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Originally Posted by Olivon

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The same bias since many years ;)

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bingo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! haha ha

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Originally Posted by 22JHP

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it was not postponed, original launch date was in november! now is launch date synced with bf4 launch, but someone believed 15th october is launch date

I heard Nda lifts at 15th

So when are we likely to get the first reviews for this card.

Evantaur - NOT, it is not
MaddMuppet - in few weeks!

maybe torrorrow?!?!?

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Originally Posted by kuroikenshi

maybe torrorrow?!?!?

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definitely NOT!

Delay Release R9 290 X - R9 290, Just Waiting Nvidia Release GTX 770 TI Gap Filler Between GTX 770 And GTX 780.

There is not any GTX 770 Ti, it is only rumor

Well I just gave in to the price cuts on the EOL 7970's. Just bought an Asus 7970 Matrix Platinum 3Gb for an impossible to resist 220 UK pounds. Which is an amazing price, and 3 free games thrown in too.
Especially when you consider that the R9 280X Matrix Platinum, which is the same damn card, is listed on the same site @ 330, and no game bundle.
So I used the cash I saved to buy an extra 8Gb of RAM :)
Need to change my sig now lol.

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Originally Posted by PedantOne

Evantaur - NOT, it is not
MaddMuppet - in few weeks!

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Nice, thanks for that.

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Originally Posted by Ace123

Bro its not about what you know. Its your attitude.

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Cool bro. Thanks for letting me know bro. Keep your chin up bro.

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Originally Posted by tajoh111

The bias come forth when your typically optimistic about AMD and pessimistic about Nvidia. I remember you said the 7990 was going to come out shortly after the gtx 690 and that didn't happen.

It also relate currently about this topic where it might have been possible for Nvidia to release the gtx 780 release a year ago.

Considering some of AMD's releases recently like its 7990( some rumors were there was like a 1000 cards for launch) or the fx-9590 which were all high priced, extremely low volume parts, I think if Nvidia had wanted to at the time, they could have delivered a volume similar to those products. But they didn't.

One possibly reason which would be reasonable is they simply didn't want to cannibalize their gtx 680.

GTX 680's were still priced closer to 500 dollars at the time and were plentiful and easy for Nvidia to make. What would happen if something like a $650 gtx 780 popped up? Sure they would sell every single one of those cards, lets say 20,000 cards(cards that didnt make k20x) at $650. But the hundreds of thousands of gtx 680 that had no supply issues couldn't be sold for 500 anymore. It wouldn't be a flagship any more and at 650, the gtx 780 would be the better value considering their price difference and performance difference. The pricing of the gtx 780 only makes sense and doesn't cause as much cannibalization when the street price of the gtx 680 falls to 400 or less.

But what your saying LordECC without any proof and just say I know is it couldn't be done. They couldn't release it. If AMD was in the reverse situation, you might take the positive upshot(like the 7990 release).

If you want me to give you an example of this attitude and bias, lets look at Charlie from semiaccurate(don't worry your not this biased). When rx-xxx was leaked he was saying it was the end for Nvidia, they are screwed because of AMD's all new lineup is going to put Nvidia to the curb. He lightly mentions that some of the cards are rebrands but he talks up Hawaii like the second coming of Christ. When he was talking about gk110, he said the performance was underwhelming and underperforming, screaming at the top of his fingers that the gtx 770 was a rebrand. And he completely ignored hawaii is coming 8 months after gk110.

If we look at what AMD is doing with this launch aside from mantle, is releasing their Nvidia equivalent of the 7xx series 8 months later. Its hardly going to screw Nvidia besides put some pressure to lower the price of some of their products to have margins which resemble AMD's, rather than the record margins before this launch.

What I am trying to get at is you resemble to a lesser extent this negative outlook Charlie has. Talking up AMD and putting down Nvidia.

And lets look at the big picture, Hawaii's launch time was needed a long time ago. It was needed because the price of the 7970 and the rest of the lineup has fallen so far to the point AMD was barely breaking even on the graphics card division. Not having a new lineup has depressed the price of Tahiti so much that tahiti cards can be found at half the price of their initial value( and this price drop isn't a result of their own cards). It's coming out 8 months after gk110, and during this time AMD has lost a lot of potential revenue through shrinking margins.

Hawaii is on schedule from a roadmap stand point but late from a financial standpoint because it has caused them to lose a lot of potential revenue.

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They could have released 7990 at that time but didn't want to cannibalize their partner's cards.

How many +$500 consumer cards do you think are sold in a quarter?
How is GTX780 a better value at $650 than GTX680 at $500?

Who was the first to say that Titan wasn't a limited run?
Who was the first to say that we should expect a cutdown Titan as a GeForce card about two months after Titan's launch?

Hawaii's launch is closer to GTX780, which is the only consumer GK110 on the market, than Maxwell is to Hawaii.

I'm sorry but I will repeat, you don't sit on inventory that could potentially become worth next to nothing within 8months.

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Originally Posted by PedantOne

bingo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! haha ha

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Mmm... English. WTF is that?

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Originally Posted by boxleitnerb

Face it - they could have launched the card a lot earlier. After all, it's just a K20X with higher clocks, and that card was sent to the Titan supercomputer as early as end of September. They shipped tens of thousands of these cards by the end of October.
I think you just have a problem accepting that because you want Nvidia to look bad. Guess what: Nobody here cares about your bias.

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Sure mate. Nvidia just decided they were making to much money, why bother selling a $999 card earlier, much better sell it later and see AMD gain market share and then undercut it in performance and price just a few months later. It's just a K20x with higher clock? Do you mean more 130mhz, more RAM, faster RAM, wider bus etc...

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Just got our supermicro station with a new K20 gpu card. Tried a few benchmarks of our code and NVIDIA sdks and K20 was always 10-40% slower [vs GTX680] depending on the work load..

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I guess it's easier to rip off workstation guys, specially if they need dp performance.


But the point is, it was ready? Isn't Titan a refresh? Isn't AMD late because Titan is a refresh? You greens need to get you story straight.

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Originally Posted by PedantOne

it was not postponed, original launch date was in november! now is launch date synced with bf4 launch, but someone believed 15th october is launch date

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no offical launch date, then it cant be postponed.
logic....of the internet.

