DFI UT X58-T3EH8 continued - Part 2

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09-22-2009, 11:50 AM
sjakie666

i didn't use a dmm but it was the same psu on the boards.

no cable,no audio module: 12.16v idle 12.096v load 1.28v vvt(idle) 1.68v vdimm(idle)
no cable,with audio module: same

1 cable(near NB), no audio module: 12.16v idle 12.16v load 1.296v vvt(idle) 1.696v vdimm(idle)
1 cable(near NB), with audio module: 12.16v idle 12.16v load 1.296v vvt(idle) 1.696v vdimm(idle)

2 cables, no audio module: 12.224v idle 12.16v load 1.296v vvt(idle) 1.696v vdimm(idle)
2 cables, with audio module: 12.16v idle 12.16v load 1.296v vvt(idle) 1.68v vdimm(idle)

Under load vvt and vdimm will be the same on all option(1.312v vvt, 1.68v vdimm)

this board is the best i've had.(1xrev.A58, 2xrev.A56 and now rev. AB1)

can't use a dmm. maybe someone else could?
09-24-2009, 01:28 AM
Kean

Guys I have a little performance issue with T3eH8.
I run it on Windows XP SP2 (clean installation) with i7 920 and 3x1GB Corsair 1600 CL8.
When try run SuperPI 16M at 4,2GHz (21x200) I get about 4:17-4:20. This is about 15s to slow.
When I run SPI on the same settings with Vista U 64 i get 4:02-4:03.
When Vista is used, ratio can be dropped to 12 (from 21). In XP I have always 21. I think this Turbo or sth similar issue.
Do you know what's going on?
09-24-2009, 12:33 PM
Spacemaster

My review http://hwgurus.com/testovi/matine-ploe/121.html serbian language, wery nice MB :)
09-26-2009, 03:08 AM
Bo_Fox

Quote:

Originally Posted by sjakie666

i didn't use a dmm but it was the same psu on the boards.

no cable,no audio module: 12.16v idle 12.096v load 1.28v vvt(idle) 1.68v vdimm(idle)
no cable,with audio module: same

1 cable(near NB), no audio module: 12.16v idle 12.16v load 1.296v vvt(idle) 1.696v vdimm(idle)
1 cable(near NB), with audio module: 12.16v idle 12.16v load 1.296v vvt(idle) 1.696v vdimm(idle)

2 cables, no audio module: 12.224v idle 12.16v load 1.296v vvt(idle) 1.696v vdimm(idle)
2 cables, with audio module: 12.16v idle 12.16v load 1.296v vvt(idle) 1.68v vdimm(idle)

Under load vvt and vdimm will be the same on all option(1.312v vvt, 1.68v vdimm)

this board is the best i've had.(1xrev.A58, 2xrev.A56 and now rev. AB1)

can't use a dmm. maybe someone else could?

Cool.. mine drops a bit when under load, but my PSU is a bit old now.. I'm sticking to it because of the custom looks, and using a PSU booster for PCI-E.
09-26-2009, 03:11 AM
Bo_Fox

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kean

Guys I have a little performance issue with T3eH8.
I run it on Windows XP SP2 (clean installation) with i7 920 and 3x1GB Corsair 1600 CL8.
When try run SuperPI 16M at 4,2GHz (21x200) I get about 4:17-4:20. This is about 15s to slow.
When I run SPI on the same settings with Vista U 64 i get 4:02-4:03.
When Vista is used, ratio can be dropped to 12 (from 21). In XP I have always 21. I think this Turbo or sth similar issue.
Do you know what's going on?

Use this i7 turbo tool from unclewebb, at the end of this thread: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=225450
Then you can try disabling whatever you can with the program to see if it forces the multi to stay up.

Also, I dont know why it's much slower on XP than on Vista.. perhaps there are some background apps using CPU time?
09-26-2009, 11:16 AM
Kean

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo_Fox

Use this i7 turbo tool from unclewebb, at the end of this thread: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=225450
Then you can try disabling whatever you can with the program to see if it forces the multi to stay up.

Also, I dont know why it's much slower on XP than on Vista.. perhaps there are some background apps using CPU time?

Thx for replay.
It was Large System Cache issue - it was disabled.
Now it's ok - except multi (I check it with this app).
09-30-2009, 03:32 AM
Juiced_IL

i have no succes updating the bios with dok ... i done everything that this manual says http://tw.dficlub.com/tw/modules/new...#forumpost6679 ... and no response ... it's says: CMOMS BACKUP ... OK! and than it just the little thing blinking for endless time ...

i'm on vista 64 so i can use winflash 1.92 ...

so my only sulution is floopy disc?
09-30-2009, 04:01 AM
nickless

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juiced_IL

i have no succes updating the bios with dok ... i done everything that this manual says http://tw.dficlub.com/tw/modules/new...#forumpost6679 ... and no response ... it's says: CMOMS BACKUP ... OK! and than it just the little thing blinking for endless time ...

i'm on vista 64 so i can use winflash 1.92 ...

so my only sulution is floopy disc?

You can make a bootable USB key for DOS also. I use this method http://tw.dficlub.com/tw/modules/new...#forumpost6679 .
I'm on Win7 x64 and I have no problems with flashing in this way.
I don't like flashing in Windows.
09-30-2009, 04:14 AM
Juiced_IL

that's exacly what i done but no response from the bootable usb key :confused:
09-30-2009, 12:25 PM
avercros

Hi.

