AMD Officially Denies Bulldozer Delay !

From BSN:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by BSN

From the official side, information about Bulldozer-based products have always been very scarce. In the conference call about the wafer supply agreement amendment investors at the beginning of April and the assembled press were told, that there is "very good progress on Bulldozer" by no less than the interim CEO Thomas Seifert himself. In AMDs 1Q 2011 earnings call Rick Bergman, Senior Vice President and General Manager at AMD when questioned about the launch dates of different Bulldozer-based products noted that:

"...we indicated early summer for desktops and late summer for servers. And that's still where we're at."

In order to get to the bottom of this story, we have contacted Mr. Drew Prairie and Mr. Steve Howard, AMD's PR representatives close to heart of the matter. We inquired about the statement Rick Bergman made and received the following answer:

"Our public roadmap has not changed."

---

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news...lay2c-but.aspx

:cool:

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...9qvY5f4dP5zjNg

Yes, the source is the Bull Sh*t Network (BSN) but the source is legit as it is straight from AMD's PR Department.

They would not be allowed to make a statement unless they knew something about the situation.

Early summer = Late June

My 16th birfday will be July 3rd...I hope to have one of the 8 cores and a UD5/Crosshair V in my hands at that point

Good to know, thanks.
Now to see some numbers!

I didn't know there was rumors about BD getting delayed anyway. I need an OCTA core system ASAP.

Glad its not been delayed, hate it when people make up bull:banana::banana::banana::banana: just to piss everybody off.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by BeepBeep2

Early summer = Late June

My 16th birfday will be July 3rd...I hope to have one of the 8 cores and a UD5/Crosshair V in my hands at that point

---

Gosh when I was 16 I was enamoured with my P4 3.2C Northwood and 9800Pro. Oh how things have changed.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by CedricFP

Gosh when I was 16 I was enamoured with my P4 3.2C Northwood and 9800Pro. Oh how things have changed.

---

I wouldn't be anywhere near as well off without chew* (Brian) here, Bingo13 (Gary) and 64NOMIS (Simon) from AMD...
When I turned twelve I built a rig with an Athlon X2 5600+, Nvidia 8800GTS 320MB and nforce 590 sli board...Vista had just been released and things were pretty nice :p:

I didn't really get into OC'ing until early '09 when I joined here, ended up with a Phenom II 965BE, HD 4850 and 790X-UD4P in my hands that christmas...held me over a while :ROTF:

"...we indicated early summer for desktops and late summer for servers. And that's still where we're at."

Ummm.... :confused:

That's not very reassuring coming from you Bingo.... :(

I guess summer doesn't officially start until June 21st, so July could still be
considered early summer, but I was certainly hoping for something sooner. :rolleyes:

man, I dont know, its so much confusing...

oh the anticipation!

all we can is wait-wait-wait

In France, Rumors are more Aug-Sept as I indicated before ...

http://translate.googleusercontent.c...Q0-18xp9battVg

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Olivon

In France, Rumors are more Aug-Sept as I indicated before ...

http://translate.googleusercontent.c...Q0-18xp9battVg

---

Same source as before :cool:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Olivon

In France, Rumors are more Aug-Sept as I indicated before ...

http://translate.googleusercontent.c...Q0-18xp9battVg

---

it doesn't get more trustable just because the same rumor from the same source gets posted on yet another side :down:

I've gotten bored with PCs, something cool better come out.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by generics_user

it doesn't get more trustable just because the same rumor from the same source gets posted on yet another side :down:

---

Hardware.fr made its own insight job before posting this newz, they got several contatcs and I trust 'em.
I would be very happy if BD hits the street the sooner possible and brings some competition in the party.
I just share information that I find and, for now, they're not so good regarding hard launch. Hope things will change though ...

maybe they really only need next time to fixed some "problems". Oh, so much hate this waiting, it is full stressed :).

AMD says June, why would they lie about that?

Why should we trust other various rumors and sources over AMD?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by CedricFP

Gosh when I was 16 I was enamoured with my P4 3.2C Northwood and 9800Pro. Oh how things have changed.