I really wish AMD was a bit more forthcoming with information about this launch. A bit disappointing really.

It seems 290X reviews - 10/24/2013 and 290 10/31/2013, but not final dates yet, i think

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Originally Posted by Piledriver

Sure mate. Nvidia just decided they were making to much money, why bother selling a $999 card earlier, much better sell it later and see AMD gain market share and then undercut it in performance and price just a few months later. It's just a K20x with higher clock? Do you mean more 130mhz, more RAM, faster RAM, wider bus etc...

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MSRP of Tesla >>> MSRP of Titan. If you have x number of products and you can sell them at $1000 or $3000, what would YOU do? The choice is obvious one would think.
Remember that Teslas were on back order, there was huge demand. Obviously it's a wise decision to fulfill these high margin orders first albeit to the detriment of us enthusiasts.

And no, K20X has the same amount of memory and the same bus width as Titan. Only clocks differ for obvious reasons: TDP. DP workloads are more power intensive than gaming workloads. At least with dedicated units. That's why Titan clocks lower in DP-mode.

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Originally Posted by boxleitnerb

msrp of tesla >>> msrp of titan. If you have x number of products and you can sell them at $1000 or $3000, what would you do? The choice is obvious one would think.
Remember that teslas were on back order, there was huge demand. Obviously it's a wise decision to fulfill these high margin orders first albeit to the detriment of us enthusiasts.

And no, k20x has the same amount of memory and the same bus width as titan. Only clocks differ for obvious reasons: Tdp. Dp workloads are more power intensive than gaming workloads. At least with dedicated units. That's why titan clocks lower in dp-mode.

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^^qft

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Originally Posted by LordEC911

Cool bro. Thanks for letting me know bro. Keep your chin up bro.


They could have released 7990 at that time but didn't want to cannibalize their partner's cards.

How many +$500 consumer cards do you think are sold in a quarter?
How is GTX780 a better value at $650 than GTX680 at $500?

Who was the first to say that Titan wasn't a limited run?
Who was the first to say that we should expect a cutdown Titan as a GeForce card about two months after Titan's launch?

Hawaii's launch is closer to GTX780, which is the only consumer GK110 on the market, than Maxwell is to Hawaii.

I'm sorry but I will repeat, you don't sit on inventory that could potentially become worth next to nothing within 8months.



Mmm... English. WTF is that?

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Cannibalize what sales? Early 7990 sold like garbage and were ultra limited edition in number. Plus partners would have been happy to take a AMD reference design if it was available, slap on their own cooler or sticker and sell it like they have done in the past.

I am pretty sure it was left to the partner initially because AMD didn't want to make a reference design that had sky high power consumption. Look at all the partner cards that were released early and they all had freakishly high power consumption, monstrous coolers(triple slot cooling and water cooling) and were simply inelegant designs. To make a card that really competed on all metrics against the gtx 690 wasn't a possibility without going way over PCI-e spec. They left it up to the partners because partners are willing to do all that and break all the rules of a reference design.

Even the later 7990 which took best of the best tahiti xt chips wasn't the best competitor even those it was released 1 year later. It still consumed significantly more power, has bad overclocking potential and cooling was less than ideal(particularly in xfire).

You would be surprised at how many 500 dollar cards sell. Look at steam statistics the gtx 680 still holds a reasonable high percentage relative to other cards this generation. This figure used to be about 50 % higher in the past when the gtx 680 was still a new cards. When you combine steam statistics and how much revenue Nvidia generates, they are likely selling 100,000's not tens of thousand of these cards. E.g 100,000 * 200-300(partners make up the rest of the profit/cost of card) = 20-30 million which in a 700 million plus quarter isn't that unreasonable.

It should be obvious why the gtx 780 would depress the price of a gtx 680. The gtx 780 is close to 30 percent faster than a gtx 680. For the high end, getting 30 percent more performance for 30% more spending is a bargain. The gtx 670 was only 8 percent faster than a gtx 680 and there was a 100 dollar difference yet the gtx 680 still sold well. Look at what that 150 dollar add on gets you with the gtx 780 if the gtx 680 was still 500, 30% better performance, better overclocking potential, a much nicer reference cooler and the title of flagship and the extra memory.

If Nvidia had released the gtx 780 in late fall, the gtx 680 for sure couldn't sell for 500 anymore. If the gtx 780 had unlimited quantity this wouldn't be a problem, but particularly in fall, releasing a low volume, completely supply limited gtx 780 would have caused more harm than good for Nvidia's overall revenue.
Gtx 680 sales would tank until a major price cut was made. While the gtx 780 would sell out instantly which is meaningless on a product that sells in the 10 of thousands.

It wasn't like the gk110 were stock piling collecting dust. Much of them were being sold to the pro market for much higher amounts.

Nvidia has a 250 dollar price difference between the 770 and the gtx 780 and the gap between these cards is less because the 770 is faster than a 680. This is the type of pricing Nvidia has set in place so the cards don't cannibalize each other.

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Originally Posted by boxleitnerb

MSRP of Tesla >>> MSRP of Titan. If you have x number of products and you can sell them at $1000 or $3000, what would YOU do? The choice is obvious one would think.
Remember that Teslas were on back order, there was huge demand. Obviously it's a wise decision to fulfill these high margin orders first albeit to the detriment of us enthusiasts.

And no, K20X has the same amount of memory and the same bus width as Titan. Only clocks differ for obvious reasons: TDP. DP workloads are more power intensive than gaming workloads. At least with dedicated units. That's why Titan clocks lower in DP-mode.

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Titan was late and it was not a refresh, that's what i've been saying all along, you said nothing that proves otherwise. It's just funny that stating facts in a AMD thread with 30 pages of nvidia propaganda is considered bias, when fantasy like Nvidia didn't put Titan for sale earlier because didn't feel like it, or that AMD is late is considered solid and correct information.

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Originally Posted by Piledriver

Titan was late and it was not a refresh, that's what i've been saying all along, you said nothing that proves otherwise. It's just funny that stating facts in a AMD thread with 30 pages of nvidia propaganda is considered bias, when fantasy like Nvidia didn't put Titan for sale earlier because didn't feel like it, or that AMD is late is considered solid and correct information.

