Have you seen the vrm temperature with fan for the swiftech/eVGA block ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
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Have you seen the vrm temperature with fan for the swiftech/eVGA block ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
A Noiseblocker M8-S3 HS (2200RPM, 80mm) ziptied to the card over the VRM area brought VRM temperature readings down from 66.4 to 56.9C.Quote:
Originally Posted by Repliquant67
In the overclocked runs (I'll post the charts up in a bit), it dropped temperatures 18C.
If you can fit a fan, it's worth it.
Overclocked results!
GPU Temperatures at 877c/1754s/2130m, 1138mV:
http://skinneelabs.com/assets/images...480_oc-gpu.png
VRM Temperatures at the same settings:
http://skinneelabs.com/assets/images...480_oc-vrm.png
eVGA block with the fan came in at 71.5C for VRM temps.
Any chance of getting memory temps please.
It's fun to see the results becoming more similar at a higher overclock :).
Does anyone know if there is or will be an acrylic top for the AC block?
There's a PCB temperature listed in software that skinnee recorded, but neither of us have any idea what that temp probe is indicative of. It might be memory, it might be some random chip somewhere on the PCB (probably is), who knows.Quote:
Originally Posted by Francis16
I'll get skinnee to throw together a chart for it and I'll post it up in a bit....I'll look into where that temperature probe is/what it means ("WHAT DOES IT MEAN?!?!" -Double Rainbow guy).
The difference between the all TIM and regular AquaComputer blocks are 11C..that's just nuts. Good data as always, now I know which way to set up my blocks!
thanks Vapor
Do we have any idea when a full write up will be ready. While it is nice to see the temps I really want to read over the mounting and all other procedures used including tim application.
Also anyone knows who sells the AC block in the US?!
Yeah, it seems going from thermal pads to TIM is a big improvement in VRM temperatures....but not every block is compatible with TIM (for example, EK is not paste-friendly).Quote:
Originally Posted by SovietKitsch
No problem :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by Francis16
I have no idea what that data says (haven't seen it), so it will be interesting if there's anything to glean from it :)
Each block is getting its own full 4-5 page review and they'll all be released at once, which is the hold up :(Quote:
Originally Posted by zeroibis
There's more data to be posted, but without a proper context to post it in, there's not much point of throwing it up in this thread.
i know it is off-topic but there is no chance that we will see Skinnee here ever again ,am i right?
He will come back in 2 weeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by seeka12
Fugger said his ban will only last 2 weeks.
Skinnee is like the energizer bunny. We have seen it, he will keep going and going and going.
Although he may slow down on the OC side, he will NOT give up the Review Side.
AFAIR, no one in the US sells the Aqua block. I ordered from their online store located in Germany. They offer a nice discount due to no VAT for the US, however shipping seems to be a flat rate 34.90 Euro, or $45US. It does include a backplate, so it's about on par after shipping with the EK + backplate or DangerDen.Quote:
Originally Posted by zeroibis
Ok, thanks for your response. Nice work :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
thanks god,actually i can't imagine not seeing Skinnee here ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
Thanks for letting me know, I would have spent days trying to troll it down.Quote:
Originally Posted by SovietKitsch
Do you know how long the shipping takes?
For the AC block, you guys want to PM Shoggy, he's the dude from AC. Extremely helpful.
