Nvidia confirms the GTX 580

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11-07-2010, 03:53 PM
Flying duck

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Originally Posted by Chumbucket843

wow. do you understand the logistics of distribution and retail? it's in nvidia's best interest leave it to someone else. the reason why middlemen exist in the first place is to save the manufacturers money. the only tangible thing the AIB's do is put a sticker on the card, excluding custom cards. everything else is a service such as warranties, customer support, etc. yes, nvidia does that for quadro but that's a very different market where clients demand higher quality services such as custom drivers and 24hr support.

oh and just a question: why are you ranting about nvidia profiteering and not the AIB's? you blame nvidia for cutting them off yet you are ok with them profiteering throughout your arguments.:confused: who is allowed to profiteer?

Nothing wrong with Nvidia profiteering and would be no different to partners profiteering. The question is whether Nvidia is going to be culling some of it's partners, and if so how many?
11-07-2010, 03:58 PM
Flying duck

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Originally Posted by GoldenTiger

I don't think it does at all, it just indicates that the particular vendor is drop-shipping them.

For the text on the advert to make sense, all the partners would need to be drop-shipping the cards, and if they were drop shipping the cards for partners why mention it on the ad which warehouse it comes from?
11-07-2010, 04:04 PM
GoldenTiger

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Originally Posted by Flying duck

For the text on the advert to make sense, all the partners would need to be drop-shipping the cards, and if they were drop shipping the cards for partners why mention it on the ad which warehouse it comes from?

Makes sense both ways to me, and I really do doubt nVidia's doing direct sales suddenly. I think it's just that particular VENDOR (yoyotech) dropshipping, not nVidia's partners.
11-07-2010, 04:13 PM
Iconyu

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Originally Posted by Flying duck

For the text on the advert to make sense, all the partners would need to be drop-shipping the cards, and if they were drop shipping the cards for partners why mention it on the ad which warehouse it comes from?

The company that's selling them has them in stock, it's coming from their own warehouse. The news letter came from Yoyotech not nvidia, how the hell would 'Our warehouse' = 'nvidia's warehouse'?

I worry about this forum, every leap of logic seems to come from illegal drugs.
11-07-2010, 04:15 PM
tajoh111

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Originally Posted by K404

So what are nVidia going to do (according to jowy)? Release the card at an inflated MSRP to satisfy their own profit margin*, sell a few bundles for launch day then announce a price cut in a few weeks for when the partners are being supplied?

Last time they did that, they gave everyone a refund for the people that payed the overpriced amount. E.g gtx 280, people that paid 650 got a 150 dollar rebate.
11-07-2010, 04:16 PM
GoldenTiger

http://www.buy.com/prod/engtx580-2di...218169534.html

No price listed yet...
11-07-2010, 04:29 PM
SKYMTL

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Originally Posted by Jowy Atreides

Except for in the picture I just posted proving this wrong. You know, the one where nvidia brands and boxes the cards themselves and screw the partners.

Partners might get token cards but will be blueballed on actual quantitative supply until nvidia has farmed the initial release cheese from their own sales initiative.

No.

You are mistaking a placeholder ad for an actual ad. Big mistake.

Plus, NVIDIA runs their own marketing campaigns in parallel with board partners' own.

Hence things like THIS.

Plus, I can promise you the ad you showed is not from NVIDIA but rather a creation from a retailer. So where does that leave your logic?
11-07-2010, 05:08 PM
zalbard

950MHz overclock sounds nice, especially on air. GTX480 was especially attractive on water, and it looks like things just get better! :up:
11-07-2010, 05:44 PM
Jowy Atreides

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Originally Posted by SKYMTL

Plus, I can promise you the ad you showed is not from NVIDIA but rather a creation from a retailer. So where does that leave your logic?

Perfect actually.

Asymmetry of information fed into a logic system does not debase throughput.

Picture related.

http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/3...9097119726.png

The projects are ongoing after all these years. XS is littered with dupes.
11-07-2010, 05:47 PM
SandyTunnel

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Originally Posted by Flying duck

For the text on the advert to make sense, all the partners would need to be drop-shipping the cards, and if they were drop shipping the cards for partners why mention it on the ad which warehouse it comes from?

Ever notice when you need some expensive or fragile, it usually arrives via a DROP ship?

:)
11-07-2010, 05:49 PM
tajoh111

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Originally Posted by Jowy Atreides

Perfect actually.

Asymmetry of information fed into a logic system does not debase throughput.

Picture related.

http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/3...9097119726.png

The projects are ongoing after all these years. XS is littered with dupes.

What the, I think beside a couple guys, their is very little NV guys that stick out, they have so little at the moment.

Beside silicondoc(Who got banned crazy fast) who was crazy fanatical, the AMD side seems a quite a bit stronger in terms of people who seem to look like they are shills.
11-07-2010, 05:50 PM
Tha Last Meal

these streets keep me rollin :D
11-07-2010, 05:52 PM
Dimitriman

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Originally Posted by Jowy Atreides

Perfect actually.

Asymmetry of information fed into a logic system does not debase throughput.

Picture related.

The projects are ongoing after all these years. XS is littered with dupes.

aha...
so many bans on this topic i better not discuss offtopic. so 2 days for launch? is hc gonna have a review for us?
11-07-2010, 05:53 PM
Jowy Atreides

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Originally Posted by tajoh111

What the, I think beside a couple guys, their is very little NV guys that stick out, they have so little at the moment.

Beside silicondoc(Who got banned crazy fast) who was crazy fanatical, the AMD side seems a quite a bit stronger in terms of people who seem to look like they are shills.

One of the key employment terms is to act rational and fit in.
The more trollish AMD posters are, the less likely they are to be shills.