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Titan is not a refresh, true.
Titan was not late, because for that to happen you would have to have some proof that it was meant to be released earlier. If a company changes their strategy, for example to release GK104 first and GK110 later, this is irrelevant and not enough to claim delays. The only reference points for delays that we have and that ultimately matter are in respect to what the competition does. For example, GF100 was late because it was released 6 months after RV870. But if RV870 had not been released until say April 2010, how would one be able to tell if GF100 was late or not? Late compared to what?? We *need* a reference point.

By the timing set forth by Titans release AMDs response with Hawaii can be considered to be late:

Both companies released their first 28nm-GPUs within about 2-3 months of each other: GK104 and Tahiti
GK110 and Hawaii are the addition to their lineups in the upper segment and they are direct competitors.
Nvidia released GK110 for GeForce 11 months after GK104. AMD will have released Hawaii for Radeon 22 months after Tahiti or 7 months after Titan.

This is simple logic and mathematics. I suggest you find some solid arguments of your own instead of trolling without any.

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Originally Posted by boxleitnerb

Titan is not a refresh, true.
Titan was not late, because for that to happen you would have to have some proof that it was meant to be released earlier. If a company changes their strategy, for example to release GK104 first and GK110 later, this is irrelevant and not enough to claim delays. The only reference points for delays that we have and that ultimately matter are in respect to what the competition does. For example, GF100 was late because it was released 6 months after RV870. But if RV870 had not been released until say April 2010, how would one be able to tell if GF100 was late or not? Late compared to what?? We *need* a reference point.

By the timing set forth by Titans release AMDs response with Hawaii can be considered to be late:

Both companies released their first 28nm-GPUs within about 2-3 months of each other: GK104 and Tahiti
GK110 and Hawaii are the addition to their lineups in the upper segment and they are direct competitors.
Nvidia released GK110 for GeForce 11 months after GK104. AMD will have released Hawaii for Radeon 22 months after Tahiti or 7 months after Titan.

This is simple logic and mathematics. I suggest you find some solid arguments of your own instead of trolling without any.

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AMD is following the same path they followed at 40nm with Cypress --> Cayman.

They released Cypress, and waited for nVidia to release and refresh, before they refreshed on the node.

this card launch is getting so annoying...no info, rebrand, no games, delays, makes me want to wait for a 780 price cut and go for that...

:banana::banana::banana::banana: Titan... can we focus on the R9's?

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Originally Posted by Dimitriman

:banana::banana::banana::banana: Titan... can we focus on the R9's?

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When will launch the Attachment 131541 review??

15 or 29 or.....

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Originally Posted by Dimitriman

:banana::banana::banana::banana: Titan... can we focus on the R9's?

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qft

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Originally Posted by boxleitnerb

Titan is not a refresh, true.
Titan was not late, because for that to happen you would have to have some proof that it was meant to be released earlier. If a company changes their strategy, for example to release GK104 first and GK110 later, this is irrelevant and not enough to claim delays. The only reference points for delays that we have and that ultimately matter are in respect to what the competition does. For example, GF100 was late because it was released 6 months after RV870. But if RV870 had not been released until say April 2010, how would one be able to tell if GF100 was late or not? Late compared to what?? We *need* a reference point.

By the timing set forth by Titans release AMDs response with Hawaii can be considered to be late:

Both companies released their first 28nm-GPUs within about 2-3 months of each other: GK104 and Tahiti
GK110 and Hawaii are the addition to their lineups in the upper segment and they are direct competitors.
Nvidia released GK110 for GeForce 11 months after GK104. AMD will have released Hawaii for Radeon 22 months after Tahiti or 7 months after Titan.

This is simple logic and mathematics. I suggest you find some solid arguments of your own instead of trolling without any.

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So now we are talking about "additions" to lineups, always funny to see fanboys trolls dance around semantics. Hawaii isn't a "addition" is a refresh, which Titan isn't. But i get it AMD is late because this time around Nvidia was able to put for sale it's full functional arc before AMD did a refresh of theirs, unlike fermi.

AMD launched a new arc (HD5000), Nvidia was late.
AMD did a refresh (HD6000) even before Nvidia was able to launch a full working fermi.
AMD launched a new arc (HD7000), nvidia was late, full working Kepler even later.
AMD did a refresh... where's maxwell? oh i know woodscrew edition is going pop out Q1 2014

Your rationale is priceless. I guess AMD was late with HD 6000 too, i mean it launched 6 months after fermi!!! It wasn't fermi that was late! It was AMD!!! I guess you think AMD should have always a new arch ready for when Nvidia releases it's new late arc, even if they just released theirs a couple months ago, because that makes sense!

This forum used to be informational... now it's half full of people pretending they know something and then arguing and making even bigger arses out of themselves, and the other half are RedGreenBlue fanboy trolls...
Having to read through 40 pages of bull:banana::banana::banana::banana: to get half a page worth of info is annoying... Stop this nonsense people. PLEASE

Oh Boy ! Looky looky here :D

HIS Radeon R9 290X completely naked courtesy and source of expreview: http://www.expreview.com/album/28801.html#5

First one to discover v.mem and v,core volt mods will get a cookie :) , I already found the v.core ic and v.mem area for volt mods.

I do not know wich IC VRM Controller is this one I cannot find any information anywhere in the net :/ is a new one , v.core.

IR 3567B N330P J974



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V.mem area I need better pictures.




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Memory used is Hynix - SK Hynix 45G02H24ARR ROC 334A




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And the big Hawai core :)




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this is old Results We have already seen before

My Opinion if this card R9 290X came only 10% faster than GTX TITAN
This will be a very funny :ROTF: Because all this amplification and huge advertising and many leaks......but In the end give us only card 10% faster than GTX TITAN :D for me that will be funny:p:

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Originally Posted by Tha Last Meal

My Opinion if this card R9 290X came only 10% faster than GTX TITAN
This will be a very funny :ROTF: Because all this amplification and huge advertising and many leaks......but In the end give us only card 10% faster than GTX TITAN :D for me that will be funny:p:

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would be hilarious funny at 10% faster and if only 499 to 599

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Originally Posted by Tha Last Meal

My Opinion if this card R9 290X came only 10% faster than GTX TITAN
This will be a very funny :ROTF: Because all this amplification and huge advertising and many leaks......but In the end give us only card 10% faster than GTX TITAN :D for me that will be funny:p:

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You just have too high expectations. Titan is a monster of a card.