I need the latest bios but the DFI website don't works very well, when i click on the download button and select the series and product says ERROR in red letters.
http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/2981/asdsadr.png

I am the only with this problem?

Thanks :D

sorry for my bad english:yawn:
09-30-2009, 01:35 PM
nickless

Quote:

Originally Posted by avercros

Hi.

I need the latest bios but the DFI website don't works very well, when i click on the download button and select the series and product says ERROR in red letters.
...
I am the only with this problem?
Thanks :D
sorry for my bad english:yawn:

Yes, the DFI web site often has problems lately, but you can find all T3EH8 bioses here http://i4memory.com/104644-post1.html.
10-01-2009, 04:50 AM
woffen

I have the same problems as well. Had them for a while already.
10-02-2009, 03:07 AM
Juiced_IL

can anyone tell me how i turn "turbo" on ... ?
10-02-2009, 06:48 AM
Razor_Blade

Quick question guys, I just finished a build last night with the board. When I tried to boot, it flashed on for 1/4 of a second and powers off. After that, it isn't responsive. I tested the PSU on another machine just to make sure that it wasn't the problem. Here is the relevant to my build parts:

i7 920 D0
3x2 Ballistix Tracers 12800
GTX 280
1250 W power supply

Any ideas? I am going crazy here! LMK if you need more info.
10-02-2009, 10:17 AM
ecidious

Start from scratch with just the CPU/HS and PSU hooked up to the board on the box. It should at least start up.
10-02-2009, 11:04 AM
Razor_Blade

I should get past C1 even without memory, correct?
10-02-2009, 11:13 AM
cstkl1

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juiced_IL

can anyone tell me how i turn "turbo" on ... ?

enable eist/ppm/turbo.

if ure temps are hitting high and ure throttling
set vr limit max to enable.

cstate 6 which puts ure 1 core at 22.. so u need more vcore for that.
10-02-2009, 11:26 AM
Praz

Quote:

Originally Posted by Razor_Blade

I should get past C1 even without memory, correct?

Doubtful as C1 is normally memory error.
10-02-2009, 12:17 PM
Razor_Blade

Thanks Praz. Any other tips? If the reset CMOS jumper was in the wrong place, would it cause this? I haven't messed with any jumpers, this is straight out of the box.
10-02-2009, 01:35 PM
Praz

The board will not boot if the CMOS jumper is in the "Clear" position.
10-02-2009, 03:06 PM
Razor_Blade

I will check the jumper settings, I bet that is what is doing it. Otherwise, it's the unplug everything and go up from there.
10-04-2009, 07:32 PM
Razor_Blade

Thanks for the tips and hints everyone. It turns out that I have a very pissy PSU. It runs great out of the case, as long as you don't push too hard on the socket area. In the case, it is a no go altogether. I hate PSU's....
10-06-2009, 06:16 PM
avercros

Quote:

Originally Posted by nickless

Yes, the DFI web site often has problems lately, but you can find all T3EH8 bioses here http://i4memory.com/104644-post1.html.

Thanks for the link :up:
10-06-2009, 06:47 PM
Osterman

I would like to know something about bios settings on this motherboard.
As you should know we have CPU VID CONTROL where can be seted the AUTO option or a voltage, then we have also CPU VID SPECIAL ADD LIMIT and CPU VID SPECIAL ADD, the latter is a percent number which, as far as I understand, it add that percent to the CPU VID CONTROL no matter if it is set a voltage or AUTO.

My doubt is I can only add a percentage to the default cpu VID if I have seted CPU VID CONTROL on AUTO? if not, is there a way to get the default cpu vid, so I can set it on bios and then start to add a percentage?

Also and finally, that percentage how is it meassured?
10-07-2009, 07:50 AM
donmarkoni

Quote:

Originally Posted by Osterman

I would like to know something about bios settings on this motherboard.
As you should know we have CPU VID CONTROL where can be seted the AUTO option or a voltage, then we have also CPU VID SPECIAL ADD LIMIT and CPU VID SPECIAL ADD, the latter is a percent number which, as far as I understand, it add that percent to the CPU VID CONTROL no matter if it is set a voltage or AUTO.

My doubt is I can only add a percentage to the default cpu VID if I have seted CPU VID CONTROL on AUTO? if not, is there a way to get the default cpu vid, so I can set it on bios and then start to add a percentage?

Also and finally, that percentage how is it meassured?

You did understood it correctly! But...
There is no way of reading default CPU VID for Core i7. If you set it on auto all MBs should set vCore to 1.1V with Turbo OFF and to 1.25 with Turbo ON, AFAIK.
For example, if you use 200x20, vCore on Auto and Special Add 110%, it will be 1.1V*110%=1.21V. If you use 200x21, vCore on Auto and Special Add 110%, it will be 1.25V*110%=1.375V.
I use AUTO + % ( + EIST Enabled ) to have my CPU working @ 2.4GHz 1.232V idle and @ 4.2GHz 1.424V load, using 20W to 150W according to HWmonitor/CoreTemp.
10-07-2009, 08:25 AM
Osterman

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Good to know, good to know.
Thanks as usual donmarkoni.
Im going to keep this post to remember it.
10-10-2009, 11:01 AM
ChaosMinionX

does this board get updated anymore? Doesn't seem like anything too spectacular happening with it.
10-11-2009, 10:02 AM
Infa

Yeah, i bought this board couse all the hype it has got :) DFI and all, though it has great bios and havent really annoyed me anything, but the acticity here in the thread and no bios updates at all :) i still would like to for example use an older/other bios than this latest för Win 7, so the multiplier dont get all over, but now only restricted to this, no playing can actually be done seriously.

