The Fermi Thread - Part 3

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Originally Posted by Olivon

Except 5800 Ultra losed badly in multiple wayz against 9800/9700 Pro. Power consumption and heat are really problematic but performance are better than HD 5870. That's not the same thing IMHO.

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Well, Fermi is unique in a way, just take the delay for example...
I think it is closer to 5800 Ultra than to 2900, though, people are exaggerating the fail. It's still a very decent card, just not as decent as ATI 5xxx value wise.

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Originally Posted by zalbard

Nah, more like 5800 Ultra version 2.

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I agree with xlink its 2900 XT v.2 :D

I recall Splinter Cell 3 Chaos Theory, FEAR and Ghost Recon AW running better on it than 8800 GTX :D

Ohh ya i also remember people sayin that the arc was much tooo advanced and futuristic for the process used same lines as they say for GF100...

Temp-wise i recall 2900 XT's had around 90C loaded very close to GTX480/470's temp and noise was around 52 dba and gtx 480 is around 46 dba :yepp:

EDIT: After a bit of searching i realized one thing 2900 XT could be OCed till 8xx Mhz and GTX 480 also goes up till 8xx Mhz core :ROTF:

^^
LOL, okay, you win! :p: :D

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Originally Posted by annihilat0r

Yep, I think other people would do good if they tried hard to be objective as well. I own a 5870 and don't need Fermi. Forgive me if my posts aren't as sincere and as objective as FERMI LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

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They have their opinion and their actions support that, and I doubt you can change it. You on the other hand, are just whining. Fermi's out, more or less, if you're not planning on buying one maybe you should just just move on :p:

You don't move on when FERMI is the subject!!!! :D

I think we need more DX11 titles to evaluate what Fermi can really do, although it won't change it's impressive power consuption at full load.

We have to say, at DX11, GF100 does very good compared to Radeons.

And, we can still see that drivers have much space to improve.

Never should GTX295 beat GTX480 and it does sometimes, so we can wait for software to put hardware where it should be at.

It won't fix its huge power consumption at load, though...

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Originally Posted by Luka_Aveiro

It won't fix its huge power consumption at load, though...

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Maybe B1 Rev or a direct 28nm shrink :shrug:

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Originally Posted by Spacemaster

HWG make very god review. Please use language tool. :)
http://www.hwgurus.com/testovi/grafike-karte/152.html

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I see a core overclock of 825 here, Link, and 830 core in some benchmarks, but the language selector does not work for me on that page. I wondered what cooling was required to manage this?

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Originally Posted by Just learnin'

I wondered what cooling was required to manage this?

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Retail cooler.

Percentage wise, these things are overclocking just as much the 5870s. The amount of energy it consumes in doing so is another matter those.

The 2900XT produced really good derivatives, so Fermi can only get better. That's what I'll be looking forward to.

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Originally Posted by tajoh111

Percentage wise, these things are overclocking just as much the 5870s. The amount of energy it consumes in doing so is another matter those.

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Don't forget that voltage control isn't out yet.

Fermi is pretty much a long pipelined design, so it can clock up even more.

900Mhz core was the original target a long, long time ago.

You can probably OC to/over that but expect chip frying in a short period of time if nVidia is having via problems as is.

One more things, if this thing came out when the 5870 came out, apart from the power consumption, things thing would have made the 5870 from a performance perspective look like last generation. Subtract 10% from alot of scores and you would have an absolute killing.

I am not going to get fermi this gen because a revisions going to clear up alot of things and AMD next architecture might show some details and might show alot of potential. From a performance perspective fermi is not an absolute failure, it simply does not do enough to justify AMD to lower it prices.

This is the most programmable architecture ever and this what makes drivers so important. The more complex the architecture, the more complex the drivers and the longer it takes to take advantage of.

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Originally Posted by Macadamia

900Mhz core was the original target a long, long time ago.

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Source ? The max I heard was 750 MHz :shrug:

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Originally Posted by zalbard

people are exaggerating the fail

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You are "people" so ? :rofl:

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Originally Posted by Luka_Aveiro

I think we need more DX11 titles to evaluate what Fermi can really do, although it won't change it's impressive power consuption at full load.