I think the best way to compare development is performance/mm^2 or performance/watt. I understand from 7970 to R9 290X another of these has increased about 5%. Doesnt sound much but i bet it still took pretty damn lots of work. Stupid consumers propably have often problems to comprehend that.

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Originally Posted by bill_d

would be hilarious funny at 10% faster and if only 499 to 599

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and will be 2x hilarious funny if it comes 10% faster and cost you 700 and we know that GTX 780 OC can get the GTX TITAN Performance and GTX 780 cost you 650.
if this happens i don't see something spectacular in this card that make me buy it.

there is nothing spectacular on 290X, it is power hungry and noisy monster with performance of 8 months old Titan, nothing more. But for better price.

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Originally Posted by Tha Last Meal

and will be 2x hilarious funny if it comes 10% faster and cost you 700 and we know that GTX 780 OC can get the GTX TITAN Performance and GTX 780 cost you 650.
if this happens i don't see something spectacular in this card that make me buy it.

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what some 780 will oc to is meaningless as cards are reviewed at stock speeds, two i'm sure the 290x will overclock to


and nv trolls are not going to buy a 290x anyway:p:

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Originally Posted by PedantOne

there is nothing spectacular on 290X, it is power hungry and noisy monster with performance of 8 months old Titan, nothing more. But for better price.

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You should get used to them because you won't see anything new from both camps until 20 nm production is available in Q3/Q4 2014..

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Originally Posted by PedantOne

there is nothing spectacular on 290X, it is power hungry and noisy monster with performance of 8 months old Titan, nothing more. But for better price.

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I beg to differ. Given AMD's position as a struggling entity often fighting a losing battle on two fronts against two Very good opponents, the fact they can come back on the same node and deliver more power than the beastly Titan in some cases with less silicon is in fact, in my opinion, some level of accomplishment.
It remains to be seen if they can somehow duplicate this accomplishment in the CPU segment, but expectations are low at this point.

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there is nothing spectacular on 290X, it is power hungry and noisy monster with performance of 8 months old Titan, nothing more. But for better price.

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I agree with you

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Originally Posted by bill_d

what some 780 will oc to is meaningless as cards are reviewed at stock speeds, two i'm sure the 290x will overclock to


and nv trolls are not going to buy a 290x anyway:p:

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surely the 290x will overclock to.....But the problem is you don't see the whole picture here
If we are talking about the performance? we see this performance before. if we are talking about price? yes the price will be good Compared to TITAN card

We are not talking about nvidia+ amd fanboy! These guys just big noobs.....We are talking about The distinctive thing new in this card that came with price.....(Suppose the price is 700) And make you want to buy it like a maniac ?
so in my opinion is.....nothing.

but Despite all what I say now we will wait to see the real performance when the review come

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Originally Posted by Ace123

I beg to differ. Given AMD's position as a struggling entity often fighting a losing battle on two fronts against two Very good opponents, the fact they can come back on the same node and deliver more power than the beastly Titan in some cases with less silicon is in fact, in my opinion, some level of accomplishment.
It remains to be seen if they can somehow duplicate this accomplishment in the CPU segment, but expectations are low at this point.

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But with eight months of delay ... What removes much of the credit you the dedication.

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Originally Posted by Tha Last Meal

I agree with you



surely the 290x will overclock to.....But the problem is you don't see the whole picture here
If we are talking about the performance? we see this performance before. if we are talking about price? yes the price will be good Compared to TITAN card

We are not talking about nvidia+ amd fanboy! These guys just big noobs.....We are talking about The distinctive thing new in this card that came with price.....(Suppose the price is 700) And make you want to buy it like a maniac ?
so in my opinion is.....nothing.

but Despite all what I say now we will wait to see the real performance when the review come

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You have some weird kind of humour, if a chip that is smaller, on the same node, delivers better performance for lower price at the same time bringing some new technologies to the table (like true audio), with advent of a new api (which WILL be used, at least somewhat) is hilarious to you, then obviously you are a weird guy.
All this nonsense blabbing about it not DOMINATING a HUGE ASS CHIP on the same node is actually hilarious, unless someone believes in MAGIC.Im pretty sure both AMD and nvidia COULD produce even bigger and meaner things on this node, however i dont think that 400W power reqs, very low yield ,and water cooling required would bring them much $.

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Originally Posted by Zoran

This forum used to be informational... now it's half full of people pretending they know something and then arguing and making even bigger arses out of themselves, and the other half are RedGreenBlue fanboy trolls...
Having to read through 40 pages of bull:banana::banana::banana::banana: to get half a page worth of info is annoying... Stop this nonsense people. PLEASE

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Take out a dozen or so ATi fanboys and it's all good again.

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Originally Posted by vario

You have some weird kind of humour, if a chip that is smaller, on the same node, delivers better performance for lower price at the same time bringing some new technologies to the table (like true audio), with advent of a new api (which WILL be used, at least somewhat) is hilarious to you, then obviously you are a weird guy.
All this nonsense blabbing about it not DOMINATING a HUGE ASS CHIP on the same node is actually hilarious, unless someone believes in MAGIC.Im pretty sure both AMD and nvidia COULD produce even bigger and meaner things on this node, however i dont think that 400W power reqs, very low yield ,and water cooling required would bring them much $.

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Come on man!! You are joking !! Tell me you're joking !! are you sure that true audio is a new technology? true audio just a propaganda . if you believe that mantle is here to develop games and support Game developers to make things better? than You are very wrong. mantle found only in order to knock out the competitor (nvidia) and not like what AMD said " Mantle is found and supported to provide best solution to game developers which lead to new experience in games"......this is rubbish. you can return to some of AMD statements that said " when BF4 works through Mantle,Titan well be a joke" when you hear such words do you think they are after support for game developers or to break their only competitor, this won't be understood by anyone except for those who have been following the story from its beginning (Mantle). there is a difference between winning with your own work and winning by breaking others with unfair methods.