Well well, not to be like that but next board will not be DFI :) not couse its bad or anyt... just didn't bring "that" to my experience.

regards.
10-11-2009, 12:50 PM
Sam_oslo

This tread got quiet for a while, but it shouldn't be taken as a bad sign. Could it indicate that everything is working fine for the owners of this board?.

Early adapters and nerds got their x58 for a long time ago and back then it was a lot of activities here. Can this quiet tread indicate that most of them managed to find a good 24/7 OC that they are happy with without further need for pushing (and rubbing)?.

But it is has been a long time since the last BIOS and I wouldn't mind to see a new one soon, maybe they are too busy with pushing the i5 to latecomers?
10-11-2009, 01:35 PM
kitfit1

^^

I think that with the inbuilt design faults with this mobo, linked with the fact that DFI can't rectify the problems via the bios.
Would explain why most of us that had this mobo, have long since dumped it and moved onto other mobo's that actually work.
10-11-2009, 02:37 PM
Sam_oslo

LO, that could be an explanation too. :rofl:,

I personally never had any problems with "inbuilt design faults". My MB and CPU seams to handle even better OC, but the cooling is my limiting factor. I know some people have moved to Classy in a hope to get a better OC. How much better OC do you got by moving to classy?
10-11-2009, 02:48 PM
kitfit1

http://i34.tinypic.com/wmjngz.jpg

http://i33.tinypic.com/fu1clf.jpg

Should give you a good idea :)
10-11-2009, 03:06 PM
Sam_oslo

That's a good OC, but considering your subzero cooling and i975, anything less would be too shabby for you.

There is no doubt, it is fun and interesting to get a good max OC, but how much more Max OC are you getting now (compared to DFI)? It is more interesting to know how much more 24/7 OC you are getting compared to your old DFI?
10-11-2009, 03:15 PM
kitfit1

My basic 24/7 overclock (4.4ghz), is 200mhz higher than the DFI. But that isn't the most important thing. The fact is, my current clock is 100% rock stable.
My UT x58 was never stable under any circumstances, at any clock worth talking about. Not just me either, BD24 never really got his stable either once he got a D0.
I think Rgone may well have given up with it as well. Clunk got shot of his as soon as he could, the list goes on and on.
10-11-2009, 03:30 PM
Sam_oslo

Then i guess, it gott'a be some difereces between boards. My MB runs stbale enogh for 24/7 use @4.3GHZ with 12GB RAM on air.
I'm aware that 1 hour Prime dosn't mean it is totaly stable, but is at least an indication. I have been using the same setup for overnight 3D-runder jobs and it was stable for the job, but was a bit too hot for my liking.

W3520 @4.3GHZ(205x21) 1.28v 1 hour Primestable, on air
http://img.techpowerup.org/090829/Capture021.jpg
10-11-2009, 03:55 PM
eva2000

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChaosMinionX

does this board get updated anymore? Doesn't seem like anything too spectacular happening with it.

I think most folks actually use their boards once they found their stable points rather than continually share their settings. You'd think links in first post of this thread would have enough for folks to read and learn and try/test for themselves :) I spent a good solid 6+ months testing DFI UT X58 - great board for the price. I even moved my DFI JR X58 to my new intended 24/7 build as well :) But guess there's alot of sample variance/results from other folks with X58 boards. Now spending some time testing other boards because I can - Asus P6T6 WS Revolution right now :)
10-11-2009, 05:15 PM
Osterman

Nice Oc Sam.
For me this board wasn't a big deal, or at least not as big as I expected.
The lack of bios updates is pretty sad, because there a few things to be improved.
But on the whole Im... satisfied, that would be the word.
Apart from the fact that I couldn't achieve a higher OC than 4.2 for 24/7 with HT On, it works fine. And to be honest that lack of OC is because of my cpu not my board.
Finally I can say that is a good board, I always wanted to try one from the dfi stuff and the next one surely will be EVGA, that classified thing bought me.
10-11-2009, 05:35 PM
Sam_oslo

Thx Osterman, but it just got even better :)
Sometimes man needs a little push to try a bit harder. I thought my cooling couldn't handle the 4.4GHZ, but it did :). The Prime run will be a few degree hotter for sure, but I can get used to this OC. :D
At least my MB is not stopping the OC. I had planned to try this for a long time, and thx to all for pushing this ahead :).

VVT=1.23/1.26v (BIOS/load) :)
3x2GB @1680MHZ 7-8-7-21 1.65v

w3520 @4.41GHZ(210x21) 1.32v, 1 hour OCCT, on air
http://img.techpowerup.org/091011/Capture010006.jpg
10-11-2009, 06:49 PM
MacClipper

For those wanting BIOS updates, there is a recent modded BIOS from DFI posted by the local distributor here. It's aimed more at fixing some SATA issue reported by a local user though.
http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/sh....php?t=2514469
http://rapidshare.com/files/29020946...8_A08.zip.html
10-11-2009, 06:53 PM
eva2000

Quote:

Originally Posted by MacClipper

For those wanting BIOS updates, there is a recent modded BIOS from DFI posted by the local distributor here. It's aimed more at fixing some SATA issue reported by a local user though.
http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/sh....php?t=2514469
http://rapidshare.com/files/29020946...8_A08.zip.html

Interesting is that modified bios based on 7/24 ?
10-11-2009, 07:13 PM
Dami3n

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam_oslo

This tread got quiet for a while, but it shouldn't be taken as a bad sign. Could it indicate that everything is working fine for the owners of this board?.