I wouldn't class myself on either side but it's undeniable that I hold a greater pro-amd stance due to more market manipulation and nerfing end users originating from nvidia's practices than ATI-amd.

It gets very boring farming new info on cards for both sides. That does lead to me becoming more tense and trollish myself and for that I apologize.

Maybe I'll take a break from 20 tabbing google searches.
11-07-2010, 06:36 PM
SKYMTL

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Originally Posted by Dimitriman

aha...
so many bans on this topic i better not discuss offtopic. so 2 days for launch? is hc gonna have a review for us?

I think there will be enough reviews to go around.

Since NVIDIA spilled the beans to a certain extent, I did want to bring something up: the effect of temperatures on the GF100's power consumption numbers. Some may remember that lowering the temperature by about 20 degrees resulted in a significant drop in overall power consumption for GTX 480 cards. TPU experienced this with the AMP! Edition.

One may wonder what this new vapor chamber design will do for full-load, in game power needs. :up:
11-07-2010, 06:37 PM
-=DVS=-

Whoa is this for real ? hired forum members :eek: wonder how much they pay for trolling online :D
11-07-2010, 06:44 PM
kuroikenshi

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Originally Posted by SKYMTL

I think there will be enough reviews to go around.

Since NVIDIA spilled the beans to a certain extent, I did want to bring something up: the effect of temperatures on the GF100's power consumption numbers. Some may remember that lowering the temperature by about 20 degrees resulted in a significant drop in overall power consumption for GTX 480 cards. TPU experienced this with the AMP! Edition.

One may wonder what this new vapor chamber design will do for full-load, in game power needs. :up:

In light of that Issue I also do recall a couple of reviews (I believe was EVGA), where the watercooled version did in fact consume less power even if oc'ed when compared to the aircooled version of the same card, sounds like Nvidia is making good use of thermal performance this time around :D
11-07-2010, 06:47 PM
Dimitriman

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Originally Posted by SKYMTL

I think there will be enough reviews to go around.

Since NVIDIA spilled the beans to a certain extent, I did want to bring something up: the effect of temperatures on the GF100's power consumption numbers. Some may remember that lowering the temperature by about 20 degrees resulted in a significant drop in overall power consumption for GTX 480 cards. TPU experienced this with the AMP! Edition.

One may wonder what this new vapor chamber design will do for full-load, in game power needs. :up:

yes this is a very interesting subject. btw Im surprised that vapor chamber is not patented. I thought xfx were the first with the technology to the market or am I wrong? Anyways patents could explain why nvidia are only using this tech now and not with the 480s. Im just guessing but if someone could clear up the deal with vapor chamber I would appreciate vm thx.
11-07-2010, 06:49 PM
kuroikenshi

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Originally Posted by Dimitriman

yes this is a very interesting subject. btw Im surprised that vapor chamber is not patented. I thought xfx were the first with the technology to the market or am I wrong? Anyways patents could explain why nvidia are only using this tech now and not with the 480s. Im just guessing but if someone could clear up the deal with vapor chamber I would appreciate vm thx.

I was very sure that vapor chamber tech has been around cooling systems (large commercial infrastructure) for a long time now...
11-07-2010, 06:54 PM
Dimitriman

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Originally Posted by kuroikenshi

I was very sure that vapor chamber tech has been around cooling systems (large commercial infrastructure) for a long time now...

i suppose i only noticed the term being used in gfx cards couple of years ago. thx for the reply
11-07-2010, 06:56 PM
Your_Boss

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Originally Posted by saaya

noise and temps are very important to me, so i love that they focus on that...
but... i dont like how they present it as their own tech and invention and idear...
i mean vapor chambers have been around for quite a while...
am i the only one who thinks its weird that the only thing they talk about when it comes to the 580 is the heatsink? a third party component? hmmm

then again, its just a pre-launch leak...
which makes it a pre-pre-paper release
and a pre-pre-pre-release
and a pre-pre-prep-pre cards are available in some shops in some regions

hah... really funny huh?
in the 21st century both hw and software companies have managed to fully streamline introductions of new products :D
everything is available or presented a LONG time (to some extend) before retail availability :D

Yeah, all he did in the presentation is talk about the cooler of which tech we already have and how quiet it is..um, yeah, also because of the cooler.

Nothing in that presentation says anything about the actual chip. And, yeah I know it wasn't a chip or card launch so why then even mention that stuff. Why don't you just say, "Hey, we finally got a good aftermarket HSF and its cooler and quieter. That's all he had to say. :confused:

And as some other poster on here said, that city demo has been around for over a month on Youtube so....?:confused:

He wouldn't let anyone see the card in the case because he didn't want to show the wood screws I guess. :ROTF:

I bet inside the case was some GTX480 SLI setup and they just removed the video connectors from the 2nd card and replaced it with a solid plate to make it look like a single card was installed. :D

Hey, I'm just saying...its possible. ;)
11-07-2010, 07:00 PM
cegras

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Originally Posted by SKYMTL

I think there will be enough reviews to go around.

Since NVIDIA spilled the beans to a certain extent, I did want to bring something up: the effect of temperatures on the GF100's power consumption numbers. Some may remember that lowering the temperature by about 20 degrees resulted in a significant drop in overall power consumption for GTX 480 cards. TPU experienced this with the AMP! Edition.

One may wonder what this new vapor chamber design will do for full-load, in game power needs. :up:

As long as acoustics are kept in check.
11-07-2010, 07:00 PM
SKYMTL

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dimitriman

yes this is a very interesting subject. btw Im surprised that vapor chamber is not patented. I thought xfx were the first with the technology to the market or am I wrong? Anyways patents could explain why nvidia are only using this tech now and not with the 480s. Im just guessing but if someone could clear up the deal with vapor chamber I would appreciate vm thx.