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Originally Posted by Tha Last Meal

Come on man!! You are joking !! Tell me you're joking !! are you sure that true audio is a new technology? true audio just a propaganda . if you believe that mantle is here to develop games and support Game developers to make things better? than You are very wrong. mantle found only in order to knock out the competitor (nvidia) and not like what AMD said " Mantle is found and supported to provide best solution to game developers which lead to new experience in games"......this is rubbish. you can return to some of AMD statements that said " when BF4 works through Mantle,Titan well be a joke" when you hear such words do you think they are after support for game developers or to break their only competitor, this won't be understood by anyone except for those who have been following the story from its beginning (Mantle). there is a difference between winning with your own work and winning by breaking others with unfair methods.

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Please tell me you are joking...

True audio with hundreds of 3d positional audio channels is relatively an impossible feat at this point in time with current implementations.
Mantle is here to support Devs, aka they asked for it and AMD delivered it.
Mantle doesn't break anything, it has no affect on Titan performance, to think any different means you do not understand these technologies at all...

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Originally Posted by Tha Last Meal

Come on man!! You are joking !! Tell me you're joking !! are you sure that true audio is a new technology? true audio just a propaganda . if you believe that mantle is here to develop games and support Game developers to make things better? than You are very wrong. mantle found only in order to knock out the competitor (nvidia) and not like what AMD said " Mantle is found and supported to provide best solution to game developers which lead to new experience in games"......this is rubbish. you can return to some of AMD statements that said " when BF4 works through Mantle,Titan well be a joke" when you hear such words do you think they are after support for game developers or to break their only competitor, this won't be understood by anyone except for those who have been following the story from its beginning (Mantle). there is a difference between winning with your own work and winning by breaking others with unfair methods.

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The good thing a bout nvidiots, is as soon as you own a couple, a dozen come out of the woodwork to bury facts with ignorant propaganda. This thread is a nvidiot thread crapping festival.

So AMD is winning by breaking others with unfair methods because Nvidia will continue to use Directx and opengl. :clap::clap::clap:

Nvidia paying to remove content from a game when not running a nvidia card, Nvidia paying so that a game have absurd amounts of tessellation so that a Nvidia card looks better is ok, AMD developing something that improves the performance of it's cards is not ok.

Can we get back on topic and stop people calling nvidiots, please? Post reported, btw. It has to stop at some point.

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Please tell me you are joking...

True audio with hundreds of 3d positional audio channels is relatively an impossible feat at this point in time with current implementations.
Mantle is here to support Devs, aka they asked for it and AMD delivered it.
Mantle doesn't break anything, it has no affect on Titan performance, to think any different means you do not understand these technologies at all...

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first, I didn't see your reply on the points I mentioned above, and you didn't say anything about what AMD stated on Mantle..you only replied with one simple phrase without any proofs..which means you simply have nothing..zero
to make things clear AMD supported Mantle, and AMD payed 8M USD to develop it, and to become entirely compatible with its cards, and to embarrass the competitor with Mantle performance.

so we don't make this discussion longer than it should be, when the results of AMD card and Nvidia card with BF4 + Mantle shows up, I'll come back to you and remind you of what I've said before " Nvidia cards will be negatively affected by Mantle"

I wouldnt be surprised to see a Hawaii chip between the 280x and 290.

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Originally Posted by Tha Last Meal

" Nvidia cards will be negatively affected by Mantle"

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from what I understand about Mantle, it's just a different API available to the game developer... they can decide to use it, or don't

you can render your game on Mantle, OpenGL or DirectX... if your card is based on GCN, then the game can use Mantle, if it's not, then will use OpenGL, DirectX... how can Mantle affect negatively an Nvidia card then, if the card doesn't support Mantle??? The game will just render in DirectX / OpenGL

developed independently, individually. its own api, for proper access to its hardware. done by those developing the games. not those developing the "standards"

how is this any different, then how nvidia implemented the way its meant to be played. and physX , paying obviously greater then 8M in the process of that.


besides. nvidia doesn't care about this market. they say, consoles, their for the majority of gamers. mean nothing to them anymore. only mobile market and extreme enthusiasts.

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The good thing a bout nvidiots, is as soon as you own a couple, a dozen come out of the woodwork to bury facts with ignorant propaganda. This thread is a nvidiot thread crapping festival.

So AMD is winning by breaking others with unfair methods because Nvidia will continue to use Directx and opengl. :clap::clap::clap:

Nvidia paying to remove content from a game when not running a nvidia card, Nvidia paying so that a game have absurd amounts of tessellation so that a Nvidia card looks better is ok, AMD developing something that improves the performance of it's cards is not ok.

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yo , I'm an owner of AMD HD 7990 Card, did I say good things about Nvidia in my reply? or clapped my hand for its mistakes?...put on your glasses ..cause I didn't do that, and by the way tessellation is supported by both sides, did you forget what AMD did about Tessellation when its previous generation HD5000 was out, when each game supported Tes. released AMD was SOOOOOO PRoud of its work..and that's its right cause it was best back then and now when Nvidia came to do the same thing ..you say it like it's some kind of wrong behavior...simply AMD did it before and Nvidia did Later..the difference between your reply and mine..is that I talked about both companies with their Neg.Pos. yet you only spooked about Nvida Neg..which make you a NOOB

That's my final reply about this matter, cause we are off the main subject...-_-

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from what I understand about Mantle, it's just a different API available to the game developer... they can decide to use it, or don't

you can render your game on Mantle, OpenGL or DirectX... if your card is based on GCN, then the game can use Mantle, if it's not, then will use OpenGL, DirectX... how can Mantle affect negatively an Nvidia card then, if the card doesn't support Mantle??? The game will just render in DirectX / OpenGL

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the only affect negatively on Nvidia will be faster amd cards that Mantle allows amd cards to work more efficiently

I have a suggestion.

We are looking to fill in some areas with staff to moderate this crap :D. You wouldn't get the ban hammer the first day but at least you could kick people out of this section that do no belong.

PM me if you are interested.

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Come on man!! You are joking !! Tell me you're joking !! are you sure that true audio is a new technology? true audio just a propaganda . if you believe that mantle is here to develop games and support Game developers to make things better? than You are very wrong. mantle found only in order to knock out the competitor (nvidia) and not like what AMD said " Mantle is found and supported to provide best solution to game developers which lead to new experience in games"......this is rubbish. you can return to some of AMD statements that said " when BF4 works through Mantle,Titan well be a joke" when you hear such words do you think they are after support for game developers or to break their only competitor, this won't be understood by anyone except for those who have been following the story from its beginning (Mantle). there is a difference between winning with your own work and winning by breaking others with unfair methods.