Early adapters and nerds got their x58 for a long time ago and back then it was a lot of activities here. Can this quiet tread indicate that most of them managed to find a good 24/7 OC that they are happy with without further need for pushing (and rubbing)?.

But it is has been a long time since the last BIOS and I wouldn't mind to see a new one soon, maybe they are too busy with pushing the i5 to latecomers?

I have mine since January, and after the windows 7 multiplier fix, im happy with it. Easy 220bclk, solid 4,4Ghzs in 24/7 use and good layout.
10-11-2009, 11:49 PM
nickless

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam_oslo

This tread got quiet for a while, but it shouldn't be taken as a bad sign. Could it indicate that everything is working fine for the owners of this board?.

Early adapters and nerds got their x58 for a long time ago and back then it was a lot of activities here. Can this quiet tread indicate that most of them managed to find a good 24/7 OC that they are happy with without further need for pushing (and rubbing)?.

But it is has been a long time since the last BIOS and I wouldn't mind to see a new one soon, maybe they are too busy with pushing the i5 to latecomers?

Yes, but this is their high-end motherboard and should not abandon it so. I am happy with this board, but can always be squeezed from it. Even the feeling when there is a new BIOS with some improvements, it makes to experiment again and keep a little more the board. However, the board is for enthusiasts and DFI should to maintain interest in it until this is actual chipset.
I think this post of @cstkl1 in i4memory.com is very revealing and I agree with him for the DFI's attitude to this board at the moment:shakes: :
yeah but my arguement is based on that evga initially used dfi settings and went further since both bioses are alike.

technically what the evga can do for the ram timings etc.. the dfi can do it also...
I hope DFI will do something soon.
pp.sry for my English
10-12-2009, 08:02 AM
Sam_oslo

@nickless
As said, I wouldn't mind to see a new BIOS, but the big question is if the x10 RAM is a good option (anywhere close to sweet spot) for 24/7 use?. It would of course be a nice option and a lot of fun for benching/testing.

I have been playing with memory options for 24/7 use, and tried:

DDR3-2100MHZ 9-10-9-24 1.65v
VVT=1.32/1.36v (BIOS/Load)
20706 Mb/s (read), 41.3ns Latency
http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/4407/mem2100.th.jpg
pros:
~2k more bandwidth
~2.3ns better Latency
cons:
~5'C more on PWM-temp
~3'C more on CPU-temp
CL up with 2

DDR3-1680 7-8-7-21 1.65v
VVT=1.23/1.26v (BIOS/Load)
18748 Mb/s (read), 43.6ns Latency
http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/9940/mem1680.th.jpg
Pros:
Les VVT
Less heat&noise, the sweet spot for 24/7 use.
Cons:
You don't get the highest benching-numbers with your RAM.

On my setup, the x10 RAM has about ~2k more bandwidth, and ~2.3ns better Latency. Other numbers (L2 and L3 too) are almost the same. But it needs much more VVT, with more heat on system and CPU! . Not mentioning the Intel's recommendations for max VVT for 24/7.

I have tried really hard to track the impact of x10 RAM on my applications, but i couldn't see any difference yet (even on my most RAM-hungry applications). I can only conclude that x8 RAM is overkill for desktop use, anyways. My RAM is rated as DDR3-1600 CL7, and these numbers may vary for DDR3-2000 kits, but you can always use tight timing (down ~2CL) and get almost the same performance with these kits, with less heat and noise. This is what makes x8 a much better option (better heat/noise/performance ratio, also the sweet spot) for 24/7 use.

I wouldn't mind to see a better RAM options for x10 RAM on next BIOS, but even then I wouldn't use (or recommend it) for 24/7 use.
10-12-2009, 12:14 PM
nickless

Yeah, you're right, but I had in mind not only the settings of RAM. I can do this numbers with my RAM, but it needs a lot of power:)
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/167...2100mhz.th.jpg
Personally for me is not so important if my RAM will be at 2100 or 1680 for 24/7, (I even can't use 2100 for 24/7 with this RAM), the difference in the real applications and games is almost invisible, but in benchmarks already it's important for me, and I love to bench. My idea was that once again repeated the attitude of the DFI, as before with X48 T2R - forgotten high-end motherboard with poor support.
Do not get me wrong, the board for me is one of the best in comparison with those X58 that I've had, but I think DFI should pay more attention to theirs flagship motherboards, because "never is enough" ;)
10-12-2009, 01:08 PM
Sam_oslo

I see what you mean, but I personally am more into optimizing the stable 24/7 (sweet spot) setup.
When I see it is running trough the HyperPi32M like a dream @4.41GHZ and 6GB @1680MHZ CL7
with Uncore at x18 and VVT only at 1.23/1.26v (BIOS/Load), then I couldn't ask for more.

3x2GB @1680MHZ 7-8-7-21 1,65v
Uncore x18 (3780MHZ)
VVT=1.23/1.26v (BIOS/Load)
w3520 @4.41GHZ(210x21) 1.32v

HyperPi32M stable :)
http://img.techpowerup.org/091012/Capture012298.jpg
10-12-2009, 01:17 PM
nickless

I see you have one of the best batches CPU, and your RAM is different. For my system this is impossible.
Congratulations!
10-12-2009, 08:11 PM
cstkl1

its easy to do 4.4ghz-4.6ghz

as i said before overclocking this way any idiot with a good proc and good cooling can do it.

mem overclocking.. STABLE.
with the understanding of rtl and mem skews..
it came to a full stop when trying above 2100mhz ++
also the rtl's of the classified is currently lower. the reason being is better mem skews.
same thing happened before the 04 bios. .

pwm and system temps..
this is because u have a piss poor cooling.
when cooling is not a factor and ure hardware can take more, u dont make excuses on mobo bios as reasoning

and this is stable up to 2 hours max for 2100mhz C8
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=224040

hmm sam ure arguement for high dram speed is the same as y u need ure proc to be above 4ghz??
u can run lower voltages and cooler.
10-13-2009, 11:35 PM
nickless

Quote:

Originally Posted by eva2000

Interesting is that modified bios based on 7/24 ?

I tried this UTX58_A08 BIOS, but I didn't see any new settings or difference in the performance of RAM. Obviously it's based of 7/24 because there is no problem with 21x Multiplayer under Win7. Maybe as @MacClipper said, the bios fixed only some SATA issue, which I haven't:)
So, we keep waiting for something new one day.
10-14-2009, 01:56 AM
cstkl1

Quote:

Originally Posted by nickless

I tried this UTX58_A08 BIOS, but I didn't see any new settings or difference in the performance of RAM. Obviously it's based of 7/24 because there is no problem with 21x Multiplayer under Win7. Maybe as @MacClipper said, the bios fixed only some SATA issue, which I haven't:)
So, we keep waiting for something new one day.

not sure
but that bios testing now
theres some difference in the mem skew if its still linked to bootup clocks
185 previous bios = 200 on this
10-14-2009, 02:35 AM
hadji_a

can someone share the UTX58_A08 bios? (rs link is a no go).
Thx in advance.
10-14-2009, 03:49 AM
nickless

Quote:

Originally Posted by cstkl1

not sure
but that bios testing now
theres some difference in the mem skew if its still linked to bootup clocks
185 previous bios = 200 on this

I know that you test everything very thoroughly and we will wait to share the results later. I've just compared my 24/7 settings with both bios and I've tried for a max bclk, but again stopped at 230 :(

Quote:

Originally Posted by hadji_a

can someone share the UTX58_A08 bios? (rs link is a no go).
Thx in advance.

Get it here :)
10-14-2009, 04:36 AM
hadji_a

Quote:

Originally Posted by nickless

Get it here :)

Very much appreciated, thx.
10-14-2009, 05:44 PM
Sam_oslo

A little 5-run LinX, it is not exactly my favorite temp, it is bringing my cooling to it's knees , but was stable for the run :).
With almost all memory available to W7 (2GB is dedicated to LowGap to assist the GTX 295, and 1GB is used as RAMDisk as temp-drive for the SSD).

3x2GB @1680MHZ 7-8-7-21 1.65v
Uncore= x18 (3780MHZ) :)
VVT=1.23/1.26v (BIOS/load) :)

W3520 @4.41GHZ(210x21) 1.32v, 5-run LinX stable :)
http://img.techpowerup.org/091014/Capture015.jpg
10-16-2009, 11:08 AM
ChaosMinionX

Well I finally got it blend stable... time to test large FFT with 5400mb.

Then I will see if she likes 12GB installed:rolleyes:

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...X/stable-1.jpg

This C0 was a pain in the ass to get stable.

EDIT: Will post settings here when I get home from work fully.
10-17-2009, 02:19 PM
kintaro

1 Attachment(s)

this is my first try on this new mobo.
seems interesting to me.
10-22-2009, 10:24 AM
kintaro

does anyone know about 2 jumpers on the top of cpu area?
10-22-2009, 02:43 PM
Sam_oslo

Quote:

Originally Posted by kintaro

does anyone know about 2 jumpers on the top of cpu area?

Not exactly, but as far as I know, they don't need to move.
10-22-2009, 04:05 PM
Praz

Quote:

Originally Posted by kintaro

does anyone know about 2 jumpers on the top of cpu area?

Posted 2 months ago.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Praz

They set the PWM IC operating frequency. At default the ICs operatate at the frequency spec'd by Volterra. The jumpers are there for CPU load testing in the lab and probably should have been removed for the retail boards.
10-23-2009, 01:28 AM
nickless

Quote:

Originally Posted by Praz

Posted 2 months ago.

In the manual there is nothing for these jumpers.
So, if I remove the jumpers or change their position, what will happen?
Also does "VTT PWM Switch Frequency" in bios settings replace the function of the jumpers?
10-25-2009, 09:51 AM
uranium

I am considering getting this board (plus a waterblock on the northbridge heatpipe plate) since my GB Extreme suffers from abysmal VDroop (LLC on or not) and has BCLK limit of 215 whatever I do (I tested the CPU and RAM in an EVGA board and it went straight to 224 without a problem)- I think my 920 3845B260 could do better on a different board;) I see Eva 2000 has just got the identical batch... I don't think a Classified is worthwhile, since I am not going to use extreme cooling although I do have a chilled water set-up, see

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=230755

What do you guys think?

Also, probably a dumb question: I have a single ATI 5870 which is fine for my needs, so no crossfire- will it run at x16 in the middle, orange PCIe slot on the DFI. Would make routing my cooling easier
Thanks:)
10-25-2009, 12:54 PM
ecidious

Quote:

Originally Posted by uranium

I am considering getting this board (plus a waterblock on the northbridge heatpipe plate) since my GB Extreme suffers from abysmal VDroop (LLC on or not) and has BCLK limit of 215 whatever I do (I tested the CPU and RAM in an EVGA board and it went straight to 224 without a problem)- I think my 920 3845B260 could do better on a different board;) I see Eva 2000 has just got the identical batch... I don't think a Classified is worthwhile, since I am not going to use extreme cooling although I do have a chilled water set-up, see

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=230755

What do you guys think?