Even if it was patented, NVIDIA could still use it if their supplier was paying the patent holder. Who knows, maybe their supplier IS the patent holder. :up:
11-07-2010, 07:01 PM
Olivon

Quote:

Originally Posted by SKYMTL

I think there will be enough reviews to go around.

Since NVIDIA spilled the beans to a certain extent, I did want to bring something up: the effect of temperatures on the GF100's power consumption numbers. Some may remember that lowering the temperature by about 20 degrees resulted in a significant drop in overall power consumption for GTX 480 cards. TPU experienced this with the AMP! Edition.

One may wonder what this new vapor chamber design will do for full-load, in game power needs. :up:

That's why I asking to test GF100 with GF110 HS previously Myke :D
11-07-2010, 07:01 PM
Iconyu

Quote:

Originally Posted by SKYMTL

I think there will be enough reviews to go around.

Since NVIDIA spilled the beans to a certain extent, I did want to bring something up: the effect of temperatures on the GF100's power consumption numbers. Some may remember that lowering the temperature by about 20 degrees resulted in a significant drop in overall power consumption for GTX 480 cards. TPU experienced this with the AMP! Edition.

One may wonder what this new vapor chamber design will do for full-load, in game power needs. :up:

Have you tested the 580 cooler on a 480?

Edit Hive mind...
11-07-2010, 07:04 PM
highoctane

I think its the same principle as a heat pipe, moisture/liquid in a vacuum boils/turns to water vapor at a low temperature which then condenses on the cooler surface thereby transferring heat to a larger area faster than conduction. The only difference I see with what is being termed vapor chamber is rather than reduce cooling fin area and impeding airflow with heat pipes they've created a base chamber which allows for better airflow and more cooling fin surface area.
11-07-2010, 07:10 PM
SKYMTL

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Originally Posted by highoctane

I think its the same principle as a heat pipe, moisture/liquid in a vacuum boils/turns to water vapor at a low temperature which then condenses on the cooler surface thereby transferring heat to a larger area faster than conduction. The only difference I see with what is being termed vapor chamber is rather than reduce cooling fin area and impeding airflow with heat pipes they've created a base chamber which allows for better airflow and more cooling fin surface area.

Yes and no.

The main benefit of a vapor chamber is surface area. With a typical heatpipe setup, the pipes themselves only make minimal contact with the cooling fins. Thus, the effective transfer of heat from pipe to fin can become a bottleneck in the cooling process.

With a vapor chamber ALL of the cooling fins make equal contact with the top surface of the condensation chamber. This means even distribution of heat over a larger area which in turn leads to higher cooling efficiency. Think of the chamber as a giant, flattened heatpipe.
11-07-2010, 07:14 PM
zalbard

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jowy Atreides

Perfect actually.

Asymmetry of information fed into a logic system does not debase throughput.

Picture related.

http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/3...9097119726.png

The projects are ongoing after all these years. XS is littered with dupes.

Rofl, who could've thought it was true...
11-07-2010, 07:15 PM
highoctane

Quote:

Originally Posted by SKYMTL

Think of the chamber as a giant, flattened heatpipe.

That was more or less what I was getting at/thinking. :up:
11-07-2010, 08:42 PM
tajoh111

Quote:

Originally Posted by SKYMTL

Yes and no.

The main benefit of a vapor chamber is surface area. With a typical heatpipe setup, the pipes themselves only make minimal contact with the cooling fins. Thus, the effective transfer of heat from pipe to fin can become a bottleneck in the cooling process.

With a vapor chamber ALL of the cooling fins make equal contact with the top surface of the condensation chamber. This means even distribution of heat over a larger area which in turn leads to higher cooling efficiency. Think of the chamber as a giant, flattened heatpipe.

This reminds me of a old CPU cooler.

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/257/3/

Vapochill micro. It basically was a vapo chamber with heat pipes and fins.

It quickly was outpaced and no designs really took off for it.
11-07-2010, 08:54 PM
GoldenTiger

From shansoft on hardforum:
"NDA lift on Nov 9"

I re-hosted the picture he attached:
http://trizzeo.com/1-gtx580.jpg
EDIT: Right as I saved it, he apparrently edited the label to obscure the reflection... it was a 100% clear shot previously (assuming I'm not so tired my mind's playing tricks on me).
11-07-2010, 09:05 PM
cegras

Quote:

Originally Posted by tajoh111

This reminds me of a old CPU cooler.

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/257/3/

Vapochill micro. It basically was a vapo chamber with heat pipes and fins.

It quickly was outpaced and no designs really took off for it.

That failed because it had a tiny surface area / volume ratio.

I'm actually ... looking forward to this card. Any card with good acoustics is buyable to me.
11-07-2010, 09:06 PM
kuroikenshi

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Originally Posted by GoldenTiger

From shansoft on hardforum:
"NDA lift on Nov 9"
Right as I saved it, he apparrently edited the label to obscure the reflection... it was a 100% clear shot previously (assuming I'm not so tired my mind's playing tricks on me).

can you remember what was there b4 the shades???
11-07-2010, 09:07 PM
GoldenTiger

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Originally Posted by kuroikenshi

can you remember what was there b4 the shades???