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If you're going to blame anyone for Mantle, I'd blame Microsoft. Microsoft have made card maker lives difficult by tying new DX revisions to unpopular OS's, no one cares for Win8 or Win8.1, and Microsoft don't really care for windows gaming. Do you really think Microsoft couldn't have built Mantle? We've been on DX11 for four years, while we were only on DX9 for about three.

When they built DX10 they wiped the slate clean, DX9 and DX10 were held totally apart, Microsoft could have done the same again with DX12 made an even cleaner API, making Nvidia and AMD follow their lead.

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Originally Posted by Handrox

But with eight months of delay ... What removes much of the credit you the dedication.

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Delay? That would imply that AMD planned to release the new GPUs back in February?

AMD and NVIDIA's release cycles aren't syncronised, that doesn't mean either is delayed. Delayed implies it was meant to be released sooner.

The fanboyism and borderline flaming in this thread is getting out of hand, I foresee several news section bans in the near future...

is the official release date tomorrow? Dont know if i should get it or stick to my GTX 780, love the 780 and the drivers, Ive had issues with AMD's drivers before.....hmmm I have this sickness, anytime a newer better video card comes out, i have to have it.

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I wouldnt be surprised to see a Hawaii chip between the 280x and 290.

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I would, at least before March.
Custom/OCed 280x's will take up most of the $300-$399 market and with some of those cards nipping at the heels of GTX780, there wouldn't be much room to squeeze a longterm Hawaii LE, if R9 290(Hawaii PRO) is ~$449-$499 and is roughly GTX780 performance. Obviously that might change as the market changes...

Remember, ideally, you shouldn't be binning very many of those chips if you are hitting your projected yields. It usually takes a good number of months for them to build enough inventory to release, especially since they need a decent supply if they intend to sell them for awhile since they are usually priced extremely competitively compared to the rest of the market.

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Take out a dozen or so ATi fanboys and it's all good again.

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Yesssss yes yessss, because a thread about Ati GFX should be cleared of those ati fans ...
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Come on man!! You are joking !! Tell me you're joking !! are you sure that true audio is a new technology? true audio just a propaganda . if you believe that mantle is here to develop games and support Game developers to make things better? than You are very wrong. mantle found only in order to knock out the competitor (nvidia) and not like what AMD said " Mantle is found and supported to provide best solution to game developers which lead to new experience in games"......this is rubbish. you can return to some of AMD statements that said " when BF4 works through Mantle,Titan well be a joke" when you hear such words do you think they are after support for game developers or to break their only competitor, this won't be understood by anyone except for those who have been following the story from its beginning (Mantle). there is a difference between winning with your own work and winning by breaking others with unfair methods.

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Trueaudio is not any breakthrough yea, but audio capabilities from vista forward were cut by the balls ,and noone since then made anything in terms of HW accelerated 3d sound! So in that regard IT IS VERY IMPORTANT DUDE!Sound capabilities on PC gaming SUNK from vista :[, ANYBODY trying to do something about it should be applauded!If it will be successful nvidia will follow and the rest.And it IS being implemented in some game engines, its not hot air technology :-) .I really urge you to read about it before takin the hammer down on it.
Mantle, again, you probably didnt read the in depth articles about it.
1st thing first, it wont break anything for anyone!As it is just ANOTHER (apart from DX11) way of utilising ATI cards.There will be BOTH.DX11 for NV and Ati, and Mantle for ATI.Games utilising Mantle (which will be pretty rare i would imagine) will be more compatible and run faster on it, thats all.
2nd thing, no features will be added, its just a more optimal way of doing THE SAME things, thats in a stark contrast to physx, which FORBIDS some actual eye candy on ati cards!So whos the bad guy here ?
And 3rd, PROBABLY, it will mean faster reaction times of developers and catalyst team with any games that dont work optimal on some ati hardware.Thats GOOD.
AMD CANT break NV in any way with this, they just get the leg up frame rate wise in those titles, they PAY for it with development time and money, all for more optimal usage of cards that WE pay for.AND, NV can make just the same thing.And they probably will.
Who wins on all this ? We, both NV and AMD fans (fanboiz are always losers it seems).
Let me repeat that clearly, AMD IS NOT BREAKING NV compatibility in any way!Not more than the nvidias "the way its meant to be played" program has.(and probably a lot less).

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I wouldnt be surprised to see a Hawaii chip between the 280x and 290.

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Thats whats im waiting (and hoping) for, Hawaii LE, maybe with 384bit bus, but trueaudio enabled.

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I have a suggestion.

We are looking to fill in some areas with staff to moderate this crap :D. You wouldn't get the ban hammer the first day but at least you could kick people out of this section that do no belong.

PM me if you are interested.

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my cat also looks like yours just mine have orange colored nose... will this look good on my cv? i need that ban hammer.

I'm enthusiastic that this thread will be restored to its intended focus. I encourage discussion and speculation, and comparison to the Gtx Titan which may be this generation of cards competition in a technical aspect. Please refrain from arguing in the news section especially about matters that do not directly pertain to the article or focus of the thread.
I DO however invite these discussions to be taken to appropriate sections of this forum, as long as proper respect is shown for all participants.
This will be my last post on the matter in this thread.

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I'm asking for a logical reason they wouldn't have launched Titan or GTX780 in 2012 if everything was ready for launch... Not a one can be given.

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Because Tesla sells for more. They could have released GeForce cards, but that wouldn't be as profitable as selling them as Tesla.

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Originally Posted by figuretti

you can render your game on Mantle, OpenGL or DirectX... if your card is based on GCN, then the game can use Mantle, if it's not, then will use OpenGL, DirectX... how can Mantle affect negatively an Nvidia card then, if the card doesn't support Mantle??? The game will just render in DirectX / OpenGL

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Developer resources can be very limited.
If a game is made for consoles, and porting it to Mantle is straightforward, then Mantle version may end up being well-developed, and generic DirectX / OpenGL one - not so much.
But I guess we have to wait and see.

