some more testings:
http://images0.hiboox.com/images/400...0aea1cb870.jpg
http://images0.hiboox.com/images/400...197cd62176.jpg
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nice results but ehm... is it better with the new bios or not?
eh hem... sorry, I forgot to tell, but yes it looks easier to reach high fsb. I have to test if it is not slower with this 0605 than with 0505.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyV
Does anyone have any information on the new 0605 bios? Is this a beta bios or an official release? I ask this question because the 0605 bios is not on Asus's website. Any information on whats new in the 0605 bios? Thank you.
I think it alows more fsb and this in benchs, not sure anywayQuote:
Originally Posted by deachus
More FSB for dual cores or for quads? There has been a FSB wall for my Q9450 at 495FSB. I cannot get 500FSB bench stable so I am hoping this bios has fixed that problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by ToyTen
Will test when I get home tonight.
dual in my case
Quote:
Originally Posted by deachus
It's not official. If you follow the link to the post with all the new biosses you will see who posted them and that it's a beta release.
its a beta i think , not tested my self but will tomorrow orso .
650fsb screen last time, 615fsb cinebench, 620fsb 3d and 645fsb pi1m so i hope it will bump that up a bit :D .
toyten: any advance on ram clocking ?
Quote:
Originally Posted by blind_ripper
Those fsb's on AIR for the NB? I quess but it must be on the limit :D GG !
looks more flexible (I'm still using a dualcore), better.
But can't tell if it is more nervous at the moment.
all air , think the 650fsb screen whas with cascade on cpu .Quote:
Originally Posted by ToyTen
no diffrence to air thoughe so it whase the board , still i did not tray to tweak the board :D .
mem clocking whas a mess , only could do 950mhz cas7 on D9JNL so yeah i hope the bios helps on this .
no i need to get a other 3d card killed the 4870 when putting on stock cooler :D .
so my 642 isn't that bad, cpu under water :p: ?
'Should put my autocascade on it,time won't last to come :)
I have GTR mem's so can't compare, I also have JNM(G-Skill 12800 7-6-6-18) and those sucks...
I couldn't bench with GTR at 1Ghz CAS7 so easily with 0505 BIOS so thats a good thing yet :)
I found my QX9770 didn't like 500 either, but 501 worked just fine. As I was going up, I had the same issue at 450. It would not stabalize there at all, but when I went 451 everythind was stable.Quote:
Originally Posted by deachus
I am finding this board very finicky with the quads & realize small steps got me furhter than large ones.
Hope that helps you out.
This is my first attempt OC'ing my new CPU:
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/9...1840da2.th.jpghttp://img143.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif
I know its still high on voltage but I will try to reach 4.5Ghz later. After I'm done doing some benchmarks on 4.5Ghz I will determine what my 24/7 clock will be. Then I will start finetuning vcore.
Well after alot of testing I am loving the new 0605 bios. I am now able to clock past my 495FSB wall. I was able to take the number one spot for 32M on HWbot for the Q9450 and get in the top 10 in almost every benchmark. I am going to run some 3D tests and see if I can't do better on SuperPI32M. Here are some pics.
What vNB are you guys using when having such high FSB's? I found my CPU was stable for 9 hours of orthos but when I also added higher mem speeds and set vNB to 1.61v it only was stable for 1 hour. Is it reasonable to put it any higher then that?
I used 1,85vNB to finish my bandwith at 642 fsb.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y90...DSC00011-1.jpg
socket A cpu cooler on the chipset right now :D .
Cool, well done and looks good. How does it perform?
full stock base sink only gets 27.2°C , with 1.7vnb it get 33°C so no wurry's :) .
ready for bios 6050 :D , now il need to change cpu again :p:
I used vNB 1.81v for 503-505 FSB. I still have the stock NB HS on their with an 80MM fan blowing directly onto the NB hs and it's just barely warm to the touch, not hot at all. This setup is feeling extremely fast.
I did some more testing late last night with the 5:8 mem divider running the mems at 1617Mhz @ 6-5-5-15-1T tRC 62 505FSB and this was the fastest my setup has ever been. With these settings I was able to score 11m31s in SuperPI 32M, which beats my Q9450 32M world record by more than 12 seconds but once I opened up CPUZ a couple times and took the screenshot and pasted into paint the computer locked up before I could click save. I was NOT happy. It's Friday so I will be tweaking the hell out of this bios this weekend.
@ Blind_Ripper
It sounds like it's worth it to mod the NB HS that way. Was it easy to mount, did the mounting bracket fit in de old NB mobo holes?
yeah i hope so :), extra testing : 1.7vnb = 35.8°C idle and 36.3°C load :) .Quote:
Originally Posted by Pisklink
reading with a probe at base off the bloks .
well try WC and see how that give's any advance .
mounting easy offcourse , drilled holes and bolts treu it .
