Jetway HA07-Ultra (790GX)

[doompc]

It's cool when the manufacturers hear us. I'v just reviewed the HA07 Ultra, wich is a really good board, but it was lacking something. So I sugested Jetway to include CPU-NB Voltage and Multiplier settings.

They have just send me a beta BIOS with CPU-NB Voltage setting, wich helped me to get my X3 8750 to 3.2GHz (12x266):



The only problem with this beta is that the ACC is not working (no boot when enabled), hence the high vcore.

Now waiting for the CPU-NB Multiplier

[charged3800z24]

It's cool when the manufacturers hear us. I'v just reviewed the HA07 Ultra, wich is a really good board, but it was lacking something. So I sugested Jetway to include CPU-NB Voltage and Multiplier settings.

They have just send me a beta BIOS with CPU-NB Voltage setting, wich helped me to get my X3 8750 to 3.2GHz (12x266):

The only problem with this beta is that the ACC is not working (no boot when enabled), hence the high vcore.

Now waiting for the CPU-NB Multiplier

I wish Giga-byte would do that...nice OC too

[justapost]

It's cool when the manufacturers hear us. I'v just reviewed the HA07 Ultra, wich is a really good board, but it was lacking something. So I sugested Jetway to include CPU-NB Voltage and Multiplier settings.

They have just send me a beta BIOS with CPU-NB Voltage setting, wich helped me to get my X3 8750 to 3.2GHz (12x266):

Best looking 790GX board i think, plan to grab it for a future build. What memory options does it have?

The only problem with this beta is that the ACC is not working (no boot when enabled), hence the high vcore.

Are you sure it's not just a warm boot issue. I must do a cold boot sometimes after changing ACC values on various 790GX boards.
Did you select 1.45V or 1.475V in the bios? Board temps look similar to GBT790GX was always a tad below cpu temp there with a small fan.

[hstuehmeyer2000]

Best looking 790GX board i think, plan to grab it for a future build. What memory options does it have?

I would say this one would be the best looking,

[doompc]

justapost, I'm pretty sure it's a bios bug. It costed me lots of clear CMOS to find out it was the broken ACC. I did some cold reboots too.

I selected 1,40v vcore, the board overvolts a lot: 1,41v idle 1,50v full

My previous best on this board was 12x250 1:2


My RAM won't do 1066 so I had to lower it down to 667 for 266MHz base htt clock: (+100mv on CPU-NB to work at 2400MHz)


There are reasonable timing settings and vdimm up to 2,85v (undervolts 0,1v):

[justapost]

I would say this one would be the best looking,

Oh did not know that.
JetWay 790GX Extreme.
http://www.jwele.com/motherboard_detail.php?147

justapost, I'm pretty sure it's a bios bug. It costed me lots of clear CMOS to find out it was the broken ACC. I did some cold reboots too.

Hope they fix that, GBT did that with the first bios revision.

I selected 1,40v vcore, the board overvolts a lot: 1,41v idle 1,50v full

Can be only the sensor reading is off. On the AsRock I saw a similar high overvolt under load. Measured with a DMM it was only half as high.
But on that board also the idle reading was reported higher.
Max difference between idle and load i measured was ~0.03V. That was close to the voltage regulators chip's limit for overvolts. This chip's spec said the chip powers off safe once that limit is reached. Was an STL6740L.

Your board uses an Fintec Sensor chip. AsRock an Winbond and GBT used an IT87xx. On the gbt board the sensor chip readings where really close to dmm measurements.

My previous best on this board was 12x250 1:2


My RAM won't do 1066 so I had to lower it down to 667 for 266MHz base htt clock: (+100mv on CPU-NB to work at 2400MHz)


There are reasonable timing settings and vdimm up to 2,85v (undervolts 0,1v):

Thank you for the details, good amount of settings there.

Ran everest mem bench for comparison (testing cpu's limits on aircooling with 330W psu there atm).

[Gener_AL (UK)]

I really hope that this board is available in UK ,I have been looking all over for this particular AMD GX board with no success.

[doompc]

justapost, J&W != Jetway.

I had no problems with ACC on older BIOS (initial and A02), it's just with this beta.
With ACC AUTO this X3 gos to 3GHz with stock vcore (1,20v) plus 10% (secound "gear" on the 7 shift) = 1,36v full.
Without ACC I had to set 1,325v wich gives about 1,39v full.