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Delay? That would imply that AMD planned to release the new GPUs back in February?

AMD and NVIDIA's release cycles aren't syncronised, that doesn't mean either is delayed. Delayed implies it was meant to be released sooner.

The fanboyism and borderline flaming in this thread is getting out of hand, I foresee several news section bans in the near future...

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If we follow the latest releases from AMD, we find that their usual products reached the market between late December and beginning of January.

AMD is rather late. In January this year, when they left the rumored launch of the partners was a note saying that AMD did not launch anything because they had their warehouses crowded GCN. Remember that?

This is not fanboy conversation, it is a reality. AMD is delayed.

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Yesssss yes yessss, because a thread about Ati GFX should be cleared of those ati fans ...
:rofl:

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I was talking about the news section as a whole. I just can't stand them ATi boys, they're annoying as hell.

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If we follow the latest releases from AMD, we find that their usual products reached the market between late December and beginning of January.

AMD is rather late. In January this year, when they left the rumored launch of the partners was a note saying that AMD did not launch anything because they had their warehouses crowded GCN. Remember that?

This is not fanboy conversation, it is a reality. AMD is delayed.

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You can be only late if you announced you will be there earlier, at least in roadmaps meant for clients.
Maybe i dont understand your post, but i think you meant that in january this year they didnt launch anything.However they werent meant to on the same node.Nodes are late.AMD`s cpu division seems to be always late.But hawaii launch is hardly late.Its more of a surprise in all as "late".

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You can be only late if you announced you will be there earlier, at least in roadmaps meant for clients.
Maybe i dont understand your post, but i think you meant that in january this year they didnt launch anything.However they werent meant to on the same node.Nodes are late.AMD`s cpu division seems to be always late.But hawaii launch is hardly late.Its more of a surprise in all as "late".

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AMD Confirms Radeon HD 8000 Delay

AMD Radeon HD 8000 series could be delayed until Q2 2013

AMD Changes Radeon Graphics Roadmap, Delays New Product Launches Till Late 2013.

The delay was more than characterized. :)

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is the official release date tomorrow? Dont know if i should get it or stick to my GTX 780, love the 780 and the drivers, Ive had issues with AMD's drivers before.....hmmm I have this sickness, anytime a newer better video card comes out, i have to have it.

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I know the feeling all I use my gtx 780 for is browsing forums and watching movies, I dont bother with games much during the last year but still I feel that I need to watercool the whole system :/ its an addiction I quess

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Thats whats im waiting (and hoping) for, Hawaii LE, maybe with 384bit bus, but trueaudio enabled.

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with 48 ROPs, or what Tahiti should've been. More likely that they would disable it to 448-bit bus though, reminds me of gtx260 from way back.

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I was talking about the news section as a whole. I just can't stand them ATi boys, they're annoying as hell.

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I dunno, perhaps they're just as annoying as those nVidiots who keep on blabbering about how insignificant AMD graphic products are, how they are so damn late, how :banana::banana::banana::banana:ty loud, how broken those drivers are, how useless true audio and Mantle API are, how EVIL an API that can optimise & differentiate a graphic card is, etc etc. In an AMD graphic card thread nonetheless ......

But perhaps your glasses are too green colored to see that clearly & impartially ..... :ROTF:

Here are several UPCLOSE pics of the 290X
http://videocardz.com/46741/radeon-r...pictured-close

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^ like i said AMD probably needs something in between the 280x and 290... ^

but the way they price it could solve that. a $399 Hawaii would be a nice solution.



so not tomorrow? this week?

according to that article from Videocardz I posted, the date will PROBABLY be the 18th.

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^ like i said AMD probably needs something in between the 280x and 290... ^

but the way they price it could solve that. a $399 Hawaii would be a nice solution.

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That's what the overclocked/custom 280x's are for, like the 280x Toxic @ 1150mhz.
Obviously it is not going to have a lot of headroom left and we know GTX780's overclock very well but they do offer near 780 performance at ~$350.

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yo , I'm an owner of AMD HD 7990 Card,

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But yet.

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there is nothing spectacular on 290X, it is power hungry and noisy monster with performance of 8 months old Titan, nothing more. But for better price.

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I agree with you

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Tell me you bought that 7990 at the super discounted prices going around and were drinking at the time and that power hungry and noisy monster did not matter to you at the time.

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happy sacrifice holiday for all muslim members.

i've wanted to sacrifice a 290x but i think 600kg bull is equaly appropriate.:p:

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But yet.




Tell me you bought that 7990 at the super discounted prices going around and were drinking at the time and that power hungry and noisy monster did not matter to you at the time.

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At 1000 dollars, the 7990 had a stupid price for such a late card.

At 800, is was definitely worthy of your consideration if the 7970's weren't so cheap.

At 560 dollars and 8 games, it really has striking performance for the price. Enough to even offset titan, gtx 690, 780 or 290x for that matter because you know the 7990 is going to out perform most of those cards aside from the gtx 690(which is priced at 1 grand anyways).

Its priced to the point where your willing to overlook a lot of flaws. I was tempted even after my horrible experience with 4870x2 and 4890s.

Heck maybe it was AMD plan all along to price it at 1 grand so when the price drop came, the price drop was just that much more dramatic.

But anyways, I am pretty certain out of all the owners of the cards I mentioned above, 7990 owners who got the card for around $560 are going to be the least remorseful after Hawaii product launch.

25% better performance than Titan at 500 dollars with a conservative valuation of the bundle is honestly crazy value. Of course there is cons with crossfire, but man that value is strong.

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happy sacrifice holiday for all muslim members.

i've wanted to sacrifice a 290x but i think 600kg bull is equaly appropriate.:p:

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yeah, happy aid al adha to you too, mate. a bull is too costly i am afraid, but at least it is not an elephant in the room ala Titan. :D

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happy sacrifice holiday for all muslim members.

i've wanted to sacrifice a 290x but i think 600kg bull is equaly appropriate.:p:

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thank you happy holiday to you too... and if you will sacrifice a 290x let me know :D .

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thank you happy holiday to you too... and if you will sacrifice a 290x let me know :D .