Just started benching again and beat both my 1M and 32M records. The 32M beats my world record for Q9450 on HWbot by about 9sec.
Back to benching for now:D
Next quote is coming from the E8600 OC thread but we want to keep that thread clean of P5E3 talk so I copied a quote here.
Well I used a 5:8 divider first to make sure I used some decent RAM speed already while getting my CPU stable. Now I got my CPU stable settings for 4.4Ghz I decided to add more RAM speed using the 1:2 divider.Quote:
Originally Posted by Infa
RAM settings with 7-7-7-20-2T @ 1860 with PL6 and 2.0v is all to tight. Therefore I tried PL7, 8 and 9 and didn't pass Prime with it. Because I didn't know yet what a save voltage would be to try I decided to put everything on auto setting (9-9-9-24-1T) and just try if it would pass Prime on blend modus with 1860Mhz. Well at this moment it's running for 3,5 hours. If it gets around 6 - 8 hours I will try 8-8-8-20-1T and see if it passes. If it does I could still try CL 7 and add more voltage to see if that helps. Before I started Prime I did a quick Everest benchmark and already got 11k+ read and ~10k write and 45ns latency. I think that's due to the 1T setting which my RAM won't accept when running at CL7 and 2.0v.
Ok, i think you got it right, keep on testing :) you will find it soon enough. i find this board a bit hard to play with though at tight and quite high 24/7 settings, im thinking of migrating to Rampage Extreme in a while, to see whats the diffrence, not much but much more monitoring and much more bios settings... ah well :)
I agree, and last night was such a typical example. After a unsuccesfull CPU OC I had reset my bios to previous stable settings and tried to run blend test again. After 8 min. the first core already gave an error while I used the exact same settings that passed blend test a few days earlier for 8 - 9 hours.Quote:
Originally Posted by Infa
The new 0605 bios has now allowed me to run Prime95 and OCCT stable at much lower volts all around at 450FSB. Here is a screenshot from OCCT 2hours mix. I am also attaching a 450FSB bios profile for anyone that wants to try it out if they are having problems getting there Q9450 450FSB stable. The temps in the OCCT screenie are reading 10c higher than in Realtemp.
You must be using the 0605 bios to use this profile.
Here's the setup for this profile:
Q9450 @ 3.6Ghz 1.28v bios (1.20v CPUz)
2x1GB G.Skill 1600Mhz HZ "D9GTS" @ 1800Mhz 7-7-7-18-2T
I was not able to get 450FSB stable prior to 0605 bios unless I used the 2:3 mem divider running the ram at 1600Mhz 6-5-5-15-2T and had to give the CPU 1.34v Bios to get 3.6Ghz stable.
Hey, I've just ordered this board to replace my dead deluxe version. Which was very picky and had poor bios's. I hope ive made the right choice but i could find much in the way of x48 boards that flicked my switch
I have Random Crashes, not stable board completely, and Im thinking its actually the board itself, seems it cant take what i want it do.
Prime fails, not Linx or any other program, it has been the same tricky since the beginning, The bios merely only change stability on the straps, nothing else has changed for me to make a more stable board, and im allways using 1:2 divider giving highest memspeed.
naah im tired of this :) been trying to get rid of my game crashes and random reboots, have been trying sooo long and now im out!
Rampage board seems like its a more fine tuned edition of the X48, Like E0 from C0 Chips, and i also like seeing the seperate GTL settings in RE. AND ALL the monitoring, for the premium board to cost almost as much as the RE, it sucks in settings and monitoring... bad move from asus, is it so hard to implant some monitoring chips? all other Makers can do it for less money?
just my thoughts.
i have this board, i love it, although i havnt pushed it atall really as im a noob and have only built one pc ever :(, but my wifi stops sometimes for no reason, and i have to upplug my pc for a few minutes, and reboot it to get it to work again... anyone else get this ??
Just changed the boards over so had a good look at the side by side and i have to say the premium looks like a better build quality,it has one less pci ex x1 slot the deluxe has one just below the wifi card i also didn't get the remote with it?? oh well never used it anyway. I used to have the same issue with the wifi on the deluxe i just got the manufacture's drive and it sorted that.
Oh well i'll give it a gentle brake in tonight and see how it goes.
Wish me luck :)
Brave758, you might want to try out my profile with your QUAD if your G.SKill's have the D9GTS ic's.
I love this Board. Once you find the right settings this Board is extremely fast!
Thanks Deachus, so far i'm very impressed it was a little fussy till i got the bios updated no it seems fine. i take it your profiles are bios read items.
Again thanks
Your very welcome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brave758
I'm not sure I understand your questions??
"I take it your profiles are bios read items??"