We have to say, at DX11, GF100 does very good compared to Radeons.

And, we can still see that drivers have much space to improve.

Never should GTX295 beat GTX480 and it does sometimes, so we can wait for software to put hardware where it should be at.

It won't fix its huge power consumption at load, though...

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in stalker they lost in dirt 2 there isn't much difference only game that favors nvidia right now is metro 2033 for which ati never had time to optimize there drivers. from Hardocp : The only game that clearly favors the GeForce GTX 480 is Metro 2033. (And we know that AMD still has its driver team looking over the final code release of the game and has not yet tweaked for it.)

quality all dx11 review with in game bench : http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/...0_sli_review/1

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Originally Posted by H2O

Remember that most of the heat problems will go away if you watercool the card. If you already have a watercooling setup, GTX480 seems to be a nice bet as it outperforms the HD5870 by ~>10% (and the 2GB version by ~6%) and it's drivers have a chance to mature and hopefully the performance gains will continue to increase.

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very true. With the leaky transistors, I bet these will overclock pretty well with watercooling too. They will add more heat to a loop than 2 5870s though...

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Originally Posted by Olivon

Source ? The max I heard was 750 MHz :shrug:

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I'm not at liberty to say though... :(

But it's true, along with the first hints he/she/it/they/UFOs said regarding GT200's idle power (said they were working on it and 2-3 months later wham)

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Originally Posted by tajoh111

This is the most programmable architecture ever and this what makes drivers so important. The more complex the architecture, the more complex the drivers and the longer it takes to take advantage of.

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That's very true, hope Nvidia will do a good job at this.

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Originally Posted by TRANCEFORMER

Now that the gtx 480 has arrived , any words on the dual fermi ??

plz i know the TDP is high and many would say its impossible. but i am sure nvidia will deliever whatever it cost just to reply to Ati's 5970.

though i like the performance of the gtx 480 SLI. But i will wait to see the dual fermi first. any news ?

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i honestly believe that you wont be seing a dual fermi gpu aircooled card, im sure it would have to be liquid cooled as standard


i just cant see 2 of them chips on a single pcb in its current state.

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Originally Posted by zerazax

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...0,2585-15.html

No, no it doesn't... in fact the cards fall dead last compared to the 5970, 5870 and 5850 in perf/watt in Unigine

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Anandtech shows 5870 being 69% slower in Unigine. Because of the new fermi features, GTX 480 has a significant advantage under these conditions. Call it staged or synthetic if you want, but the advantage is there. http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3783&p=5

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Originally Posted by annihilat0r

now they virtually can't be stopped from spewing BS all around.

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Could you imagine if ATI had shipped this card 6 months late with these power reqs? The forum would be overflowing with BS. :eek: For me Fermi isn't a good product but I'm not gonna act like an idiot to get my point across.

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Originally Posted by H2O

Remember that most of the heat problems will go away if you watercool the card.

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The heat doesn't go away, it just gets dumped into the room faster. This is a big deal for people in hot climates.

480 v 5870 Overclocking results:

http://www.hwgurus.com/tests/Grafick...5_1920_8aa.PNG
http://www.hwgurus.com/tests/Grafick...20_day_4aa.PNG
http://www.hwgurus.com/tests/Grafick...920_noaaaf.PNG
http://www.hwgurus.com/tests/Grafick.../gta4_1920.PNG
http://www.hwgurus.com/tests/Grafick..._1920_noaa.PNG
http://www.hwgurus.com/tests/Grafick...k/3dmark06.JPG
http://www.hwgurus.com/tests/Grafick...%20vantage.JPG

http://www.hwgurus.com/testovi/grafike-karte/152.html

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Originally Posted by MrMojoZ

Could you imagine if ATI had shipped this card 6 months late with these power reqs? The forum would be overflowing with BS. :eek: For me Fermi isn't a good product but I'm not gonna act like an idiot to get my point across.

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Funny, because people would be spewing BS if nVidia did, too... wait, they are!

Hm...that makes me thinking is there a review that compare HD5870 CF vs GTX 470 SLI? It seems SLI scaling is pretty good so I'm wondering if the GTX 470 in SLI can keep up with HD5870 in CF.