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ha ha i know someone will understand the joke.sacrifice 290x is not destroying card like amd fixer video.i mean i will give away to poor person.

yeah i can use some help i don't know any poor people in my area.if you know a poor person i will send a card to you but are you sure you willing enough to give the card to poor person?free 290x like that yellow ring.probably you will get out card from case everyday and say my precioussss.:)

3 of us are kidding you can't sacrifice an elephant.sheep ram goat cow bull and camel only and of course you can't sacrifice a graphic card but i wanted to you know sacrifice holiday is not about killing animals, it's about helping poor people and about family and relatives and friends.this forum is like family.

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ha ha i know someone will understand the joke.sacrifice 290x is not destroying card like amd fixer video.i mean i will give away to poor person.

yeah i can use some help i don't know any poor people in my area.if you know a poor person i will send a card to you but are you sure you willing enough to give the card to poor person?free 290x like that yellow ring.probably you will get out card from case everyday and say my precioussss.:)

3 of us are kidding you can't sacrifice an elephant.sheep ram goat cow bull and camel only and of course you can't sacrifice a graphic card but i wanted to you know sacrifice holiday is not about killing animals, it's about helping poor people and about family and relatives and friends.this forum is like family.

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Its a noble gesture but in this case, I think you should focus on quantity and not quality.

Your better off giving multiple cheaper graphics cards to poor people as you help more people who really can appreciate it. A person that can afford to buy the newest games to take advantage of the 290x and the CPU to feed it are likely well enough off that they could buy a 290x themselves.

Plus there is the power supply considerations for such a high powered systems.

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AMD Confirms Radeon HD 8000 Delay

AMD Radeon HD 8000 series could be delayed until Q2 2013

AMD Changes Radeon Graphics Roadmap, Delays New Product Launches Till Late 2013.

The delay was more than characterized. :)

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I understand your sentiment, however all 3 articles you linked were pure speculation on the writers side, at least it seems that way, read them.They write about Radeon 8000 series, they use codenames that never fruited with any products, 8000 series was a OEM rebrand.The "delay" was written about because all editors EXPECTED new chips in the roadmaps,but were faced with the same chips.However roadmaps itself were pretty disappointingly showing,well, what we got.
In other words, when AMD knew that new node wont be available, they looked at their lineup and were pretty much satisfied with what they got.
If you look at this:
http://hothardware.com/newsimages/It...c_roadmap1.jpg

It wil become apparent,that there was a one year shift in both companies, and thats because 20nm is late.
Nvidias whole 7xx lineup is just a rebrands with boosted clocks also.Amd did Ghz editions, they did Boost editions, and introduced tahiti LE and a brand new chip in the 7790,and now hawaii.Its the same really.
So, almost a year ago AMD said their lineup will be stable throughout 2013.And it was.

Guys!!!

http://www.chiphell.com/thread-878018-1-1.html

Can someone translate some info??? I don't understand why they have 2-3 screens of 3D Mark 11 P & 2 screens of the X (from the image I cannot see if there is an OC or not)

Edit: the only thing i can see clearly is that X5700+ score!

Edit 2: european price (?) http://uptiki.altervista.org/_alterv...gr97mnlrbw.jpg

looks like no OC

P13770

X4580
X5728

9546
4859

the guys on OCN make a good post with good sized images too

http://www.overclock.net/t/1434320/t...lts-from-china

from the post I see there..

- GPU-Z version doesn't read correctly the GPU info
- First benchmarks in 3D Mark 11 are with i7 4770K & GPU stock clocks
-- Performance Score 13K
-- Xtreme Score 4.5K
- When the card OC to 1150 core / 1250 mem (mem in stock really) GPU-Z read's 93? C max temp... but with fan below 50% (silent mode with OC & auto fan maybe?)
- When OC, the card scores 5.7K in the Xtreme Score of 3D Mark 11 (apparently CPU is in stock clock)

Anyone knows the score for 780/Titan on a 4770K (all stock, to make comparisons)

PS: sorry if my english is a little complicated to understand... i'm fighting without my Google Translate master xD

So the 512bit memory doesn't overclock much? Pretty big jump for just GPU clock. This would be a monster with 1500mhz memory overclock.

http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-r9-29...marks-exposed/

So ,pretty much what we expected, Stock something along the lines of titan,maybe a tad slower.And after OC faster than titan.
A nice surprise is the OCed R290, it beats OCed 780 while being much cheaper.

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So ,pretty much what we expected, Stock something along the lines of titan,maybe a tad slower.And after OC faster than titan.
A nice surprise is the OCed R290, it beats OCed 780 while being much cheaper.

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yes, but titan is overclockable too, but R9 290X is great card

titan is too overpriced imo. it raised the price bar too much and if amd stops this raise then we should all thank to them.

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So ,pretty much what we expected, Stock something along the lines of titan,maybe a tad slower.And after OC faster than titan.
A nice surprise is the OCed R290, it beats OCed 780 while being much cheaper.

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It will all depend on pricing policy, R9 290X @ US$ 599-649 + R9 290 @ US$ 449-499, then it WILL be a smashing success for AMD (the lower the better). Any $ more expensive, it will basically be a "meh", at least for me. :)

These are my arbitrary numbers, but a $599 290X and $469 290 sounds plenty good, doesn't it ? :D

pconline 290x review: http://diy.pconline.com.cn/363/3631256_all.html

Never Settle coming back to Rx200 cards


source - http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/32...to-rx200-cards

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titan is too overpriced imo. it raised the price bar too much and if amd stops this raise then we should all thank to them.

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Well, the bad thing is that AMD can now charge more money than it would have if the Titan did not exist and seem good value for money.

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These are my arbitrary numbers, but a $599 290X and $469 290 sounds plenty good, doesn't it ? :D

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That would be nice, yeah. We need to back the hell away from $649 mark.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1434404/p...r9-290x-review

Maybe its just me but damn thats unimpressive, if it has any truth to it specially seeing that gtx 780 runnin @ 863 core strong 350 mhz less then most cards can do.

Damn.
This 290X is power hungry and noisy disapointment.

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Well, the bad thing is that AMD can now charge more money than it would have if the Titan did not exist and seem good value for money.

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Yes but if amd enters with better price nvidia will lower prices too. At the end I am sure that prices will settle at a better rate.

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300 Watt for the card under load without overclock!! Holy cow!