Wes
From a thermal pads point of view it seems the EK block has a better design, greater flow rates, GPU temp and VRM temps! I only wish the EK block could use all TIM as I believe since it beat the DD block in the thermal pad area, if it were possible the EK "All TIM" would have been incredible! Me personally I wouldn't touch the restrictive blocks so that leaves only two, the Danger Den and EK FC 480 GTX water blocks. I couldn't imagine running three of the restrictive blocks in Tri-SLI after everything I've learned so far! :eek:
-Systemlord
Did you read this ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Systemlord
Nice!Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
Looks like they all more than adequately cool the necessary pieces. Great work!:up:
*puts flamesuit on*Quote:
Originally Posted by Systemlord
Run them parallel
I placed an order first of July, and it shipped Monday. I have a feeling it was due to me adding on a Kryos waterboock, which was on short order and probably not even complete until very recently. No sign of them yet, I'm hoping either tomorrow or Monday/Tuesday.Quote:
Originally Posted by zeroibis
ROFL!Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
Got my three Koolance blocks sitting next to me in the PerformancePCs package still. They arrived today while I was at work. Also got Windows 7, a new drive, some more sleeving, and some more MX-2! The new build should come together in the next few weeks, I hope!
I knew that the EK blocks would be the best to go with overall, however, the blue LEDs with Koolance just fit my build for that extra bling factor, sorry Eddy!
Pix Pix Pix, put them up in the liquid log section NOW! i demand NOW! :D;)Quote:
Originally Posted by UrbanSmooth
I actually started a thread over in the water cooling section of EOCF. I'll try to bring this thread over to XS sometime this weekend.
Ok, we're here now: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=256162 :up:
Now that hes banned this will never finish. I kind of that it wouldnt anyway. Who in their right mind would get tons of waterblocks to review and never finish. He obviously had the time. I think some sketchy stuff was involed and thus this never made a close. Too bad, soo many views, so little accomplished...
Uhm, dude, if you take a lot at the previous pages, you'll notice a lot of the results are already public. And Skinnee is also still writing the review, it's just so much information ;). For Skinnee, this is probably only a bit of bad publicity, and he might be deterred to do some OC'ing for a while. But he'll be back in two weeks anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by scottc19
So So, but does it really take 3 months and still not have a complete review?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexandr0s
This to me is not acceptable, what are your thoughts?
You aren't paying him, so he can take as long as he wants? :\Quote:
Originally Posted by scottc19
Wait, so he spends his own spare time and money to do these reviews for us, only for you to critisize him because he's taking so long?Quote:
Originally Posted by scottc19
If you're so unhappy about his working pace, why don't you go write your own extensive review with 8 different blocks, 10 different configurations, probably around 5 mounts per block, and a crapload of more stuff :rolleyes:?
+1 :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexandr0s
Couldnt of said it any better dude.. Its true though ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexandr0s
The question is not acceptable.Quote:
Originally Posted by scottc19
There is no better resource on the net than Skinee labs for parting out your build, each review contains data and information that will not be found anywhere else... and he does it for us at no charge.
He should be commended, not questioned.
I understand though why some are frustrated, but that's due to a small miscommunication and a minor mistake by Skinnee. Originally, this thread was meant as an announcement that there would be a GTX480 block roundup, but because of the large discussion that started here, Skinnee decided to keep it to this thread. It's not uncommon for a review to take up to a month, especially when he's busy. This is the first time however that we've had a heads-up that he was starting testing. Which meant we had to wait untill he was finished, whereas usually, we would only know about the review until it was released. So it's understandable that some people get impatient, that's perfectly normal. We're just telling you, scottc, not to snap at Skinnee, because of your impatience.
I wonder how much those VRM temperatures you've measured with that probe correlate with the real tempeature of MOSFETs. If I were to make such a test of waterblocks I would get a pyrometer with laser pointer and measure the temperature on the back of PCB right under one of MOSFETs. It is also possible to measure the temperature of memory chips. Such a measure would strictly correlate with the real temperature of the component on the face side of PCB.
+1 I wonder as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by @lex
I can only hope that the other companies (EK etc..) start to design their VGA water blocks for TIM use instead of using thermal pads since it makes such a large difference on the RAM and VRMs!
It's actually a little riskier to machine the blocks like that because not all the components (like RAM) are always the same height of the board. Some may make great contact and others total crap contact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Systemlord
Waterlogged: yet imho best results are reachable only with using TIM, and taking #1 or #2 position of performance might give extra boost to sales justifying a bit those risks.