Just a blurry person looking down at the card in the reflection... it wasn't detailed enough to really pick out much of anything, but it looked like a real photo to me. Young guy in his early 20's, white, no glasses, dark hair... that's about all I remember seeing. The rest of the label was just black.
11-07-2010, 09:09 PM
kuroikenshi

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Originally Posted by GoldenTiger

Just a blurry person looking down at the card in the reflection... it wasn't detailed enough to really pick out much of anything, but it looked like a real photo to me. Young guy in his early 20's, white, no glasses, dark hair... that's about all I remember seeing. The rest of the label was just black.

sounds like a prop for craigslists...lol
11-07-2010, 09:12 PM
GoldenTiger

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Originally Posted by kuroikenshi

sounds like a prop for craigslists...lol

Yeah, sounds like I'm describing a criminal for a sketch artist or something... :rofl: .
11-07-2010, 09:19 PM
kuroikenshi

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Originally Posted by GoldenTiger

Yeah, sounds like I'm describing a criminal for a sketch artist or something... :rofl: .

lol you obviously are not from America, Craigslists was an ad website which recently took down its adult services section... that description of the image on the GPU cover would go quite well if accompanied by a price per hour.. ;)

on a serious note, I am quite eager to see this card in action, who knows i might even switch camps once more
11-07-2010, 09:23 PM
GoldenTiger

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Originally Posted by kuroikenshi

lol you obviously are not from America, Craigslists was an ad website which recently took down its adult services section... that description of the image on the GPU cover would go quite well if accompanied by a price per hour.. ;)

on a serious note, I am quite eager to see this card in action, who knows i might even switch camps once more

Hehe, I can't say I'd really ever seen that section of the site :p: to know that's what you meant :). I'm quite looking forward to seeing the info on the card though, probably going to grab two if they're affordable enough.
11-07-2010, 09:25 PM
kuroikenshi

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Originally Posted by GoldenTiger

Hehe, I can't say I'd really ever seen that section of the site :p: to know that's what you meant :). I'm quite looking forward to seeing the info on the card though, probably going to grab two if they're affordable enough.

sli bridge is occulted, i wonder if its a x2 or x4 sli card
11-07-2010, 09:29 PM
Mechanical Man

In other picture there was 2 sli connectors. Why would you even consider less?
11-07-2010, 09:31 PM
kuroikenshi

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Originally Posted by Mechanical Man

In other picture there was 2 sli connectors. Why would you even consider less?

because I did in fact forget the other pic, I would love to see a nice scaling on these cards, 4xsli... = super e-pron
11-08-2010, 10:21 AM
Carbon_Unit

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Originally Posted by GoldenTiger

From shansoft on hardforum:
"NDA lift on Nov 9"

Any idea what time exactly? Hopefully we'll see reviews come midnight (EST) or there abouts. :)
11-08-2010, 10:55 AM
Olivon

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Originally Posted by Carbon_Unit

Any idea what time exactly? Hopefully we'll see reviews come midnight (EST) or there abouts. :)

Hardware.fr will put his review tomorrow afternoon here in France.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenTiger

I re-hosted the picture he attached:

Gigabyte, no ?
11-08-2010, 11:04 AM
flopper

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Originally Posted by zalbard

Rofl, who could've thought it was true...

Dont you think amd is doing that?
I got ideas for AMD that would change their whole company big time.

Viral and facebook has become the new targets due to how communites often inform lesser informed people what they buy.
580gtx is a great card even if I never buy another Nvidia card, still its a great one.
11-08-2010, 11:11 AM
Chickenfeed

Im excited to see how these things clock on air, let alone water. If it werent for the fact I had my 5870 since launch, I'd have picked up a 480 due to its potential on water and the 580 appears to me more of the same in the right direction.

If the 6900s are truely delayed, I don't know what to make of the situation. Since I'm running a moderate resolution I have a feeling at lower resolutions the 580 will best the 6970 as with the 5870/480. That said much remains to be seen with Cayman... I'd rather not kick myself later on.
11-08-2010, 11:13 AM
Rai

first Canadian listing I've found and it's kind of pricey. I'd say the MSRP has to be at least 499.99, or this place is really gouging, considering we're at about par right now with the green back.

http://www.ecsrv.com/ShopSearchPage....580GTX-M2D15D5
11-08-2010, 11:27 AM
SiliconDoc

Sure....

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Originally Posted by Mad Pistol

A "rebrand" should never be considered a new architectural design. Nvidia's G92 architecture was a complete joke. I mean, it was good, but I can't believe they made it last over 3... yes. count it... 3 generations (8800 GT, 9800 series, and GTS 250) Each time, they renamed and re-launched it. What a joke.

In this case, AMD is using the same micro architecture for the 6800 series, but it has been significantly reworked. The chips are smaller, the power consumption is down, and the performance is up compared to the 57xx series. In this case, it's a new chip, not just a rebranded Cypress or Juniper chip. So, in this case, it's obvious that AMD is tweaking their design from year to year, even if it's not into a totally new generation. Nvidia is famous for doing the same thing, only Nvidia rebrands entire cards, not just the architecture. That's a pretty significant difference.

NVidia G80 - core transistor count 681M
NVidia G92 - core transistor count 754M

Other changes 384 bit, 320 bit, 256 bit, 192 bit, 128 bit
ROP's 24, 20, 16, 8
Memory 768, 1024, 512, 640, 320, 256

Manufacturing process 90nm, 80nm, 65nm, 55mn = all equating to differing power, heat, and die enhancements.

GTS250 is a card you'd NEVER trade for an 8800GT, PERIOD

Yet, you think, and say, along with every other nvidia basher and hater, what you said: :
" (8800 GT, 9800 series, and GTS 250) "

The plain facts ARE - G80, G92, G92b, G96(505M transistors) 9600gt, G84 - ETC - were a very versatile set of cores, manufactured on a very large and wide variety of PCB's at an incredible amount of rop, memory, core speed, heatsink requirements, nm processes, massive core transistor counts and differences - for instance, FAR OUTWEIGHING the tiny 3M 4870-4890 core transistor count difference of ATI - a REBRAND for SURE if we use your standard and actually tell the truth !