I'll look for a vcore measure point to see if it really overvolts that high.

[justapost]

justapost, J&W != Jetway.

I realized that as i followed the link but had written the first part of my post already and forgott to edit. So my bad.

I had no problems with ACC on older BIOS (initial and A02), it's just with this beta.
With ACC AUTO this X3 gos to 3GHz with stock vcore (1,20v) plus 10% (secound "gear" on the 7 shift) = 1,36v full.
Without ACC I had to set 1,325v wich gives about 1,39v full.

The 8750's clock nice for their price. Did i get this right you can select the CPU-VID and give an multiplicator for the vcore. GBT always used stock VID and and voltage offset. AsRock uses vid's up to 1.55V and then starts to add 0.1V voltage offsets. In the bios you can select that as vcore up to 1.8625V.

I'll look for a vcore measure point to see if it really overvolts that high.

Great, thank you

[Nedjo]

truly nice looking layout!
I wish Jetway is selling here where I live

[doompc]

justapost:



You can select the VID (from 0,8v to 1,55v in 0,025v steps) and a multiplier (the 7 shift, wich works just like the DFI's CPU Special Add): +5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30 and 35%. The maximum selectable vcore is 2,09v (1,55v + 35%), but then there is the overvolt...

The cool thing is that if you don't touch the VID, you can overclock keeping Cool 'n Quiet enabled. But Cool 'n Quiet sucks on Phenom, it refuses to return to normal clock with just one core on full load. Cinebench scales over 3x on the triple core because the 1CPU runs with one core at 1.5GHz and the xCPU runs with three cores at 3GHz...
So I have to disable CnQ for maximum performance.

But it works like a charm for power consumption. idle power with CnQ is 110w, idle power without CnQ is over 150w (total system, both on IGP only).

[Particle]

It might scale if your load would let it. The Windows thread scheduler bounces a thread between all cores in a system very rapidly. Try idling and just setting affinity to one core under load.

[doompc]

Particle, I'll try it later. It will probably work, but then I have to set affinity to all cores for the xCPU run.
This looks more like a OS issue. Nor XP or Vista know how to get the maximum out of current multicore processors.

When a process is jumping from core to core a Core 2 Quad, there is no problem if it jumps from core 1 to core 2, but when it jumps to core 3, the L2 cache of the secound DIE (cores 3 e 4) doesn't have data for that process, wich leads to performance loss.

Things will get a lot worse mixing physical cores and logical cores on Nehalem. Imagine if the OS schedules two heavy processes for the two logical cores of the same physical core...

[justapost]

justapost:
You can select the VID (from 0,8v to 1,55v in 0,025v steps) and a multiplier (the 7 shift, wich works just like the DFI's CPU Special Add): +5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30 and 35%. The maximum selectable vcore is 2,09v (1,55v + 35%), but then there is the overvolt...

Thank you for the details. The multiplier way should produce an bigger overvolt than the offset way.

The cool thing is that if you don't touch the VID, you can overclock keeping Cool 'n Quiet enabled. But Cool 'n Quiet sucks on Phenom, it refuses to return to normal clock with just one core on full load. Cinebench scales over 3x on the triple core because the 1CPU runs with one core at 1.5GHz and the xCPU runs with three cores at 3GHz...

Can be you have C1E enabled in the bios. That caused such behaviour here under linux. One core always jumped from c1e to p-state-0 and not p-state-1. So all cores ran at maximum voltage.

So I have to disable CnQ for maximum performance.

But it works like a charm for power consumption. idle power with CnQ is 110w, idle power without CnQ is over 150w (total system, both on IGP only).

If you want better power consumption, use CnQ with tweaked p-states.
KTE summed it up here.

[doompc]

Thank you justapost, I'll try that later.
The new BIOS brings the C1E option, but I haven't tried it yet.

I'm happy that AMD is a decent option now. This Jetway costs only $ 110 and a good X3 costs little over $100.
Where a good P45 board is about $150 and a good Core 2 Duo (like the E8400 E0) is almost $200.

And overclocking K10 is way more fun than doing pointless high FSB on Intels.

[Eternalightwith]

HOw is the Jetway treating you still?
ANy updates?

[nanohead]

Newegg just got them back in stock, and I just ordered one to replace the aweful Gigabyte... (I hate that board)

[doompc]

Eternalightwith, still no CPU-NB Multiplier.
I hope the next BIOS (with Phenom II support) will have it.

[spursindonesia]

I'm bookmarking this thread, interesting board indeed.

[nanohead]

OK.... Got mine yesterday. and wouldn't you know it, its dead..

Will not boot, or even POST. Just gets FF in the port 80 display and hangs. No video. Tried multiple types of memory and processors... tried clearing CMOS, tried standing on my head with one toe facing mars.

DOA, oh well. Just my luck

As far as impressions go, it is a REALLY nice piece. Super clean design, terrific heatsinks and really clean layout. I'm gonna RMA it and try again

The packaging is very austere, which is nice, although the box is a little cheesy, with "Hummer Studio" all over it. There is an awesome clear piece of the board in one corner that has a little horse on it that lights up!

Also, it has the best selection of ports I've ever seen. It has 8 (eight) SATA ports (6 regular and 2 eSATA). 3 Video (HDMI, DVI, VGA). Tons of USB, on board CMOS clear, start and reset switches. A really nice product, just hope I can get a good one.

[demonkevy666]

OK.... Got mine yesterday. and wouldn't you know it, its dead..

Will not boot, or even POST. Just gets FF in the port 80 display and hangs. No video. Tried multiple types of memory and processors... tried clearing CMOS, tried standing on my head with one toe facing mars.

DOA, oh well. Just my luck

As far as impressions go, it is a REALLY nice piece. Super clean design, terrific heatsinks and really clean layout. I'm gonna RMA it and try again

The packaging is very austere, which is nice, although the box is a little cheesy, with "Hummer Studio" all over it. There is an awesome clear piece of the board in one corner that has a little horse on it that lights up!

Also, it has the best selection of ports I've ever seen. It has 8 (eight) SATA ports (6 regular and 2 eSATA). 3 Video (HDMI, DVI, VGA). Tons of USB, on board CMOS clear, start and reset switches. A really nice product, just hope I can get a good one.

DOA no way.
well anyways FF on the led screen on board the HA06 similar board I got has that and that shows up when it gets in to XP.

what Power supply are you using ? and also have tried boot it with just cpu and memory in it the IGP usually defaults to D-sub after clear cmos.

[spursindonesia]

Yeah, such life with Jetway, or more precisely, tier 2 AMD board makers, it's always a hit or miss thing. I do hope it will be successfull, i don't want another Soyo or Epox in the making -though the economy is certainly not that promising.

[zif33rs]

tried standing on my head with one toe facing mars.

WHAT?? this didn't work?


Anyway..sorry to hear that...hope you have better luck.

[nanohead]

DOA no way.
well anyways FF on the led screen on board the HA06 similar board I got has that and that shows up when it gets in to XP.

what Power supply are you using ? and also have tried boot it with just cpu and memory in it the IGP usually defaults to D-sub after clear cmos.

Yeah, thanks... FF is the correct runtime port 80 code, it is supposed to show up when the BIOS hands over control to the bootloader.... I hope to get it when I get it to boot.

I may try swapping some other components to see what happens, did some CPUs and memory, no power supplies yet, but will do that this afternoon. I may try another video card and try and bypass the IGP...

Yeah, such life with Jetway, or more precisely, tier 2 AMD board makers, it's always a hit or miss thing. I do hope it will be successfull, i don't want another Soyo or Epox in the making -though the economy is certainly not that promising.

I agree, although I had some GREAT Epox boards that were indestructible!!! The board itself looks as high quality as any Gigabyte I've ever owned. Looks awesome actually. Just may have gotten a dud, which has happened with every board manufacturer I've ever tried

WHAT?? this didn't work?


Anyway..sorry to hear that...hope you have better luck.

Not yet, but I might try connecting my brain to a vacuum cleaner while standing in a cauldron of boiling oil to see if that helps!!!

[nanohead]

Got it WORKING!!! hooah

It didn't like the CPUs I was using.... Have no idea why, but I don't care ATM....

Tried a A64 4100 and it popped to life!!!

Now, on to testing