Yet ppl automatically gravitate towards EK because of the bling factor so does it really matter? I'm not disagreeing about the lower temps to be gained but when you already get a fair share of sales, why risk that if ppl all of a sudden start bricking cards for marginally (if not negligibly) better performance?Quote:
Originally Posted by churchy
It would be cool to throw in results of core only gpu and sinks for comparison. That will cut down the myth if any of core>fc for performance.
This test was not designed to find the exact VRM temperatures, but to find the difference between blocks. That's why it's not required to have them precise, but as close as possible. The difference should stay the same when you're in the same area as the VRM.Quote:
Originally Posted by @lex
Or people could just use better performing thermal pads :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by churchy
Investigation of that is for another test and another day (though nothing on either of our radar's), but the provided thermal pads are definitely not all equal among the manus.
That's for another test, which is being put into motion :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Boogerlad
The best tests I've ever seen on the matter are gabe's MCW80 vs. MCW60 vs. eVGA FTW block, where the core blocks + unisink were better for GPU temps. So I'd say that, until further notice, core blocks are probably better :yepp:
Interesting point that you bring up there, Vapor. Where can one find premium performance thermal pads?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
C'mon Scott.Cut him a little slack huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by scottc19
He's a married guy with a more than full time job.
People work on this stuff when they can and also,it's summer time.
People get out more and less time at home..
I was just about to ask the same thing :D. Got any good suggestions or a nice review perhaps :rolleyes:?Quote:
Originally Posted by UrbanSmooth
I don't want to drag it further, but i can't prevent myself from letting the community know that i don't like the time the results went public...
Fujipoly has a zillion options for thermal pads. Not sure where to actually purchase them though...Quote:
Originally Posted by UrbanSmooth
My thought Scott?Quote:
Originally Posted by scottc19
Your one of the new 'Give me NOW" generation and have many years left to learn real common sense and courtesy.:shakes:
You do it next time k?:ROTF:
can anyone create a foot-in-mouth smilie? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by scottc19
Will this one do? :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
Benchmarking and testing takes an inordinate amount of time and just because the parts are free doesn't mean it ever works out in the reviewer's favour. I know 90% of the time for me I could have just worked those hours and bought myself one instead of reviewing it.
We do it for the passion, but sometimes it takes a back seat to real life...
I'll miss Skinnee around here, but I understand why this had to be done. Hopefully he'll be on parole for good behaviour in no time.
My thoughts are Skinnee could have kept quiet about the extensive (ten separate reviews to be exact!:eek:) VGA water block reviews until they were a few days away from completion, then there would be no complaining from those that are inconsiderate and do not realise that no one is paying Skinnee for his spare time! This complaining is not acceptable, what are your thoughts? Give it to me and give it to me now, because I want it now! :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by scottc19
+1, Dont think Ek would risk making the jump..Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterlogged
The bling factor has nothing to do with why people purchased the EK Supreme HF, I bought it for it's performance (on Skinnee's #1 list for CPU blocks) as did everyone else, the bling was just icing on the cake! This could be said for most EK products! :yepp: I don't see people buying their radiators though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterlogged
-Systemlord ~ :)
This topic is about full cover GPU blcoks, not CPU blocks. GPU's are far less temp sensitive than CPU's so there are 2 things that are used to differentiate what block you buy, effect on flow rate and appearance. EK has a decent handle on the restriction and he seems to sell more than a few blocks that bling. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Systemlord
IMO, this whole thing has been an enormous of skinnee's time and I said so in the beginning. ;) :2cents:
WL, so I would like to ask a question about this. I tore down my loop for testing and found that these two Swiftech MCW80's are the most restrictive items in my loop. I'm debating two options:Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterlogged
1) Try to improve flow by using 2 Y splitters and running the two cards in parallel. It will relieve a bad kink and rather inexpensive.
2) Go full coverage; EK's are my first choice. DD or Bitspower are both runners up.
I'm really looking to utilize these two D5's w/EK tops more than they are now.
Can you start a new topic and add at least 1 clear pic of the whole system and 1 clear pic of the GPU area? I'll be more than happy to help you there. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by mlee49
I say parallel with the MCW80s...if for no other reason than a huge difference in price.
:slap:Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
Yeah, I was going to offer pretty much the same advice, just didn't want to do it in a "review" topic. :p: How I would set the bridge up is with 2 DD Delrin T's and 2 DD delrin elbows and either Enzotech or Koolance fittings that would depend on the gap to be bridged.
OT: Vapor, you should have never stepped down. :shakes:
There's 1000+ non-review posts in this thread, a few more won't hurt :lol:
Without knowing the spacing or price interests, not sure how I'd do it...the basic nylon Ys aren't such an awful idea if aesthetics don't mean much. I also like the Koolance SPL-XUFY5B splitter, but it might be too small for this.
You don’t know anything about me, and fair enough I don't know anything about you, but be careful what accusations you make about me . If I was a manufacture I would want a review done in a reasonable amount of time. If someone gave me 10 blocks to review, I understand it will take a while to do it right. I am currently working 45+ hours per week so I know that time can be hard to come by. But 3 months seems like a really long time, I can't believe that the manufactures let him keep the blocks that long? Somehow the pieces aren’t quite making sense. It just seems like a lot of people were waiting for this review and most of those people have already purchased their blocks. A new revision of the cards will probably come out by the time this review gets completed. I suppose its his personal thing to do this review, but announcing it 3 months ago without completion leaves open ends and 70,000+ views that lead nowhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conumdrum
I agree with the other guy, maybe he should have waited until he completed the review to post a thread.
GABE: I wonder if you might feel different if he had one of your blocks....
It says "working thread" in the title.
The length and depth of his reviews are un-equalled in the community, this takes time.
On top of which there are usually several other irons in the fire, Skinnee often has many other parts in testing.
AFAIK, its all done in his own time and at his own expense.
IMO, he can take as long as he wants given no one else is putting this much effort into gleaning the results.
True, a little something is lost on account of the blocks/cards no longer being cutting edge, but this review will still speak volumes in the future. Things like how certain designs correlate to different temperatures and pressure drop, to say nothing of companies' attention to detail and QC. Even if I never use/watercool a GTX480, this is still a fascinating process/review.Quote:
Originally Posted by scottc19
What? GTX 480s? That's so Quarter 2, 2010! I'm waiting for the GTX 480 Dual water block review!
/kidding
OT: One can only imagine a dual GTX480 card with water cooling, with heat being sliced in half clock rates could soar! Skinnee will surely be there for that review as I apreciate all he has contributed to the water cooling community! :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by UrbanSmooth
Scott; No worries. I read many, many of your posts on this forum to decide how your brain works and I even know your shoe size. It's the Internet, I have you pegged. 45 hours a week. Wow. Must be nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by scottc19
Can't believe you'd even question someones efforts and whine. You do it next time. When you drop to a decent 40 hr week schedule.... :ROTF:
Basically, quit bugging Skinnee or do it yourself.:D
It just amazes me when folks talk trash about this review taking a long time. It's not like you're paying for it. And, did you stop to think there's a reason we don't often see comprehensive GPU block reviews? Obviously takes a long time to put it all together.
Ah well - just goes to show, you can't please everyone. Testing truly is a thankless task (can't wait to learn how to do some myself ;)).
I don't wish to bicker anymore. But it is not a thankless task. Look up any reivew in XS, many people show their gratitude and there are many many more viewers and guests that don't physically express it, but deem it useful.Quote:
Originally Posted by shazza
Well I got my Koolance block installed, i'm idling at around 32~33 and hitting around 44 at full load (stock clocks). All I have in my loop is my i5 at 4.2ghz and the GTX480, so far I'm pretty impressed with the block. I wish I had a proper camera, I would try and take some nice photos :)
nice results coldon
@waterlogged, you had any problems with the new black n gold enzotech fittings? They sure do look promising..
I have to agree with so. So many thanks has been given in this thread, yet when one person comes along and acts ungrateful, every thank you is forgotten and reviewing gets called a thankless task.Quote:
Originally Posted by scottc19
so.. looking at those graphs it looks like to me the aqua computer with all TIM is the winner? and buy winner I mean the block which has the lowest temp for an oc'ed GPU and VRMs.
Very nice! I just sold my 5870 and now I'm about to pull the trigger on a 480 gtx. Prices have gone down, somewhat, and skinnee finished the review just in time! I could have waited another month and still would have been grateful for the review. Well done Skinnee! :clap:
You guys complaining about how long this has taken need go troll elsewhere.
I don't wish to bicker either - but my comment was directed at more than one person complaining about the time the review was taking. And - the thankless task comment was obviously to make a point - and was again, meant to encompass other reviews besides this one. I was cranky yesterday, so probably didn't do a good job of making my point :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexandr0s
Very Nice results. I am at about the same for idle but my full load after looping Vantage for my Number 1 card hits 48C and the other 2 cards stay at 44-45C while looping Vantage. I have never seen it get past 44C while gaming though :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Coldon
So is the Koolance block ok with ALL TIME use? Anyone?
Do you guys have any idea how long a gpu block test takes?
Do you know how many of Skinnee's close friends told him, he was digging himself a grave in both hobby and that gpu B4 he took the test?
Do you guys KNOW he already assumed he would lose the 480GTX after the testing was done?
*sigh*
Honestly the only person in this thread who is allowed to talk smack to skinnee is ME.
Why? Because I was the one pissing him off since day 1 telling him:
1. Gpu blocks are insanely long and tiring.
2. Your gonna fry your 480GTX... end of story.
3. Good luck dont get burned out.
You guys are seroiusly lucky he finished it.
Now cut skinnee some slack people.
He's had a terrible month.
As i said.. he had bets going on him saying HE WOULDNT FINISH.
Yet he proved us all wrong.
This is coming from his close friends...
Dude,Quote:
Originally Posted by scottc19
2 points:
1. Did you pay for this review?
If not, you have no right to demand anything.
2. Did Skinnee promise a deadline?
If not, there's nothing to hold him to.
Point is, we take independent reviewers for granted.
Wes
Point is - each of such throlling post gets multiplied by too much responses. Each time. Many of them. I wonder if such lame remarks shouldn't be simply ignored for better result? Even though i moraly side with those getting angry with lamers who never help / pay in any way yet demand to work even harder / faster those that work unpaid spending lot of time / nerves / own money for community sake .. but reading yet another page in thread filled with such responses is getting tiresome reading it again and again.
Got both of my Aqua blocks today. They look AMAZING. Really clean and sleak. Not too heavy either!
So onto installing...one screw in and the standoff nearest the GPU area snapped off.
Exactly like what happened during THIS review.
Sigh.
Damn that sux... To bad it's one nearest the GPU.Quote:
Originally Posted by SovietKitsch
Is Skinnee permanently banned and for what?
His reviews where one of the best and helped me alot when making my decision on components.
I tried doing the DD block with just TIM and well, i guess it didn't work for me. the block just would not sit flush with the VRMs... when i used a flashlight i could see a gap between the block and VRMs. :( i went as much as making it as tight where the card would actually start to bend.. :eek: anyways.. i guess its like the lotto? maybe some people will be lucky and get a block that is more thicker and be able to touch the VRMs. :shrug: well, at least i gave it try.. :up:
Exactly, and that's why they are still shipping with thermal pads. Good thing you have taken a close look at it before plugging everything :D Unless you are getting the same reference model as the manufacturer used for block measurements, you cant count on everything to fit perfectly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Erdrick1980
My guess would be yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by xeon_1
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=256007
I've heard that he's gonna be unbanned soon. If my memory serves right, in some two weeks? I'm too lazy to search.
Yup, two weeks if nothing changes.Quote:
Originally Posted by churchy
Im thinking about ordering one of these, but now I have concerns about the quality of the block. Do you think the standoff broke because of quality control issues?Quote:
Originally Posted by SovietKitsch
This is for anyone else that buys an Aqua block.Quote:
Originally Posted by SovietKitsch
Check your standoff's to see if they sit against the block before installing it, if any of them don't, it's very likely that that particular hole didn't get drill or tapped deep enough and the screw end is already hitting bottom. If you can figure out which it is (drilled or tapped) and honestly feel you can fix it yourself, go ahead and try. . .otherwise, RMA it, because it will break or not allow proper contact.
http://spyderclan.net/007sCrap/Murde...quaBlock/1.JPG
http://spyderclan.net/007sCrap/Murde...quaBlock/2.JPG
It snapped clean off. The marks on the standoff were from my pliers holding it in place while I took the screw out. Other than that, it looked like it had never been actually attached.
However, the other block fit on perfectly. You just have to be very, very careful when screwing everything together. I haven't had a chance to put it into my loop yet, although I look to do that soon!
just chiming in because I got Koolance blocks for my 470s and am very happy with them... getting 30c idle and 40c - 45c (820/1640/1900 w 1.087v) gaming load (dep on the game).. the top card which is a frame buffer for two displays seems to run about 1 or 2c warmer than the bottom on even though it gets the coolant first and I have fans move air around and between them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Section8
OCCT makes the cards hit 60c after a while... never seen even close to that while gaming though.
one thing I noticed about the install with my 470s, I had to use the thicker (pink) thermal pads for the areas over the chokes on my cards otherwise there was a tiny gap I could see with a flashlight between some of the chokes and the pad... I had to take one block off and start over, but only burned about 15 or 20 mins really.. don't know if you guys noticed the same on the 480 or not..
Anyways, on the whole nice looking and good performing blocks from Koolance!
Before I post up my Koolance GTX 480s, can anyone confirm that the thin pads will be fine for the GTX 480s over the thick ones, using the Koolance GTX 480 blocks?Quote:
Originally Posted by revenant
I would definitely use the black thinner pads for the mem and vrm areas... they seem to be better at conducting heat, not just because they are thinner but they are more "gummy" and likely make a better seal on both sides (block and chip). Seems like from all the videos and write-ups I read the dark pads were used... I only used the other pads in 2 spots on each block because some of my chokes were clearly not making contact with the dark pads.. all of the other components made excellent contact with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by UrbanSmooth
another note on the white/pink pads.. they only have one side that peels off, the side that is pink is like a heat conducting fabric and it does not come off. I put that side against the choke tops and the sticky side on the blocks.
edit: here's a pic showing the two spots I used the other pads on.. the deepest recessed areas on the blocks. this will obviously be different on a 480 block
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e4...G/P1020147.jpg
Cool, rev, thanks for the great shot there.
The Koolance grey pads worked fine on all area's of my 480's. Temps are 34-36 at idle and 48-49 on both cards under load. Running a full hour of OCCT put the cards at about 58-60.
To the poster above asking whether or not the LED's can be changed, yes they can. In fact, Koolance sells other colors and Performance PCs carries them. The orginal 3mm LEDs I purchased from FrozenCPU did not fit all that well, but the Koolance LED's fit fine with a small dap of glue to hold them in place. The only downside is they do not plug into the video card, they use a 4pin molex connector for power. If you wanted to get fancy though, you could always just change the LED in the original cable. Mine are red.
Thanks for the photos! I'll be looking for problems when I receive my blocks. :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by SovietKitsch