews/2013/amd_rad...ew/index46.php
https://www.computerbase.de/artikel/...1080-4xaa16xaf
Clocks: https://www.computerbase.de/artikel/...0x-im-test/12/
It performs the same as Titan if Titan is also allowed a higher temp and power target
^^ I see what you did there ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Krizby87
Attack on TITAN
I was comparing at stock clocks/power target from the TPU review at 2560x1600 resolution. I can imagine Titan being able to match it if allowed higher temp/power targets. In any case, custom coolers will only increase 290x performance since TPU showed the cards wasdefinitely throttling.Quote:
Originally Posted by boxleitnerb
In any case, it is not the Titan killer that was expected by some. Nvidia has more headroom for a counter than AMD does if we take power, temps and noise into account and the fact that the 780 Ti will also come with custom coolers ;)
It already killed titan and 780 with it's price. But if you left price outside the equation with it's power noise and performance it is not a titan killer.Quote:
Originally Posted by boxleitnerb
Sent from my SM-N9000Q using Tapatalk
Maybe these things are over hyped, huge factory overclock has them too close to the edge and the margin is where NVidia takes the crown back (based on some overclocking results already posted today). Unless water/volts helps these then they wont take the enthusiasts crown.
:(
(Is this thread going to be closed now or will we have to post in both threads?)
Great performance, very impressive, especially at 4K! But it comes at high cost, 95c is insane, power consumption through the roof, noisy, they desperately need a new cooler design. Poor-ish overclocks. Can't say I'm impressed at all with the PowerTune algorithms either. I guess AMD is no longer about power efficiency. Great pricing, otherwise reviews would have been more critical, but it really will force nVidia to take their prices down.
amd left power efficiency for catching titan's performance, amd left better cooler for making a huge price impact. for enthusiasts this card has some downs but for the market amd did exactly what they need to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim
i never expected amd to catch titan's performance on this generation but catching titan performance with price of 550 if you said me this last week i would say it is impossible.
I meant from a purely technical point of view.Quote:
Originally Posted by kromosto
yes i got that. what i was trying to say was yes you are right but tpov is good or bad amd killed them with price... but when i look what i wrote there i see i didn't express myself clearly :DQuote:
Originally Posted by boxleitnerb
I looked at wizards over-volting review at techpowerup and i don't think you even want to mess with the volts of 290x even with water. When they overclocked it to 1.26 volts, they gained another 65mhz in speed over stock volts for the overclock, but power consumption went up to 250Watts on top of what it was consuming. That's 550watts from a single card GPU. Thats the worst voltage scaling I have ever seen from a card. The system went from 400 watts to 650watts, which is insane.Quote:
Originally Posted by boxleitnerb
I think aftermarket cards are going to be more about stabilizing a higher boost( so 5 % jump I am guessing). Than adding an actual overclock to the card with high voltage.
But seriously
http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/3073/swhq.jpg
Someone going to start a fire with this type of heat and wattage while overclocking and overvolting.
How will the VRM's be able to cope with overclocking I wonder.
it is clear that amd pushed card to its limit for catching titan so even a moderate overclocking is just a dream but if this pushing to limits won't cause more hardware problems then expected i will call this a success for amd. bad for overclockers but success for amd.Quote:
Originally Posted by tajoh111
With a good watercooling , the power consumption could perhaps decrease a little bit .Quote:
Originally Posted by tajoh111
Indeed gtx 480 had a consumption which was decreasing with temperature of the gpu .
I am curious to read a test under water .
It might decrease a bit, but 250 watts extra for a 65 mhz overclock wouldn't be worth it. Even if power consumption did decrease a bit, the overclock isn't worth the increase in power consumption and general danger of destroying the card.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanjean15
I think even under water, you risk breaking the card with that much power running through the card.
I think under water you could reach 1100Mhz @ 50c or so. All with lower power consumption than with this :banana::banana::banana::banana:ty air cooler.
They should have come up with 2 versions:
- 599 with good cooler
- 529 naked card.
