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No, I probably won't reseat the HS system on this one as it's a family build and those pushpins scare me. Maybe if i get bored. I was just refering to the low density fin design of teh NB. As of this afternoon I'm going to try and concentrate on my own rig.
Subscribing to this thread, The Biostar is on the way. Having OC'd on Nvidia chipsets for the past year and a half, I am gonna have to learn Intel again. I am sure this htread will help. :up:
Really, at what voltage should I have to start worrying about NB temps? Should I invest in aftermarket cooling for the NB and mosfets, like that thermalright hr-05 and hr-09? Should I just reseat the heatsinks with some mx-2 and strap a 40mmx10mm fan to the NB sink?Quote:
Originally Posted by Slovnaft
God I cant stand it... this Tpower seems to be sex on legs... come on asus sort the P5Q series out so I can say its sex on legs as well :D not that 550FSB+ is anything to sniff at on a P5Q board.. I just want asus to sort the BIOS out proper.
hey ket I know it's just tempting you to do up some modded bios, i got my hand on the bios dump key if so anytime. :D
Ket,
I'm counting on you as I have both boards... If I was independently wealthy I'd start up a super-secret BIOS creation/dissection/modding lab with a badass compiler.
The Biostar boots every time without fail and has NEVER spontaneously rebooted. The first P5Q-E did not always boot and the second one is a question mark.
ETA: How hard would it be to change the huge Vcore granularity issue? If we could at least do 0.0250v steps instead of 0.05v steps, my E8400 would be on the TPower in a heartbeat!
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Originally Posted by Ket
Sorry guys theres no TPower mBIOS coming at this time :p: That might change if I go buy a TPower.. (or somebody(s) donates me one :D) I only like to mod BIOS code for boards I own or are in the same series, like the P5Q Series.
OK guys, it is time for us to step up to the plate here... I will donate the first $10 (more if I can get some more $ soon), and we need to get Ket a TPower. I'll even volunteer to get one from the egg & ship it to him, will pay the freight too if we can get it shipped for like $20-$25US.
Who is with me?
Chris
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Originally Posted by Ket
Thats mighty generous of you starting a donation fund :up: The only reason I mod BIOS code for boards I have is simply so I can avoid releasing code that fubars the board, I can test it myself ;)
Thank you, Ket. There are two main reasons I would like to see this happen:
1: I'm grateful for you helping my first P5Q-E kick ass before it totally flaked out and became fsb handicapped/downright unstable.
2: I'm genuinely curious to see what you can do with an I45. I would love the I45 to absolutely destroy all high-dollar mobos out there.
Now I just need to raise roughly $170 more to get you a board...
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Originally Posted by Ket
All in a days work ;) I'll add something to my sig as well :up:
im in $15 bucks here.
Thanks Phil!
I'm thinking once we know we are GTG (or at least close), I'll give everyone my info to make it happen!
I'm known as 'surftremolo' on eBay with 100% positive feedback since early 2002, and have been a 'verified by paypal' premium member since about the same time.
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Originally Posted by philbrown23
Is there somewhere we could make a thread for this? Otherwise I fear we might end up hijacking this one :p:
Good point, I certainly do NOT want to cause any crap! :clap:
Ace - do you want me to make a new thread for this worthy cause? :up:
If he does not reply in the next few hours I'll just make a new thread, unless you just want to go ahead and do it, Ket. I'd go ahead now but am not quite sure where (general Intel?) to do it, especially since I lost my old 'thehinge' handle hence 'thehinge1' and look like a noob to the uninitiated. :ROTF:
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Originally Posted by Ket
I was wondering where we could make a thread too.. I may of been a member for 4 years but am a relative n00b to the forums as usually I just made a flyby visit dropping my goodies enroute :p:. Perhaps it will provide a little motivation for some, but I am actually looking at the TPower BIOS right now ;)
Woohoo! Price dropped $10 to $170.16 shipped to my door. :clap:
I started a new thread for the cause with apology to mods right up front: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=203566
*Goes off to the "official" thread* :up:
The southbridge is hotter than northbridge. is that normal?
anyone using this mothernoard with lian li casing? the backplate doesn't align with the IO ports. if it were to align, the motherboards mounting hole will not be aligned with the stud on my casing, which is a PC-G7
Cant comment on your install issues but dont worry about the northbridge. Its normal for it to be hotter than a southbridge.
southbridge is hotter than northbridgeQuote:
Originally Posted by Ket
Opps my bad, late here read things the wrong way round :D Usually a hot SB can easily be resolved by lapping the SB HS base and apply some decent TIM like AS ceramique
thats not normal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skylinestar
southbridge as far as I've always seen is cooler than the northbridge.
Yep, but like I said, if he laps the SB HS and uses some decent TIM those temps will come right down :cool: had to do it on my P5Q Pro, after the SB barely got warm to the touch even under load with 1.3v.
what is CPU Smart Fan Disabled(default)/Auto?
my E8400 HSF is the stock intel 4pin connector type (i assume it is PWM).
Disabled = fan running at max speed? Auto = variable speed?
besides that, evrytime the pc starts, the pc shows this:
Marvell 88se61xx RAID adaptor
initializing...
adaptor 1
disk information....blah blah hard disk not found...
..then, booting up windows.
i'm not running a RAID setup. i have only 1 hdd. what's up with the RAID marvell detection?
Yet another question :P
When I'm overclocking i have the choice of raising the VCore from options such as 0.100, 0.150, 0.200, 0.250 ect ect. But once i have reached my desired overclock and want to go higher i have no clue how to raise the VCore. Since the options are limited i dont know if i am suppose to start raising it from the lowest option or start from the next highest option (from my current setting)
ex. right now i am at a Vcore of 0.300 but i want to raise it more so that i can achieve a higher overclock. Do i raise it by choosing 0.100V or do i go straight to 0.350 (or will that just triple the VCore, which is what i am afraid of?).
another question what is a better choice for a more stable overclock.
referring to the MCH GTL REF Voltage:
0.61VTT(the highest option) or do i go lower like 0.58VTT
Regards
Damian
You set 0.350. A simple way to explain the voltage options is lets say you have a CPU with a default voltage of 1.3v, selecting +0.350v means your vcore will be 1.65v.
ok thanks. I know the deal with voltages but i was just a bit confused on raising them with limited options.
so your saying to go for 0.350. Does that mean if my E7200 currently sits at 0.300 going to the next option of 0.350, it will only increase by .50?
No. Assuming the voltage options are showing you how much more voltage will be pumped from stock, final voltage will be 0.650.
alright alright one more time :P
im at 0.300 (1.4V, benching) right now to get a more stable overclock to maybe about 1.42V how would i go about doing so since adding 0.100 (the lowest) will give me 1.5V which is outrageous for a 45nm cpu
keep it here...i think it is great.Quote:
Originally Posted by thehinge1
BTW, i will be selling my board for $110 shipped in the lower 48 states...PM if anyone is interested...the only thing done to the board was the bolt mod & new paste for heatpipe and SB.
Get with Ket, as we may have great interest in buying this. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
Ket jump on it, get the info and pm thehinge1!! Lets do this. :D
YES KET NOWW!!! oh and damian if it is at +.300 and you want to add .50 more you go to +.350 iot will take you from 1.4 to 1.45 tho.
let me know...i think Ket lives in the UK?..correct?
EDIT:...if so, the cost to ship a 7 pound box to the UK will cost $37...i will take $12 off that since that would be my cost to ship here in the USA...SO...bottom cost for the board and shipping to the UK will be $135 USD total for the board.
we want it!!!
Indeed we do :D I'll give thehinge1 a PM :cool:
ED - Alright I gave thehinge1 a PM with the link to this page :toast:
waiting!;)
Ace-a-Rue,Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
What motherboard are you thinking of getting next? I think this one would be interesting... http://us.dfi.com.tw/Upload/News/US/arch500.jsp
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Originally Posted by PolRoger
i am going to take a siesta and wait on the nehalem cpu's...i need that break to finish up the final details of my mother's estate...things need to be settled before the judge calls the three brothers into probate court.
BTW, i will be listing this board in the FS section tonight...i can't wait to long since i am leaving town next week for a 5 day trip.
Ace, we want your board! I haven't been near a computer 'til now...
Do you want us to paypal you individually or want me to do it in one lump? Makes no matter to me as long as Ket gets his board :up:
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Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
Can someone please explain me the difference between v5.0 and v5.1 of the this board ?
Probably not a huge difference... and I doubt anyone could tell you what differences there are until somebody gets a v5.1.
I have a v5.1
I think most people who recently bought this board do.
I'm not sure but I think that 5.0 was the dud and 5.1 was back to normal for this board??
Oh and does this board not support P4's yet???
If not, ket; I need that BIOS soon!! I wanted to get some P4 dice lovin this weekend!!!
The BIOS will come when I can test it :p: I don't think the v5 board was a dud, if memory serves I seen plenty V5 boards doing mad FSB clocks. v4 or v4.5 something like that I think people were griping over though.
aah ok.
I'm gonna go pledge some money to the board, though my PP takes forever, os it probably won't help in time.
GOod luck and thanks!
Nice one. :up:
Ace's board is ours, please see 'official' thread for details :up:
For the record, Ace's board is v5.1.
CORRECT!:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by napox9
hey Ket, PM me your mailing address ASAP.
Check your PM box, I did it for him :D
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Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
Thanks hinge :up: Hopefully by the time the TPower arrives I'll also have my EPROM programmer for some hardcore BIOS mod experiments :cool:
I want also P4 support :help: :D
It has already been done. Stay tuned ;)
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Originally Posted by ceemic
Yep, Any P4 or Celly that supports FSB800 should work with the modded BIOS. I don't have a P4 or Celly to test that aspect, but the CPU patches have been added to the P6 table :up:
You are my saviour :woot:
Celly can have pin mod :D
I'm not sure if the mBIOS will take kindly to the pinmod or not. It may have to be a CPU that natively supports FSB800.
im having major ram issues here, at 1150 my ram passes all memtest tests. but will not even boot into windows even with the timings set to 6-6-6-18-2y! WTF! ram settings set to auto except for timings and voltage, perf levl auto,rcomp on auto. tried rcomp 4 and hangs before full post.
Try going 800 at CL4. My 1066 CL5 can't run at stock speeds either yet, but 800 CL4 with 1.8v is 100% stable.Quote:
Originally Posted by philbrown23
same here, I can do 1066 at cl5 to just cant seem to get into winblows any higher than 1066 will pass memtest though.
I'm praying these little RAM speedbumps will get taken care of in Ket's BIOS. I mean, it does sseem to be a BIOS problem right?Quote:
Originally Posted by philbrown23
I'm doing what I can for the BIOS. Looking at the individual modules there doesn't appear to be a memory table, or at least the ID for it is different. I could chance an arm and replace the module which I think is the memory table, though. If anyone is interested I have a beta mBIOS for the TPower, doesn't do too much but the foundations need testing none the less.
i think you need to take perf lvl out of auto and set it to either 10 or 11, as a mimimum.Quote:
Originally Posted by philbrown23
also, rcomp will do better out of auto once you go above 500 fsb with a dual core cpu.
memtest is only one element towards a successful boot into windows....a lot more variables are encountered with getting into windows; like sufficient vcore, NB voltage, Vdimm and Vfsb and then the dreaded CPU & MCH GTLREF!;)Quote:
Originally Posted by philbrown23
I am a newbie.. considering getting the biostar p45 mobo.. but I see they have a couple of models. I have already narrow it down to 2: this Tpower I45 & Tforce T45HP.
according to newegg specs, only diff I see is the I45 has ICH10R, 2 eSATA and better audio. Are those the only differences?? I probably will OC minorly (10-15% max). Will go for either E8500 or Q6600 for the CPU.
If you are only gonna do a 10-15% Overclock, get the Tforce T45HP. They are very similar and hat is still a very nice motherboard.Quote:
Originally Posted by co2r
I just picked up one of these boards and enabled the BIOS to turn on the board using a keyboard - "any key" or mouse click.
However it doesn't seem to be working.
Anyone else see this issue?? Is there another BIOS setting required?
Is there a more extensive guide to the BIOS anywhere? The manual is pathetic at explaining any of this.
TIA
P.S.
Using QX9650 and Corsair HX620
Latency seems to be average on this board:D
Lowest i could mange was 46.8ns but othertime with same settings i get 56-58ns:rolleyes:
how do you have your rcomp ddr2 config and memory timings set?...auto?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pcuser
well no matter what settings i use for rcomp perf level whatever still no post over 1066mhz. People are saying basically that biostar is supposed to release a new bios, pfft, not so sure bout that myself. Looks like our only hope is KET I tried to open up some of the bios options myself but am having major issues using the editing stuff that KET uses. Oh BTW KET your first mbios flashed successfully, 4got to mention that.
your only real hope is getting a bios from Ket:up:
Its good to hear the the first bios flash was successful!!! :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by philbrown23
progress! yippee!
Config 2/3 or 4.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
Timings on auto above 600mhz or 5-5-5-15 manually.
I found after i set the timings to CAS4 (ram can do up to 600mhz 4-4-4-4 on other boards)wont even save it in bios evn @ low mhz.After oc failed message i set the values again ram timings show as 3-3-3-8:D
Sometimes it works though:confused:
board to board can bring BIG differences on memory performance and top tier memory speed....never think that a different board will give you equal performance....i found this board did BETTER with my corsair dominator memory than it did on my previous ddr2 boards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pcuser
FWIW: I'm running am OCZ Reaper1066 4GB(2x2G) kit at 1074 right now, and have run my 2GB (2x1G) Reaper1150 kit at 1140 without issue in combination with an E7200.
Good point:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
I just started overclocking my board and the huge incements in voltages are really limiting my overclock. I also dont like not being able to fine tune the gtl refs. If it wasnt for that this would be a great board. It overclocks really well.
Is there any ram that is proven to work well with this board? I cant get my 1066mhz reapers stable at 1068mhz 5-5-5-15 or at 890mhz 4-4-4-12. Ive had good luck with these sticks on other boards. I need to play with the PLs alittle more. The latency for my L2 cache is also very high on this board. Its small fft stable for 14.5 hours (I stopped it then). I cant figure this board out, between the memory clocking and the HUGE increments in voltage Im pretty disappointed with this board. Seems like a pretty crappy board for day to day use. Also, whats up with there being all of these issues and no bios update for 3 monthes, not even a beta? Did Biostar abandon this board? They made alot of money with it a little bios support would be nice.
Drop them an email asking about finer voltage granularity and much better memory support. Don't use the word overclocking or you will be fobbed off, standard practice of any manufacturer.
I already did, but I dont rememer if I mentioned overclocking. I dont think I did. I think everyone here should do the same thing. Hopefully we can get a beta out of them. I know there is only so much that you can do, Ket. I still cant wait to try out a modded bios.
You would think since they have the Oc'ing guide to get you to 600FSB, that Oc'ing wouldn't be that much of an issue for them...
Biostar probably do have some decent betas kicking about, their just taking their sweet time in making one of them official. Keep bugging them ;)
Running 4GHz last night. look like the temp is quite high. It can be running 24/7? Temp can acheived 69C. vcore at 1.424v.
(Running at 3.866 only 63C at vcore 1.320v)
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I sent an email to their Taiwan branch complaining about the voltage options and especilly the GTLs. Hopefully more people do the same. They have to have some betas kicking around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ket
Keatlck- We are using very similar settings. I need the same vcore to stabilize the same 445fsb x9multi, I could get a little more with some real GTL options. We also have the same VID on our chips. What is your vtt and NBv? Can you boot your ram at 890mhz 4-4-4-12 or at 1066mhz 5-5-5-15? Can you run Everest cache and memory bench? Good luck.
So has this mobo any Vdrop ? I am buying this one when i have enough money!
Sorry about asking vdrop, but i dont have time to read all the pages...
Anybody know where on this motherboard I can check vdimm with a multimeter? They seemed to have labeled everything (vcore, Vnb, Vtt, etc) except vdimm.
Thanks ceemic:up:
long live Biostar Intel Boards!
this board has Vdroop...relatively small for a dual core and within other boards that say they have load-line calibration...i recorded about 0.024v droop for my E8500 and just about double for my QX9650.Quote:
Originally Posted by lha
i get no vdroop, in the bios it 1.264V and is 1.264V in cpu-zQuote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
does anyones tpower i45 want a lot of voltage for the ram???
i have had this board since day one and am tired of the vcore adjustments and none of my ram (g.skill ddr2 1000, tracer 1066, ocz 1150) can come anywhere near their default speeds. so i give up. what is another really good overclocking board for an e0 dually? no gigabyte or asus, plse. so i guess this leaves dfi. which dfi (pcie 2.0 only) is the best for this? and no issues with hd4870 cf.
we are talking about under 100% load!Quote:
Originally Posted by EliTE22
i have been trying to get my Corsair Dominator 1066Mhz to 1066 but can get passed 1050 and that with some voltage and fanss, this mobo loves the fsb but, can handle oced ram;)Quote:
Originally Posted by politenessman
i used GSkill ddr2 800 and it worked right up to about 1040 mhz for an E8500...you must not have the correct bios settings!Quote:
Originally Posted by politenessman
look at page 1 of this thread!Quote:
Originally Posted by EliTE22
0.008V :D with q6600 GOQuote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
2.4V that high:shocked:
srry, i should have read a little
well, then, you must have the immaculate conception of motherboards!;)Quote:
Originally Posted by EliTE22
containing no flaw or error, i like to think so :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
in the bios it also flash around a bit to 1.256v seem a little funny:rofl:,