AMD Bulldozer server info

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Originally Posted by JumpingJack

3 level cache is nothing new, several non-x86 designs employed a 3 level cache hierachy, the first 3 level cache x86 CPU was produced by Intel, http://www.dailytech.com/16MB+of+L3+...rticle2564.htm didn't help much it was still craptastic netburst.

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First on-die L3 Perhaps :) Many Processors before utilised off chip L3 caches

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Originally Posted by mAJORD

First on-die L3 Perhaps :) Many Processors before utilised off chip L3 caches

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Precisely. L3 cache is not an invention either AMD or Intel can lay claim to. But, in fact, Intel did employ a L3 LLC as a first for x86.

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Originally Posted by JumpingJack

Uhhhhhggggghhhh, these type of posts... who invents what first.It is really irrelevant, companies will design products to sell products, and they make technical decisions separate from one another for different reasons and arrive at different conditions at different times.

But to make a point.

Intel implemented an IMC in the 386 days with the 386 SL ( http://fury-tech.com/en/tag/history-...croprocessors/ ) there was nothing really invented here, where you put a memory controller is a design choice of the platform.

The hypertransport bus is based on the EV6, which was DEC, Intel bought out DEC in 1998. Did nothing with the IP, AMD popularized the serial point to point nicely in the K8 line.

3 level cache is nothing new, several non-x86 designs employed a 3 level cache hierachy, the first 3 level cache x86 CPU was produced by Intel, http://www.dailytech.com/16MB+of+L3+...rticle2564.htm didn't help much it was still craptastic netburst.

Core 2 was inpsired by continuing from Dothan, Banias, and Yonah, all those were P6 lineage, I doubt much of the design was inspired by K8... they are two completely different architectures.

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JumpingJack, I didn't intend to say anything about who invented what first. In fact, I didn't - I used the word "implemented", and with that I did mean in the segment that we were talking about. Please follow the history of this discussion: I was commenting on Informal's notion that Intel was reluctant to implement features implemented by others first. I only wanted to show that in some important cases, this wasn't so. In that, it doesn't matter in the least who invented it first.

informal:Im sorry, my mistake, I thought, its 13 800points in passmark and I watch at your commnet and again at screen and it is 13.8 R11.5 :). So, think, its next fake...Real can be about 10-11p in R11.5

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Originally Posted by informal

That score of 13.88 in C11.5 is 25% higher than the one posted on Donanimhaber. So either the sample for the DH slide had 25% lower clock(not likely) or the score is not real. DH slide suggests that X8 at xxMhz has ~1.9x perf. of 1100T in C11.5,which is around 10.9-11pts. Still a massive leap in performance. 13.89 is therefore hard to swallow(heck even DH slide is very fishy in many regards).

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Hmm, im starting to get a bit annoyed about those damn made up scores without proper background... Of course my post is not aimed at you informal.

Expectations grow and grow, by that I mean +20%, 35%, + 50% where will it stop? :shrug: Even if Zambezi is competitive with high end core i7 disillusional people will be still expecting a beast with a lower price tag.

Let me tell you now - Not going to happen!
Either AMD has a competitive product that will be priced on par with Intel, which will lead to a potential price war (good for us) or again we will be waiting for a new architecture for them to compete (not good at all).

Athlon vs PIV is very unlikely to happen again looking at the state of both companies R&D resources, that way some people need to wake up and smell the coffee. Overhyping a product never helped anyone... :confused:

Yeah I agree. Therefore I think we should ignore all these leaks until we have one from more respectable source (with at least screenshots of actual hardware).
While I think Bulldozer may have some very nice hardware features I'm not expecting any miracles,not on desktop at least.In servers it will probably rock. In client it just needs to be good enough to be a viable choice Vs six core i7,that's all.

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Originally Posted by Shadov

Athlon vs PIV is very unlikely to happen again looking at the state of both companies R&D resources, that way some people need to wake up and smell the coffee. Overhyping a product never helped anyone... :confused:

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Realistically I'm expecting something like Phenom II vs Core 2 Quad.

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Originally Posted by informal

http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/v...tzi/amdfa5.png

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whats LR-DIMM?

Charlie wrote an article on this topic some time ago.

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Originally Posted by informal

Charlie wrote an article on this topic some time ago.

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sheesh, what a read! :lol:
thanks! :up:

http://www.rumorpedia.net/amd-bulldo...d/#comment-525

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We have just received a photo of what sender claims to be an engineering sample of AMD Bulldozer (Zambezi) Quad Core processor benchmark score table.

Unfortunately, he/she asked not to publish the original photo (it also has other test score, but for some reason we cant show it (don’t ask why)).

Anyway, here is 3D Mark Vantage CPU score chart (Sandy Bridge vs. Bulldozer)

http://www.rumorpedia.net/wp-content...rbenchmark.png

3.5 GHz Bulldozer matches 4.0 GHz Sandy Bridge.

We don’t really care whether you believe benchmark results or not, as we just publish what we get our hands on. As always, a cat will die for every chart repost in forums, chats, etc.

Intel is screwed up until Ivy Bridge arrives.

As for other score, it’s a power consumption test.

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Compare:

http://scarletwhore.com/wp-content/u...er-CPUmark.jpg

4 BD cores having a 500mhz lead on 4 SB cores/8 threads is kinda unlikely.

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Originally Posted by undone

http://www.rumorpedia.net/wp-content...rbenchmark.png

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well, I am super duper skeptical. but it is not IMPOSSIBLE.

it would certainly be good news for the human race if that were the case.

interesting - not long till release? is it q2?

Ugh, I'd rather rumors like these simply not exist. People seem to carry giant grudges when make believe goals aren't reached by actual products. Wishful thinking, I know.

3dmark 06 VANTAGE :confused:

wow...omg this is not even worth a new thread, but it is relevant to amd...all i can say is wtf! dont these ppl have better things to do than make up far fetched stories??? xbit says its dell.....


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...-a-target.html

Things are getting more & more interesting...... :shrug:

http://scarletwhore.com/?p=3277

http://scarletwhore.com/wp-content/u...ulldozer21.jpg

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Originally Posted by undone

Things are getting more & more interesting...... :shrug:

http://scarletwhore.com/?p=3277

http://scarletwhore.com/wp-content/u...ulldozer21.jpg

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This has been already posted and discussed. It's a week old ''news'',most likely fabricated. Check the search.

this graphs look s as fake, passmark is unreal and this is too much for 8c...will be about 10points in real think...