^^ the thing is that the card should not draw as much if its watercooled properly
I wouldn't be surprised if that were the case. Tahiti scaled very well with good cooling and some core voltage.Quote:
Originally Posted by aussie-revhead
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Originally Posted by MaddMuppet
540euro here for 290xQuote:
Originally Posted by LightSpeed
4k resolution 20% better than Titan according to hardocp.Quote:
Originally Posted by kromosto
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I think few people if any were talking about Titan killer before the real reviews. But lets face it, now I can convincingly say it is Titan killer, simple based on performance price ratio and there is still some room left for aftermarket cooler.Quote:
Originally Posted by boxleitnerb
If Titan is not dead now GTX 780 Ti is going to give the final punch, but all my credits go to R9 290X because without it we would never get to see the GTX 780 Ti at least not at reasonable price.
So the bottom line is everybody but Nvidia should be very happy today, there are more positives than negatives.
I think, its more of a Nvidia, profit margin destroyer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heinz68
However as a card, Titan seems superior from an architectural standpoint. Generally no weak points besides price which is what AMD is attacking fiercely.
Like the 7970 initially, Nvidia made it easy for Titan to be out priced. However Titan's super rip off pricing made it really really easy. If Nvidia had not been so ridiculous in the first place, 290x reviews at the price it currently set at wouldn't seem so positive.
If Titan was priced at 650(maybe with 3gb of memory) and the gtx 780 was 499 dollars, it would have been such a vulnerable spot for AMD to attack . Titan should have been the gtx 780 in the first place while the gtx 780 should have been the 770.
From engineering standpoint this card is sort of a win, for 20% more die area they get 38% more shaders, larger bus,and a 100% more ROPs
I'm sorry can't agree with you about the superior architecture, it is just much bigger that's all.Quote:
Originally Posted by tajoh111
Die Size:
R9-290X = 424mm2
GTX Titan = 551mm2
I love how the performance preview from a few days (bioshock 4K) was one of the worst test for the 290x :D
R9-290x is actually 438mm2. BTWQuote:
Originally Posted by Heinz68
But I am not talking simply about transistor density, which r9 is really impressive. I am taking both cards as a whole. But I wonder if this is the source of all hawaii's woes? If they didn't make this so high, would the current problems be alleviated?
If priced the same, taking into account desirable power consumption, heat, noise, overclocking headroom and performance. Gk110 takes it and literally across the board.
From a characteristic standpoint, what product do you believe has more finesse?
The most impressive thing about Hawaii is pricing, but remove that and it just is a brute force product being pushed to its limits to only catch titan.
This is essentially a smaller Fermi, but without that crazy compute specialization(Fermi quadro 6000 still competes with w9000 7970). But instead of beating the competition, it only matches it.
Its impressive in some ways but is marred by inefficiency which in the super computing world and workstation world is more important than performance per die size.
If it wasn't for its ridiculous price, titan is pretty much perfect. We also have to remember GK110 wasn't designed to be a gaming chip first, it was designed to be a workstation or supercomputing product first.
Hawaii is 438mm2, is newer (better utilization of the process), has no dedicated DP units and - contrary to Titan - has no deactivated units.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heinz68
Bad comparison ;)
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Originally Posted by SKYMTL
Hey SKYMTL, I'm not wanting to start an argument or anything so please don't take it like that. Why did you say I was spreading baseless rumours? Your review shows pretty much what I've been saying since the beginning of the month :shrug: Again, I'm not looking for a fight, you're one of my favourite reviewers and I'm just wondering why my message was met with such animosity.Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] Oj101
He simply didn't want bulldozer2 :PQuote:
Originally Posted by [XC] Oj101
From the few reviews I read the 290x is only ahead at very high resolution, so my single screen will be just fine with my 780L. I am curious to see how much headroom the 290x gains with water cooling, and then if that is enough to outperform my Lightning at max clocks.
I know it has only just come out but does anyone have any idea when we might see non-ref 290x from the usual manufacturers, but most importantly the Lightning?