You would NEVER exchange a 9800GT for a GTS250, the performance difference is far too great.

48 shaders, 64 shaders, 96 shaders, 112 shaders, 128 shaders....

How about we cut the years long crap, and tell the truth ? :up:
11-08-2010, 11:30 AM
Sam_oslo

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Originally Posted by Chickenfeed

Im excited to see how these things clock on air, let alone water. If it werent for the fact I had my 5870 since launch, I'd have picked up a 480 due to its potential on water and the 580 appears to me more of the same in the right direction.

If the 6900s are truely delayed, I don't know what to make of the situation. Since I'm running a moderate resolution I have a feeling at lower resolutions the 580 will best the 6970 as with the 5870/480. That said much remains to be seen with Cayman... I'd rather not kick myself later on.

If 6900s gets delayed, then the price of 580 will raise too, due to shortage and such BS (just like 5970, that you could never buy at release price).

It's a tricky choice, because if 6900s can make it out in time and beat/match 580, then nVidia will probably fight back aggressively. With both a price-drop on 580, and maybe release a new GPU too (maybe a double-GPU one, or something).

So it's a tricky choice, lets hope AMD can deliver a competitive GPU in time, otherwise we are going to pay a higher price for 580 later.
11-08-2010, 11:32 AM
Olivon

2 users got the card here in France :

http://tof.canardpc.com/preview2/15a...cc37b2fa48.jpg

http://tof.canardpc.com/preview2/57d...f33eb95069.jpg

http://tof.canardpc.com/preview2/d49...03263317f0.jpg

Thanks to Twentyone-turbal and pinto from hardware.fr :up:

edit : 479€
11-08-2010, 11:37 AM
GoldenTiger

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Originally Posted by Rai

first Canadian listing I've found and it's kind of pricey. I'd say the MSRP has to be at least 499.99, or this place is really gouging, considering we're at about par right now with the green back.

http://www.ecsrv.com/ShopSearchPage....580GTX-M2D15D5

http://www.provantage.com/pny-techno...b~7PNY90V9.htm

Showing at $512usd now, it said $535 yesterday, I have a feeling the pricing will be $450 hopefully.
11-08-2010, 11:37 AM
GoldenTiger

Quote:

Originally Posted by Olivon

2 users got the card here in France :
SNIP
Thanks to Twentyone-turbal and pinto from hardware.fr :up:

edit : 479€

Awesome sir, thanks!
11-08-2010, 11:38 AM
Olivon

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Originally Posted by GoldenTiger

Awesome sir, thanks!

Guys will give some feedback soon ;)
11-08-2010, 11:41 AM
GoldenTiger

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Originally Posted by Olivon

Guys will give some feedback soon ;)

:clap::clap:
11-08-2010, 11:47 AM
grimREEFER

do you guys think this card will be well received by reviewers?
it seems clearly superior to a 5870, though idk if people are gonna bench it against 6870 crossfire or something.
11-08-2010, 11:50 AM
hurrdurr

Reviews should be cautious, given that AMD has two products that will soon launch around the same price point.
11-08-2010, 11:51 AM
GoldenTiger

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Originally Posted by grimREEFER

do you guys think this card will be well received by reviewers?
it seems clearly superior to a 5870, though idk if people are gonna bench it against 6850 crossfire or something.

From early hints of apoppin and others I'm hoping for a nice 20-25% boost in games @ 2560x1600 over the 480 while running cooler/quieter... guess we'll see soon. A lot of the reception will depend on the pricing I suppose :). Probably fairly reserved since we don't know what 6970's going to bring for sure yet.

$579 @ microcenter, hopefully 499 online then:

http://trizzeo.com/goldentiger/580gtxmc.jpg

They tried to buy it but weren't able to due to it not being in system yet.
11-08-2010, 12:02 PM
SKYMTL

I told ya there would be stock in the channels. ;)

Quote:

Reviews should be cautious, given that AMD has two products that will soon launch around the same price point.

A review of a product can't be done on the basis of what might be. Rather, it needs to be based off of what's available at the time of review.
11-08-2010, 12:25 PM
Olivon

260.99 doesn't seem to work with GTX 580 ... :shrug:
11-08-2010, 12:26 PM
Sam_oslo

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Originally Posted by SKYMTL

I told ya there would be stock in the channels. ;)

A review of a product can't be done on the basis of what might be. Rather, it needs to be based off of what's available at the time of review.

LOL, yeah but that's gonna destroy all AMD's "new generation". :rofl:
Lets hope Cayman arrives in time, and can deliver what they promise, because otherwise this is not going too look good for AMD.
11-08-2010, 12:28 PM
GoldenTiger

Quote:

Originally Posted by Olivon

260.99 doesn't seem to work with GTX 580 ... :shrug:

LOL, yeah I'm watching the thread too :(.
11-08-2010, 12:36 PM
emertX

261.00 dev. RC2 will run man!
11-08-2010, 12:38 PM
cold2010

GPU-Z v0.4.8

Quote:

Added support for NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580 and future GF104 variants
Updated TMU/Texture rate calculation method. Please report any errors in the forums
Fixed memory clock monitoring on HD 6850, HD 6870
Fixed label corruption on cards without any shaders
Fixed rare CrossFire detection bug on ancient ATI drivers
Added voltage monitoring fallback for ATI cards with unsupported voltage controller
Updated PCI vendor ID for PowerColor
Removed MSI giveaway
11-08-2010, 12:49 PM
GoldenTiger

Quote:

Originally Posted by cold2010

GPU-Z v0.4.8
(notes)

:) Downloaded.
11-08-2010, 12:52 PM
marten_larsson

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam_oslo

LOL, yeah but that's gonna destroy all AMD's "new generation". :rofl:
Lets hope Cayman arrives in time, and can deliver what they promise, because otherwise this is not going too look good for AMD.