Also, probably a dumb question: I have a single ATI 5870 which is fine for my needs, so no crossfire- will it run at x16 in the middle, orange PCIe slot on the DFI. Would make routing my cooling easier
Thanks:)

Middle slot sets itself and the bottom slot to 8x when it's populated, so you need to use the top or bottom slots for 16x. Also given some people's problems with D0 chips and this board you may want to reconsider (I have a C0 so can't comment) your board choice.
10-25-2009, 02:05 PM
uranium

Quote:

Originally Posted by ecidious

Middle slot sets itself and the bottom slot to 8x when it's populated, so you need to use the top or bottom slots for 16x. Also given some people's problems with D0 chips and this board you may want to reconsider (I have a C0 so can't comment) your board choice.

Thanks- I was afraid that might be the case. Oh well, back to trying to decide on a board......:confused:
10-28-2009, 12:24 AM
nickless

Hi everyone,
I have a problem. Until now I was with GTX285, but I will switch to ATI5850 and meanwhile I bought 9600GT, which will be used for PhysX with ATI5850. But while waiting to arrive the ATI card, now I am only with 9600GT.
What is the problem, when I overclock the system with old 24 / 7 stable settings 4200MHz, when the board boot it gives me error code 94 and it stuck to a black screen, but before with GTX285 I haven't these problems. When I set default settings no problems. I noticed something else, when I overclocked the system with 24 / 7 settings and set ACHI mode no error code 94, but if I set to IDE mode and error code 94 appears again and stuck to a black screen. This under Win7 x64 and Win XPx86.

I searched in Google about this error 94 and it is "Final Init Final init for last micro details before boot" but I don't know what is the connection with the video card and operating modes of HDD-s in ACHI or IDE :confused:
Any suggestions?
PP.Sorry for my English!
10-30-2009, 03:06 PM
|MB|

I just switched from an msi x58 pro to this board and foudn an option not on the MSI in bios: To disable cores.
Would disabling 2 cores and HT, effectively making it been seen as dual core help me in temps and allow me to set lower vcore on same clockspeeds?
11-01-2009, 02:03 AM
PRJ

Hi

I am having an issue with my board...

When shutting down windows, the system shuts down windows, screen, speakers but the fans and PSU keeps running.

What could be the cause of this...?

I cant remember exately when this promblem started, but i have installed Intel Patch 1.4 for SSD drives and the new Intel chipset driver 9.1.1.1014. I can't remember if the problem accured after these upgrades, but maybe.

Thanks for any help!
11-01-2009, 02:20 AM
donmarkoni

Quote:

Originally Posted by |MB|

I just switched from an msi x58 pro to this board and foudn an option not on the MSI in bios: To disable cores.
Would disabling 2 cores and HT, effectively making it been seen as dual core help me in temps and allow me to set lower vcore on same clockspeeds?

Yes. But why would you do that? :eek: Except for max SuperPI maybe...

Quote:

Originally Posted by PRJ

Hi

I am having an issue with my board...

When shutting down windows, the system shuts down windows, screen, speakers but the fans and PSU keeps running.

What could be the cause of this...?

I cant remember exately when this promblem started, but i have installed Intel Patch 1.4 for SSD drives and the new Intel chipset driver 9.1.1.1014. I can't remember if the problem accured after these upgrades, but maybe.

Thanks for any help!

I can't really help you with that, cause I don't remember where I seen it, but someone having that problem talked about Enabling/Disabling O.C. Shut Down Free helped. I don't know how it could be linked with it, but it's worth a try. You can always try clearing and even reflashing BIOS.
11-01-2009, 04:16 AM
PRJ

Thanks donmarkoni

Setting O.C. Shut down free to Disabled O.C.S.D.F worked like a charm, fixed the problem, did the job.

Thanks!
11-01-2009, 09:50 AM
|MB|

Quote:

Originally Posted by donmarkoni

Yes. But why would you do that? :eek: Except for max SuperPI maybe...

I can't really help you with that, cause I don't remember where I seen it, but someone having that problem talked about Enabling/Disabling O.C. Shut Down Free helped. I don't know how it could be linked with it, but it's worth a try. You can always try clearing and even reflashing BIOS.

Because I play certain emulators on it that are cpu speed driven. So higher clocks yield better results.
And they don't support more then dual core in multithreading, so for those 4 cores/HT aren't useful.
11-03-2009, 11:05 PM
p2501

Sooo, I thought I was stable with my setup BUT running the same settings for 4-5 months 24/7 now I'm running into issues with Folding@Home bigadv WUs. It finishes one work unit nicely (in around 2 days and 3-6 hours) and starts the next, but close to 3 days the whole system freezes. Bigadv are very memory intensive units (3.2-3.6 GB memory usage for 8 threads) so I guess it's the memory that's at fault because problems only arose after switching to these units. Tried to resolve that with playing around a little with volts but no workee. So I thought let's start from zero, and for that I actually wanted to ask:

Is there currently a consensus on what's the best BIOS for a W3520+OCZ 1600 Platinums? Or should I switch to different memory? :p:
11-04-2009, 02:26 AM
Sam_oslo

You could try to run those at x6 CL6 ( ~1200MHZ 6-7-6-22), or use loose timings at x8, to see how it works for you.

