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spoken like a true worker bee..Quote:
Originally Posted by AbelJemka
the point is nobody is innocent.
and the saying goes " innocent until proven guilty" only applies to US
real world everybody is guilty until proven innocent.
as always its hard to explain ppl who dont do business on large scale
side note
ps so u still think iraq had biochemical weapons ready to bomb the US??
lol..wonder wheres the " innocent until proven guilty " part applies here. :rofl::rofl:
Eh? Thats a very sweeping statementQuote:
and the saying goes " innocent until proven guilty" only applies to US
yeah i was thinking that could be the case, but then the survey would really be, those you hate will earn more than you, or those hated the most earn the most. not jerks earn more. to be done right, each person would need a psychological profile, which would determine that people who are jerks, are probably more aggressive in asking for increases they probably dont deserve. and the same is for the opposite, passive people are scared to ask for more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Farinorco
ok end off topic, i would post more on topic stuff, but honestly this is the same argument every 5 posts and i gave up on page 3. (reminds me of the new bud light commercials where first they show too light, then too heavy, which is exactly whats going on here. some think nvidia went too far, other thing they didnt.)
anyway before this run out of topic and i get a perm ban..
nvidia vs ati ..amd vs intel.. microsoft vs apple.. osama bin laden vs the world..asus vs gigabyte..
all are guilty of self justification of " the way to do business"
heck hitler himself " the way to do business" differs from any sane person.
that's the point of contention really,it would work,it should work,it could work.Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
But since we don't have any nvidia dx11 hardware to verify it on why should we let nvidia hardware enable it down the road when ati has given us hardware to verify,who knows what kinda bugs might be out with nvidia's hardware.It's not like that every game works flawlessly on every hardware even if it's made on a common API or their(ati & nvidia) dx11 implementation is so similar that you can simply assume that there won't be any problems.
Case in point nfs:shift-
now if the game developers are good enough probably they can update the game with a patch but who's to say that similar thing won't happen with DIRT2.Quote:
Need for Speed: Shift
In another TWIMTBP title, we submitted a list of issues that we discovered during the games’ development. These issues include inefficiencies in how the game engine worked with our hardware in addition to real bugs, etc.. We have sent this list to the developer for review. .
And regarding ati's dev relations,contrary to popular perception based upon the TWIMTBP logo at the start of many popular titles,ati do have good game developer relations.Why don't they put up a logo like nvidia does-
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=794&page=2Quote:
We try to make this a pure win-win for the games developers and players, and we do this without throwing marketing money around. This means that you don't usually see many ATI logos at the start of games, because paying for that is just advertising, and GITG is not an advertising campaign.
Instead you see recommendations on our web site, you see frequent driver releases on there too, all of which are tuned to give the smoothest and highest quality playing experience, and you see games developers and publishers walking around with smiles on their faces because we reduce QA problems for them.
ATI's Richard Huddy talks about Get In The Game
That's from 2004,and his recent interview posted few pages before reiterated the same fact, he even mentions that a game developer refused their help saying that nvidia was there before and they would do just fine w/o them.
Godwin's law at its best :ROTF:
Heh , last time I checked the Rights act applies to everyone in the world and your comparison with Iraq makes no scene, obviously there where hidden agendas in it and "they said they had proof " fake or not once you have proof you are guilty xD . Also its out of topic and explain to me whats your issue " Worker bee " Are you some kind of big corporate guy that looks down on decent hard working human being ?Quote:
Originally Posted by cstkl1
The point of the topic is , why should they had to do such things , I understand they used money and time but still , you can at least make it run with all hardware and show that not only you can make it happen and have the resources to it but also you are willing to cooperate with others to make gaming better and for the consumer too . I don't see any loss of profit by making a their speciall AA stardard to everyone , if anything makes consumers happier and increase their profits. About AMD not being 100 % peferct helping out game developers its understandable they arent as powerfull as Nvidia and sometimes im sure its hard for them to approach and or they cant help out.
They should just make it so that hardware companies if they want to help out game developers , they can only to fix bugs and test hardware but they are not permitted to influence the game developer to modify the game so it runs less on the competitors hardware.
NFS: Shift, the game plays fine on ATi hardware. ATi's complaint is rather that it doesn't use all of it's shader power because code has to be very specialized to take full advantage of the shader power because of their complexity. Code just works out-right on the nvidia parts because of the simplicity of the shaders themselves. Why do you think NVidia have done so well against AMD with only a fraction of the shaders?
There is no problem really. AMD could have done exactly the same, but didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by gallag
I was referring to the mention of bugs when running the game on ati HW despite the fact that it's build on a API supported by both vendors and that dirt2 can turn out to be a smilar case.Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
As for simplicity of shaders and the shader power,I can also ask why does AMD does so well against nvidia with half the ROPs and TMUs?
fwiw the compiler takes care of coding for the shaders,the game engine's inefficiencies don't have to be a malicious code where the compiler goes haywire it can be related to other hardware components or simply not using a faster method/optimisation on a given hardware .
shenanigans!!!
Gamervivek, +2. Who knows how nv's DX11 hardware will work. It's software approach might completely flop, contrary to all of DilTech's campaigning on nv's behalf. It might do ok in titles from the makers of Assasin's Creed and Batman though. Or more on point, ATi hardware will be crippled to create the illusion that nv hardware is performing at a higher FPS.
Hello everyone, this is my first post. I have been reading XS for years but this Batman AA story just made me very mad. PC gaming is dying, it's an obvious statement, and now both GPU makers are doing an open war?? how stupid is that, dividing the consumers won't help any company. I am very happy that we have currently two major GPU makers, I am very happy that NVIDIA is very innovative with PhysX, Cuda, GPGPU and so on, but I really hate the way they do business sometimes.
Stephane Charpentier (Ex Matbe.com, the chap doing the monster PSU round up a few years ago, 108) wrote in French, quoting
"Sauf que la vérité serait que Nvidia a aidé les développeurs à implémenter l'anti-aliaisng dans le jeu en utilisant des fonctions basiques de DirectX et qu'en échange de ce coup de main, la firme américaine aurait demandé à ce que l'anti-aliasing reste une exclusivité des GeForce dans Batman, bien que ce soit entièrement fonctionnel pour les Radeon. Il s'agirait donc bien d'une limitation intentionnelle."
http://www.pcworld.fr/reactions/ati-...50021/#comment
Which would translate into: "except that the truth would be that NVIDIA helped the devs to implement AA in Batman:AA by using basic Direct X functions, and as an exchange for this help, the American company would have asked that AA remains a Geforce exclusivity in Batman, even though it is perfectly working for the Radeons. Thus it would be an intentional limitation."
Then you add the fact that they disabled PhysX for the owners of a Radeon+ Geforce for PhysX and then you have some bad business reputations. i am amzed that people are actually trying to justify such a condemnable behavior. they did wrong, they got caught, end of the story. AA is usable via CCC for ATI and since the cards are powerful enough, it's not a problem at all. The only problem is for reviewers during a bench, they should bench the cards without AA. For the rest, it's not such a big deal, the game is great, even on Radeons without PhysX. let's chill, let's play, this is not the first time this happened, nor the last time.
Just my 2 cents.
http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/15793/1/
Pretty much sums up my sentiments.
Did you know people with ATi cards (only) are running Batman:AA with MSAA & Physx?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim
This is where we keep bringing up ATI needs to work closer with the developers to insure their hardware will be utilized to the fullest extent to ensure their customer satisfaction. Whether its a lazy developer or one line of code this is the point where somebody at ATI needs to do what needs to be done to ensure they support the developers in the same way with the same aggressiveness as Nvidia for their customers sake.Quote:
Originally Posted by flippin_waffles
Nvidia seems to be working very aggressively with the developers to make sure their hardware is utilized which is a valued added service to its customers. Someone purchasing nvidia hardware has some sense of support when buying a piece of nvidia hardware because nvidia obviously reinvests a significant amount of money into the very market that uses their hardware via developer support to make sure their hardware is utilized optimally.
Complaining isn't the solution, the solution is going to come from ATI collaborating with the developer on a resolution, not writing in a blog.
The problem is AA work with ATI card on Batman.. at the moment you fired the code who detect ATI card, its easy you just need to remove this from the ini.. well it was work in demo, no more in release ( thanks to the Securerom)... there's nothing to do with " working with developer "
They should not of let the game run at all on ATI hardware seeing as they had no time to test the game on ATI cards.
Ummm when the alleged "next gen" consoles first came out I remember frame rate issues with Madden. 360 was 60 fps and ps3 was 30 fps. EA indicated something about not getting the dev kit for ps3 in time or something to that degree...cant remember exactly what it was but thats the reason they indicated the ps3 version only ran at 30 fps. Which made EA look lazy since at the same time Infinity Ward dropped COD4 which ran 60fps on both consoles. For a lil while atleast the friends I had who were more sports video gamers and playstation fans switched over to the 360. That and the fact the playstation 3 library was thin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
Now its not so much the case. Both the ps3 and 360 versions of Madden run at 60 fps. Well cap at 60 fps. The latest games for both consoles really dont have an advantage to their competition except 360 games seem to deal with lighting, and shadows better, and have less jaggies then the ps3 versions. But in some cases the differences are minimal. Like take for example Street Fighter IV. Gametrailers did a ps3 / 360 comparison of the game and u can notice the difference but they arent deal breakers.
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/ps...-fighter/46276
Personally I play shooters more then anything and prefer the 360 controller vs. the ps3 controller in that aspect. The 360 controller feels better suited to shooters then the ps3 controller. Of course kb&m own both controllers when it comes to shooters.
And the point about there being uproar when a dev / publisher who was exclusive for one console but now are multiplatform (Square Enix like u mentioned earlier, Rockstar with GTA IV) I think thats more a fanboy thing then anything. I'd be like Gears of War or Halo suddenly being offered on Playstation 3 or God of War, and UnCharted 2 being avaliable for Xbox 360. U'd hear the fanboys just go at it which makes me laugh cause ummm...most of these fanboys dont own stock, or work for the companies in question, and its not like the games are not being made avaliable to the console they have so why are u upset?
lol.. :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Final8ty
Oh im sorry. I quoted earlier indicating there really isnt a favored platform for certain games but I was assuming the person who posted was refering to performance and what not. If you are talking about DLC and the lot then...Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
Batman as u mentioned for ps3 lets u play as the Joker in the challenge maps vs. 360 that doesnt. Thats just Sony getting the exclusive rights for the Joker playable. Not sure whether its a timed exclusive or not but doesnt look like u will ever be able to play as the Joker on Xbox 360 or pc...well pc if U mod the skin u can lol
GTA IV...Xbox 360 has the exclusive episodic DLC's which sony does not. First one was Lost and Damned. The second upcoming is the Ballad of Gay Tony (yes we all laughed when we first heard the title lol). Rumor is MS paid 50 million to have those episodes exclusive to Xbox 360. I dont ever see them coming to PS3 if MS shelled out that much doe for the episodes.
Those are the two big ones. Well then there is Fallout 3 which seems to have expansion packs for the xbox 360 and PC first then PS3. I think thats more a coding issue with the devs and ps3 hardware so they indicate. I think PS3 is finally getting DLC for Fallout that was avaliable for pc and 360 like 2 mnths ago.
Well would make sense. Joker has green in his outfit. Nvidia's base color is green. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by eric66
They should enable a destruction mechanism that trigger the moment u hit play, with ATI cards. A small portion of TNT would be enough... :D
Much cheaper than working with game developers... ;)
U can have it? U must not be into stealth action games, or the fact that the game only has a single player campaign turned u off cause Batman Arkyum Asylum is a solid game. Its the best Batman game to date IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by cowie
What games do u play mostly? I'm serious. I'm not being a smart a$$.
I do feel your point on capping games at 60 - 62fps. I had a thread about capping with Street Fighter IV. I caught a lil heat because I felt the pc version should not be capped at all. People telling me if the game wasnt capped at 60 it would be too fast. Wha??? Im sorry if u use to games breaking 100fps + 60 is gonna seem slow to u. Thats what happened to me when I played the console version of COD4 vs. the pc version. But anyways u get my point.
wow i hope thats not true. i saw those commercials 20x a day, and never knew it was only DLC for xbox. what a waste of time without throwing up a xbox symbol at the end of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trembledust