---

Ah, you were one of those. :D I was an AMD user at that point on an Athlon XP 2500+ or XP-M 2600+. I'm not sure which I was using at that time. The mobile chip would clock to 2.6 GHz while the 2500 it replaced maxed around 2.3 GHz.

gigabyte UD5 and UD7 look very good and tempting ;)

asus is screwing up most of its lates boards in terms of layout and time to market so it isn't an AMD only problem from them (i'm desperately waiting for Maximus IV Gene-Z because i don't like to buy a baby blue gigabyte board for my all black case, 2600k, 4 Hitachi 7k1000.Cs, 8gb Ram, TRUE, Seasonic X560 are already waiting for the board...)

MSI still has to reveal its AM3 Big Band board as the first leak got degraded to a GD80 ;)

but amd really has to get their Raid 5 Support together (better: license the IP for a proper integrated raid controller), i'm tired of buying intel boards because i don't want to spend 200€ on an aftermarket raid controller to get more than 100mb/s over my network from the raid 5 array...

and i don't get it why they didn't slap the Llano A75 chipset (which offers everything 950 has + 4x USB3.0 and is ready for launch) onto 990FX :shakes:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by generics_user

and i don't get it why they didn't slap the Llano A75 chipset (which offers everything 950 has + 4x USB3.0 and is ready for launch) onto 990FX :shakes:

---

According to AMD:
http://translate.google.com/translat...545%2F&act=url

Both PU's are transition models, Zambezi have old chipset (only slightly different), while Llano have old cores.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Particle

Ah, you were one of those. :D I was an AMD user at that point on an Athlon XP 2500+ or XP-M 2600+. I'm not sure which I was using at that time. The mobile chip would clock to 2.6 GHz while the 2500 it replaced maxed around 2.3 GHz.

---

When i was 16 i had an Amstrad PC XT (8086) with 512 KB ram, updated to 640 KB, EXPENSIVE!!!! :D

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Mats

AMD says June, why would they lie about that?

Why should we trust other various rumors and sources over AMD?

---

Come on, those sources are reliable, they are the same ones who predicted the end of the world would happen last week, and they were right! :yepp:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by bingo13

"...we indicated early summer for desktops and late summer for servers. And that's still where we're at."

Ummm.... :confused:

---

I really dont know why everyone is throwing around all sorts of ideas and dates and everyone is saying all different things. The slides that leaked from under NDA back in January said launch or release info would be at E3 in early June. Since then nothing has been said for a change and now the PR department said it is still on schedule for that same release area as the slides from January said.

Denial is a river in Egypt. I'll have my BD chip by mid July Goddern it! :D

I expect AMD to make a full anouncement at E3 in June. They have always said they would be there.

guys have a look at this. I have no clue if it is accurate but if it is then all I can say is :banana::banana::banana::banana: yeah :D

http://translate.google.com/translat...130067349.html

Amd Zambezi scored over 80,000 points on 3DMark Vantage CPU Score

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by jmm5351

guys have a look at this. I have no clue if it is accurate but if it is then all I can say is :banana::banana::banana::banana: yeah :D

http://translate.google.com/translat...130067349.html

Amd Zambezi scored over 80,000 points on 3DMark Vantage CPU Score

---

PHYSX enabled......

Old stuff... with PhysX on, a 2600K scores 70K or slightly more.

http://history.nasa.gov/SP-350/i13-1.jpg

Quote:

---

Just above Llano we will have the long awaited Bulldozer CPU. AMD originally wanted to launch Bulldozer at Computex but performance issues with its B0 and B1 stepping chips pushed back the launch. Now we're looking at a late July launch with B2 silicon, but performance today is a big unknown. Apparently the performance of B1 stepping silicon doesn't look too good.

---

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4365/c...8-motherboards








edit: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=271578 ahaa, there was a thread! /nevermind

Late July... :(

Quote:

---

Apparently the performance of B1 stepping silicon doesn't look too good.

---

Fail.
And would explain the lack of leaked benchmarks.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by zalbard

And would explain the lack of leaked benchmarks.

---

But we did have B1 stepping leaked benchmarks...

Photoshopped ones, you mean? lol. Poorly done ones at that...
There is almost no information available to make a reasonable guess about BD's performance atm.
Those that looked somewhat believable showed way too low performance to be true. Unless B1 (or was it B0?) is really bad and B2 is going to make a significant leap forward.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by CedricFP

Gosh when I was 16 I was enamoured with my P4 3.2C Northwood and 9800Pro. Oh how things have changed.

