AMD Radeon HD 6870 and HD 6850 confirmed to be launched on 22.10.2010

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Originally Posted by phantomferrari

why why must they still use those massive dvi ports on the back?!?! cant they just make it hdmi/displayport and throw in a dvi hdmi/displayport adapter?

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Because DVI is still the standard, and it costs a lot more to ship an adapter with each box

Hey BeepBeep2... I honestly appreciate all the number crunching you did earlier. :yepp:

But if these #'s that cold2010 posted are accurate (and personally, they sound about right from all the rumors I've seen).
I'd still go with the 6870 over the 5850 as long as the prices are close (<$250)...

All these pages of uproar over the numbering scheme seems like minutia to me... :shakes:
If Joe Public is stupid enough to pay and extra $200 for a Pre-Built with a 6870 compared to a 5850 then it's his own fault for not researching what he's buying, and quite honestly, he probably wouldn't notice the difference anyway...
If theres any ripoff blame to be placed in that case it would lye on the shoulders of the Pre-Build manufacturers and not AMD (IMHO)...

If I was already running a 58xx series card I seriously doubt the upgrade would be worth it.
But coming from a 4870, I would (and will) choose the 6870 over the 5850.
If for no other reason than the improved tesselation, lower power draw and the potential for driver/code tweaks to make the 68xx's perform even better...

We should all know next Friday, and if the price of the 5850 drops to ~$175 I may have to seriously reconsider my options...
Right now though, if the 6870 comes in under $250 it seems like the card of choice for me though... ;)

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Originally Posted by cold2010

NEW PUPPY XFX HD 6870 AND XFX HD 6850

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/6179/74208725.jpg

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134GB/s :O .. not bad ...

If that above pic is accurate, then the 6850 has 1120 SP's and the 6870 has 1280 - which to me seems plausible. I think it's also likely that the shaders going from 5 way to 4 way is a good idea, seeing as since the 2900 came out all those years ago, even though on paper, the shader clusters have an impressive throughput, the problem is actually making all of them busy. They overcomplicated things just a little too much, wasted die space in the process, and hit a practical performance wall.

Of course, right now, EVERYTHING is speculation, as there has been no kind of official release from AMD or board partners to state the actual specs, so everything has to be taken with a fairly sizeable pinch of salt.

I was looking into replacing my HD4850 with a 5770 but i'll wait til christmas, see how everything pans out.

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Originally Posted by phantomferrari

why why must they still use those massive dvi ports on the back?!?! cant they just make it hdmi/displayport and throw in a dvi hdmi/displayport adapter?

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lol. most used monitors are just using DVI ... this is why .. when DP and HDMI will get the majoritiy of connectors they will only use it .....

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Originally Posted by Kai Robinson

If that above pic is accurate, then the 6850 has 1120 SP's and the 6870 has 1280 - which to me seems plausible. I think it's also likely that the shaders going from 5 way to 4 way is a good idea, seeing as since the 2900 came out all those years ago, even though on paper, the shader clusters have an impressive throughput, the problem is actually making all of them busy. They overcomplicated things just a little too much, wasted die space in the process, and hit a practical performance wall.

Of course, right now, EVERYTHING is speculation, as there has been no kind of official release from AMD or board partners to state the actual specs, so everything has to be taken with a fairly sizeable pinch of salt.

I was looking into replacing my HD4850 with a 5770 but i'll wait til christmas, see how everything pans out.

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Actuellement tout est spéculation, je pense qu' AMD pourrait en garder sous le coude au cas ou (personnellement vu la domination niveau DX11 c' est ce que je ferais, juste au cas ou Nvidia pourrait répondre, comme a l' époque des X1900 ) ......... ... sorry for the french word

sorry for double post.. forget XS don't cut 2 post in follow in 1

I dunno if this question has been answered, but can anyone confirm that there's going to be embedded lucid hydra chips on the 6000 series? An article on overclock3d has hinted the possibility and i was just wondering if anyone knowns anything about it. SOURCE

Hybrid Lucida have nothing to do with GPU's directly, they are on the motherboards and use their own drivers.. i don't see why they will going on ATI GPU's.

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Originally Posted by sleeper52

I dunno if this question has been answered, but can anyone confirm that there's going to be embedded lucid hydra chips on the 6000 series? An article on overclock3d has hinted the possibility and i was just wondering if anyone knowns anything about it. SOURCE

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maybe it was this
http://www.geeks3d.com/20101012/rade...hydra-chipset/

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Originally Posted by Lanek

Hybrid Lucida have nothing to do with GPU's directly, they are on the motherboards and use their own drivers.. i don't see why they will going on ATI GPU's.

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Well the rumor is they are going to be embedded on the gpus (from the source) which is why i asked. If so, hydra would no longer be dependent on the motherboard since it is the gpus themselves that have the chip.

I highly doubt that Bart will be a 1280 SPs chip after knowing that the diesize is just around 230 mm^2, how many SPs can be inserted into a 390 mm^2 Cayman if 230 mm^2 Bart has 1280 of them ??? Well, perhaps Cayman is bloated by GPGPU features (more cache, better DP support, perhaps even matching nVidia's ECC support ?), so even with the same ROP number, it will only add around 50% more stream processor compared to Bart.

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Originally Posted by sleeper52

Well the rumor is they are going to be embedded on the gpus (from the source) which is why i asked. If so, hydra would no longer be dependent on the motherboard since it is the gpus themselves that have the chip.

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Possible they could be on the PCB of dual GPU cards to replace PLX controllers, but thats about it.

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Originally Posted by STEvil

Possible they could be on the PCB of dual GPU cards to replace PLX controllers, but thats about it.

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and that would improve crossfire scaling right ???

Not really, it would be a suicide to put it there now.

It still needs profiles and they are far behind what NV or ATI has to offer now in their drivers. They also lag behind badly, when a new game gets released. And it doesn't support Win XP or DX11.

Lanek - i had to put all of that into google translate to figure out what you just said :p:

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Originally Posted by Kai Robinson

Lanek - i had to put all of that into google translate to figure out what you just said :p:

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ohh so you dont speak french???

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Originally Posted by Baron_Davis

dude you must seriously be totally socially inept.

NORMAL PPL DONT BUY OR UPGRADE VIDEOCARDS, THEY PURCHASE PC'S FROM BESTBUY/FUTURESHOP/THE SOURCE/etc.

When they see a PC with a 6870 for $1399 and one with a 5870 for $1499, they will think "GEE I GET BETTER PERF FOR LESS COOL!"

This is the same BS that Nvidia tried to pull a million times in the past.

It has nothing to do with OH DONT WORRY BRO ITS ALL ABOUT THE PRICE/PERF RATIO!!!!! It has to do with DECEIT, I REPEAT, DECEIT. It's a marketing tactic designed to fool ppl into thinking something is better than it is. Again, it's:

MARKETING BS MEANT TO DECEIVE THE GENERAL POPULATION

Maybe you'd understand how normal ppl that you're SUPPOSED to interact with on a daily basis approached computer related purchase if you left your cave.



Another thing you should get into your thick skull is that ATI and Nvidia DO NOT MAKE THEIR MONEY OFF NERDS LIKE US. THEY MAKE IT OFF MAINSTREAM COMPONENTS SOLD IN MAINSTREAM STORES OR ON MAINSTREAM SITES LIKE DELL. We are the 1% in this market, so stop making assumptions based on the hardcore segment...WE ARE THE MINORITY.

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Bro.. get a new tin foil hat.. u madz.

Er.. have you ever hung out in the computer isle @ best buy and seen the aptitude of the morons that come in and buy computers for their kids, or themselves..?

You give toooo much credit to those whom these mid stream cards are targeted too. A consumer can consider many things when purchasing.. the simple color, or sticker on the box might influence some, More so than a model number. I don't see you defending all these other preambles..

So stop being a pseudo-benevolent douche... if it does happen (confusion), it is not going to be on a mass scale. As the people who this is geared for, are still on 8800 GT's, etc. Many gamer's this Holiday buying season will want a DX Win 7 complaint and AMD is going to make sure people know what Win 7 offers... and that DX is a standard.

Secondly, is that these card themselves are going to be short lived.


Lastly, we don't even know the specs, so heavy speculating, on anything other than architecture use, is an exorcise in gullibility.

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Originally Posted by BeepBeep2

First of all, what is your source as for the 5850 being EOL?


Lastly, I said that the GTX460 was a better buy than the HD5850 at the moment, due to it being $50 cheaper and having much better tesselation performance. I did not stress this as something important, nor was it ever my over all point.

Troll :up:

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ur sad.. I countered that nascent logic^^, with a much more relevant question of.. "What if the 5850 was $40 cheaper, but was called a 6870..?"

You still haven't replied, & are going through extreme lengths, to avoid answering the repeated question..!

I do - but not this early in the morning - i'm English, remember! :P

Anyway - for the benefit of everyone here, i thought i'd take the speculative data about the 68x0 series cards, and compare and contrast with the 57x0 and 58x0 series, in the form of a set of graphs - Enjoy :)

http://kai.robinson.free.fr/dropbox/...cks/R6kspc.jpg

http://kai.robinson.free.fr/dropbox/...ks/R6kpfrc.jpg

http://kai.robinson.free.fr/dropbox/...ks/R6ktfrc.jpg

http://kai.robinson.free.fr/dropbox/...cks/R6kmbc.jpg

Note again that these are in no way DEFINITIVE values - they're SPECULATIVE based on the information provided here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compari...6xxx.29_series

To my eyes, they make sense, anyway...

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Originally Posted by Xoulz

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Bro.. get a new tin foil hat.. u madz

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LOL!!!! this reminds me of the episode from Futurama where there are all these weirdos wearing tin foil.

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Originally Posted by Vardant

It still needs profiles and they are far behind what NV or ATI has to offer now in their drivers. They also lag behind badly, when a new game gets released. And it doesn't support Win XP or DX11.

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I think you need to see this little nice new tool - RadeonPro http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=252301

I know it's not something official from AMD but this guy's work deserves some more attention. Because of this I'm much more willing to make a switch to red side now than ever before.

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Originally Posted by Kai Robinson

I do - but not this early in the morning - i'm English, remember! :P

Anyway - for the benefit of everyone here, i thought i'd take the speculative data about the 68x0 series cards, and compare and contrast with the 57x0 and 58x0 series, in the form of a set of graphs - Enjoy :)

[pics]

Note again that these are in no way DEFINITIVE values - they're SPECULATIVE based on the information provided here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compari...6xxx.29_series

To my eyes, they make sense, anyway...

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Looks promising. I think AMD is doing 6000-series right. They are making the most efficient architecture even more efficient. Throwing out shaders they don't use and adding performance at the weak spots.

If those speculations are true then I think 6870 won't be to far from 5870 performance wise. And somehow I think 6870 will overclock better. ;)

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Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD

I think you need to see this little nice new tool - RadeonPro http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=252301

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That's for AMD cards. I was talking about Hydra.

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Originally Posted by Vardant

:shrug:

That's for AMD cards. I was talking about Hydra.

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I was actually more interested in the ability to scale two cards with different generations together. It would be sweet if i could scale my 5970 with a 6990 for example:shocked::D

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Originally Posted by Kai Robinson

To my eyes, they make sense, anyway...

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Your eyes be damned! You sir should not be allowed to play with crayons.