that 1000 score on heaven is oc no?
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that 1000 score on heaven is oc no?
because of the lack of professionalism displayed whilst posting I'd say, as well as too many people turning forum discussion into personal attacks. I do not think this was related to trolling or thread bashing, but more so the way messages were being conveyed.
thanx ohh i forgot its that's gtx 580 OCQuote:
Originally Posted by -=DVS=-
would u mind OC u'r GTX 480 to the limited ? than compare again ?
580 @ 925/1150/1850
http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/2420/comparezo.jpg
yup 580 @ 925/1150/1850Quote:
Originally Posted by Dimitriman
can 480s even reach that high on air? thats a massive overclock and very nice indeed.
Actually while I am doing some research I can fire up the ol fart and do a bench as well with an OC'ed 5970 to compare results, anyone keen on this? lemme knowQuote:
Originally Posted by Gaul
Yes that would be greatly appreciated.
can you bench heaven extreme tesselation at 850mhz core? thxQuote:
Originally Posted by kuroikenshi
COME ON !
COME ON !
COME ON !
gtx 480 OC / gtx 460 SLI / gtx 470 SLI /5970 OC user, kick this out !
580 @ 925/1150/1850
http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/2420/comparezo.jpg
anyone ???
afterburner aint working well... so I am reinstalling smart doc by asus,
this one is a new card (my 4th 5970).
have run them previously at 940/1175 on air...... so I'll see what I can do with this one
someone back-up :clap:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost...&postcount=118
What?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dimitriman
The price of the 6870 is 240. A card that is fast as the gtx 580 would have to be about 40-45% faster than a 6870, that would be a first in the history where AMD charged a completely linear amount for the higher end card.
Look at the pricing between the 5870 and 5850, 15% difference, $120($259 vs $379) dollar difference.
Considering cayman xt is rumored to have 2gb of new 1.6ghz dddr5 and the chip is larger than cypress, I don't see how AMD is going to charge 350, unless your taking about cayman pro, which I suspect isn't as fast as the gtx 580.
Heck barts xt value would be crappy when compared to cayman if your 350 dollar scenario is true. In otherwords if Cayman xt is as fast as a 5970 at half the price(5970 are just on clearance right now(and probably priced drop to compete with the gtx 580, hence the one brand available and the card limit, but its price was 600-700 dollars for the most part), it going to be a heluva bargain. Compare your scenario to Barts xt which is basically 5% faster than a 5850 and only 20 dollars cheaper.
AMD has no reason to price it so cheap, especially if they really do give it 2gb of ram.
so much for 499
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...CE&PageSize=20
$560 and up? Too high for me. Hopefully it's just a temporary price spike which tends to happen. On the plus side, they're actually available.
edit button - I'm an idiot there's a promo code for every one, 10% off makes it $509, tempting. Must resist for a couple more weeks.
Damn, Golden Tiger is going to be so sad.....Quote:
Originally Posted by bill_d
On a side note, what is possessing people to purchase cards when another release is 1.5 weeks away. The worst case scenario is that your wait will result in the same price, best case scenario a significant price drop.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-590-_-Product
GTX 580 for $580 lol
Yeah, I went for just one at this price... $517 shipped arriving wednesday. I'm holding out hope they'll drop the price once that code expires, and give me a price adjust... pretty weak of them to price-spike due to the code I gotta say though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carbon_Unit
96redformula, it's no worse than I was expecting worst-case for a single card anyway... I originally planned on up to $550 for one, so while it's disappointing it's this high it's only that.
Well since you put it that way, it is a steal. A dollar per model number is the best performance ratio to date. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ajaidev
ok, it was catalyst, I've gone back down to 10.5 and everything is sweet, something was funky with 10.8 and 10.9
so I have clocked the core to 900 for the time being
and memory to 1150... I'll post soon
Its funny to see them in stock at newegg after a few where heckling big about a paper launch early on and all the other doom and gloom it'll never happen attitude. :D
They all have the 10% off offer from newegg as well so price is about inline as long as the discount is around.
I just have to give you a hard time since you stepped up to high end from semi-high end :) .Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
Why bother doing the coupon code, the price with the coupon code is between $504-531.Quote:
Originally Posted by 96redformula
This is typical newegg scalping. On the other hand something tells me, that the quantities are better than charlie suggested.
Mwave Member Pricing
EVGA Cards
$485 + Ship
$515 + Ship
http://www.mwave.com/mwave/deepsearc...0&FilterCatID=
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Originally Posted by 96redformula
:) Hehe. I know.
Mwave has it for $489 shipped with their Mclub (free) thing... $499.99 normally + $4 shipping. So, seems possible newegg will drop/price adjust later... that's my hope and I'm sticking to it at least :rofl:!Quote:
Originally Posted by tajoh111
Yep. There may be limited quantities (remains to be seen) but seeing it available right on launch day means no paper launch.Quote:
Originally Posted by highoctane
Basically. Don't get me wrong I like Newegg, but they like to jack up the prices at times, buyer beware as usual.Quote:
Originally Posted by tajoh111
Me thinks more like walking a grade than a step from that point.Quote:
Originally Posted by 96redformula
Nothing more fun then seeing a ups or fedx box waiting at the door with some fancy new part to play with inside, too bad it's not me getting new parts.
waiting mode ON .......Quote:
Originally Posted by kuroikenshi
You lost me on the sentence quoted above. Did you mean that it was or is a big step up from his current setup?Quote:
Originally Posted by highoctane
with promo code this is ~510$ not too bad ..... new release. Im wondering if you guys want to pick this up now before demand makes the price creep up(or promo code expires). If amd dont have a answer to this anytime soon prices arent going to be going down anytime soon. Going by those charts performance isnt shattering or anything ..... its a appreciable boost over the 480 considering this is about 6months after that card. It doesnt beat the 5970 .... so really amd should be able to match this on a single chip. If they dont thats pretty fail imo.
No I was more or less meaning its not such a big jump from what he already has, like a smooth upward grade than a full big step up, just bad word play on my part. :para:Quote:
Originally Posted by 96redformula
It's a gamble. The 5870's never did drop below their launch price until very recently. Like you said, it highly depends on what AMD responds with, and when.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zloyd
I might need better drivers.. or more OC..Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaul
http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/8169/overclock1.jpg
I'll try with cat 10.9...
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1061446/580pwravg.png
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1061446/5802560rel.png
Cheapest GTX 580 on Newegg: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-542-_-Product $560 "$504 after 10% discount"
Cheapest 5970 on Newegg: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-887-_-Product $500 "$470 after mail-in rebate card "
If you dont mind CF i would pick 5970 but its a better idea to wait for 6950 and 6970. I have this feeling that 6950/6970 may end up costing $500. The difference between GTX 580 and 5970 after mail in rebate and 10% off is $30 which is a good discount at least in my view given 5970's performance and energy efficiency.
Minus 10% off code $560 - 56 = 504.Quote:
Originally Posted by ajaidev
I personally would go with Mwave because of the dirty trick newegg did with the price inflation to neutralize the code. It bothers me to know this probably was planned before they released the 10% code.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
I will give credit where it's due, and i think nVidia deserve one today, it is quite real, hard launch AFAIK. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by highoctane
Whether the stock is abundant & can satisfy early demand, and then the supply is continuous, we'll have to see further down the road. They started it well. :yepp:
opps did not see that editing post thxQuote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
Something tells me if the cayman xt is faster, NV will paper launch a gtx 580 ultra with another 10% higher clock and a non-stock cooler.
I think they'll leave it up to the vendors to push custom cooled solutions with higher clocks but you never know.Quote:
Originally Posted by tajoh111
Not impressed by the GTX 580, they should have called it the GTX 485. I'll wait for the 6990 and NVIDIA's dual card, if they are making one.
Yeah, strikes me as pretty scuzzy... I'm actually very tempted to cancel and go with mWave who says they have it in stock, it would be cheaper too ($484 shipped vs. 517 shipped), just not sure when it would arrive at that point and I'd kick myself if newegg then lowered the price and I could have gotten it even cheaper still...Quote:
Originally Posted by 96redformula
no, GTX580 did far surpass a well clocked 5970 on Tessellation capabilities, it deserves at least the crown on that department.
now for games not using this much tesselation, I can run a couple more tests if you guys want...
catalyst 10.9 core 925 /mem 1155 / volt 1.2
http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/4759/bench2.jpg
That's quite possible, 7800 GTX 512 part deux. Handpicked the best chips, give it a bit more voltage & better cooling (bleeding ears be damned), put 3 GB VRAM while doing it (must trump over 2 GB VRAM), stay under 300 w limit (nVidiaWatt standard), done. nVidia don't give a chit about dual GPU card this round, but keeping the single fastest GPU title is very important for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by tajoh111
Anyone there with a 480 and a 580?
I'd love to know if it's possible to overwrite the BIOS from 480 to 580?!
I doubt you can (99% you can't) as there seems gtx 580 have different pcb
again very bad power consumption :-/
220W is not too bad but I hope AMD will do better :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by FlanK3r
coolers gtx 580 and gtx 480
http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/4937/84289812.jpg
It performs and is priced similarly to a 5970; but if it's between 5970 and 580 it's not even a question - you should ALWAYS go with the single GPU card. So unless AMD drops 5970 prices even more, 580 is the high end card to go right now. More so if you are going to SLI/CF - 580 SLI would eat 5970 CF.
However, we all know that the main competition for this card will be the 6900 series, not 5900.
Googled and found a 2nd review(which was found by some guy named blastingcap at Hardocp forums)
http://translate.google.com/translat...force-gtx-580/
Has more details on the changes to the architecture, maybe they will be able to get a bit more performance with drivers afterall.
Looks very consistent vs GTX480. My test bech is refusing to POST :grr:
my 5970 didn't take long.... nor it did my bench pressing..Quote:
Originally Posted by initialised
:D
Palit Sonic right here with 835 on core!
http://www.caseking.de/shop/catalog/...Ie::15471.html
After reading the Spanish review, I got a better impression than with TPU... Also, I dont think we can rely too much on %.. If we were talking about low FPS, sure.. but talking about FPS in excess of say 80 FPS, 15-20% is really a high difference, like 16+ FPS which is quite good for something which uses the same chip, with little changes.. If GTX480 have been this, the feedback nVIDIA had would be a LOT different!
Uh, what? % is the best thing you can look at, although it depends on the scenario what significance there isQuote:
Originally Posted by Picao84
In a lot of games, going from 80 -> 100 fps isn't going to make a difference, whereas going from 20 -> 25 FPS minimum may be the difference between choppy and playable
Of course, going from 12 -> 15 FPS is still equally unplayable, despite all those being 25% increases
I think I'm definitely going to sell my 480s and buy two 580s. I'm just :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing pissed that Nvidia couldn't deliver these cards on day one :(
How do you think nVidia engineers feel? :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Carfax
http://vga.it168.com/a2010/1108/1123/000001123376.shtml
http://www.ixbt.com/video3/gf110-part1.shtml
http://www.ixbt.com/video3/images/gf110/perf.png
Quote:
But there is a GF110 and minor architectural changes. Initially, the Internet rumors that the GF110 will be doubled the number of texture units, but this is not true - in the chip are exactly the same number (64 TMU). But there is one index of performance associated with the processing of textures, which really doubled. And those readers who have followed the modifications of the Fermi architecture in GF104, probably already guessed, which will be discussed. Like the previous chip, mid-range, GF110 can handle (including bilinear filtering), texture data of all formats up to FP16 at full speed without losing clock cycles.
Recall that the GF100 is not able to this, and the theoretical rate of processing FP16-textures, often used in modern 3D-games, with the first Fermi chip is twice lower than in GF104 and GF110. This architectural improvement can help to increase the rendering performance in many applications, using similar offscreen buffers (eg, HDR-rendering). This modification explains the earlier rumors of 128 TMU in GF110. Apparently, double data rate FP16 someone took over twice the number of texture units.
But that's not all there, and the second architectural difference from GF110 GF100, although somewhat smaller in importance and influence - in the new GPU has been increased efficiency of the algorithm z-cull, why have introduced new formats tiles. This change may help increase performance in some cases, and we will check it in synthetic tests.
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/618...41be13309a.png
from above site
156 euro more than GTX480, rofl. You can get Gigabyte GTX580 for 444, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by emertX
30k vantage on a single chip card :O
I hope nvidia can translate that sorta vantage performance to real world games as well because that would be just MAD, nice to see nvidia finally beat their own 295 in terms of sheer muscle.
The CPU test 2 score is a tad low, I think a GTX 480 stock scores 200+ fps.Quote:
Originally Posted by cowie
Friggin Charlie. He says their was going to be no cards and only certain press was going to get them and the card wasn't going to be on sale this year. With all the sapphire banner ads and AMD banner's on his website, he should not be calling anyone a shill.
When it comes to quantity, I don't think Charlie is close to being correct on this one. He got the specs wrong a bit(128TMU), the quantities wrong,
He's got me in such a pessimistic mood about Nvidia and such a positive outlook on AMD/ATI, I thought nv's goose was cooked this round with not products at all.