---

When I was 16 I was enamoured with my commodore 64! ;)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DarthShader

Old stuff... with PhysX on, a 2600K scores 70K or slightly more.

---

The core I7 2600k scored 64146 in the test and if you read the article it says a gtx 580 was used for that test. The 8110 scored 81917 using only a gtx 560. If this is not real then it sucks but if it is real then that's amazing.

Guys forget about those benchmarks,none of the are verifiable. Just wait ,it won't be long now.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by jmm5351

The core I7 2600k scored 64146 in the test and if you read the article it says a gtx 580 was used for that test. The 8110 scored 81917 using only a gtx 560. If this is not real then it sucks but if it is real then that's amazing.

---

really it's not.

8 cores verus 4 cores plus 4 ht threads.......it's inline with what you would expect from an 8 core AMD cpu.....

It's a no brainer to calculate that amd will win in a thread to thread compare against intel, it's always been that way.

The problem is no one compares thread to thread, they go by core count which once again as I said before we will beat sandy in multithreaded, lose to gulfy in multithreaded.

Reviewers will however show this as an 8 core AMD cpu beating a 4 core intel but losing to a 6 core intel.......

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by chew*

Reviewers will however show this as an 8 core AMD cpu beating a 4 core intel but losing to a 6 core intel.......

---

Oh, you got your BD sample already? :)

Bulldozer listed already in China?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DarthShader

Oh, you got your BD sample already? :)

---

no, the calculations can be made using current cpu's. disable cores on thuban run 4 core, rerun with 6 cores, check variance in score, multiply by 2 you get a theroretical 8 core which will beat sandy but still be far enough from gulfy that even a cpc improvement would be tough to make up the difference.

The reality is 8 threads are handicapped to 12......

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by chew*

no, the calculations can be made using current cpu's. disable cores on thuban run 4 core, rerun with 6 cores, check variance in score, multiply by 2 you get a theroretical 8 core which will beat sandy but still be far enough from gulfy that even a cpc improvement would be tough to make up the difference.

The reality is 8 threads are handicapped to 12......

---

drats i was expecting this calculation...

will this be ok for 06/05? if no cb.... 6.4ghz x 8 core? :D

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Hondacity

drats i was expecting this calculation...

will this be ok for 06/05? if no cb.... 6.4ghz x 8 core? :D

---

till we know what to expect clock wise from BD on ln2 I will go along with the prediction that 01/03/05 are still deneb territory for best 3d scores on AMD.

06 is up in the air as well as vantage and 3d 11.

*note* these are just educated guesses.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by chew*

no, the calculations can be made using current cpu's. disable cores on thuban run 4 core, rerun with 6 cores, check variance in score, multiply by 2 you get a theroretical 8 core which will beat sandy but still be far enough from gulfy that even a cpc improvement would be tough to make up the difference.

The reality is 8 threads are handicapped to 12......

---

One problem with theory above is that 1 Bulldozer core is not equal to 1 Phenom II core. It is supposed to be faster. As an example we have 50% throughput gain(in server workloads) with 33% more cores.Knowing nothing scales perfectly with cores,even server workloads,you end up with better cores than Deneb class.How much better and in what type of workloads(integer,fp) is unknown.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by informal

One problem with theory above is that 1 Bulldozer core is not equal to 1 Phenom II core. It is supposed to be faster.

---

sure but then the question remains....can bulldozer match deneb top end clocks.....thuban can't and has not.

Thuban has also not dethroned deneb in 01/03/05 or even 06 for that matter....

We know for a fact there are 6.6 05 deneb chips......the question we can't answer is how much faster per core are they and how high do they OC......

If we follow thuban trend adding 2 cores cost clocks.

Well for one you have 32nm SOI highk/mg process.If it was just a shrink,without highk/mg it would bring a lot of headroom,but with highk/mg it brings a lot more to the table.Second,the way how cores are organized(modules),they draw less power than conventional cores,so you get more clock within the same power envelope.Third,the design has reduced FO4 which means a bit longer pipeline ,which in turns translates to around 20%+ potential clock raise (FO4 supposedly went from 22 to 17). Everything points out to higher clock potential of Zambezi,even with full 8 cores loaded.