Why? If the GTX580 is ~20% above GTX480 it sure won't look as good but they could easily release a 6870X2 that would perform similarly (even though the 580 and 5970 already would be neck in neck it if those predictions are accurate).

Besides, it wouldn't make any sense for Cayman to be late and that this would come to light right now. When Barts launched it was obvious AMD intended to release Cayman in November. By that time, the cards should already be in production, at least the wafers would have to be. Well, I guess we'll just have to wait and see...
11-08-2010, 12:52 PM
Olivon

Quote:

Originally Posted by emertX

261.00 dev. RC2 will run man!

Do you know a place where is possible to take it emertX ?
11-08-2010, 12:55 PM
GoldenTiger

Quote:

Originally Posted by Olivon

Do you know a place where is possible to take it emertX ?

http://downloads.guru3d.com/GeForce-...load-2637.html

Pass that link to them :).
11-08-2010, 01:19 PM
cold2010

Reviews Today or tomorrow ?
11-08-2010, 01:26 PM
Olivon

Quote:

Originally Posted by cold2010

Reviews Today or tomorrow ?

Tomorrow afternoon here in France but don't know others countries :shrug:

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenTiger

http://downloads.guru3d.com/GeForce-...load-2637.html

Pass that link to them :).

Thanks :up:
11-08-2010, 01:36 PM
iMacmatician

Quote:

Originally Posted by cold2010

GPU-Z v0.4.8

Quote:

Added support for NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580 and future GF104 variants

Does that mean GTX 460 SE or something else we don't know yet (GTX 560?)?
11-08-2010, 01:37 PM
emertX

Show us something...
11-08-2010, 01:40 PM
Sam_oslo

Quote:

Originally Posted by marten_larsson

Why? If the GTX580 is ~20% above GTX480 it sure won't look as good but they could easily release a 6870X2 that would perform similarly (even though the 580 and 5970 already would be neck in neck it if those predictions are accurate).

Besides, it wouldn't make any sense for Cayman to be late and that this would come to light right now. When Barts launched it was obvious AMD intended to release Cayman in November. By that time, the cards should already be in production, at least the wafers would have to be. Well, I guess we'll just have to wait and see...

Then that 6870X2 should be here today, because reviewers are not going to wait for it tomorrow. This GTX580 is going to destroy those "thing" AMD has chosen to call a "new generation". they are going to look like worst than "old generation" tomorrow. AMD better do something. really fast.

I agree about Cayman, it better arrive in time, and it better deliver what they promise, because otherwise AMD will be in big trouble.
11-08-2010, 01:51 PM
cegras

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam_oslo

Then that 6870X2 should be here today, because reviewers are not going to wait for it tomorrow. This GTX580 is going to destroy those "thing" AMD has chosen to call a "new generation". they are going to look like worst than "old generation" tomorrow. AMD better do something. really fast.

I agree about Cayman, it better arrive in time, and it better deliver what they promise, because otherwise AMD will be in big trouble.

Wut, where were you when nvidia was in "ATI's current sticky situation?"

This "thing" that nvidia has called a "new generation" will see competition, hopefully within the 6 months that it took nvidia bring Fermi to the consumer table.
11-08-2010, 01:54 PM
Dimitriman

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam_oslo

Then that 6870X2 should be here today, because reviewers are not going to wait for it tomorrow. This GTX580 is going to destroy those "thing" AMD has chosen to call a "new generation". they are going to look like worst than "old generation" tomorrow. AMD better do something. really fast.

I agree about Cayman, it better arrive in time, and it better deliver what they promise, because otherwise AMD will be in big trouble.

Wow look who finally came out of the unbiased closet.
Please if you have a 6970 and a 580 lying next do you do share some info for us and benchmarks.
I know this launch has gotten all of us excited but its definately also bringing out the fanboy in a lot of people.
You seem confident that your next purchase will wipe the floor with or "destroy" even Antilles and that certainlly nobody will wait two weeks to one month to compare products.
I, on the other hand, think that perhaps wishfully thinking you are.
11-08-2010, 02:02 PM
Sam_oslo

Quote:

Originally Posted by cegras

Wut, where were you when nvidia was in "ATI's current sticky situation?"

This "thing" that nvidia has called a "new generation" will see competition, hopefully within the 6 months that it took nvidia bring Fermi to the consumer table.

I'm saying the numbers will be out tomorrow, and AMD better do something really fast, both for AMD fans like you (and him below) and for those nViida fans who want to get a good price on GTX580. You are not answering to my point. I never said nVidia did a good job in last round, so keep it to the point, please.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dimitriman

Wow look who finally came out of the unbiased closet.
Please if you have a 6970 and a 580 lying next do you do share some info for us and benchmarks.
I know this launch has gotten all of us excited but its definately also bringing out the fanboy in a lot of people.
You seem confident that your next purchase will wipe the floor with or "destroy" even Antilles and that certainlly nobody will wait two weeks to one month to compare products.
I, on the other hand, think that perhaps wishfully thinking you are.

I don't have any cards, but can promise you that those "thing" that AMD has chosen to cal a "new generation" will look really bad tomorrow.
11-08-2010, 02:08 PM
h0bbes

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam_oslo

I don't have any cards, but can promise you that those "thing" that AMD has chosen to cal a "new generation" will look really bad tomorrow.