:)
But that would imply that I said it would beat anything NVIDIA has to offer for the next two years :D :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Evantaur
Pricing in South Africa is quite good for a change, coming in a fair amount cheaper than the GTX 780. It's the first time in a while that we've avoided pre-release/launch-day price gouging.
Two words -- Water coolingQuote:
Originally Posted by Ace123
It was a generalized observation. I make it in pretty much every thread. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] Oj101
Luckily, this time the rumor ended up being right but the practice of blowing performance out of proportion needs to stop. Look no further than Bulldozer, R9 280X (or "HD 8870" as some called it) and countless other products. It was a friendly word of warning. No more, no less.
Awesome :up: It's nothing personal, I reference you a lot and consider you one of the best sources for reviews around. I was just confused when it appeared you were saying my info was inaccurate as I'm sure you knew what I knew at the same time. My info wasn't a rumour though, thanks to industry contacts and friends I'm privy to a lot of info before most so long as I never give away my sources. I'm sure you understand :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SKYMTL
Definitely bad comparision, completely different price range, you can't be more right.Quote:
Originally Posted by boxleitnerb
So Titan has about 25% bigger die size and the R9-290X at almost half price is faster in gaming. It's a good question if some units are deactivated or they just did not make the perfect cut.
R9-290X is also trading blows with Titan in compute. (This one is also for tajoh111)
I noticed on other forums most people are way more excited about the R9-290X launch than on this forum.
I have a weird question to people in the know.
New powertune sets dynamically clocks based on powerdraw and mainly temperature that a preset max FAN speed can achieve.
So, if one would manually (or via some software) decrease V and still maintain stability, wouldnt that in effect overclock the card ,because of the lowered temps and pdraw ?
My experience is ,pretty much every cpu and gfx card has its default volatage set somewhat more than they really need, and undervolted card would take longer to heat up.
If taht was the case, that would be some weird ass overclockin :P
as an example, my HD6950 with unlocked shaders to 6970 runs on my stock 6950 voltage and even then i still can OC beyond def clocks for 6970 (a little but yea)
EDIT
I know it wouldnt hit higher than MAX BOOST speed, but on average it would run higher clocks
best price/performance value card in 15 years.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Heinz68
What is the indicative pricing in SA?Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] Oj101
But from another perspective, its specs are basically a slightly more than doubled Pitcairn, but power consumption actually goes higher than what it supposes to have, so that's rather disappointing. It seems AMD GCN GPUs are great efficiency performer at low and mainstream level, but getting worse as it scaled upward. The opposite happens with NVidia's Kepler GPU family, GK 106 & 108 are meh, but GK 104 is great, and the upcoming GK 180 is just as good.Quote:
Originally Posted by vario
Well theres that, cooler is also a fail, and probably part of the reason its so hot, thing is i think they pushed it just this little more too far to just eek out the titan, undervolting just a bit with better cooler and i think its gonna be awesome for this amount of die area.I undervolt while overclocking pretty much everything from AMD, but then cooling must be appropriate.Quote:
Originally Posted by spursindonesia
Anyhow, at that price.Its just all round great.They are probably gonna set R290 clocks lower, im very interested how much they will be able to lower V and power consumption with that.
R7,999 to R9,500, depending on the brand. That approximately ties in with our current average pricing of paying R14 to the Dollar (not straight exchange rate, I'm adding local supplier market, retail markup and VAT). Very often we pay R16.50 to R20 to the Dollar (GTX 780 launch price in SA was about R17 to the Dollar).Quote:
Originally Posted by Swanie
I agree with you. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by vario
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Originally Posted by flopper
no that was the 5870. ;)
I dunno, getting a 4850 before launch day at $150 is my best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
7970ge with bundlesQuote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
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On hardware.fr, that's not the case too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heinz68
People are disappointed with the noise, power consumption and weak OC capabilities.
When you know what a 780 overclocked can do, this reference 290X sounds not really interesting.
The price is good though, hopefully, but nVidia will certainly answer with a price slash.
http://tof.canardpc.com/view/89ff396...e9185977a2.jpg http://tof.canardpc.com/view/a9bbdf9...c883dd7978.jpg
http://www.hardware.fr/articles/910-...formances.html
780 Uber is 780 stock with turbo ON. As you can see, 780 is still very well placed and the cards is way more silent and with good overclocking capabilities.
Only flaw is price but for how long now that Hawaii is out ?
For sure, mine has lasted me from launch until now... I think this is the perfect time to upgrade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
hum, 290 weak?Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
1200mhz+ with ease.
that beats 780 and Titan at more mhz.
The massive power increase from a small overclock and overvolt sounds like it is near thermal runaway. The hotter silicon is, the "better" it conducts electricity, which can cause excess power draw and various other potentially big issues if you go too far. I know the temp was about the same, but there is a breaking point when the voltage gets high enough at the same temp.
It would not surprise me if getting the temperatures down would also bring power draw down quite a bit in that case.
It means nothing you overclocking to 1200mhz if it throttles to 700-800 all the time. That's why the discrepancies between reviews. They all hit 94*C but throttle to different speeds depending on how good "the silicon" is.Quote:
Originally Posted by flopper
This. Can't wait to see numbers on WC...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparky
Where does it reach 1200+ with ease? I haven't seen a single website get to those clocks?Quote:
Originally Posted by flopper
Wizards the only one who overvolted and he stopped short at 1190mhz, while the card was spinning at 100% and consuming somewhere around 550 watts.
To give you another idea how poor this power scaling is, a gtx 780 lightning while being overvolted a similar amount consumed "only" 300 watts, while achieving a base clock of 1180mhz but a likely boosting with in game clock of 1300+.
With ease, would imply that all the website could do it, without drastic and generally non-game ruining attributes with it. 100% fan and 550 watts is experience ruining.
And the fact he didn't even reach 1200 with those extreme settings, generally just makes you a liar.
Drives should bring more performance and we cant forget mantle.
I'm just gonna leave this here...
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/sho...4&postcount=85
The link is from a post comparing the scores from an R290 (non X) with 290X flashed bios vs 7950 Stock CF vs Titan, with same OC level...
Some info from the page 6
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**UPDATE**
Hynix and Elpida are both just as good as each other.
I took my Elpida card which could only do 5700MHz, flashed the Asus BIOS to it, pumped up the voltage and now the Elpida card is matching with 6600MHz.
So there you go, Elpida, Hynix, it don't matter. What matters is voltage control.
Asus BIOS FTW.
By the way this is an R290 I've flashed with R290X BIOS, works a tread, but shaders not unlocked, but can now hit 1220 core and 6600 RAM on the regular R290 as well. At these speeds this also obliverates Titan. Incredible value!
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What we have noticed though, flashing the X BIOS to none X does seem to reduce motherboard compatibility. Using stock BIOS it will boot in any motherboard, using the Asus flashed BIOS it will only boot in Asus motherboard.
Maybe because its an X BIOS and some boards are showing a fault due to shader count not being correct. Soon we will get an Asus none X BIOS, when we do, we shall see if that fixes the in-compatibility issues.
Still its nothing major as you can't go wrong due to the dual BIOS nature of the card.
Facts are you can flash the cards, get voltage control on both X and none X. Things will only improve.
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Stock air cooler.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...&SID=u00000687
this is going to be the real winner,
Keep in mind that Gibbo is the owner and/or works for OcUK. He is barely impartial here.Quote:
Originally Posted by figuretti
I remember him hyping up the Radeon HD6970 and we all know how it ended....
yeah, i know, i think he works there...Quote:
Originally Posted by Picao84
he posted this image in his review of the 290X.. the blurred one's are the 290.. what i don't know if the results are with the 290X bios or the Std bios
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He used the standard BIOS. those results are all done with stock volts on the R290's.Quote:
Originally Posted by figuretti
stock bios, apparently the Asus 290x bios takes the card all the way post 780HOF.
Lol, we are on xsystem m8.. nobody is using stock cooler, its like overclock an Intel CPu with their own stock cooler... with the scaling of overclocking anyway, this card dont need match the overclocked mhz of Titan, like the 7970 before, this card scale really well with clock.. really, really well in term of performance .. like for the 680 vs 7970,,, 50mhz on the 7970, you need 75mhz on the 680 for obtain the same scaling. ( with the 290 it seems it is more 100mhz vs 50mhz ).Quote:
Originally Posted by tajoh111
No overclockers care to know if the cooler is good or not for overclocking, all we want to know is if it is good for overclocking, not the cooler... the core, the gpu, we absolutely dont care if you can reach 1100 or not with this reference cooler, what i want to know, is what you can reach in term of frequencies and performance with H2o, Chilled watter, Phase change, Dice, or LN2... The first records on Quad CFX have been fall the first day.. maybe they scale not so well in dual and tri, who know
Sometimes i ask me if we are still on Xs... Someone is crying loud about overclocking on stock cooler. what next ? This guy is a noob, he cant push 6ghz on an 3960x with the stock Intel cooler ?
^^qft
yep pretty much this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lanek
I think it's mainly you who is not excited. I also think one has to wear real dark green glasses not to be exited if not blind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
Even if nvidia slash the prices, the only reason is R9-290X performance/value, even people wearing light green glasses should be exited because they're going to save some money thanks to AMD.
Now there is no way Nvidia will slash the GTX Titan price by $450, even if they do, it still will not solve the problem, many people now game on higher resolution and that's where the R9-290X is the king.
For me this is no-brainer. I can't buy GTX Titan if it cost ONLY $549 or even less than the R9 290X. The ONLY reason I'm going to upgrade is, my next TV/monitor is going to be 39 to 50 inch 4K ultra HD, I will buy 2 cards. The R9-290X is 10 to 23% faster than GTX Titan at 4K resolution.
Now some people might say why don't you wait for the GTX 780 Ti (who knows when that will come), OK no problem i still do not have the 4K UHD monitor. The problem is, the GTX 780 Ti has to be about 10% faster to be same as the Titan in lower resolutions, than it needs another 10-23% to be as fast as R9-290X at 4K, that's not going to be easy and who knows the NV price for that.
HARDOCP
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Whatever magic AMD is doing at 4K, it is working. We found that the Radeon R9 290X was faster in every game compared to the GeForce GTX TITAN at 3840x2160. It wasn't just a little bit faster either, it was anywhere from 10-23% faster. This is a significant difference. At 4K resolutions, you need every bit of performance you can get to achieve playable performance at high in-game settings on a single video card. The Radeon R9 290X is clearly the card for Ultra HD 4K.
the stock cooler is wildly inappropriate for a 300w card. not sure why they bothered.
the asus directcu version of 290 and 290x will change this situation completely. every review won't end with "BUT..."
Yes since couple of years gpu oc with stock cooler is sonething you shouldnt expect much. Even in cpu it is the deal. Who tried to oc an i920 with stock cooler?
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So 1200 mhz MSI R290x Lightnings !!! @ 600$ man cant wait to see the custom PCB , cooler , 290x's 780ti is trembling already haha.
I would take these results with caution. First, the 23% difference was only observed in one game, the others were about 10%. Second, it is not clear what clocks the cards ran at. It is entirely possible that the Titan was more held back than the 290X due to the Titan having only 80C of temperature to work with - something you can easily change like you can set the uber mode on the 290X btw.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heinz68
If you look at more detailed benchmarks, you will find that both cards perform roughly the same per clock at 4k. Sometimes one is in front, sometimes the other:
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Geforc...est-1093796/5/
Dual 8 pin connectors, big coolers....... VRMS all over the place.... cant wait.
Has anyone worked out vmods for these yet?
I skipped 780 on launch, waited for Lightning, paid through the ass for is then two weeks later these come out and nvidia announces the Ti .... so pissed ...
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dont be pissed, more chances to benchmark.