I have been running W3520 with my old OCZ 1333MHZ Platinums with different BIOS without discovering any difference.
I remember that it wasn't totally stable at rated speed, and I had to use loose timings to get it stable.
This may be different on your sticks, but mine was very picky on tRAS. @1266MHZ 6-6-6-30 was stable, but tRAS=29 would fail in several tests, so i ended up with stable 6-7-6-22 timings for 24/7.

Maybe some new BIOS have better options for DRR3>2000MHZ, but I'm not aware of any big changes for this kind of RAM speeds.

After changing the old OCZ 1333MHZ CL7 @1266 6-7-6-22 to new Corsair 1600MHZ CL7 @1680MHZ 7-8-7-21, I get better bench numbers, but haven't noticed any impact on the stability (or performance) of my real-life applications, yet.
11-06-2009, 10:50 PM
p2501

Ok, thank you Sam. I flashed from 508 to 07/24 and will try with this again. It seems in BIOSes after 508 they fixed VTd locking, so this might even be a good thing that I have to start again.. :)
11-09-2009, 01:49 PM
Sam_oslo

BIOS 07/24 official is out.
11-09-2009, 04:42 PM
ecidious

Just a status change as far as I can see; hopefully a new beta will be out soon.
11-10-2009, 02:05 AM
ChaosMinionX

11/05/09 BIOS is up.

Major Reasons of Change:
1. Added VT-d support Item.
2. The BIOS fixed Windows 7 CPU ratio issue.
http://img.lanparty.tw/Upload/BIOS/CM/LX58DB05.zip
11-10-2009, 05:42 AM
Sam_oslo

Finally something new to play with, good. :eek:

Seams like they got enough of messing around with p55, and trying to pay some attention to real stuff.
11-10-2009, 08:54 AM
Varsos

Hi all
new to i7 here and especially to DFI. Very nice board for oc but i have to read a lot to stabilize it. I'm currently working on stabilizing 4.2G. I can bench a little in 4.5G and 230 bclk but gaming at those settings is a lot of pages to read far away:D. Anyway my first NOOB question concerns the Bernstein audio module......... it seems that when i plug it's cable on the board the power is being cut off. All the leds on the board come off and i can't turn it on. Is there a trick to make this thing work (i can't find anything in the manual) or do i have a broken audio module (or MB)???
Thank you all for your help. I'll keep you posted with my results.
11-10-2009, 09:36 AM
ecidious

Seems like something is shorting, so check the board and cable to make sure everything looks good.
11-10-2009, 02:22 PM
Sam_oslo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Varsos

Hi all
new to i7 here and especially to DFI. Very nice board for oc but i have to read a lot to stabilize it. I'm currently working on stabilizing 4.2G. I can bench a little in 4.5G and 230 bclk but gaming at those settings is a lot of pages to read far away:D. Anyway my first NOOB question concerns the Bernstein audio module......... it seems that when i plug it's cable on the board the power is being cut off. All the leds on the board come off and i can't turn it on. Is there a trick to make this thing work (i can't find anything in the manual) or do i have a broken audio module (or MB)???
Thank you all for your help. I'll keep you posted with my results.

You are pacing the audio module in the topmost slot, right? In case, it will touch the cooler and short out your system. Move it down and it will work.
11-10-2009, 03:53 PM
mrsean

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChaosMinionX

Well I finally got it blend stable... time to test large FFT with 5400mb.

Then I will see if she likes 12GB installed:rolleyes:

This C0 was a pain in the ass to get stable.

EDIT: Will post settings here when I get home from work fully.

Yes. Can you please post your bios settings? I have been trying to get 4ghz stable on my C0 since Jan. To bad almost no one discusses this processor anymore.:(

Also, what type of cooling are you using? I am running 3.8ghz on air.
11-10-2009, 04:18 PM
ChaosMinionX

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrsean

Yes. Can you please post your bios settings? I have been trying to get 4ghz stable on my C0 since Jan. To bad almost no one discusses this processor anymore.:(

Also, what type of cooling are you using? I am running 3.8ghz on air.

I have liquid cooling on processor and the NB... that could be the difference. I will post settings up, Im messing with the new 11/05 BIOS
11-13-2009, 04:36 PM
Sam_oslo

I find the the heat-overhead of x10 RAM ( high VVT and 4200 Uncore) to be far from the sweet-spot for 24/7 use.
But some people were claiming that DFI can't run RAM at these high speeds. So I just had to try it, just for fun. :p:

W3520 @4.4GHZ(210x21) 1.32v
VVT= 1,34/1.37v(BIOS/Load) :)
BIOS 11/05

3x2GB Corsair XMS3 1600MHZ CL7, @2100MHZ CL9 1.65v :p:, HyperPI32M stable :cool:
http://img.techpowerup.org/091113/Capture025743.jpg
11-14-2009, 01:33 AM
pangingIII

i also just got a new G.Skill PS DDR3-2133 CAS9-9-9 3x2GB kit.
i'm still running this kit with 1.665v bios (1.64-1.65v in Windows),
after spent some times with this specific ram kit and the board, it seems to me that the gap between Vdimm and CPU VTT voltage is around 0.245v,
if there is too big or too small a gap on these voltages then it will be only 4GB of the 6GB detected by BIOS and Win 7, and a cool boot problem.

DDR2160 memory 12x Vdimm 1,665 CPU VTT 1,42 BIOS

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/472...1114145507.jpg

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/2...1114145809.jpg

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/616...1114145814.png

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/4...1114150318.jpg

DDR2200 memory 10x,
not SuperPI stable.

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/4...1105170145.jpg
11-14-2009, 02:13 AM
Salamndar

Do you guys know any place that accept international credit cards so I can buy this mobo ?

I wanna replace my R2E mobo for this one or the EVGA classified.
11-14-2009, 03:53 AM
Varsos

Quote:

Originally Posted by ecidious

Seems like something is shorting, so check the board and cable to make sure everything looks good.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam_oslo

You are pacing the audio module in the topmost slot, right? In case, it will touch the cooler and short out your system. Move it down and it will work.

Thanks for your tips guys............ i played a little with the pins and the cable and everything works know!!!! :toast:
11-15-2009, 03:45 PM
avercros

Hi.

I have this MB with the reapers hpc ddr3 1800(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227417) (this kit SUCKS, very bad for oc :S,), I need a new and better kit.

Which set should i choose for oc?

G.SKILL Trident 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2000 (PC3 16000) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F3-16000CL9T-6GBTD - Retail:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231254

SUPER TALENT Chrome Series 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2000 (PC3 16000) Desktop Memory Model WB200UX6G9 - Retail:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820609423

Or recommend me another good kit.

Thanks :D
11-21-2009, 09:50 AM
avercros

bump...
11-22-2009, 07:22 AM
LockBreaker

Does this board have some kind of auto-overclock thing for the CPU?
11-22-2009, 09:25 AM
Sam_oslo

Quote:

Originally Posted by LockBreaker

Does this board have some kind of auto-overclock thing for the CPU?

Well it got that "ABS" over-clocking software, but I personally never trusted or used it.
11-25-2009, 09:37 AM
hoodlikegaza

I just ordered this board from superbiiz for $228 after the -$20 coupon and 5% bing cashback. I hope I made the right choice...
11-25-2009, 09:50 AM
pangingIII

trying a dual-channel memory mode and memory 10x setup
my system can be stable with less CPU VTT (for triple channel i would needed it 1.42v+)

i just wonder is there really any less performance than using triple channel?

http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/6...1126004053.jpg

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/7...1126091603.jpg
11-26-2009, 09:36 AM
Infa

I've seen a new Beta bios on DFI's homepage, dated 5th november...anyone tried this?

I dont understand the changelog... what do they mean by that?

1. Added VT-d support Item. ??!
11-26-2009, 10:34 AM
donmarkoni

Quote:

Originally Posted by Infa

I've seen a new Beta bios on DFI's homepage, dated 5th november...anyone tried this?

I dont understand the changelog... what do they mean by that?

1. Added VT-d support Item. ??!

Tried. Same as 7/24.
Google "VT-d" to read about tech, but it was already in BIOS 7/24.
Added "CPU Features Lock: Enabled/Disabled" under "CPU Features".
Don't now what it's for, though. :shrug:
11-26-2009, 10:57 AM
Sam_oslo

I think VT-D stands for (Intel Virtualization Technology for Directed I/O) . More about it on Intel pages
11-27-2009, 09:19 AM
pangingIII

tried running DDR3-2000 9-9-9-24 triple channel with the lowest VDimm.

BIOS... DRAM Bus Voltage: 1.515v (1.48-1.49v in Windows)
DRAM PWM Switch Frequency: Reduce 15%

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/3...7230120.th.jpg

if VDimm in BIOS below 1.515v, it will result in only 4GB of the 6GB detected by BIOS and Win 7
in the below example i set 1.485v VDimm (tried 1.50v, results the same)

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/3...7223732.th.jpg
11-27-2009, 02:17 PM
aoch88

Guys, I just got my DFI mobo and I have a problem. How do I force it to run 21x at all times? In my Rampage II Extreme I can easily do that but with the DFI, it runs 20x and not 21x at all times :( I am on an i7 920
Someone please guide me what are the settings?
11-28-2009, 03:43 AM
c22

EIST ENABLED, CxE DISABLED, PPM ENABLED, TURBO ENABLED :)
11-28-2009, 08:07 AM
|MB|

I just reseated my h50 cooler on my xeon xpu on this board and all of a sudden I notice I'm getting too high System temps in Smart Guardian (PWM temps).
70 c on load with numbers in red, which afaik I never had before. I don't recall doing anything to the board besides reseating the cooler.
Any ideas what may cause this all of a sudden?
11-28-2009, 08:49 AM
kitfit1

^^

The chances are that you disturbed the PWM heat sink when re-fitting your H50.
12-17-2009, 11:14 AM
pangingIII

"Channel Interleave Setting"

anyone ever tried this setting in bios?

for triple channels i usually set it to Auto or 3ways (always set to 6ways while i use 6x2GB, 12GB of ram)

anyway, for this below memory speed and timings my Everest memory latency was normally around 39~42ns,
but once i changed the Channel Interleave Setting from Auto to 2Ways the Everest's memory latency is quite improve.

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/483...1218014153.jpg
12-18-2009, 09:29 AM
pangingIII

i continue to check out the Channel Interleave Setting and everest memory latency benchmark some more

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/1...1218214237.jpg

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/5...1218210431.jpg

this one is with CPU based clock, but clock memory to memory 16x

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/7...1218235032.jpg

if anyone's running a lower latency ram kit and use an uptodate version of the everest and will clock about the same with mines,
i also just curious if i can have some results to compare with.

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