The bios profile is all my bios settings exported to a bios profile file which is a feature built into the P5E3 Premium. Its called "Overclock Profile" You can put my profile on your USB thumb drive, go into bios, run the overclock profile and it will read your thumb drive and allow you to load mine or anyones profile. Once the profile is loaded it loads all mine or anyone's bios settings.
This is a great tool because I have created all sorts of profiles for benching, 4GB DDR3 stable, 2GB DDR3 stable, 3D benching, 1M and 32M benching.
Try it out. I wish all motherboards had this feature
I finally got me some stable settings (I think). I have to admit that the board is fast when you find some settings. I tried to get my memory stable at 1857Mhz 7-7-7-20-1T settings and supprisingly it was stable for at least 1 hour in Prime. I had to stop because I needed my comp. I will test again tonight or tomorrow. But I did a Everest benchmark instead and passed the 12Gb/s read and got some nice latency, I think. What do you think of the benchmark?
http://i33.tinypic.com/aw6has.jpg
@ deachus. Yes mate you answered my question, i tired to view them in windows but it wouldn't reconise them, i was just checking if they were bios files. Sounds good it's not something i've used before but i'll give it a go and let ya know how she fair's lol
I would like to overclock my Q9450 a little bit more but unfortunately i can't pass the 400fsb barrier dunno why :down:
Just try the oc-profile in deachus signature, it helped me a lot.
Big thanks for that! :up:
hi, can somebody give me a link on where to download the new beta 0605 bios? thx!
Quote:
Originally Posted by fly_ebos
You can download it from this thread under "X48"
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=201035
So much troubles with this second P5E3 board.
After my board had run for 2 month with a bootable vista64partition i wantted to do a new install of vista64 on a single raptor. The reason for this is that on drive kept dropping out of the arry.
When i now try to instal vista64 on the one raptor, I am experiencing verry slow windows intall- setupscreens, which take almost a hour to load :confused:
And when i get to the screen where the harddrives are shown, my damn vilociraptors dont show.:confused:
I am realy at a total loss here.
Has anyone here experienced the same problem?
All advice appreciated.
Kazi
Quote:
Originally Posted by nunor
I have got a QX9650 and found that a very important setting for high FSB with quad core is the FSB voltage .
In fact , I need 1.4 volt to be stable at 445 mhz .
But be careful and do not go over 1.45 volt .
See the article from anandtech for further information :
http://www.anandtech.com/weblog/showpost.aspx?i=428
I got this today, setting 2,28 VDDR 1,81 VNB twister on moderate PL6 at boot:
http://images1.hiboox.com/images/410...dac5ed7f0d.jpg
The official 0605 Bios is now available on Asus website for download.
The 0605 bios has now allowed me to run 450FSB 1:1 4x1GB 1800Mhz 7-7-7-18-2T P95 blend stable. I was not able to achieve this with any previous bios. I could run 450FSB 4x1GB p95 stable but with 2:3 divider on the previous 0505 bios. I am also running with alot less voltage across the board with this new bios. It seems things are getting better and better with each new bios.
Is the bios in asus site the same as the beta?
Btw i was trying to get my Q9450 stable at 3.4GHz but i was getting an error in 1 core after 1h14mins. With a 0.02vNB increase it would only run for 3 minutes so i decreased 0.02vNB and increased 0.01vCore and i was able to run prime for 3h12min when it stopped because of the same core error :s
I tried to run prime again but only for the specified test that gave me the error after 3hours and i don't have the error anymore... seems like random errors? Where should the problem be?
Quote:
Originally Posted by nunor
I do not know if the 0605 Bios on Asus site is different than the Beta that was posted on XS. I found it at work this morning and haven't tested or looked into the bios yet. I will look into when I get home in a few hours.
Please post your BIOS settings for me so I can take a look and see if I can give you any advice on why you are getting an error. If you can take a digital picture of bios and post that would be helpful. Are you using the Clock Twister? What PL are you using?
Those are some pretty sloppy ram settings and PL10? It would be much much faster if you ran your ram 1:1, tightened the timings and lowered the PL.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanjean15
My QX9650 with 4 Ghz and 445 mhz FSB , stable prime95 5 hours :
http://images0.hiboox.com/images/420...0c93f4cd64.jpg
BIOS 505 SETTINGS ( bios 605 not tested yet ) :
http://images0.hiboox.com/images/420...1d19a1b418.jpg
http://images2.hiboox.com/images/420...78d98bca31.jpg
Hello , thank you for the advice . ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by deachus
I am going to try your settings but i don't think that my ram will appreciate because it is only Corsair PC 10666 cas 9 .
There are 2 0605 to be tested so :)
the beta and te regular one:D lots of work and pleasure ;)
http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/2...tstablepm7.jpg
http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/7950/bios1nb2.jpg
http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/6210/bios2yu0.jpg
http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/715/bios3dg1.jpg
http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/619/bios4mu5.jpg
I added a little more vcore dunno if it'll fix the 3h prime error that i had but since it didn't happen in the same test twice i think it's vcore.
I dunno what timmings should i set in the rams and i don't want to push too much the vdimm... any suggestion?
the CRC32 hashes of the two 0605 BIOS's match, so they are the same :up:
@ nunor: NB of 1.33 may be a bit low given you are going FSB 425 MHz. I see that you are also playing a bit with your CPU and NB clock skews. I haven't had to adjust these yet so I don't know how these will factor in.
Re: 0605, I haven't noticed much of a benefit yet but haven't had a chance to push it that much yet either.
A 0.02 increment on the vNB will make prime stop in less than 10 minutes so i had to set it low.
Anyway i tried to run prime again and i got an error in 57 mins this time ffs. I think it's random errors because when i get the error i do the specific test again and i don't have the error anymore :(
Need help to fix the random errors :\
I would raise your vFSB to 1.3v as I have found vFSB has alot to do getting stable. I would also change your Strap to NB to 333 and lower the clock twister one setting at a time testing with memTest and/or P95 each time you lower. Disable PCIE Spread Spectrum and put your PL to auto. once you get stable you can try tweaking these settings tighter. Try putting your ram timings to 7-7-7-18-2T-60 and raise vDimm to 1.96-1.98v.Quote:
Originally Posted by nunor
The problem is that when i increase the NB or vFSB voltage the system becomes more instable :s and i have to find the good values for everything again.
Tried some changes but i got another error after 8h29m :(
UPDATE: Using strap 333 i got an error in 56 mins against 8h29m with strap 400.
AI Clock Twister: Light = error in 50 mins using strap 400.
AI Clock Twister: Lighter = error booting on windows.
Quote:
Originally Posted by nunor
Some of these settings I am giving you are not going to be exact because you are running the Samsung IC's not the D9GTS ic's.
I would consider the 8h49m stable but that depends on the person and what they are using their computer for. If your main use is gaming and can game COD4 for 4-6-8 hours straight with no problems or crashs then I would consider it stable even though you may get an error in p95 at 8h49m.
Just my 2 cents
Timings are not the problem imo. Atm i'm running at 8-8-8-21 2T just to be sure i don't have errors because of tight timings. Tight timings is the next step when i get a stable oc. I just don't know which value to set on tRAS... do you think 21 is ok?
I use the pc mainly for gaming and university works and i don't think i play UT3 more than 4h in a row. I'm just scared because the errors aren't always at the same time and if they are random it can happen at any time.
Atm i'm running prime with AI Clock Twister set to Stronger. It's performing better than with a lower setting, 2h and no errors til now...
another strange board :)
cant either get it right even after months ... still priming ...right now, trying a notch of stuff every time...
naah, soon try another board, and if its the same I can admit myself beaten, that it's not the board if the other one is the same :)
its so damn picky.... and prime is SO random in crashes, im starting to wonder whats up?
btw, this Clock overcharge thing? googled it, but didnt find anything..
Failed the same test... 2048K :(
Can anyone tell me why when i increase the vNB prime fails in some seconds?
couse this board is strange :)
i tried yesterday to do as "everybody" says, that VTT should be slightly over vcc , so i have 1.40vcore and i did put 1.42 vtt , and it failed immedietly in prime, ofcourse i set the GTL to match the vtt, my cpu likes 1.16vtt nothing else wont work well.. so this HIGH VTT thing i dont get why people are using?
and the vNB are also strange as you experienced, dont get it why its so picky? why wasnt it like that before with older boards?
are you priming blend?
nunor, you have done some tweaking that is beyond what many of us have needed to do (NB clock skew and CPU clock skew) How have you come to find that your current settings are not part of the problem? Perhaps the latest BIOS 0605 will allow you to run on auto. With my memory, I have found that a DRAM Clock Skew delay of 275ps for both channels A and B (black slots) has worked well. As deachus has mentioned, increasing FSB voltage has been helpful for increasing the FSB frequency. You may also want to up the CPU pll a bit as well (1.56 would be a good place to start).
Just a thought: with auto settings, voltages are adjusted according to BIOS. For example with FSB setting of 450 MHz, the NB voltage of 1.6v is uncovered which may or may not work. So if you manually set some voltages at the lowest level just to do so, you may in fact be doing yourself a disservice.
I fixed the two 2048K FTT errors. The first one i had to set the twister to Strong/Stronger and the 2nd i needed PL 9. Tested 1 hour of 2048K tests and no more errors. Anyway, is there a way to reduce PL and keep the stability?
I'm running prime blend ofc. Sometimes high voltages don't mean stability. My system runs prime with no errors 12h @ 3.2 and rams @ 1600 with all stock voltages... 1.25vNB, 1.50vPLL, 1.10vFSB and 1.20vcore(bios!). Why would i need more than 1.6vNB to run more 25FSB? I think it just needs the right settings and no excessive voltages.
As i said before tried higher voltages and resulted in 3 second prime errors. About the skews i saw deachus oc profiles, tried something like that and after lots of hours spent the 3 minutes errors are now in 8h.
btw, i'm already using bios 605 ;)
no im sick of this board, one setting works, then it doesnt.
been trying to get my cpu 3hr stable in prime, small or blend, IT DONT WORK nomather what freakin setting.....tried low, tried high tried good GTL... nothing, it still errors or BSOD.
first i change one thing, get back in priming, and like, wow, 1hr gone, 1..20 ...1...30. .. BAM , bsod...
and then i get back in bios, think a bit...what to change, and i decide to lower some nb, and get back then it works for like 2hrs before it BSOD again..
WTF? then i lower it some more, now it crashes earlier.... and then i get it back and it f-upped there to? it works pretty good until it crashes, then the given setting wont work anymore im so sick of this. specially when you are trying trying and trying.... and it just wont work. tried skews nb skews cpu skews, good combination of stuff, not crossvolteging, setting GTL right, upped and lowes GTL a bit, up with vtt, etc etc, ALL , and still it crashes.
I got this:
http://images0.hiboox.com/images/420...cf0b4de44b.jpg
and this is how it looks: http://images0.hiboox.com/images/420...b0ed967494.jpg
For those that would like to ask, the mosfets aren't hot at all without anything on it :D :D
BSOD's are weird... run memtest to see if you got errors. Set the refresh cycle time to 60, it's important. Using auto the board sets it to 88 and i was getting memtest errors but when i defined it to 60 was ok.
Atm i'm trying to fight with the 8h error but it's something stupid. Sometimes i can run the test with success but after a reboot i'll get an error on that test.
About the MB temperature, where is the MB sensor located? I bought a OCZ XTC ram cooler to push a little bit my rams and it lowered my MB temp 10ºC.
BSOD i dont know why, to low voltages usually are becouse of BSOD, and I've done memtest 2.01 many times, but i got it right now i think, passed 3hr 10 mins yesterday, and i stopped it myself, stable enough for me.
but it required 1.42v for 4,5ghz, i think i was to proud to admit that it required that much volt :) so i did EVERYTHING, fine tuned it to the top until i admitted that it needed more vcore :) atleast its tuned now hehe. still getting the rampage extreme i think, now im sick of this board anyway, and hoping for lower voltage and a more tuned board, as I've seen folks getting stable at lower vcores when changing boards.
and yes im using either trfc 72 or 60 , i figured that out a while ago, when it was set to 82 or 86 or what it was as auto, and i was getting crashes and all kinds of stuff, couldnt get why?!?! so after many trial and errors i changed it down just for a lucky shot, and it was rock stable, howcome the spd not putting right value there? sure i have ooold spd in my ram thats from january when the RAM was brand new released.
I noticed something important with this board .
With FSB at 445 mhz and Vram = 1.7 volt , i start a test with prime95 and immediately , i have got an error . But not with superpi .
So , i decide logically to increase Vram at 1.8 volt .
I do the test again and prime95 work well without any error but when i do a superpi test , i notice an freeze after 2 minutes !!
Incredible !! :eek:
The solution to solve this problem was to put CPU clock skew delay at 300 ps and NB clock skew delay at 200 ps like recommended here :
http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/fo...d.php?p=287371 :up:
So what's with the lower trfc giving a more stable system? I would have thought that the opposite would be true but I don't really know what this setting is actually doing anyway.
HiQuote:
Originally Posted by Razmatazz
About stability I don't know. It helps the bandwith & super Pi for sure ;)
I can't pass the 425FSB barrier. After a lot of tweaking i'm able to run hours of prime with 425fsb but more than this will result in instant prime errors :(
If your ram is not in question ,try to play with cpu clock skew : increase it at 500 ps and test again .Quote:
Originally Posted by nunor
I had the same problem to pass the 400fsb until i found the right skews. The problem is that i don't know how to pick the best GTL's, nb skew and cpu skew :( I'm just trying lucky shots.
Atm i'm using GTL67/69, cpu 400ps, nb 200ps.
I can run prime 8h with no errors but sometimes i get 1 error after 8h30m. I tried to run that test and i can pass the test now and if i run it again i get an error dunno why. Anyway i think 8h is stable enough.
OCCT says stable...
After a lot of tests with this board , my conclusion is that the X48 chipset can't support a too high bandwidth with quadcore . :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by nunor
Try 5:8 ratio and relaxed timming instead of 1:2 ratio in order to decrease memory bandwith if you want be able to increase cpu frequency and get stable with prime95.
Hi,Quote:
Originally Posted by djstx2003
I have very same configuration means QX9650, p5e3 deluxe wifi and sticks Corsair 4 GB DDR3 1800. After changing the settings I could boot 1st time but then from second time I could only get to splash screen on Asus Gate and then no matter if I try to enter BIOS or OS PC turns off!
I made a cold reset of CMOS and then make all changes again (as it was back to 133 MHZ in BIOS) but only left memory timings according to datasheet:
2N, 8,8,8,24. Exactly the same result. Can not boot 2nd time. Only splash screen. I am tired of dismantling PC and making CMOS reset. Please help!
Thank you.
CPU Voltage = 1.12500 (Bios)
Don't think you'll boot at 3600Mhz with that vcore...
I'm assuming you mean ExpressGate. Disable it.Quote:
Originally Posted by antonka
Okay now :) I did put CPU skew 400 and NB skew 200, Now it has gone 50 mins no error, just before i changed, it went 4 mins before it errored in Blend. now 40 with these changes :) thats sweet. you never think that one setting will help, but obviously it does things :) now im feeling "little" better with maa mommy board.
but still RE is the bigger brother, and he's tougher and harder hehe........ want to be friend with it :P
I was doing some P95 stability testing today and found it very easy for some reason to get 466FSB 1:1 stable. This did require CPU 1.33v set in bios.
Here's a screenshot. Its still running strong as I type this, no errors.
I just want 3.6 but don't know why with your oc profiles i always get a bsod on windows logo...
Quote:
Originally Posted by nunor
Probably because my settings are too tight for your Samsung IC's. Try using a higher PL like 8 or 9.
The PL on your profile was on auto and i think i tried to set it to 9 and use 8-8-8-21 timings even with an higher vdimm... bsod like always.
Nobody is going to be able to give you the exact settings for your hardware to run 450FSB stable. This is what I do to find stable settings:Quote:
Originally Posted by nunor
1: Change one setting in Bios
2: Boot to MemTest x86 and run 3 passes
3: If error then go into bios and change one setting
4: Run MemTest again (If pass 3 times with no errors boot into windows)
5: Repeat over and over till you pass MemTest with correct settings
6: Boot into windows and run p95 Blend
7: If I get error I go into bios and change CPU/NB settings since mem was stable in Memtest
8: Repeat these steps over and over until you find stability at the FSB you want
This did not happen overnight for me, I have had this setup since late July and it's been getting better and better each week. That is after endless hours and hours of testing.
Passing memtest at 1800MHz don't avoid prime 5sec errors.
Ditto that nunor. This means that your memory is capable of running at that speed but your system is not stable at that speed. I believe that the issue with running at that speed has to do with the bandwidth required. This will require tweaking NB voltage, GTLs, NB & CPU Skews, Pll, VTT, ect........Head spinning yet???
Take it easy and make small steps. If you're stable at FSB 400, then go to 410 and tweak that first and move up slowly one step at a time. As deachus has pointed out, it takes many hours of tweaking.
Many hours Razmatazz? Haha, I'm just messing with you. It has taken me hours and hours and hours compiled over 3 months.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razmatazz
You will get out of your setup what you put into it. The more time, testing and tweaking, the better results you will get. You must be determined!
I was not happy at all with the results I was getting the first month I had the setup assembled. But I was determined to figure it out and obtain the stable settings I wanted.
Nunor - I have a set of 2x1GB G.Skill D9GTS sticks for sale if you want them. You will most def. be able use my Profiles with them. I am keeping one kit for benching and I am selling one kit to put the money towards the CSX Diablo 2x2GB D9GTS sticks. I found a contact across the pond that will be shipping them to me Monday and they are confirmed D9GTS 2x2GB.
I think the ram is not the problem because i tried 3 ram sets (ocz platinum 1800, ocz reaperx 1333 and gskill hz 1600) and the oc problem is the same.. until 400fsb is ok, after that is a pain in the ass!
After lots of days spent in the last months trying to tweak this i found something stable at 425FSB. If i increase 5MHz i'll get an error on the first test... same story that happened when i passed from 400 to 425 but this time i'm not lucky to find the good settings :\
I know that GTL's depends on the vFSB but i don't know how to find the good values for them (in "ps"). Same story for the cb/nb skews, i'm just trying lucky shots but with no success til now.
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Originally Posted by nunor
I was trying to find the tightest 24/7 timings my sticks would run and heres were I'm at so far. After finding 8-6-7-19-2T stable I tried going tighter and using 1T which worked which was a surprise.
I posted this in the OC section but doesn't look like anyone's got time to help:rolleyes:, so I thought I'd give it a go here since this thread is dedicated to the same MB I have, Would appreciate ANY help or feedback, thanks.
Now take it easy on me I'm a nood when it comes to OC'ing which I'm looking into, I want to push my Q9450 from stock 2.66GHz to around 3.2GHz (I know it sounds low compared to most on this board) but I just wanted a bit more without raising temps too much.
I've got 4 of these OCZ DDR3 PC3 - 12800 memory ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227320 ) but I wanted to find out what is the PC # for this memory? All I can find on this memory is PC3 but what exactly is that? is it PC3200, PC3200, PC3500 or PC3700?? and are am I right with the below settings for this card?
Effective speed: 1600 MHz
Operating Frequency: 800 MHz <----Is this correct?
Timing is: 7-7-7-24 <--- should be correct
Currently running @: 1.9v
also I've got a Q9450 @ stock 2.66 GHz
Effective FSB: 1333Mhz
Real FSB: 333MHz
Multiplier: 8
which gives me the sock CPU speed of 2.66MHz (Duh..)
my Motherboard is: Asus P5E3 Premium.
Now I've read the Noob's OC'ing guide:http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=57148 But I think that this is a bit outdated (written in 2005) and I've also been going through the Q9450 Temp and setting thread: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...182602&page=41 .
Now can someone give me a brief guide through as to how approach raising the CPU speed to around 3.2GHz? I've already played around with the settings for the memory in the BIOS to get the system running stable as it kept on freezing when I first got it, so I just changed the below settings from Auto to:
DRAM Voltage: 1.90
DRAM Frequency: DDR3-1600MHz
CAS# Latency: 7
RAS# to CAS# Delay: 7
RAS# PRE Time: 7
RAS ACT Time: 24
These were the recommended settings from OCZ ( a fellow Xtreme member helped me with this ) or else I would still be sitting with a very unstable system. Currently my system seems very stable and I just wanted an easy guide through as to what I'd change in the BIOS to increase the CPU speed. Should I take small incremental steps while raising the CPU or just increase it up to 3.2GHz all in one time.
I know this might sound a bit of a bore to most of you OC'ing whores (excuse the French) but reading soo many threads has helped me a lot but I think I've also read a lot of unnecessary info, which is why I'm looking to someone who'd be kind enough to explain a few of the basic steps needed to OC the CPU to get it running stable with the current memory I've got.
Thanks in advance for any feedback given
Oh one more thing my OS is Windws Vista Ultimate x64bit
ok ok, after reading a little bit more on this thread I've got a few questions. With the above hardware I plan on doing the following:
Increasing the FSB from 333 to 400 with a multiplier of 8 (stock multiplier setting) should effectively give me 3.2GHz correct?
this would mean running at 4 x 400 = 1600MHz correct? If so would my memory be able to cope with this as the effective speed is 1600MHz but the operating frequency is 800MHz? sorry if this is a dumb question.
Now my question is what voltages would you guys recommend to start with? to see how stable the system would be?
CPU Voltage
CPU GTL Voltage Ref (0/2) and (1/3)
CPU PLL Voltage
FSB Termination Voltage
NB Voltage
NB GTL frequency
SB Voltage
DRAM Voltage I will keep at 1.90v (as specified by OCZ, I might try running it on 1.8v and see if it'll work)
and would I have to change the CPU Ratio setting or FSB Frequency?
Any other changes you could recommend or any settings you'd recommend I keep on auto would greatly appreciated :rolleyes:
I can run 400*8 with all stock voltages. At 400FSB your ram will run at 1600MHz (the 800MHz you see you have to multiply by 2 to find the real speed)Quote:
Originally Posted by Defratos
FSB Strap=333
CPU Voltage: 1.25v (make sure u set Load Line Calibration=Normal, you don't need all that voltage but it won't hurt because will be the same as stock voltage)
CPU GTL Voltage Ref (0/2) and (1/3) = Auto
CPU PLL Voltage = 1.50
FSB Termination Voltage = 1.10
NB Voltage = 1.25
NB GTL frequency = Auto
SB Voltage = Auto
DRAM Voltage: Set the timings and voltage according to ocz site and set the Refresh Cycle Time to 60 manually.
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Originally Posted by nunor
The refresh cycle time of 60 may not work for his IC's, might be to tight. This will depend on the type of IC's on those OCZ sticks. There is a very good thread over at OCZ Forum in regards to his sticks and the P5E3 Premium board. Tony OCZ has also posted bios profiles for QUAD's, P5E3 Premium and different OCZ memory.
Just a suggestion
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Originally Posted by nunor
Thanks for tha added info guys, just a slight clarification I would set the FSB Strap to NB @ 333 and not 400MHz?
and where would I find the option to set the load line calibration to normal?
and you're right Deachus I have seen the thread over at OCZ conserning my RAM and it is loaded with info so I'm just taking my time in reading all of it. Thanks once again.
What exactly does IC's stand for?
Do you happen to know what the stock voltages are? because in the BIOS it doesn't show and in windows it only shows my Vcore Temp which @ stock was 1.14v. But I have no idea what the stock NB voltages are or for that matter what the other stock voltages were at?Quote:
Originally Posted by nunor
any decent programs out there that can read the voltages to other components other than the Vcore? I.e. any programs that can read what my stock NB v is at?
You don't need fsb strap 400 to run at 400fsb. It's like a timing, if you are overclocking the fsb a lot you'll probably need to relax the nb to find the stability. In other words, strap 333 is faster than 400.
LLC option should at the bottom of the same page.
I don't know if ocz mems can't handle 60 tRFC, i just said that because i had 2 sets of ocz's and the board didn't like them. I advise you to run memtest and check if you get errors.
IC's are the integrated circuits that you memory uses. Even the same ram model can have different IC's. You can only check that if you remove the heatsink but you'll probably void your warranty.
The stock voltages are the voltages that i posted before. You can check in the bios when you select an option, on the right side will show you the information about the stock values, normally are the lowest values after Auto. You can't check voltages in windows with any program because the board doesn't got that feature.
PS: if you are using 8GB os ram you may need extra NB voltage.
Hi guys, this thread has been looking dead for a while so why not liven' it up a little, here goes:
I've managed to get my Q9450 stable @ 3.2Ghz, this wasn't too difficult. But now I'm trying to get my 4GB OCZ 1600 Reapers to work at their stock speed. Before I managed to get the system stable by using 1300Mhz but now I've bumped this up to 1600Mhz which is the stock RAM speed for the OCZs that I have. Now where I'm having trouble is I can run 2 hours of OCCT completely stable, but 10min after the test the computer will freeze, sometimes I've been able to use it for 1.5hrs after the OCCT test and then it'll freeze, so I'm not sure which settings I would have to change to get the system more stable. Below are my settings which gets me through the OCCT stability test, also I've noticed that even though the computer will pass OCCT it refuses to pass Prime without errors. I always get an error around 10-15min into the test usually on Core 4, but I have had it give me errors on core 1 and 3 as well. So I'm a bit lost to what this is indicating. If anyone could suggest any changes to my bios to get the system more stable I'd really appreciate it thanks.
CPU Ratio: 8.0
FSB Strap: 333
FSB Freq: 400
PCIE Freq: 100
DRAM Freq: 1601
DRAM Command rate: 2N
Timings: 7-7-7-24 (stock timings)
DRAM CLK Skew A: Norm
DRAM CLK Skew B: Norm
Dynamic Read & Write: Disabled
Ai Clock twister: Auto
Ai Transaction Booster: Auto
CPU Voltage: 1.29375
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.54
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.30
DRAM Voltage: 1.90 (stock voltage)
NB Voltage: 1.45-1.47
NB GTL frequency: 0.61
SB Voltage: Auto
LLC: Normal
CPU SS: Disabled
PCIE SS: Disabled
Anything I haven't listed will be in Auto. So if anyone could give me a helping hand to getting the system more stable (i.e. pass Prime error free for a few hours, or not freeze after OCCT 2 hr stability test) I would really appreciate it, thanks.:up:
Defratos
I would say you need to change the following settings.
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.6
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.32-1.36
DRAM Voltage: This should be fine but try going up to 2.0v
NB Voltage: 1.58v - 1.65v
NB GTL frequency: 0.67
I would say the most important setting you need to change is your vNB especially running 4GB of ram.
Here are some screenshots after many many hours of stability testing over the past 3-4 days. I could not get stable past 350FSB running 4x1GB D9GTS so I ordered a Mushkin 2x2GB D9GTS kit which should be arriving any day. I will be doing some extensive testing this weekend with those sticks and will post my results and settings. I would also suggest you follow the steps below to confirm your system is stable. I have come to find out passing the OCCT 2 hour test means nothing and does not confirm your system is stable. Try this out:
1: Run Memtest86 Test 5 before booting into OS. If you pass test 5 three or four times with no errors then boot into windows
2: Run HCI Windows Memtest and let it run for 20 minutes but you should run it overnight to confirm no errors
3: Run LinX 50 runs or 100 runs and see if you get any errors
4: Run Prime95 overnight and see if you pass that
If you have done all 4 steps and passed everything with no errors then you can say your system is stable. I found LinX errors after 25 runs and had to up my vTT one notch and passed everything after making that change. Yes this process takes a while but is the best way to confirm your CPU and memory are stable.