His article on 580 was laughable in several respects. For example he said the cards were gonna be 750MHz (turned out to be 770MHz but that's not the problem), and used that as a proof that he was right one year ago that the original targets were 750MHz. How does the fact that an upgraded version of a GPU features higher clocks prove that he was right one year ago?Quote:
Originally Posted by tajoh111
Also it looks like he was wrong about the "extreme paper launch" he expected the 580 was gonna be. He clearly said "this launch doesn't matter to you customers, you won't be able to get hands on a card before January", which doesn't look like the case at all, I can even say that it's better than the 5850/5870 launch in initial availability.
Well it seems people shut their mouths up about having cards this time around. W1zzard claimed not to have one but there's his review.
Ninja release from nvidia, JHH himself said no cards till next year, we say some cayman numbers lots of expectation created around it etc etc this comes out of nowhere and kicks it in the nuts. And now suddenly we hear cayman might be delayed etc etc methinks its suddenly developed cold feet :P
Anyone got a link for the 262.99 driver?
Oddly it's pretty competitive with 810mhz GTX 460 SLI :eek: http://techreport.com/articles.x/19934 Faster on minimum FPS in some cases and maybe 10% slower on average... I'm pleasantly surprised.
Agreed, I just got 59k with 225fps @ Stock settings.Quote:
Originally Posted by japamd
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._4393500_n.jpg
I've seen similar results on other DDR5 cards, basically once you push the memory to hard performance begins to degrade as error checking kicks in.
[H]OCP Review of GTX580Quote:
At $499, the GTX 580 competes strongly with ATI Radeon HD 5870 Eyefinity6 2GB video cards. We considered adding the Radeon HD 5970 into our review, but at the time it was fetching a $660 cost. As of yesterday, we are now finding one HD 5970 for $499.99 so surely we are already seeing the GTX 580 have an impact on the high end video card market. And of course this change in price demands a new comparison review from us.
I don't see the logic in his statement. Wait, let's see, he tests using and AMD Eyefinity6 2GB card which he never really even uses the 6 screen output and the extra 1GB is most likely giving a 1% or 2% better framerate(if at all in some games) and then compares it to the $499.00 GTX580.
Um, hello, why compare a niche E6 5870 when its not needed. I know why, so he can say the GTX580 and E6 5870 are evenly price matched.
He should have used a regular HD5870 which can be had for $300 ~ $320.
And he leaves out the 5970 in which he claims was just recently found for $499.00 but was somehow $660.00($160 MORE) just a week ago or so when he was testing the cards. Sounds like BS to me. :confused:
So basically what he was doing was testing a $320 card to a $499.00 and claiming they were evenly price matched. Sorry Brent, you lose! :down:
They only support this card, you will also need modded inf.Quote:
Originally Posted by initialised
x64 http://us.download.nvidia.com/Window...glish_whql.exe
x86 http://us.download.nvidia.com/Window...glish_whql.exe
The cards got really impressive thermals as well, HC review in metro its as cool as new 6xxx, even with the stock cooler i think this baby is gonna happily take a few volts and clock nice...... aww I so want one.
This card http://i56.tinypic.com/e0n035.gif AMD
thats cute, lolQuote:
Originally Posted by cx-ray
i think many people would agree IF... it came out when 480 was suppose to come out (meaning 10-11 months ago). however i feel that it might not be that impressive once we see AMDs offerings. it really is a shame how long it took to get their end result, things for 2010 could have been so much more if this was out from the beginning.
Ironically, I can tell you that AMD has been sending out emails to reviewers talking about the new HD 5970 price @ ~$499 since last week. I am SURE HardOCP got those emails....plus, Newegg dropped their HD 5970 price mid last week.Quote:
Originally Posted by Your_Boss
Thanks :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by initialised
Oh, so the official MSRP of 5970 is $499 now? That's cool. Still I'd go with the 580 at the same price (I'd go with 580 even 5970 was priced at $450, cos that's how much I like single GPU setups).
haha we'll see. It's definitely not deserving of the 580 moniker. 20% faster =/= next generation. Now it's AMD's turn to take pole position.Quote:
Originally Posted by cx-ray
That's just sad. I expect a banning spree in his comments thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by SKYMTL
If you feel that going from 480 to 580 and gaining only 20% performance isn't enough, how do you feel about going from 5870 to 6870 and losing 10% :DQuote:
Originally Posted by tdream
Yeah, 6970 will be coming, 6870 is meant to be a replacement for 5770, I know, but if you are having problems with naming, means that you worry for stupid people who don't do research and just buy cards according to names; then anyone buying 6870 would be in for a much bigger and worse surprise than one going for the 580...
And apart from those idiots basing purchases on names, naming has no effect on anything whatsoever, anyway.
Unless you have obsessive compulsive disorder and small discrepancies drives you nutz :confused2
Anyways back on topic , GTX580 is for time being the fastest single GPU card you can buy, AMD will need to step up if they want to win that part of market.
And nVidia needs to step up in "single card dual GPU segment" they have nothing.
Not really. It is their choice to not include the HD 5970 on the basis that it is a dual GPU solution. Pricing wise; well, very few cards are that expensive anyways. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by blindbox
:lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by hurrdurr
How real is this price drop anyway on the 5970?Quote:
Originally Posted by SKYMTL
http://computers.pricegrabber.com/vi.../st=query/rd=1
Provantage and mwave have similar pricing too.
All 5970's are 600+, except a single card and brand from newegg. In Canada, the price of all the 5970s are 600+ as well.
This just seems like a move from AMD to try to discredit value from the gtx 580, by giving newegg(and only newegg) a temporary special. If this was a real price drop, wouldn't other retailers be following suit and pricing it at 500 dollars? The fact that AMD highlighted this with a special memo makes this deal suspect.
A lot of those cards u listed from Pricegrabber aren't even in stock...likewise, on Newegg, the out of stock cards don't have a price change so go figure, it might depend on how the company prices/reacts on priceQuote:
Originally Posted by tajoh111
:oscar:Quote:
Originally Posted by hurrdurr
This is a typical price drop in an effort to clear out stocks of an EOL product. Nothing more, nothing less.Quote:
Originally Posted by tajoh111
LOL Charlie YOU ARE NOOB :ROTF:
lol Charlie aka Amd fanboy
I don't know of anybody who has sold their 5870 to buy a 6870, simply because know its not a linear upgrade.... periodQuote:
Originally Posted by hurrdurr
Well that may be taking the argument out of context, it was more in regards to Nvidias refresh deserving the 580 designation over the 480 by offering solid performance gains vs AMD 6870 replacing 5870 with less performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by kuroikenshi
It would also be irrelevant had AMD released 69xx's first so its a pointless argument that won't stand w/in a month's timeQuote:
Originally Posted by highoctane
Any good price-drop on GTX480 yet, or expect in near future?,
Charlie is above the fanboy, he is a propaganda agent on payroll.Quote:
Originally Posted by LinkinParkBoy
Pretty poetical, LOL.
Who cares what happens in a month, six months or twelve months, the original argument stands, 580 is more deserving its name than the 6870. If they would have given cayman the 6850/6870 moniker this argument would be irrelevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by zerazax
So you base your view only on performance right?Quote:
Originally Posted by highoctane
Absolutely not, however I'm not going to continue to argue semantics...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mechanical Man
I really dont think GTX580 deserved, it would been better if also GTX460 would have been 5xx series as it has architechtural differencies compared to 480/470/465 but as it is now, it should not been 5xx.Quote:
Originally Posted by highoctane
AMD on otherhand, yes it would maybe been more clear to have Barts as 67x0 for now, but:
http://i.hardware.fi/storage/picture...on_q1_2011.png
When you look at this roadmap. Is there really space for not pushing it one hundred up?
And yes, Barts has enough architechtural differencies to be called 6xxx.
PS. I see no semantics there. Im just interested in where people base their views.
PSS. Im totally happy with GTX580 performance & price.
The chart pretty much sums it up for naming. Turks and Caicos (they'll probably make one of em 28nm to try out) will replace Juniper, but not for another quarter... those will properly be named 67xx and 66xx
The point is that you're taking it without ANY context. If they had named it 6850/6870 WITHOUT expanding below and above, your point would stand. But they have a 69xx series, and are putting Fusion parts in the 63xx and 62xx numbers, and thus your argument is basically going to be irrelevant once the new naming scheme is remembered.Quote:
Originally Posted by highoctane
No one cared very much that there was a 4890 but no 5890, that there was no 4970 but there was a 5970, that the 4770 was better than the 4830, etc. so it's all selective angst right now
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haha we'll see. It's definitely not deserving of the 580 moniker. 20% faster =/= next generation. Now it's AMD's turn to take pole position.
Lets try not to blow the original argument out of context...Quote:
If you feel that going from 480 to 580 and gaining only 20% performance isn't enough, how do you feel about going from 5870 to 6870 and losing 10%
Why would I want to arguing semantics for product placement and naming, its not worth the effort.
Some one help me out here. Is this correct for most games:
4870>3870X2
5870>4870X2