What "things"? Only "things" available to be compared with the 580 is Barts and they are not meant to compete, so how can something unknown look really bad?
11-08-2010, 02:08 PM
Pantsu

GTX 580 is barely 20% better on avarage than 480 even on the leaked Nvidia slides, it definetely won't be any better than that, and it won't beat a 5970, let alone a 6990. A 6970/50 who knows? :shrug:

Reviewers might not care for might be's, but it's proper to at least mention in the conclusion that a competitor will soon emerge and that's what this card fill have to fight.

ps. Some little birdies told it might be 14:00 GMT. :up:
11-08-2010, 02:10 PM
marten_larsson

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam_oslo

I don't have any cards, but can promise you that those "thing" that AMD has chosen to cal a "new generation" will look really bad tomorrow.

Ehm, compared to what? The 6870 and 6850 are priced at about half of the GTX580 so there's no way to compare them. It's like saying GT430 is a :banana::banana::banana::banana:ty card because the 5870 is muuuuch faster (but I'm not sure that argument is valid because the GT430 is a :banana::banana::banana::banana:ty card compared to the similarly priced ATI/AMD offering).

The new generation of AMD is just as much a new generation as the GTX580. Both are redesigns of current architectures...
11-08-2010, 02:11 PM
Sam_oslo

Quote:

Originally Posted by h0bbes

What "things"? Only "things" available to be compared with the 580 is Barts and they are not meant to compete, so how can something unknown look really bad?

I've already said this in the bigging of this discussion that "AMD better do something. really fast." , do I have to repeat myself in every post?

Please read this again then make a relevant comment, please.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam_oslo

Then that 6870X2 should be here today, because reviewers are not going to wait for it tomorrow. This GTX580 is going to destroy those "thing" AMD has chosen to call a "new generation". they are going to look like worst than "old generation" tomorrow. AMD better do something. really fast.

I agree about Cayman, it better arrive in time, and it better deliver what they promise, because otherwise AMD will be in big trouble.
11-08-2010, 02:13 PM
Dimitriman

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam_oslo

I'm saying the numbers will be out tomorrow, and AMD better do something really fast, both for AMD fans like you (and him below) and for those nViida fans who want to get a good price on GTX580. You are not answering to my point. I never said nVidia did a good job in last round, so keep it to the point, please.

I don't have any cards, but can promise you that those "thing" that AMD has chosen to cal a "new generation" will look really bad tomorrow.

Your point is AMD cant wait 10 days to release its product as scheduled because gtx 580 will be so awesome and will shake the foundations of the earth and nobody will resist waiting to see the competition.
This is where we disagree. AMD cannot sell you Cayman even if it turned out 50% faster and 50% cheaper than the 580. Youre already sold the moment you heard the very first rumour about that card and nothing AMD releases will change your mind.
What you need to get into your head is that you dont represent the average consumer and that AMD does not need to do anything fast because of tomorrows reviews because they have their own schedule and as long as it is fulfilled they will not be losing all their customers as you say.

Again if youre so sure Cayman wont be competitive you should at least share with us what everyone else doesnt seem to have - proof.
11-08-2010, 02:18 PM
Manicdan

i think if AMD were to release a few leaks, it could help steer customers away from purchasing an 580 and waiting for caymen.
but honestly i doubt there will be enough 580s on the market to really make a big dent (we all know theres people out there who are buying both because they are flat out xtreme). and since caymen isnt too far away, the delay difference will not cause many sales to be lost. and its a high end part which makes up a very small chunk of the population

in the end, i dont think AMD will have many lost customers by doing nothing vs giving out every last detail.
11-08-2010, 02:19 PM
Sam_oslo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dimitriman

Your point is AMD cant wait 10 days to release its product as scheduled because gtx 580 will be so awesome and will shake the foundations of the earth and nobody will resist waiting to see the competition.
This is where we disagree. AMD cannot sell you Cayman even if it turned out 50% faster and 50% cheaper than the 580. Youre already sold the moment you heard the very first rumour about that card and nothing AMD releases will change your mind.
What you need to get into your head is that you dont represent the average consumer and that AMD does not need to do anything fast because of tomorrows reviews because they have their own schedule and as long as it is fulfilled they will not be losing all their customers as you say.

Again if youre so sure Cayman wont be competitive you should at least share with us what everyone else doesnt seem to have - proof.

Is it really so difficult to catch the point? Why are you trying to translate my own word for me again, in a wrong way?

I've said already "I agree about Cayman, it better arrive in time, and it better deliver what they promise, because otherwise AMD will be in big trouble."

I don't see why you change what I've already repeated 3 times. I'm not a fan of childish fights and wolf-packs, please keep it real.
11-08-2010, 02:19 PM
h0bbes

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam_oslo

I've already said this in the bigging of this discussion that "AMD better do something. really fast." , do I have to repeat myself in every post?

Please read this again then make a relevant comment, please.