I would be less inclined to make assumptions. I guess we shall see soon.

Sandy was a radical change to.....what it got was lesser clocks and wicked coldbugs. Without its IPC it would be a flop. It will also spawn a new commercial most likely ( so easy a dummy can do it )

The titantic looked good on paper and was unsinkable.

We all know how that ended.

I'm a peccimist, however I am one of those that are never dissapointed due to that fact :)

dont fear about BD as Titanic :). Better be a bit positive. I think, performance will be near 2600k in average results. For multithreading, think, can be 4 modules better than 4C/8T and in single thread a bit better for Intel CPU. With 32nm or step from higher to lower process is improve performance and OC potential ussualy.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DarthShader

But we did have B1 stepping leaked benchmarks...

---

The only semi credible ones were with B0 stepping in cinebench using 890FX mainboard.

@chew* Sandy got wider (and had an iGPU of all things to integrate), while BD partly tries to streamline work for clockspeeds. (by extrapolation, it's quite easy to see how good SB-E can clock without the extra baggage)

Only time will tell whether there are some stupid mistakes in the process of getting there, like Netburst.
Do remember though, that AMD Austin is the lead design for BD (as far as I know), a stronger team than the one that leaded K10 in general. These guys did Athlon Classic, A64 and more.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Macadamia

@chew* Sandy got wider (and had an iGPU of all things to integrate), while BD partly tries to streamline work for clockspeeds. (by extrapolation, it's quite easy to see how good SB-E can clock without the extra baggage)

Only time will tell whether there are some stupid mistakes in the process of getting there, like Netburst.
Do remember though, that AMD Austin is the lead design for BD (as far as I know), a stronger team than the one that leaded K10 in general. These guys did Athlon Classic, A64 and more.

---

Believe me I know all of this.

Just because my Avatar says what it says I am not out of the loop.

I was not removed from the loop.

I have chosen to remove myself from the loop in the very near future ;) but I'm not out of the loop just yet, there's still some work to be done. :)

Sadly, real life is calling, and it's not just calling it's yelling at the top of it's lungs.

Feel free to push "the loop" my way Chew ;)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by chew*

I would be less inclined to make assumptions.

---

But you nevertheless made a Bulldozer performance prediction by taking a Thuban + delta between Thuban and Deneb + some IPC improvements. That's a whole load of assumptions there. :)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by XRL8

The only semi credible ones were with B0 stepping in cinebench using 890FX mainboard.

---

Yeah, I might have mixed up the numbers ... :)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Macadamia

@chew* Sandy got wider (and had an iGPU of all things to integrate), while BD partly tries to streamline work for clockspeeds. (by extrapolation, it's quite easy to see how good SB-E can clock without the extra baggage)

---

Actually SB is still 4 issue so it didn't widen you probably mean that it got deeper which it did.

Also how does one partly streamline work for clock speed?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DarthShader

But you nevertheless made a Bulldozer performance prediction by taking a Thuban + delta between Thuban and Deneb + some IPC improvements. That's a whole load of assumptions there. :)

---

Educated guess's are not assumptions. They are improving IPC slightly. They are adding 2 cores....It's not hard to do worst case scenario math.

Like I said my approach leaves me never being dissapointed. Anything else is a bonus.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by EniGmA1987

Feel free to push "the loop" my way Chew ;)

---

I never asked for my "loop" nor did I go chasing it down. It chose me. It may also end with me.

Is the loop like the Burns family circle of trust?:buddies:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by james333

Is the loop like the Burns family circle of trust?:buddies:

---

I don't know, you tell me...NDA was up yesterday, this is the first anyone has even known I even had boards.......and i'm not "signed" to NDA.

http://chew.ln2cooling.com/qdig-file...d_IMG_3751.jpg

So which board you like best chew*?

I was leaning toward the MSI, but reviews look like it needs a little bios work yet.

Since it looks like BD is going to be delayed, I may just go with a Llano build to satisfy my need for new gear. I'd still like to get your opinion though... :up:

Same question chew*.

I might need to buy new mobo very soon due to failing CH IV.
Any of these recommended for OC fun on AIR/Water and good DualChannel memory clocks?

Feel free to PM me in case you don't want to upset any of friendly board markers. ;)

Are nay of these UEFI bios boards quicker to boot than the current CHIV please?

Its the only reason I'd want a UEFI board! - The promised super quick boot times (which I aint seen delivered yet!)

hmmmmm why is it on sale already if it's delayed?

FX 8130P now! get one already & do the test! woot!
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=10505340290

http://wccftech.com/2011/05/30/amd-b...9980-yuan-308/

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by chew*

I don't know, you tell me...NDA was up yesterday, this is the first anyone has even known I even had boards.......and i'm not "signed" to NDA.

http://chew.ln2cooling.com/qdig-file...d_IMG_3751.jpg

---

Just because you haven't said anything doesn't mean we didn't have our strong suspicions :p:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by duron

hmmmmm why is it on sale already if it's delayed?

FX 8130P now! get one already & do the test! woot!
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=10505340290

http://wccftech.com/2011/05/30/amd-b...9980-yuan-308/

---

Taobao is the Chinese answer to eBay. That is probably fake, and is even using the concept art.

@ andos
'fraid either totally fake or somebody selling samples. Even the stated speed on the OEM 8110 system is well below what is expected.

:(

That advert also says "X4 9750"

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by chew*

I don't know, you tell me...NDA was up yesterday, this is the first anyone has even known I even had boards.......and i'm not "signed" to NDA.

http://chew.ln2cooling.com/qdig-file...d_IMG_3751.jpg

---

Good to know some people still operate with the code of honor chew:clap:

Also, what the hell is a *CHIV* ? this has been bothering the crap out of me every time i see it mentioned.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Brother Esau

Also, what the hell is a *CHIV* ? this has been bothering the crap out of me every time i see it mentioned.

---

Crosshair 4.

CHIV= Crosshair IV :)

nice collection set Chew* :) Will u tetsing with Thubans or later with BD chips?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Brother Esau

Good to know some people still operate with the code of honor chew:clap:

Also, what the hell is a *CHIV* ? this has been bothering the crap out of me every time i see it mentioned.

---

"For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more."

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by [XC] Oj101

Just because you haven't said anything doesn't mean we didn't have our strong suspicions :p:

---

screw suspicions we all knew he had a few...
we didnt even need to see them because we all know he is gauranteed to have some because he keeps his mouth shut when he doesn't have to

When I translate the page about Llano I find some useful(maybe) info on it.
http://translate.google.com/translat...F11_99185.html

Quote:

---

Llano official version has been shipped, BD is unknown

---

looks like Llano is begin shipping, but bulldozer shipment is still unknown. Maybe even the internal worker also have questions about the situation.

Edit: This guy also posted some test about Llano, even last year he posted some leaked "Detailed parameters Phenom II X6", but later he had no post in almost one year, that's why he is looked like an informed person.
I decided to follow this guy, maybe he will give out other info in the future. (the last post is at May 28, with Llano at 4ghz)
http://translate.google.com/translat...%2Fdick_ken%2F

Edit2: the google trans link sucks I spend a lot of time to correct it.

AMD admit Bulldozer is delayed and says they will compete on price/perf more than on pure perf.

:(

http://www.hardware.fr/news/11583/co...n-retarde.html

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by LowRun

AMD admit Bulldozer is delayed and says they will compete on price/perf more than on pure perf.

:(

http://www.hardware.fr/news/11583/co...n-retarde.html

---

I fail to find where AMD admit that there.
BS is on and on...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by LowRun

AMD admit Bulldozer is delayed and says they will compete on price/perf more than on pure perf.

:(

http://www.hardware.fr/news/11583/co...n-retarde.html

---

The googlish tell me there isn't any official info. IMO it's still plausible statement.

No official statement there. Hardware.fr talked to various mobo manuf who confirmed the delay, so they went and asked AMD who had no choice but to admit. If you know Hardware.fr then you know it's true.

Would it be so hard for any idiot at AMD to just come out and say there's a delay or BD is on schedule? Way to treat your customers AMD. A company run by buffoons...Just :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing confirm or deny the rumours.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by freeloader

Would it be so hard for any idiot at AMD to just come out and say there's a delay or BD is on schedule? Way to treat your customers AMD. A company run by buffoons...Just :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing confirm or deny the rumours.

---

Well they still have a month to the end of Q2.However yes, would be nice to JF pop in and say "Yup" or "no".
There was a time when AMD was morein touch with the userbase, seems like now its intel, sad part of it is that intel is more in touch however its more of a gay priest "touch" :-/

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by XRL8

sad part of it is that intel is more in touch however its more of a gay priest "touch" :-/

---

made me :D

If its a delay till Sept, then its a fail for the xmas/holiday season system sales. This will hurt there stock alot going into the end of year. Great AMD...

RussC

chew* > some interesting guesses there mate :D

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by RussC

If its a delay till Sept, then its a fail for the xmas/holiday season system sales. This will hurt there stock alot going into the end of year. Great AMD...

RussC

---

Huh ?If they introduce the chip in september, they fail the december sales ? How ?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by dinos22

chew* > some interesting guesses there mate :D

---

Heh my guess was just thuban with 2 more cores + 10%, if i hit the nail on the head it's merely coincidence. It's not a far fetched unrealistic estimation.

Even without 10% ipc improvements in theory 8 core should beat 4 core/8 thread in multithreaded apps like cinebench, vantage cpu test and wprime.

If I was AMD my concern would be in the low end segment where I was going to have to battle 2500K and 4 real cores without "innefecient" HT.

The $175 price range is an important place to be competitive in as it's preety much affordable to the majority.

just mucking around mate heheh yeah it sounds logical :)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by XRL8

Huh ?If they introduce the chip in september, they fail the december sales ? How ?

---

Yes, OEM wont have time to integrate the CPU into systems in time for holiday buying. Thats a large chunk of change for the Q3/4 qtrs and full year earnings. They will get retail sales, but OEMs are a big part sales also.

RussC

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by FlanK3r

dont fear about BD as Titanic :).

---

Another processor already took the crown of pulling a Titanic, and it was made by the other team :rofl:

AMD confirms postponement of "Bulldozer "

Quote:

---

The countless rumors had even more rules: Go to start the press conference, Rick Bergman of AMD, the shift of the "Zambezi" high-end desktop processors confirmed to late summer. According to these products become available only after two to three months in the trade.

This should lead to AMD are already in short supply, to supply an OEM equipment for the important especially overseas "Back to School" period, which traditionally begins in late summer

---

http://img862.imageshack.us/img862/9003/74060190.jpg

http://www.computerbase.de/news/hard...von-bulldozer/

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by cold2010

AMD confirms postponement of "Bulldozer "

---

:up:

Video here, from AMD's Computex Taipei 2011 Press Conference part 3, that slide is shown @ 4:15, just in case anyone thinks the pic is a fake. :p:

Well.... It sucks that we have to wait a few more months for BD, but at least they finally cleared up all the rumors.
No AMD fan wants to hear it, but from a business sense if the chip isn't quite ready they're better off to wait.
The last thing they need to do is repeat the mistakes of Agena!

Call me a fanboy (because I am ;)), at least we'll have Llano toys to hold us over... :cool:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by cold2010

AMD confirms postponement of "Bulldozer "

---

That's it I'm buying a Sandy Bridge rig...:rolleyes::rofl::p:
Give me fsb clocking or give me hell:flame:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by cold2010

AMD confirms postponement of "Bulldozer "



http://img862.imageshack.us/img862/9003/74060190.jpg

http://www.computerbase.de/news/hard...von-bulldozer/

---

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by chew*

I just think people projections are off. 2-3 weeks hardlaunch? Doubt it.

Nothing we have see adds up to that type of launch date.

Usually I would have silicon sometimes a month before.........

Then we would see board leaks....with older cpu parts..

Then we would see coolaler forums claim WR's on unreleased hardware and violate NDA doing so.....

Then we would see actual hardware leaks in china, japan, taiwan for sale early.......

---

I posted that on 5/14.........and that info is just based on mere deduction.

Some chose to believe others, let not name names ;)

It's best not to trust those that leak info, chances are they are given misinformation to flush them out as a leak source.......

^^Agree with chew*
What i posted day after.
Shall i say it??? hmmm.... yes!
We told you so! ;)

Well, since AMD confirmed it themselves the title of this topic is no longer true right? Sucks, because I was hoping Bulldozer would be released somewhere this month.

guys, dont panic...
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4389/c...o-motherboards
The other thing I did hear at the show floor regarding Bulldozer was about its clock speed. Current B1 stepping parts are easily hitting 3.8GHz which is what the high end SKU may actually ship at (with turbo support up to 4.2GHz). I'm waiting for more confirmation but it sounds like Bulldozer will at least clock very high.

Shimpi said before some days ago bull*ts about performance...still lived in meaning "BD is crap and problems with clocks" and today???? Heh, totaly diferent story. Because he really heard before only about B0...(about B1 lied and not know)

At last comes the clarifications. Looks like amd has changed its plan about APU & bulldozer, perhaps APU is in great need but yield is not enough for Llano, so they decided to sacrifice bulldozer, by postponing it about 2 month.
I'm afraid it's the long-term strategy, that put APU first, then CPU later, to feed the need of APU. I think it's right about this strategy but some high-end user maybe disappointed about this.
BTW good to hear about the Trinity sample is out, they may have enough time to plan this "bulldozer+APU" product.

Edit: I think the process node is health because Llano has no problem, the postponing is just a new strategy, being decided when the CEO, Dirk Meyer was left.

Edit2: I suddenly realized that whether there was any incorrect strategy when Dirk Meyer was still here. AFAIK the amd server platform always comes out first(Shanghai, Istanbul, etc), but this time the Zambezi is aheaded Interlagos for about a hole quarter, it maybe indirectly leaked the Interlagos performance. OTOH, the production shortage of Zacate maybe due to the wrong strategy too.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by RussC

Yes, OEM wont have time to integrate the CPU into systems in time for holiday buying. Thats a large chunk of change for the Q3/4 qtrs and full year earnings. They will get retail sales, but OEMs are a big part sales also.

RussC

---

Thing is, OEMs get CPUs faster than the retail, thats for one, and second, AM3+ is launched as of today, so the only thing OEM has to do is insert the chip, which they can do easily in the 3 month timeframe.Theres no problem in here really.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by slaveondope

That's it I'm buying a Sandy Bridge rig...:rolleyes::rofl::p:
Give me fsb clocking or give me hell:flame:

---

True dat!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by undone

At last comes the clarifications. Looks like amd has changed its plan about APU & bulldozer, perhaps APU is in great need but yield is not enough for Llano, so they decided to sacrifice bulldozer, by postponing it about 2 month.
I'm afraid it's the long-term strategy, that put APU first, then CPU later, to feed the need of APU. I think it's right about this strategy but some high-end user maybe disappointed about this.
BTW good to hear about the Trinity sample is out, they may have enough time to plan this "bulldozer+APU" product.

Edit: I think the process node is health because Llano has no problem, the postponing is just a new strategy, being decided when the CEO, Dirk Meyer was left.

---

Healthy process node doesnt mean BD is healthy.65nm was healthy for amd when they failed with agena.I dont think theyre sacrificing BD in order to ship more llano either, as theyre making much more $ per chip with server and desktop BD`s.BD is probably just not ready as everyone says.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by XRL8

the only thing OEM has to do is insert the chip, which they can do easily in the 3 month timeframe.Theres no problem in here really.

---

That's not completely accurate. Off-the-shelf PC models go through months of validation before they are available to customers. They're not just vetting out a new mobo in these PCs, they're testing the whole thing. Every component has to be leaned out as much as possible to keep costs down, and it takes a while to prove out how low they can go without sacrificing too much reliability.

--Matt

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by XRL8

Healthy process node doesnt mean BD is healthy.65nm was healthy for amd when they failed with agena.I dont think theyre sacrificing BD in order to ship more llano either, as theyre making much more $ per chip with server and desktop BD`s.BD is probably just not ready as everyone says.

---

Well, Rick Bergman stated that server CPUs were going as planned, it's only desktop parts that are being delayed a month or so... (He said mobos in 30 days and CPUs a month after that.)

Also, the margins on Llano is probably quite good too, it's a much smaller chip, compared to margins on desktop BD (if pricing rumours of top end at around 300$).

July-August could be a good starting point, the end of summer usually has decent sales. Assuming immediate availability, that is.
So much for people crapping on the news posts based on their own undisclosed sources, though... :rolleyes: