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I would say we don't make money by delivering slow hardware. Our expectation is that we'll give you a really pleasant surprise this year when we ship our DX11 hardware
It has begun! :clap:
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I would say we don't make money by delivering slow hardware. Our expectation is that we'll give you a really pleasant surprise this year when we ship our DX11 hardware
It has begun! :clap:
wow! thanks for the info!
I hope we don't see a 2900 series-esque episode.
AMD has been running a very nice show lately though, keep it up!
oooh this is making me intrigued as to what the performance is going to be like, hope they sting nvidia in the but like last time
nahhh... im expecting a 4000 series repeat, and with some luck it might get close to a 9700 pro series repeat... that would be cool :DQuote:
Originally Posted by m0da
Hold the phone, AMD is talking up their own products?
Hopes for a single die 300-400mmē card...
But it wont happen.
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I wonder if that is going to be AMD's multicore GPU with the SidePort Enabled?
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Originally Posted by randomizer
it's a teaser/sales pitch. nothing new, no specs, we just have to wait for october. :shrug:
Nice. Really hoping that it wont be fiasco like 2900XT was :)
AMD is usually really quiet unless the company has grown a confidence level above avarage ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by randomizer
Indeed, they talked big with the R600, but that was only after being backed into a corner from 8800GTX. I have high hopes, and if it delivers only way most could be massively disappointed is if this is a dual gpu solution, that needs the extra gpu to compete or surpass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartidiot89
Crossfire scaling is generally good, I wouldn't mind a dual gpu solution if the performance and price are right. EG gt300 compared to 5870x2Quote:
Originally Posted by Dainas
Some of you are talking like 800-series would be a new architecture like R600 was?
Evergreen ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by largon
I know it's just a further developed R700 which in turn was based on 600 but optimization and some added features you never know, and we have no idea about the shader count either.
Don't say the number 1200 cause that's bs posted by people claiming the core was named R800.
I'll be more surprised when these products will arrive. LOL But now, nah, they might just be creating hype on those DX11 products because they're aiming to beat nVidia on the DX11 race -on the implementation side.
They better come up big, because who wouldn't want a newer, faster piece of hardware.:p:
It does look good. :)
they might have dualgpu with 100% crossfire scaling.
that alone if true would make a pleasant suprise for us.
:up:
Promises, promises... release these cards already, dang it! :ROTF:
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I would say we don't make money by delivering slow hardware. Our expectation is that we'll give you a really pleasant surprise this year when we ship our DX11 hardware
wow.. this little POS pair of sentences is the most enthusiastic news about graphics cards I heard in the past 4 months.
No, really, it is!
That makes me wonder what you heard about 5 months ago :p:.Quote:
Originally Posted by ToTTenTranz
Hope that too...and 5870 will be mine!But gotta wait till october :(Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
im nvidia all the way, but they better get thier DX11 finger out, or im off to ATI for some DX11 goodness :yepp:
I don't get why you should stay loyal to any particular hardware company?
It's known facts that ATI drivers are 100% utter crap and can't play 3D, and since the ATI logo is red the cards can at randomly burst into flames for no apparent reasons, and their multi-gpu scaling actually scales down, while Nvidia is Green so obviously alot more powerefficient and good for the environment, also their Driver support is nothing but flawless and their multi-GPU solution has over 100% scalingQuote:
Originally Posted by Helmore
They think they are in a relationship.Quote:
Originally Posted by Helmore
It's all about the search for love.
HD4890Quote:
Originally Posted by Helmore
People have their reasons for being brand loyal just leave it at that, as long as they are happy with it themselves. Who cares if they get x% less performance for x€... At least you're free to buy whatever you want
I have high hopes for ATI's next generation, I was quite impressed with their 4800 series and I hope they can continue to deliver good results what the 4800 series can.
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Originally Posted by Smartidiot89
http://breakfree.amd.com/en-us/default.aspx
I was really hoping this surprise would come in the form of a CPU, not a GPU. I think it's safe to say AMD is competent enough to come out with as fast a GPU as they want. Their biggest weakness is in the CPU uarch department ONLY. They already have a great manufacturing process, GPUs, HyperTransport, and chipsets. They just need to bring up the launch of Bulldozer 6 months or give us Phenom IIs at a much higher clock rate.
very well said, i would probaly went with an ATI card years ago, but i am fed up hearingQuote:
Originally Posted by Smartidiot89
"catalyst 9.'insert version' released, hope it fixes my 'insert problem', ohh no it doesnt, maybe i will just 'insert tempory solution' in the meantime, till they release another version.
you just never hear that with Nvidia, and for me, driver nonsense i cant stand, there is no excuse for it.
Ironically enough, i never had a SINGLE issue with ANY Catalyst driver. Radeon 9600 Pro, Radeon x1950 Pro and now Radeon HD4850.
Same goes for NVIDIA cards. Just stay away from multi-GPU solutions. They are fast when they somehow manage to work, but compatibility equals dog :banana::banana::banana::banana: on a sidewalk most of the time. I prefer slightly lower framerate and a problem free experience.
So far it was working perfectly.
I have had some stability problems with my NVIDIA GPU drivers though. Nothing too major though, but still annoying to have your drivers stop working and then just reload all of a sudden. Now complete system crashes luckily. I've not had this with my ATI drivers, but I have less experience with ATI drivers than with NVIDIA drivers so who knows what will happen on that front in the future.
Second that, haven't heard of anyone of my friends with either ATI or Nvidia whining about driver issues. The only time these life hazardous issues occurs seems to be with multi-GPU solutions.Quote:
Originally Posted by RejZoR
I havent had any issues with my 295 working... :)
Life hazardous no, PC hazardous yes. One of the early 8 series catalysts almost fried my 2900 pro and at least 50% of the drivers since then have had issues. My card kind of feels like the orphan child tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartidiot89
As for the article I take it with about as much faith as any other industry interview.
If the die size is the same as the 4890, does anyone have any idea how many transistors could be fitted using the 40nm process? I guess a rough figure could be extrapolated using the 4770 info and scaling up...
Great, but we need good games. We donīt need any mighty dx11 hardware if all the games are crappy console-ports.
Most likely is Nvidia paying the gamedevelopers to put in some crasch code for ati cards.
Just to put some pins into the competition.:rolleyes:
ATI has had great stuff that very few if any game developers have taken up for coding.
its a shame.
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Originally Posted by Helmore
drivers and seperation anxiety.
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Originally Posted by soundood
lol you didn't realize he was actually making fun of people like you?
wow.. there are still people who believe there's a discernible difference in stability/quality between nVidia and ATI drivers..
That's like.. still believing the Earth is plane.. it's so 2001..
I'm looking forward to see how Evergreen performs.
As far as the whole ATI drivers thing goes, I've had a few minor problems in my time using a 4850/4870, some which were fixed, and others were minor quirks. One of such is being unable to enable aspect ratio locking under Windows 7. I really hope it's fixed in the Catalyst 9.7 release.
Minor stuff, but not something that would make me stop using my 4870 for, in exchange for having to pay more for a card of the same performance.
I've likeed and disliked drivers from AMD-ATI and nVidia.
what did you expect them to say?
you think a marketing person would say: "the drivers will be buggy, the chip hot because of leakage, not much volume available because tsmc is broken and it's a midrange chip for which there are no games at launch time"
:up::rofl:
AMD: "We are going to be perfectly honest with you. The Drivers is a disaster and the chip is extremely hot due to leakage issues and a undersized heatsink, the fan is noisy but thank god Evergreen will be limited edition due to TSMCs problems. Atleast we will be first with a DirectX11 card which is what really matters."Quote:
Originally Posted by W1zzard
~1700m transistors?Quote:
Originally Posted by roadie
This doesn't have anything to do with new hardware introductionQuote:
Originally Posted by YMAA
nice flamebaitQuote:
Originally Posted by Smartidiot89
Yes there are, that you haven't necessarily had problems doesn't mean other people haven't ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ToTTenTranz
The exact same thing can be said for nvidia drivers (assuming you mean ATI's stigma for making bad drivers). I've had nothing but serious trouble dealing with nvidia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xello
Symptoms:
- L4D borked for a while with 'big bang' drivers
- System would lock, and graphical corruption ensues (source games)
- Upon quiting to desktop, doing anything causes 100% CPU and the OS will freeze (mouse still able to move) for 10+ seconds
I mean both, as per the quote:Quote:
Originally Posted by cegras
If you ask me, and this is just my humble opinion, it's nonsense to disregard other people's problems with company X's hardware/software on the sole basis that you haven't experienced those problems yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by ToTTenTranz
For the record yeah ATI software was a nightmare for me, but life's too short to go on about it on a forum forever, if it doesn't work don't use it - get something else and move on.
If that doesn't work either? Buy a console :clap:
The pinnacle of futility.
I've had problems with both NVIDIA and ATI drivers.
Luckily I've never had problems with either of their drivers. The thing that scares me away from ATI cards if there is a roughly equivalent nVidia part is ATI's lackluster board partners. I wish EVGA would start making ATI cards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrono Detector
....Anyway I hope ATI's next gen is even more of a success than the 48xx series!
Depends on what they change architecturally if anything. It's really hard to guess because they could theoretically put out a DX11 compliant part with small tweaks to RV770. Or they could do a full overhaul, it's just hard to read AMD right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by roadie
On the other hand, Nvidia isn't shy about publicizing its priorities so we can probably expect them to spend/waste/invest even more transistors on general computing this time around. What that means for die size and performance comparisons is anyone's guess.
So in the end we should all abandon Nvidia, AMD and Intel and go for VIA hardware:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrono Detector
XFX?Quote:
Originally Posted by LiberalElephant
but i hardly keep cards for more than 2 years and most AIB partners offer 2-year warrantys :up:
This came to mind too. However they got rid of CEO Captain a$$ hat to things have been looking upQuote:
Originally Posted by m0da
You mean this dude?Quote:
Originally Posted by Glow9
http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/1196/hectorfx.jpg
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Originally Posted by Glow9
He did one thing right, he helped the EU get most of the 1.8 Billion they've invested in AMD back:rofl:Quote:
JohnZS Quote:
You mean this dude?
Never have any problem with Nvidia or ATI on hardware or software wise. Bang for the bucks still the main point for me.
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Originally Posted by Xello
There's a difference between:
"I've had problems with ATI/nVidia drivers, some of which weren't solved while I had the graphics card".
^^^ Plausible, right? Happened to me with both nVidia and ATI cards.
and
"ATI/nVidia drivers suckz0rs!!! I had two gazillion driver BUGZZ per second with ATI/nVidia cards and when I changed to nVidia/ATI everything got PEEERFECT! Zero BUGZ! And performance went up 2000%, the weather got better, my car suddenly has 200hp more than before and my girlfriend likes my sexual performance again!!!"
^^^ Unfortunately, this what you see more often in forums..
Would be nice to see. The 9XXX cards beat Nvidia a beating back then for quite awhile. I still have a 9700 Pro churning away in my brothers PC, complete with 80mm fan rigged to it as the stock fan failed years ago. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
Most problems related with computers ly between the chair and the screen ;)
Nvidia drivers are, according with my experience, better than ATI's, but I don't really care about that, I just want to play some games...
LOL I like your quote didn't think anyone paid any attention to my rantings. :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Luka_Aveiro
:ROTF: Sadly you are correct :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by ToTTenTranz
luke averiro u mean the keyboard right or the mouse?
:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by soundood
Have you used any recent Nvidia driver? I'm also guessing that you don't ever post at Guru3d either. Nvidia drivers have been garbage for a few months now and I remember when they implemented physix there drivers were terrible for months as well.
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Originally Posted by ToTTenTranz
sigged
you sigged that?Quote:
Originally Posted by i found nemo
why?
I don't think I've ever had Nvidia drivers that don't randomly crash once in awhile. They're mostly stable, but it's still very annoying when it happens, especially L4D multiplayer which seems to love crashing the display driver.
Counter-sigged :DQuote:
Originally Posted by soundood
i liked the sarcasm and the humor in general.Quote:
Originally Posted by soundood
Counter-sigged? Now that's rich.
Thank you, I'm honored :)Quote:
Originally Posted by i found nemo
I somehow think you wouldn't understand...Quote:
Originally Posted by soundood
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Originally Posted by roadie
The ~181mm2 die is estimated to have ~1.1-1.2b trannies.Quote:
Originally Posted by roadie
A 256mm2 die, you are correct, we are looking at ~1.6-1.7b trannies.
Like trini said, those are just loose estimates based on previous architectures. Depending on the tweaks and density, these numbers could be quite a bit off.
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Originally Posted by LordEC911
Please don't use the term "tranny" for transistors.. please..
I don't want to think of transvesties every time we talk about transistors..
Not that there's something wrong with it, though.
:rofl: its not his problem that you always have something perverted on your mind. :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by ToTTenTranz
Evergreen is probably a 40nm HD4890 with DX11 right?
My post could have been interpreted as sarcastic or as "pleasantly surprised" :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartidiot89
Sigged :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by ToTTenTranz
Wow Sig Fest! Wonder if this will get sigged to.
put that in your sig and smoke itQuote:
Originally Posted by orangekiwii
Lets be fair and objective.
First of all AMD has brought out some excellent products in the last year from cpu's to video cards. Can't fault them at all.
Second, if they didn't promote themselves and I was the CEO I'd fire the marketing manager and PR people.
You can't sell what people don't know exists and thats the simplest way to say it.
true that, but telling the world that dog poo will cure cancer doesn't do the company any favors either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
i'm looking forward to what ati will bring to the table with this generation, but i will reserve judgment until we see nvidia's latest monster.
That is an incorrect approach. You do not wait to compare an 2010 Mustang with the 2012 Camaro, you compare it with the 2008 Stang and the 2010 Camaro.Quote:
Originally Posted by 570091D
You may reserve your judgement, but the majority of people will compare it against the other parts ATI and Nvidia have out atm.
Perkam
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Originally Posted by perkam
true there is always something new coming next week,next month,next quarter, you can endup waiting forever
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Originally Posted by perkam
no, i'm going to compare first gen dx11 parts...Quote:
Originally Posted by bill_d
So what have you been comparing? ATI was 10.1 nvidia was not.Quote:
Originally Posted by 570091D
R600 vs G200b...Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleZero
:sofa:
Remember, you don't compare by performance or age but by size.
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Originally Posted by Movieman
But these interviews are so boring that I'm not sure they count as "positive promotion".
Like politics, maybe it's the interviewer's job to make sure the interviewed doesn't turn every answer into a marketing or self-promotion statement.
So it's either a very technical presentation (like the one we saw in the first post) or the interviewer must carefully ask for something very specific, so the answer won't turn into "we were the first to use GDDR5/40nm" or "we're happy with the innovation and performance of our products".
But still, the guy being interviewed could/should answer "GDDR5 allowed us to decrease the GPU bus and reduce PCB complexity while retaining the overal bandwidth" instead of "We pioneered with GDDR5 and we were the first company ever to use it, so we also innovate. And did I tell you GDDR5 was first used by us and it's great?.
This the overall problem: PR and Marketing guys are boring and repetitive.. Most of the time it's a well-shaved and happy face in a good-looking suit saying the same thing over and over -> which means they don't really know what they're talking about.
I wouldn't want that for my company..
Problem probably lies in the PR and marketing people's lack of knowledge when it comes to the technical stuff. Sure, they are probably quite well educated in the features and such but not why they were implemented and what this meant for the product. Like with GDDR5 and the smaller bus and thereby smaller die size. Or the yield problems at TSMC at 40nm and what that does to 4770 being non existent in stores (probably not something they want to say anyway).Quote:
Originally Posted by ToTTenTranz
now this is rich, coming from ToTTen Tranz - sexual? :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by ToTTenTranz
Well this is wrong..Quote:
Originally Posted by marten_larsson
If it's a bikini girl smiling while holding a graphics card (booth babe), maybe it makes some sense.
But if you let someone actually talk about the product, you better make sure he knows what he's saying.
Heh, I don't follow this analogy. Is GT300 supposed to be the 2012 Camaro? Unless the two companies release parts on the exact same day every generation of course one is gonna be first and get compared to "old" stuff. But that's not going to be relevant for most of the generation or the sales period.Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
True....very true :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
Joking aside ATi and nVidia have the same driver issue at the moment with Windows 7 RC (or the issue COULD be Windows 7 RC itself?) the issue I am on about is.... ASPECT RATIO SCALING.
Works perfectly in Vista and XP, but is flakey in Windows 7 for both nVidia and ATi users.
Back on topic, nVidia will have the performance crown for DirectX11, however ATi MIGHT be first out the door with DirectX11 products, as I sense nVidia will follow in November, yet ATi will lead the way in Late September.
(Anyone who thinks nVidia will not have the fastest single GPU solution only has to read about DirectX compute and other computational functions of DirectX11....and then realise that the current crop of nVidia hardware already does this.....and VERY well)
John
if the public believes that dog poo will cure cancer, then why not make some money off of it?Quote:
Originally Posted by 570091D
Uh, that's just rumours... Nvidia will be late for sure, unless they are secretly planning the release, which I doubt. ATI even demonstrated their cards already.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnZS
And you have no idea about ATI chip performance and Nvidia chip performance, how can you compare them... Best not make such assumptions or people will put your words in your signature now and back into your mouth after the release if you are wrong. :p: