What? :confused: Did I post something wrong? :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by ReverendMaynard
Cheers for the settings dude, I'll give them a try asap.
Does anyone know what "stock" voltages are on this board?
What? :confused: Did I post something wrong? :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by ReverendMaynard
Cheers for the settings dude, I'll give them a try asap.
Does anyone know what "stock" voltages are on this board?
Oh, and are those the settings that are stable for you up to 475MHz?
word!
Well in that case then, either my Quad or my board SUCKS because I can't get 435MHz stable with those settings, let alone 475MHz... :(
don't give up that easily man lol, do some adjustments and find that sweet spot.
Lol. I'm pretty sure it's this Quad with a silly low FSB Wall. Every setting I try, settings I know work (from my Maximus Formula and Blitz Formula work) fail to do a thing. I can get 425MHz stable with 1.4v North Bridge and 2v Ram but even after increasing the voltages to what I know these parts can take, it just craps out @ 430MHz now...
Stupid new Quad...
Any idea how to read the Northbridge volts and temps? And also what is stock voltage for this board?
Quote:
Originally Posted by kup
out of curiosity, what's the VID on that quad?
As for stock voltages and where to read them...lol I've never ran it at stock.
try a higher PLL maybe?
This Quad is 1.325v VID, it's one of the new 2008 batches, L801A876 to be exact and far it sucks royally...
Everest lists the stock voltage for the P35 as 1.25v so I guess that must be it...
Ouch man...that quad is going to suck up the volts like pasta. Slam the vcore and PLL to it lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by kup
After checking everest myself, and a few sites....1.25v is correct.
Tell me about it... My first EVER Quad had a VID of 1.2375v and can run 24/7 100% @ 3.9GHz on air with ~1.6v... EVERY Quad I've had since then has been 1.3v+ VID and stopped dead @ 3.5GHz'ish... Most annoying... :mad: :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ReverendMaynard
Anywho, getting to the bottom of my trouble now...the ram seems to be acting up, usually 100% stable @ these clocks/timings but not anymore! :( Increasing the voltage a bit to see how it'll do...
Got some D9 Ram coming tomorrow so fingers crossed it'll play MUCH nicer as it can do 800MHz 4-3-3-12 @ 2.25v! :cool:
I have an 8400Quote:
Originally Posted by kup
4x1GB Kingston HyperX 8500
Multi Auto
Strap 333
FSB 444
Mem 1067
Transaction Booster Enabled [3]
Everything else on AUTO
LoadLine Calibration AUTO, with this enabled I can set the CPU voltage to 1.300, my chip needs about 1.288 to be stable under load.
Voltages
CPU 1.350
PLL 1.50
RAM 1.8
FSB 1.1
NB 1.25
SB 1.025
*All voltages are at the lowest settings other than CPU, either I have a cherry board or everyone else is running their volts too high on this board. On the Maximus I need to up the NB to 1.55+ for the same settings, in fact I cannot get the Maximus to run stable @ 1067 for memory without excessive volts.
This is 24x7 stable, PRIME Blend and Small.
you're running a 45nm dual core....think about it.
Given up on FSB for now. Trying the Quad @ 3.4GHz... :D
BTW, does anyone know if the aerial connector on the Premium is the same as the Belkin PCI cards? My Premium was missing the aerial in the box and I cba to RMA it just for the aerial but I may as well pick up an aerial with better range if I can find one to fit...?
thanks for posting the bios im using it dont seem any better or worse then again im using a 65mn chip not even a quad
Rich
435MHz fine now (still testing for more) with some nice D9 ram... :D
Man the beta seems worse than 0504. I was able to do 420fsb on the q9450, but on the new beta 400 is the limit. I'm gonna sell the chip. I'm not spending more money on motherboards.
That sucks! :( What is the best bios before 0504 for FSB? 0504 seems to have the nicest layout within the bios (for ease of use I mean) but I just don't know how it compares to the older bios?
450MHz Priming now. 1.4v vNB and vFSBT and vPLL on Auto for now...
situman try some more tweaking before you give up
Rich
Nah I just don't have as much time as I use to between work and MBA and crap.
well there may be another bios come yet also and may oc better
Rich
Newegg doesn't even have this board listed anymore...It took them well over 4 months just to semi release this beta.
Wow, i thought my quad was bad with a 1.3Vid, and taking 1.44v to run stable at 450x8...
But my mobo is working great, its stable at the lowest voltages on everything except mem and core. :)
1.325v VID and needs 1.464v for 3.4GHz... :down:
Well that was quite a read. I just want to say hello to everyone and thanks for all the helpful info in this thread. I just built my system and it fired right up for me. I was able too flash the bios to 504 which more or less fixed how the board saw my x3350.
Info on my P5K-P is as follows .... PCB made in Taiwan 7/07. Mixed caps. Shipped with bios 204. No disk errors( I am running in ide mode tho)
My x3350 runs at 1.0-1.1v at stock. I did overclock to 400fsb for a day to test the chip. It ran about 10C warmer and used 1.21v.
Thats about it for now. I will keep you posted as I get more time with it.
well the 0612 is up now no longer a beta 9450 quads are supported the c1.s i think its save to say its a good bios im using the beta and having no problems
Rich
Official ASUS Site still 0504Quote:
Originally Posted by w2richwood
sorry but 0612 on the site i log in in usa it will be thereQuote:
Originally Posted by jonny_ftm
Rich
i think the best bios for now is the 0404. at least for 4 dimm memory overclocking.
with 0504, i cant even boot up with 900ish mhz ram, 5-5-5-15, 4 dimms
but, with 0404, i can boot into windows 1200mhz 5-5-5-15 2.05v vdimm, and run everest mem test. now i am using 455*9 (4095mhz) and 1129mhz ram 5-5-5-15 2.05v 4 dimms.
quite happy with it.
and ya, but the only disadvantage is the lack of .5 multiplier support.
i have a 77xxxxxxxx, and rev 1.xxQuote:
Originally Posted by jonny_ftm
so i guess it wont work nice with wd hds?
There's no 1.xx version, all are 2.0G. But, 77xx stock is much a mix than 78xx for SATA controller issues as heavily well reported on ASUS forums. I want also to say it again: it is not a user mis-understanding, these problems are hardware related. Some assemblers here even state on their web page for the P5K Premium: not compatible with WD/Samsung drives to avoid RMA chargesQuote:
Originally Posted by haoster
Any deeper tests on this new bios update, 0612?
Everest RAM performance, stability with OCCT in RAM mode, overclocking...
Just wanted to add to my previous post about my new WD640's working on my board. Well they were working when I was transferring from my raid array (running from areca raid card) to the WD640's, but when I try to transfer from my raptors (running on ICH9) to the WD640's (also on ICH9), the transfer either fails completely or takes forever.Quote:
Originally Posted by haoster
Seems like any data moving just across the board's controller is a no go for me.
i did some brief test on the 0602.Quote:
Originally Posted by jonny_ftm
not too much difference on oc the cpu. i can still get my 8400 stable with my 0404 settings. 4140mhz at 1.368v(460*9).
for memory, id say its between 0404 and 0504. 0504 overclocks memory like crap, especially for 4 dimm. also it has very low performance in everest. with the 0602, i can get my 4 dimms crucial ddr2-800 4-4-4-12 d9s stable at 1100mhz 5-5-5-15, transaction booster enabled 2 (performance level 7) at 2.05v vdimm, 1.4v north bridge, 1200mhz 5-5-5-15 2.05v vdimm boot into windows. also, memory performance in everest is between 0404(highest) and 0504(lowest).
read write copy lantency
9361 9757 9036 53.8
imo, the 0604 is the best bios for p5k-premium.
the 0602 is now officially released on the asus website:
P5K Premium/WiFi-AP BIOS 0612
Improve ATAPI CD-ROM's compatibility with EZ-Flash.
Support new CPUs. Please refer to our website at: http://support.asus.com/cpusupport/cpusupport.aspx.
Add [7 DRAM Clocks] in [CAS# Latency] option.
Add some items for [REF Cycle Time].
Enable better support for FSB1600/DDR-1200 combination.
Enable CPR support for CPU Ratio control.
Fix C1E, TM and EIST can't be disabled issue.
Add option [60 DRAM Clocks] into [REF Cycle Time] setup item.
Fix when using Conroe 3.0GHz CPU with FSB1333MHz the system may not resume from S3.
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/1096/0602rg4.jpg
i think i have the sata problem when using the 0404 bios. it took me 2 hours to install windows vista from a dvd..Quote:
Originally Posted by jonny_ftm
with 0504, it seemed the bios fixed the problem.
also, it looks theres less problem with sata port 2,3,4,6...
i am so confusing, right now i need more storage for my videos, dunno if i should take the risk for a "maybe better performance" wd or samsang drive...
Wonder what is the latest manufactured board out of Asus' factory? Anyone gotten a board with serial number starting with 8 yet? :)
mine is 79 got it in feb. o8 so they maybe out who knows
Rich
I'm on bios 0612 now,i'm getting some crucial 8500 tracers tommorow to replace my 6400 reapers,which are a bit poo for oc'ing.I'm hoping to get more than 900 out of the tracers,which i've heard nothing but good things about.
Apart from that,my board is fine,its been stable for months at 3.6gz,using samsung drives(sp2504's,not raided).At some point i fancy trying the matrix raid.
My board is a 79xx/v2.00g btw.
Johnny FTM can you link some urls' with the people who had this resolved with 78xxxx boards. I need to be sure these guys as ASUS send me a working board. I'm the guy who's been posting on the ASUS site about my problems with the drive btw.Quote:
Originally Posted by jonny_ftm
I have two 6400AAKS WD drives in RAID0 and I cannot get them to work! I've also tried the 750GB F1 Samsungs
So far I've had the following SN#s
77M0ACKR**** Original Board
77MXACKR**** RMA Board
Someone help!
If the Tracers you get have double side chips they should be the micron GMH or GHX D9s and should be good upto 1200 but Crucial have been changing recently and new stock seems to be sticks with single sided hi density chips which dont clock as well. Matrix RAID0/1 is the way to goalthough you might be better with bigger drives e.g 500gb. depends on how much data you have. You wont get the true benefit if you just setup raid 0 on your drives as the performance gains are from creating a thin slice raid0 for the operating system at begining of the drive. You wont believe the stats from HD tune when you give it a go. Check the thread out for the detail if you havent done so already http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=467848.Quote:
Originally Posted by TI66ER
Unfortunatley the sticks i have are single sided,though they are still better than the 6400 ocz reapers which struggled over 1000mhz.I have the tracers on 1080mhz 5.5.5.15 at the moment,i will be seeing what they can do soon though.
Is that the end of the great clocking crucial sticks then? its a shame if it is.What are gonna be the next big thing then in ram sticks?
I'm gonna change my drives to 2x500gb soon,though i dont have a lot on my pc,if its better with them then so be it.because i'm using samsung drives now,does that mean my board is ok? do samsung drives not work at all on boards with the iffy sata controller?
Thanks for the reply :D
Here a review of the single sided 8500's - same chips as the new tracers. http://www.digitalreport.net/content/view/79/1/1/1/ whilst not as good as the old doesnt look all doom and gloom :) . What are you running SATA at - IDE or AHCI. If already on AHCI you definately wont encounter any problems with using RAID.Quote:
Originally Posted by TI66ER
If you havent got too much data have a go on the 2 x 250GB - be a good test for setting up matrix raid0/1. It the size of the RAID0 that gives the performance and the more drives its spread over the better e.g 4 to give you a RAID5 or 10 configuration. If you use 80Gb(2x40) that leaves you 210Gb for the data cos the RAID1 is mirrored(2x210). Make sure u use the latest storage manager and RAID drivers http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Prod...ProductID=2101 The latest 640GB model drives with higher density platters e.g 320GB will give the best performance /capacity but at a hefty price. Its not really worth it unless you want to be top of the HD tach/Tune tree on the enter the matrix postings! I use Acronis 11 for backup/recovery - I had a problem that the standard recoveryCD couldnt see my drives on the P5k(known problem) but the vendors tech team have now given me a nonstandard ISOrecovery image that works with the p5K premium so I am a happy bunny!
Cool board:D i like this type of desigh:P it is also made to work with watercooling systems as i can see:P really nice:)
http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?...Language=en-usQuote:
Originally Posted by stepinrazor
http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?...Language=en-us
http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?...Language=en-us
Maybe not much conclusive, but it looks like that early models are concerned. In my case, 78 model is ok, my new WD rocks
I can confirm 0612 is better performer on memory on benches and at least as stable as previous versions, didn't try to OC more to see if memory is better.Quote:
Originally Posted by TI66ER
I'll soon edit the tables in my signature with new performance, but expect some 200Mb/s more bandwidth, not much more
is anyone running 4x2gb with this board? I am having problems waking from sleep on my p5k-wifi/deluxe using the gskill. 2gig moduules
I edit my signature link if you click P5K Premium in my signature:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...28#post2777928Quote:
Added Bios 0612 results in table
Updated Bios settings with lower vNB
Some feedback on Ref Voltage for me
WD/Samsung HDD Issues
How's this new bios doing with Q6600 and 4 dimm´s OC'ed?
Any thoughts\experiences regarding this?
Quote:
Originally Posted by sesdave
Speaking of which, I entered the Matrix :)
http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/5...saneny1.th.jpg
2x500g Seagate 32mb cache Barracudas in RAID0+1. 100g for the RAID0 and 400g for the RAID1. OS, programs and games on 0, all backup items on 1.
Wicked fast man, and so far for the $180 that it cost in drives it's totally worth it.
wow nice perforance there glad you finaly did it injoy.i looked back at mine you put me to shame lol
Rich
thanks rich! That test was at stock; after going back to my usual overclock, I gained 500mbps burst lol.
wow i'll have to post my matrix and compare my gsons playing a game on my p5w dh right now so later
Rich
Last nite, my Samsung SH-S203N Dvd-writter starts to behave in a really weird way:
Every time I open the disk tray, it closes itself automatically in couple of seconds, and even when I manage to get a blank DVD into the tray; either Nero freezes or the writing process is interrupted in less than a min.
Then I went to the retailer to get a 203P as a replacement. This time, I even had problem getting the DVD-drive recognized by the P5K-P. After pluging-unpluging the sata cable for like a million times, I finally install the 203P, but same Nero freeze/writing failures occurred. Anyone has a similar problem? BTW, the drive was fine, for the first few months that I used it, this just happened last night.
I am on 0204 Bios and I my Samsung hard drive (the notorious 500GB T166) are running smoothly on Sata Raid 0 in Vista.
Strange indeed...
Did you try different sata ports? Did you try re-installing Nero, or even better and different burning app?
I use SATA2 ports 1-2-5-6 for my 2HD + 2 SATA DVD burners without a problem. Compared to P-ATA, the SATA burners rock as I can use both without any slowdowns on RIP/Burn speedsQuote:
Originally Posted by Dude87
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dude87
i had the same problem before with even 0404 bios. couldnt burn discs with nero, or even recognize the dvd drive. and i also got a bugged board for sure.
solved the problem with later newer bios, 0505 and 0602 both will do. and like jonny_ftm said, use your sate port 1, 2, 5, 6.
Ok, 2 months and half and my OC is still stable
Here are some 3DMark Vantage scores you can expect
http://www.izipik.com/images/2008043..._OC_resize.jpg
I ran Vantage and my submission failed. Since it's a one shot deal I can't run it anymore :(
Hi Sesdave,Quote:
Originally Posted by sesdave
i am using Zalman cooler now. there is a significant drop in the cpu temp. On an average the CPU runs at around 45c under normal load. the max temp it reached when i applied load is 63c. Is this still high? the room temp at my place at this time of the year is near 39c.
I am running my machine at 3.00 Ghz. (333Mhz x 9). I would like to OC it to 3.2GHz if it is safe. please help...
hey there eveyone, i' have one of the earlier boards, but i can't seem to find the serial. where are yours located? i'm thinking of RMA'ing my board, the faulty controller is bugging me on and off. how does the RMA procedure go? how long did yours take? and if i may be so bold to ask, is it possible to RMA for another model, with some form of top up or something, just in case the newer revisions still have this hardware bug, Thanks !
i belive its on the side of one of the pci slots sn 70xxxxxxxxx
Rich
Hi, I tried port 5,6,3 and 2, problem persists. I have 4 HDs, which occupy port 1234 at the moment. Then I installed vista Ultimate on one of the HDs, then the problem disappered in Vista. So i guess my XP was crewed up somehow then....
I have found the 0504 bios quicker than 0612 for me....I am using OCZ ReaperX 4gb kit (2 x 2GB) at 1066 2T 5-5-4-15-3-46-4-3-3 @ 2.0v.
The SRC and Trans. Booster seem to work better on 0504 for me, with increased bandwidth.
NoQuote:
Originally Posted by w2richwood
Serial is on the external box of retail productQuote:
Originally Posted by dingmel
The RMA can take up to 6-8 weeks, unless you use extra paying gold service for fast RMA, you must phone support from ASUS
I don't think you can RMA for other models as they still have much P5K Premium stock
For me (see setup in sig), the performance level of chipset is also worst with bios 0612 than 0504 (7 now instead of 6 with 0504). Despite the worst performance level, the brute tests in benchmarks favor 0612 with my two sticks of RAM.Quote:
Originally Posted by bito
Also, it seems, I need now 1.40v on NB to be stable on my settings where I used to need 1.20v with 0504. At 1.20v on NB, I'm still rock stable OCCT and Prime95 but I have random lockups on windows startup. On 0504, to avoid those lockups at startup I could set 1.20v for NB but needed GTL ref voltage at the maximum. I'll try now to set GTL ref voltage to lowest and see how it goes with 1.40v on the NB
Maybe you could give us some Everest results of memory bandwidth with 4 sticks compared to 0504
wow, sure hope that means that the crappy problems we used to have with the HDD controller and samsungs are fixed with the newer revisions :D looks like i'll have to give them a call. thanks for the prompt reply
End of story: never buy products as they're just out, you'll just be a beta tester in an aftermarkt productive process :rolleyes: Hopefully, not all people will follow this valuable advice, so that the most careful people of us could have some feedback and the producer improve the building process. What happened on the P5K, happens quiet with every product: processors steppings, batches, PCB revisions, memory modules...Quote:
Originally Posted by dingmel
On air these temps are pretty good with an ambient like you have. You really cant afford any volts increase as it will up the temps so if your CPU is upto it try it with increasing FSB to get to 3.2 - 400x8 would give best overall CPU/MB/Memory performance. What your current BIOS setting.Quote:
Originally Posted by vcrajeeb
You been saving up for this moment :D When are you getting another 2 drives to double up the speed by speading over 4 drives :) You may have also seen my post that I finally got a nonstandard recovery ISO of the Acronis tech that works fine on this MB so I can now fully recommend acronis 11 as the tools for RAID0 backup/recovery with this MB :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by ReverendMaynard
I wouldn't necessarily say "saving up" lol, but gathering up the balls to kill my OS. Acrosin is fine, but nothing beats a fresh install :)Quote:
Originally Posted by sesdave
I won't be going RAID0+5 with this rig. This is the last that I will invest in it. Right now, I'm looking forward to the DFI X48 TR3 to make the DDR3 leap and hopefully go HD4870 Crossfire.
BTW...still tweaking and getting results
http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/5...urstjm5.th.jpg
hey there, anyone knows what the GTL Refs do in the Bios? they are different compared to the GTL volt settings on other boards, i'm having a hard time making head/tail of it. i'm thinking its holding my overclock back.
Must admit I dont see the attraction of DDR3 at the price its at. DDR2 is soooo cheap in comparison and no real performance difference on current releases. This board seems good enough for anything I want for now -but if I did think of going down the crossfire/DDR3 route the Foxconn blackops X48 is the one I would be hankering after. http://www.quantum-force.net/news/N000000016/ Its a mean looking mother :cool: http://www.quantum-force.net/Products/P000000004/. I may be tempted!Quote:
Originally Posted by ReverendMaynard
I did a bit of research on the Black Ops, and it was initially going to be my next board, but the layout is not what I'd expect from an elite board. The DIMM slots are inaccessible with a long graphics card in the top slot and it's apparently going for $400 which I swore to myself I would never blow that much ching on a board after my lovely Striker Extreme lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by sesdave
Hey guys, I'm having som serious problems with my P5K Premium Black Pearl Edition (sata HD related). If someone wants to help, please se this thread:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=186865
do you guys think this is normal for a raptor 150g with p5k premium 0602 bios, in ide mode, or it is slow.
i saw many people with rapotrs have higher transfer rate than mine, with ich9 or ich8.
min: 32.6mb/sec
max: 83.4mb/sec
average: 70.5mb/sec
burst rate: 114.8mb/sec
access time: 8.8ms
http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/1663/hdmy4.jpg
http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/1...425cae4671.jpg
also, in the info page of hd tune, it says raptor supports udma 6(ultra ata 133), but mine is running at udma 5(ultra ata 100), is this how it suposed to be? i have searched the bios, but looked like nowhere would allow me to change this setting.
http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/778/hd2zo0.jpg
http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/7...925e7fa347.jpg
I tried increasing the FSB to 400. This lead to increase in core temperature by 6c. It reached a max of 68c under max load and 47c at normal load. I have set the following setting:Quote:
Originally Posted by sesdave
CMOS Ratio : 8
FSB Strap: Auto
FSB Freq: 400
CPU voltage: 1.4375
CPU PLL volt: 1.5
FSB term volt: 1.4
NorthBridge volt: 1.4
I don't know how to try reduce these voltage settings :(.
In reply to haoster, mine is pretty much the same if not worse lol. But do not notice it any other time than running this. My board is 77 serial no :shrug:
http://www.r5jones.aquiss.com/Pictur...AHFD-00RAR.png
http://www.r5jones.aquiss.com/Pictur...T3500320AS.png
Both drives show Ultra Dma mode 5!
Ok, here's some more feedback
The 0612 bios gave me some headache. System was still stable at all bench test suites (Small FFT, OCCT in RAM mode, Vantage Suites...) but I expierienced random lockups at startup with the cold boot issue (usually signing an overclock failure). I think it is related to the RAM voltage. In fact, those extra performance compared to 0504 requiered more volts in my RAM modules.
Having to feed it now about 2.20v instead of 2.10v, I preferred for that voltage to use its full bandwidth.
I set a 4:5 ratio now instead of 1:1 to get a 1186MHz RAM at 5-5-5-15-4-45-8-6-6 (I shall tweak tRAS, trfc and other subtimings in a second time to improve memory copy performance) with 2.25v in the RAM now.
The system is rock stable, as usual (OCCT RAM, Prime95 small FFT, Futuremak suites and F@H). I increased vNB to 1.40 and vFSB to 1.30, all other settings are unchanged. In a second time I will try to set vNB and vFSB at lowest as they were in the setup with my signature
Here are the everest scores now, far better than my previous 950MHz CAS4 on the table in my signature
http://www.izipik.com/images/2008050...186-resize.jpg
So, be advised, if your memory is running at its limits on bios 0504, 0612 may requiere some more juice in the DDR and NB.
Feed you back soon when the system setup is fully stable and the voltages (vFSB and vNB) tweaked to lower values
Ah, forgot to say these performances are explained by the strap... 266 :clap:
Strap 333, CAS5 was crappy performance. Strap 266 at 1186MHz RAM and 475 FSB was not possible on 0504 with low voltages. Now, with bios 0612, this board can sustain those settings. I'll let you know if it handle them with lower vNB and vFSB, even if I'm already happy with stability at the actual voltages. I'll edit my signature soon when 100% finished tweaking
Really, intel should reinvent the P35 instead of flooding us with crappy X38 and X48 chips
Jonny_ftm - I just picked up on something you said in the thread that may help me. I got my P5k BP a couple of weeks ago and it ran fine. Ran for a week w/E6750 @ 7 x 533, then another few days @ 8 x 493. Tried it with an E8500 and got a bios update message. Updated to 0602 (latest at the time), but since then ive not been able to get over 390fsb (same as your P5b limit you mentioned?) stable or any memory dividers stable apart from 1:1 no matter what I do. Lockups, no post, blue screens, everything. I can post at up to 450ish, sometimes 475, but no stability at all. At 390fsb im running default volts, TB enabled +2, static read enabled and 3-3-3-3-2-20-2-2-2-2 timings (2.2vdimm), so mega aggressive. Going the opposite direction or full auto settings doesnt help fsb limit. No voltage changes make any difference either. Have tried diff cpus (E6420/E6750/E8400 and E8500, diff gfx cards (8500GT and 7900GTO), retail cooler and scythe infinity, passive cooled or active cooled, no hdds connected, tried everything and i'm getting nowhere!