Thanks for clarifying what those "things" are. Barts doesnt have to be compared to the 580 and nothing will be destroyed tomorrow. I agree that AMD should release the Cayman soon, but no need to be over dramatic.
11-08-2010, 02:21 PM
cowie

yeah yeah
here we go now.
wizz @ tpu = the man
holy cow it seems to go as fast as a duel chip top amd card(not that i care todays games suck)

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/N...GTX_580/1.html
hmmmm. 10 bucks says hicookie (or some other pro)goes 200k 03 single :D
11-08-2010, 02:28 PM
GoldenTiger

Quote:

Originally Posted by cowie

yeah yeah
here we go now.
wizz @ tpu = the man
holy cow it seems to go as fast as a duel chip top amd card(not that i care todays games suck)

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/N...GTX_580/1.html

I don't get it... he said he had no review sample just a day or so ago, yet now has a full evaluation?
11-08-2010, 02:28 PM
cowie

he did not want to be bugged maybe GT.
11-08-2010, 02:30 PM
Manicdan

Quote:

Originally Posted by cowie

yeah yeah
here we go now.
wizz @ tpu = the man
holy cow it seems to go as fast as a duel chip top amd card(not that i care todays games suck)

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/N...GTX_580/1.html

awesome

i hope no one hates me for saying this
its a very nice improvement, but sadly this is what the 480 should have been. 12-13% better perf than a 480, with a great drop in power consumption. but still not enough to really make wish i had one, perf per dollar is near identical to a 480.

also overclocking seemed to offer very low results, maybe its time he switched to a different game to test OC settings.
11-08-2010, 02:43 PM
Vipeax

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenTiger

I don't get it... he said he had no review sample just a day or so ago, yet now has a full evaluation?

If you don't have a card, you are likely to not have signed a NDA either.... maybe a friend was nice to him to hand it over. :up:
11-08-2010, 02:47 PM
SKYMTL

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenTiger

I don't get it... he said he had no review sample just a day or so ago, yet now has a full evaluation?

Well, he broke NDA so I am quite sure NVIDIA's response will be swift and brutal. :(
11-08-2010, 02:47 PM
Olivon

Quote:

Originally Posted by cowie

yeah yeah
here we go now.
wizz @ tpu = the man
holy cow it seems to go as fast as a duel chip top amd card(not that i care todays games suck)

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/N...GTX_580/1.html
hmmmm. 10 bucks says hicookie (or some other pro)goes 200k 03 single :D

GTX 580 as powerfull as HD5970, really ? Quite odd review ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by SKYMTL

Well, he broke NDA so I am quite sure NVIDIA's response will be swift and brutal. :(

W1zzard was not under DNA according to him
11-08-2010, 02:48 PM
Gilgamesh

Also, GTX580 Sli review from Techpowerup ;)
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/N...580_SLI/1.html

OK, now I can play Crysis :rofl:

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeF..._1920_1200.gif
11-08-2010, 02:49 PM
Frodin

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam_oslo

Then that 6870X2 should be here today, because reviewers are not going to wait for it tomorrow. This GTX580 is going to destroy those "thing" AMD has chosen to call a "new generation". they are going to look like worst than "old generation" tomorrow. AMD better do something. really fast.

I agree about Cayman, it better arrive in time, and it better deliver what they promise, because otherwise AMD will be in big trouble.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/price+bracket

Quote:

Originally Posted by SKYMTL

Well, he broke NDA so I am quite sure NVIDIA's response will be swift and brutal.

...If he never signed one?
11-08-2010, 02:50 PM
xdan

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeF..._1680_1050.gif

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeF..._2560_1600.gif

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeF...noise_load.gif

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeF...mages/temp.gif
So let's say altmost equal to 5970, consumes 10-15W more, and cost's 150-170$ less.
The price difference to 5870 is justified by performance.

Quote:

GTX 580 as powerfull as HD5970, really ? Quite odd review

Why, 5970 was better 25-30% than GTX 480(in some situation). So GTX 580 is better with 17-20%(chip performance) + drivers= 25%.
Because Ati drivers didn't improve almost nothing, but Nvidia with 258.96...260.89, with 251.xx added 5-7% more performance.
11-08-2010, 02:54 PM
Lanek

Quote:

Originally Posted by SKYMTL

Well, he broke NDA so I am quite sure NVIDIA's response will be swift and brutal. :(

Huum i don't know if it's volontary or not, can't access it directly by the "site", Look like it was on cache, and someone find it .... ( but well he should know store the article like this is not safe )
11-08-2010, 02:55 PM
hurrdurr

Perf. is 15% better than GTX 480 (87 * 1.15 = 100), with 30W lower power usage and substantially quieter cooling. Good job Nvidia, although overclocking doesn't seem to be very impressive.
11-08-2010, 02:56 PM
570091D

^^
additionally, there is only 1 gpu on the card, never have to worry about micro-stutter or driver updates just to play new games. :up:

can't wait to see what cayman has to offer, but this looks like a winner.
11-08-2010, 02:56 PM
Olivon

Only 22% between HD5870 and HD5970 ? :shrug:
11-08-2010, 02:56 PM
Carbon_Unit

Quote:

Originally Posted by cowie

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/N...GTX_580/1.html

Thanks for the link. The card looks strong, a nice drop in power consumption, not bad at all. The performance/watt is still not too good though, but a nice enough improvement where it won't bother me so much.

Will be very interesting to see what the 6970 brings to the table. I hope we know soon, I need a new card like no ones business, I'm using on board graphics right now. :shakes:
11-08-2010, 02:58 PM
SKYMTL

Quote:

Originally Posted by Olivon

Only 22% between HD5870 and HD5970 ? :shrug:

He's using 10.7 drivers for the HD 5000 series cards without the App Profiles that brought MASSIVE CF scaling improvements.
11-08-2010, 02:59 PM
Carbon_Unit

Quote:

Originally Posted by Olivon

Only 22% between HD5870 and HD5970 ? :shrug:

I thought the average was around 30%, if you factor in games that don't scale with Xfire. Yea that does seem a bit low, but the 5970 is highly dependent on profiles/drivers so it depends on what mix of games are used.

edit - what SKYMTL posted. Speaking of, when can we expect your review?
11-08-2010, 02:59 PM
Lanek

Im curious to see test with an OC 480 ...

Anyway, good job on power, tweaks anyway ....

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