ASUS Maximus II Formula - new P45 king?

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01-26-2009, 08:10 AM
Kayso

Quote:

Originally Posted by Celcius

I think my temps at 3.9 are as high as I can go while being safe:

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/7505/occtaix8.th.jpg
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/1...mpsaka7.th.png

What would increasing the vNB and Vtt do, allow me to run with lower vcore or just increase stability?
Also, how high should I raise them?

1. Your chip is cold man !! You can go in Prime and OCCT to 70-74C without worries. In normal 24/7 use, you temps won't go over 60-64C! So go for it.

2. About vNB and vFSB - for my chip they did the job and I'm able now to run it on 450 FSB with 1.16vcore :) But you have to play with GTL's. There is very nice HowTo wrote by Simps few pages behind, and very nice GTL calculator made by Seban. You have to tweak your mobo and you will be able to lower your voltages and push your Dominators to the limit :up:
01-26-2009, 08:31 AM
Celcius

^^Thanks for the encouragement, I'll keep pushing and let you know how it goes :toast:
01-26-2009, 09:54 AM
Celcius

P95 failed after 1hr 15min. Raised the vcore from 1.280 to 1.296 and trying again...
01-26-2009, 10:27 AM
Nevin

Hi everyone , today I tried to set 8x565 but it was impossible for me , so I need some help, if someone can post BIOS settings for 8x565. My CPU is 8600 (Q822A444), MB MIIF and 4GB Corsair Dominator 1:1(1130). I need a point to start pls help.
01-26-2009, 11:18 AM
Fragger

Quote:

Originally Posted by CryptiK

Under full load on a hot day my board's PWM gets to 46*C+, this is using a true with no real direct airflow over PWM sinks except case rear and top fans pullng air past them. Guys with quads, especially watercooled, report PWM temps over 55*C. I'm not sure what constitutes 'too hot' though.

I have used the supplied Asus fan on the PWM beside the back panel which also helps cool the NB thanks to the heat pipe and the psu fan is sucking air over the other set which has a huge heatsink on it so I really dont think it would be worthwhile to watercool them. Asus knew this board would get watercooled, they even collaborated with Swiftech to produce a NB block just for it http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=24408
01-26-2009, 11:58 AM
loonym

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevin

Hi everyone , today I tried to set 8x565 but it was impossible for me , so I need some help, if someone can post BIOS settings for 8x565. My CPU is 8600 (Q822A444), MB MIIF and 4GB Corsair Dominator 1:1(1130). I need a point to start pls help.

Nevin, best place to start is the guide Simps wrote I think. http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=2718
01-26-2009, 04:45 PM
ATLNY

Can I use this Setting for the Q9650

This is my setting for the E8400 (Stable)

I will be getting the Q9650 soon
I would like to know if I can use the same setting or where to modify

Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 9
FSB Frequency : 450
CPU Clock Skew : Normal
North Bridge Clock Skew : Normal
FSB Strap to North Bridge : Auto
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-850 MHz
Dram Clock Skew CH1 A1 : Normal
DRAM Clock Skew CH1 A2 : Normal
Dram Clock Skew CH1 B1 : Normal
Dram Clock Skew CH1 B2 : Normal

DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 5
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 60
Write Recovery Time : 8
Read to Precharge Time : 5

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : Auto
Write to Read Delay (S) : Auto
Write to Read Delay (D) : Auto
Read to Read Delay (S) : Auto
Read to Read Delay (D) : Auto
Write to Write Delay (S) : Auto
Write to Write Delay (D) : Auto

Write to PRE Delay : Auto
Read to PRE Delay : Auto
PRE to PRE Delay : Auto
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : Auto
ALL PRE to REF Delay : Auto

DRAM Static Read Control: disabled
Dram Read Training : disabled
MEM OC Charger : disabled
Ai Clock Twister : Moderate
Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level: 10

Pull-In of CHA PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH5 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH5 Disabled

PCIE Frequency : 100

CPU Voltage : 1.36250v
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.51325v
FSBT : 1.2v
DRAM Voltage : 2.1v
North Bridge Voltage : 1.32525v
South Bridge Voltage 1.5 : 1.5
South Bridge Voltage 1.1 : 1.1

CPU GTL Reference 0 : Auto
CPU GTL Reference 1 : Auto
CPU GTL Reference 2 : Auto
CPU GTL Reference 3 : Auto
North Bridge GTL Reference : AUTO
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
North Bridge DDR Reference : AUTO

Load Line Calabration : Enabled
CPU Sread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

CPU Configuration:

Ratio CMOS Setting: 9
C1E Support: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel Virtualization Tech: Enable
CPU TM Function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Enabled

Load-Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
01-27-2009, 07:06 AM
Celcius

Using only 1.22v-1.24v now and trying to get cpu 24/7 stable @ 3.9ghz...

How do I change the VTT voltage?
01-28-2009, 05:13 AM
seban

Quote:

Originally Posted by Celcius

Using only 1.22v-1.24v now and trying to get cpu 24/7 stable @ 3.9ghz...

How do I change the VTT voltage?

Go with Simp's guide - it covers everything basically and even if it would not get u where u want while proceeding with it you will learn all the voltages and how to adjust them (options too) so u can make your adjustments knowing what r u doing.

And if u insist on quick quide:

1. Test highest or target stable ram clock - with mem test 2.1. (u know ram is not a problem)
2. Test target cpu speed with P95 Small ftt. (u know cpu can make it)
3. Test MOBO at target FSB and CPU and RAM with IBT or linx as starter 10 loops and for finall stability 12h+ with P95 blend.

At point 3 u will see what for is vtt :P and GTLs.

But just use Simps guide it is detailed and really good starter.

GL and HF m8
01-28-2009, 06:48 AM
folklore11

eSATA.....
Anyone getting this to work in Windows XP Pro?

I loaded Marvel SATA driver and that completely wracked the system even causing my DVD drive to disappear. Now it is uninstalled. I do have Marvell controller IDE/esata enabled in BIOS.

I am trying to get the Thermaltake BlacX USB & eSATA docking station to work with eSATA. USB works well. Any help?

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01-28-2009, 06:53 AM
CryptiK

Quote:

Originally Posted by ATLNY

This is my setting for the E8400 (Stable)

I will be getting the Q9650 soon
I would like to know if I can use the same setting or where to modify

Code:

Extreme Tweaker Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO CPU Ratio Control : Manual - Ratio CMOS Setting : 9 FSB Frequency : 450 CPU Clock Skew : Normal North Bridge Clock Skew : Normal FSB Strap to North Bridge : Auto DRAM Frequency: DDR2-850 MHz Dram Clock Skew CH1 A1 : Normal DRAM Clock Skew CH1 A2 : Normal Dram Clock Skew CH1 B1 : Normal Dram Clock Skew CH1 B2 : Normal DRAM Timing Control: Manual CAS# Latency : 5 RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5 RAS# Precharge : 5 RAS# ActivateTime : 15 RAS# to RAS# Delay : 5 Row Refresh Cycle Time : 60 Write Recovery Time : 8 Read to Precharge Time : 5 Read to Write Delay (S/D) : Auto Write to Read Delay (S) : Auto Write to Read Delay (D) : Auto Read to Read Delay (S) : Auto Read to Read Delay (D) : Auto Write to Write Delay (S) : Auto Write to Write Delay (D) : Auto Write to PRE Delay : Auto Read to PRE Delay : Auto PRE to PRE Delay : Auto ALL PRE to ACT Delay : Auto ALL PRE to REF Delay : Auto DRAM Static Read Control: disabled Dram Read Training : disabled MEM OC Charger : disabled Ai Clock Twister : Moderate Transaction Booster : Manual Common Performance Level: 10 Pull-In of CHA PH1 Disabled Pull-In of CHA PH2 Disabled Pull-In of CHA PH3 Disabled Pull-In of CHA PH4 Disabled Pull-In of CHA PH5 Disabled Pull-In of CHB PH1 Disabled Pull-In of CHB PH2 Disabled Pull-In of CHB PH3 Disabled Pull-In of CHB PH4 Disabled Pull-In of CHB PH5 Disabled PCIE Frequency : 100 CPU Voltage : 1.36250v CPU PLL Voltage : 1.51325v FSBT : 1.2v DRAM Voltage : 2.1v North Bridge Voltage : 1.32525v South Bridge Voltage 1.5 : 1.5 South Bridge Voltage 1.1 : 1.1 CPU GTL Reference 0 : Auto CPU GTL Reference 1 : Auto CPU GTL Reference 2 : Auto CPU GTL Reference 3 : Auto North Bridge GTL Reference : AUTO DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO North Bridge DDR Reference : AUTO Load Line Calabration : Enabled CPU Sread Spectrum : Disabled PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled CPU Configuration: Ratio CMOS Setting: 9 C1E Support: Disabled Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled Intel Virtualization Tech: Enable CPU TM Function: Disabled Execute Disable Bit: Enabled Load-Line Calibration: Enabled CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled

You should not start a new cpu OC at 4Ghz. At that point there may be multiple problems and if so getting it stable will be a nightmare. You need to work up from a lower point (preferably stock speed with all stock voltages for board/ram/cpu) and find what settings you need to increase and alter along the way.

Start with the ram 1:1 and PL10, later you can try and find what the best divider is for your ram at the FSB you end up at.
01-28-2009, 07:11 AM
radaja

grnfinger,is this the WC kit you were talking about?it looks like it has the right block. http://www.coolerguys.com/840556020998.html
01-28-2009, 08:27 AM
Celcius

If you change your NB strap do you have to change your GTL Ref's again?
01-28-2009, 09:09 AM
CryptiK

You mean NB GTL Ref? Not sure really, I choose strap/ram speed etc then tune NB GTL. NB GTL is mostly dependent on FSB and ram speed/timings, but strap can theoretically affect it. Also testing NB GTL Ref using games is also important. You can be stress test stable and crash out of games in seconds/minutes if your NB GTL Ref is not correct.
01-28-2009, 09:25 AM
Celcius

Thanks

I'm looking at all the possible values on Simp's guide and noticed that the value for cores 0&2 is always higher than the value for cores 1&3. Is that always going to be true?

Also, VTT = FSB termination voltage right?
01-28-2009, 09:37 AM
Mypejon

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grnfinger

Looks good:up:, the Thermaltake Extreme Spirit vers 1 and II NB/SB cooler works also

hi all.. just want to say thanks to cryptix for give me guide for the washer mode..now nb temp drop from 54c to 34c..so happy coz just litle bit work as easy 123 then the temp all improve..cheer for the good guide..
i m using tunic tx2 with properly using 1 washer each screww and 2 washer for the n/b..
this my result while oc.e86
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24...gztemp40-1.jpg

last time oc e84..

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/faizun/45zz.jpg
01-28-2009, 09:38 AM
CryptiK

Quote:

Originally Posted by Celcius

Thanks

I'm looking at all the possible values on Simp's guide and noticed that the value for cores 0&2 is always higher than the value for cores 1&3. Is that always going to be true?

Also, VTT = FSB termination voltage right?

Yes 0/2 will (usually*) be higher than 1/3 as 0/2 use use the 0.635x multi and 1/3 use the 0.667x multi, and yes, Vtt is FSB termination also denoted as vFSB).

* - you can of course set the GTL Refs to whatever you want, you could use 20/20/20/20 if it worked better for you. Dont limit yourself to a few orthodox choices. try as many combos as you can, just remember/write down what was stable so you don't get lost.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mypejon

hi all.. just want to say thanks to cryptix for give me guide for the washer mode..now nb temp drop from 54c to 34c..so happy coz just litle bit work as easy 123 then the temp all improve..cheer for the good guide..
i m using tunic tx2 with properly using 1 washer each screww and 2 washer for the n/b..
this my result while oc.e86
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24...gztemp40-1.jpg

last time oc e84..

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/faizun/45zz.jpg

No problem glad it worked out for you. Your temps look very good now, much better than 70*C on NB. Congratulations on reaching 4500 MHz :up: Is that stable or just screen shot?
01-28-2009, 10:02 AM
Shiranui Gen-An

Afraid I'll be resigning from the MIIF club, I got my replacement back and put it up on eBay and I have a bid. Wish I could say it was fun while it lasted.
01-28-2009, 02:59 PM
WhiteFireDragon

when doing the GTL's, is "auto" the same thing as 0mV? i want to set it to +40 for core 0/2 and zero for core 1/3, but there's only choices for -5mV and +10mV with nothing in between.
01-28-2009, 04:12 PM
Grnfinger

Quote:

Originally Posted by radaja

grnfinger,is this the WC kit you were talking about?it looks like it has the right block. http://www.coolerguys.com/840556020998.html

Yes sir thats the one, its a great all in one kit for first timers, and lots of room for upgrades, but really the only upgrade for that kit will be bigger better rad later on
01-28-2009, 05:57 PM
radaja

grnfinger,thanks,there is the same kit but the plus version the only difference is the gpu block added for 100 extra,i think i might get that one.
01-28-2009, 08:38 PM
CryptiK

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shiranui Gen-An

Afraid I'll be resigning from the MIIF club, I got my replacement back and put it up on eBay and I have a bid. Wish I could say it was fun while it lasted.

Good luck with the sale. Hope you have better experiences with other boards.

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhiteFireDragon

when doing the GTL's, is "auto" the same thing as 0mV? i want to set it to +40 for core 0/2 and zero for core 1/3, but there's only choices for -5mV and +10mV with nothing in between.

Yes 'auto' is the same as '0mv'
01-29-2009, 06:21 AM
Shiranui Gen-An

Quote:

Originally Posted by CryptiK

Good luck with the sale. Hope you have better experiences with other boards.

I'm having a lot of fun with my Gigabyte UD3P, and I may get a DFI UT P45 at some point. Of course now that I'm getting rid of my MIIF, I'm sure Asus will release some super BIOS update that fixes all the problems and turns it into a monster memory overclocker :p:
01-29-2009, 06:38 AM
radaja

it doubt it.if they havent done it by now,i fear they may never get around to it.im sure theyre working on the latest stuff now.but hope is always a good thing.its what keeps us moving forward in life.
01-29-2009, 09:19 AM
Furiøùs

After alot of tweaking, This board just refuses 500FSB. I had 490 stable for an hour than it did the same crash as 500FSB, so 485x8.5 is AWESOME.

I used the NB GTL at +30 thanks to Simps, which got it solid no problem. then i put my CPU GTL to +20/-20/+20/-20 which got me 4.144Ghz with 1 NOTCH OF VCORE BUMP!!! I went from 1.3875 @ 450x9 (4.05Ghz) to 485x8.5 (4.14Ghz) with 1.39175!

Amazing. but i tried all GTL differences and 500FSB is a no go, 490 is possible but meh. This is fast.

My memory is slacking now though, currently using 400Mhz strap @ 970 1:1 with the ram, but im getting 1150 ram and i can use the 333 strap and set it to 1177.

Cant wait. :)

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