I've since tried going back to 0204, 0602 and 0612 with exactly the same results. The only thing I have left to try is an EZFlash or afudos /pbnc flash as I updated using asus update, but I cant see this making a difference really.
Did you ever get to the root problem of your 390fsb wall on the P5b? This sounds very very similar to what im experiencing you see :).
Im currently running at 8 x 390 @ 1.15vcore, so not cpu related. Mobo voltages dont help raise fsb, vdimm and timings have no effect either. Its driving me mad!
Many Thanks.
No, I never could pass that limit. I tried 3 Q6600 chips on two P5B deluxe, two memory types (Corsaire XMS2 PC2-6400 and Kingston HyperX PC2-9600). I never could get OCCT stable in RAM mode on my P5B deluxe above 390MHz and that's on 2 different motherboards
The P5K Premium I own rocks with same CPU and memory. The bios now detects 45nm chips and set some default unchangeable settings for 45nm CPUs, maybe that's causing hassle, as ASUS used to mess every thing with bios updates :down:
Your just unlucky with your CPu - it got a high VID and seems to want a lot of volts to overclock. Most should do 3.2 on stock volts and lowest settings or there about.. So if you want to clock that one you have limited option with your ambient temp. Check to see if the IHS and the HSF are flat. Lap whatever isnt flat. That should get some temp improvement which may give some overclocking headroom. Chilled cooling with your ambients would sort you out - but at a price!.. Overall you would be better off with a 45mm as they run cooler and need less volts. As a last go to try to get volts down and a 3.2 overclock try most settings on auto and see what CPUZ says for volts if it boots. Set the vcore to that voltage plus .025 for vdroop and try again. We can start a process of elimination for settings-lol!Quote:
Originally Posted by vcrajeeb
AI Overclocking: Manual
CPU Ratio Control: Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting: 8
FSB Frequency: 400
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: 800
DRAM Command Rate: 2T
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency: 4
RAS# to CAS# Delay: 4
RAS# Precharge:4
RAS# Activate to Precharge:12
TWR: auto
TRFC: auto
TWTR: auto
TRRD: auto
TRTP: auto
DRAM Static Read Control: disabled
Transaction Booster: AUTO
Clock Over-Charging Mode: AUTO
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
CPU Voltage: auto
CPU Voltage Reference: AUTO
CPU Voltage Damper: Enabled
CPU PLL Voltage: auto
DRAM Voltage: 2.2 or whatever yours need
FSB Termination Voltage: auto
North Bridge Voltage: auto
North Bridge Voltage Reference: AUTO
South Bridge Voltage: AUTO
Advance CPU Settings
CPU Ratio Control: Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting:8
C1E Suppport: disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Vanderpool Technology: Disabled
CPU TM Function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Disabled
PECI: Disabled
USB Configuration
USB Functions: Enabled
Legacy USB Support: Enabled
Hey there xtreme systems - been lurking around for long here, and was on procooling years ago. Long winded post warning.
I just finished overclocking my most recent system, which is based around that nice P5K premium. Mine has some pink caps but the serial (on the last PCI slot) is 7Cxx... ? Serial would point at a newer board but i have 0404 stock BIOS, pink caps and older package.
Anyway, the stock heatpipe went off quickly, replaced by 4 EK waterblocks: NB, SB, mosfets (x2). The looks with the black topped EK blocks are rather good !
My system goes like this:
* 2 watercooling loops
* loop 1: CPU (Wolfdale 8400 under a DTEK Fuzion) + GPU (8800GTX under a Dangerden full cover block), D5 pump, Thermochill PA120.2 rad
* loop 2: NB + SB + Mosfets, DDC pump with EK top, no name chinese 120x1 radiator (looks like the BIX but thicker).
So it's 100% watercooled. I used all EK back plates for CPU and Mosfets mounts, so the mounts are flat, and i could use artic ceramique on the mosfets thanks to the reduced flex.
Temps with everything stock were so low it made me feel guilty. So i decided to aim for 4Ghz.
Flashed the BIOS to 612: good choice, the 45nm specifics are accounted for, and the OC setup is a bit easier.
My 8400 despite its lowish VID of 1.115 or something, requires no less than 1.35V at 3.6GHz and 1.40V at 4.0Ghz ! Got a mediocre sample (series 807... dont remember the rest, it's lapped now).
Some weird things that disturb me:
* 4GHz is totally unstable at 533Mhz FSB or 445MHz FSB ! (went up to 1.45V, no success). My memory is Corsair Dominator rated for 1066 so i didnt even push it (and indeed memtest runs flawlessly).
* I have an "island of stability" at 500MHz FSB. Maybe because it's all even multipliers (8.0x, memory on 1:1, etc) ???
* I cant raise the NB voltage over the default 1.25V, result is no post. The limits seem CPU related anyway.
* I really dont see what the GTL Ref voltages are meant for. They do really nothing at all ? What do the values mean ?
* Same for the Clock Over Voltage thingie (it's on auto)
* The memory timings labels in the BIOS dont match the labels on Corsair site or on CPU-Z. I'm at loss to find the tRC (Bank Cycle Time) which is rated at 22 for my Corsair TwinX 8500C2D (according to the SPD).
Temps now are around 35°C idle for both cores (no stuck sensor, woohoo) and 52-53°C full load under Prime95, with the effective 1.400 voltage (read by CPUZ, that means 1.425 in BIOS). The P5K-P board has that very nice feature to avoid the voltage drop under load, and it works wonders (the voltage is rock stable). The motherboard reports around 36°C now. Ambient is around 29-30°C now (hot day !).
Overall i'm very pleased with that Asus board. Excellent OC options, very user friendly, rock stable, and i love the small features they include to make life easier (like the OC profiles stored in BIOS).
I have a 76xx board and now run matrix raid 0/1 on my 2 old Hitachis - this setup spanks your single raptors for performance. With latest sata drives in a RAID 5/10 setup you can achieve upto 450MBs transfer rates and over 3000 - 4000Mbs burst with matrix setup! If you want best performance from drives do yourself a favour and join the matrix. http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=467848 Reverendmaynard did and he's one happy bunny :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by holwill
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Originally Posted by sesdave
Word ses. Incredibly reliable with that added RAID1 partition. Had a mass power failure last night and it did something to RAID1, but now the Intel Storage Manager is repairing it, without even noticing a glitch....in the Matrix lol.
Yeah - it fun to watch intel doing something right! You really should get Acronis though if you want RAID0 recovery after a partition or total disk fail cos that is striped not mirrored. It works no problems from a partion backup on RAID1 or using recoveryCD and USB RAID0 partition backup in the event of a total drive fail - I assume you have that for you data backup anyway. I dont know of any other software that offers that for RAID.Quote:
Originally Posted by ReverendMaynard
Cant help what appears to be a MB fault. RMA and also ask for your $65 dollars back from the shop that tested it. The premium ICH9R problems and drive compatability are well known and Asus will replace it no problem - your seller should be well aware of that. If they are so smart give them the MB and the raptor and tell them to give it back to you fully operating with the raptor connected.!Quote:
Originally Posted by FWD
it's only my OS and games on the RAID0...no need to buy Acronis. Anyone who puts precious data on a RAID0 set up deserves to lose it ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by sesdave
Oh and we tested some Acronis products for work, nothing even came close to touching ubuntu + fog + PING ;) we image 500+ machine a day.
Only suggested it as before you went Matrix you said you were not keen to reinstall as you had your Vista setup the way you liked it :up: I too would not be using Acronis on an industrial scale - only my games PC . Its cheap and does the job . We use Tivoli and Altiris at work for imaging PCs and servers.Quote:
Originally Posted by ReverendMaynard
do tell? We are still looking for a solid PXE based mass image/data destruct solution. Are you using this in office, or for retail?Quote:
Originally Posted by sesdave
Talking large office - IBm tivoli is a suite of products with numerous functions, imaging and rollout being one of them.Altiris is another products used for servers - they are used in the large financial companies I work for as an Infrastructure PM. Googkle them for more detail - speak to IBM they are always keen to talk when there money involved :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by ReverendMaynard
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Originally Posted by sesdave
lol IBM can kiss my ass. I'm looking for a cheap solution.
Ok, here's my final results with bios 0612, fully tested and tweaked now
Bios 0612 gave me memory performance improvement (cf above posts and my signature link) but I begun getting some random hang-ups on windows startup. During daily use or benching it was still stable Prime95 small FFT and OCCT in RAM mode. I couldn't sort it out increasing vNB and vFSB. Finally, I realized it was memory issue, now needing looser timings (it became unstable) or more voltage (2.20 instead of 2.10v with bios 0504). Since I opted for 950Mhz CAS4 to have 2.10v on my RAM, and since I now had to give it 2.20v, I opted for a larger bandwidth setup (if it has to burn, at least it gets for respected performances :D). Here are my expierience facts
- 8x475 at strap 266 with 1186 DDR2 CAS5 and 2.25v were perfectly stable on this new bios. It also gives a good performance increase compared to strap 333. I didn't need to boost my NB or FSB voltages
- 8x480 at strap 266 with 1200 DDR2 CAS5 and 2.25v needed 1.30v FSB instead of 1.20v to stabilize the CPU at 3.84GHu instead of 3.80GHz without adding vcore. So, now, this is my new setup, still rock stable and no more hang ups on boot.
- My Q6600 is fully stable P95 small FFT at 3.90GHz (9x434MHz) at PLL 1.5v and vFSB 1.30v but a vcore of 1.47v. I couldn't stabilize the 3.9GHz at 8x488 or even 8x485 despite any increase in vFSB, vPLL, vNB... It could be the CPU, the memory or the motherboard limiting me. I'd have to try strap 333 to exclude memory from equation and to loosen NB stress to partially exclude motherboard. Maybe I'll test that later, but no real benefit as I won't gain much CPU speed and the memory will loose performance
Here are screens of this new setup. Note that I opted for shorter periods of benching, especially with OCCT in RAM mode. OCCT will burn the RAM, and I've never seen errors after 2h of run in RAM mode. Also, at the end, you'll find all bios screens for this config
I could tweak the trfc and other subtimings (it seems stable with a trfc of 25 and settings of 5-5-4-10-4-25-3-3-3), but it only gave a poor boost in memory copy/read performance, so not worth going the hassle of OCCT RAM stability sessions to tweak it
http://www.izipik.com/images/2008051..._profile_1.jpg
http://www.izipik.com/images/2008051...-_OCCT_RAM.jpg
http://www.izipik.com/images/2008051...1_-everest.jpg
http://www.izipik.com/images/2008051..._1_-3DMark.jpg
http://www.izipik.com/images/2008051...SuperPI_1M.jpg
http://www.izipik.com/images/2008051...-bios_-All.jpg
I also edited my signature with my actual results, if it could help some one to boost his board
Guys..what is this options?
FSB strap to north bridge
CPU and nb gtl voltage reference
DRAM Static Read Control
Clock Over-Charging Mode
CPU Voltage Reference
CPU PLL Voltage
Load line calibration
with a 450fsb on my E6750 in this mobo, whats values i have to set in this options?
thanks!
I won't go into technical description. There are many threads here covering them, and also anandatech reviews. I'll go rather on important notes:Quote:
Originally Posted by R@ptor =]]
Strap: is NB latencies, the lower will give better memory performance, but can limit memory overclock. So, you need to find the sweet spot using Everest benches to reach a good compromise between memory bandwidth and latencies
GTL ref voltages: are safe to play with, use the maximum setting, than when stable, try to lower them. On a C2D they won't impact much, so keep them on smallest setting
Static Read Control and Booster: are related to memory performance level and latencies: you have to find, like with strap, the best spot for performance. Usually, activating both on very high memory overclocks is impossible
Clock Over-Charging Mode: Keep lowest setting on the P5K, won't help you in OC
CPU PLL Voltage: don't exceed 1.6v for your C2D, usually useless, the most harmul voltage for the CPU with vFSB. I'm sure you won't need more than 1.5v
Load line calibration: to bypass vdroop. Can be helpful if you use high vcore on a quadcore. But for under 1.40v of vcore and on a C2D, I won't activate it to limit the overshooting problems
I understood everything...thanks a lot!
But tell me any reference to these options with 450fsb in my cpu and my memos at 1050mhz 5-5-5-15 :D....please???
thanks :D
I won't make the effort to search for your exact setup :rolleyes: as it'll cost me much time, and would be useless, as it will depend on the motherboard/ram/cpu chips quality you have, like with CPU batches (people forget that the NB is just like a CPU, and its performance can varry depending on batches/samplesQuote:
Originally Posted by R@ptor =]]
To start with your setup, you can go with these settings:
FSB strap to north bridge 333
CPU and NB GTL Voltage Reference 63% and 67%
DRAM Static Read Control: Off (enable later)
Clock Over-Charging Mode: 0.70
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.50v
Load line calibration: on
vNB 1.25
vFSB 1.30 to start than try to lower to 1.20 to see if still stable (this is to limit needed vcore)
vDDR: depends on your RAM modules, but 2.20-2.35v depending on the sticks you own
Later, you can try strap 266 if still stable and enable SRC/Booster and see in everest which combination suites you
all right, i'm gonna ask a really noob question here - just a word of caution, as i ran a quick yahoo search and came up with vague answers ; here goes :
I'm considering a 2nd 8800 to try my hand at SLI on my P5k-P. i've read from various forums that intel chipsets don't support SLI. what does that actually mean?
my initial idea was due to the limitations of the P35 (having 20x lanes) that the 2nd 8800 will be capped at 4x, but would be no biggie, meaning that SLI will still run, but performance will be capped on that 2nd card.
then i came across another thought from something i read iirc "all intel chipsets with the exception of ST do not support SLI" - meaning they just won't run 2 cards together or linking them with a SLI bridge won't enable SLI.
could someone shed some light on this? i'm actually loving my P5k-P a lot, and its pointless to go X48 / P45, seeing as there are negligible gains really, overclocking wise.
Thoughts?
Greetings!
For SLI you need a nVidia motherboard.
You can have Crossfire, though.
SLI is NOT officially supported on Intel chipset based motherboards, getting a 2nd card will only help you to steer more monitors but will not help gaming performance at all... some hacked drivers enable SLI on Intel mobo's but these drivers are way dated and will prolly not work in modern games or with modern cards...Quote:
Originally Posted by dingmel
No need to buy a 2nd Nvidia card mate, will not help at all... save ya cash...
ahah! :D thanks for that. thought so myself too lol. anyhow, i updated my thread on the 9650. i'm getting 400x11 at 1.485V actual stable. is that considered high?Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd