Hornet,only a blind man can't see what MrMojoz posted about.If you are one of those ,that's fine.Like i said i won't comment on this issue any more.Feel free to think whatever you like,it's a free world.
On topic: more pics from the Phenom II event from Jeff Tom here.
Thanks man, let the fanboys say whatever they want, why bother with nobodys, anyway back on topic...... I like AMD, if Phenom II is like the previews suggest, then i will be building an AMD rig just for the fun of it, prices should be more for our liking as well, even tho pricing right now for intel is good, the motherboards are out of hand. Having a choice for a performance PC is always good, go AMD
Nice to see AMD coming back BUTBUTBUT... Its still going to be a tough sell.
The way I see the market from Q1 2009:
Server: Intel win across the board
High-end desktop: Intel win
Value desktop: AMD win
High-end mobile: Intel win
Value mobile: Intel win
Still not a very good position by all accounts. IMO they should churn out some mobile parts ASAP.
A mobile X3 deneb with an undervolted RV730/RV770 would be a sweet sweet platform.
Fortunately for AMD, there are more segments than just "value" and "high end". What about enthusiasts that want the best bang for the buck?
What about students that need all the horsepower they can for audio/video tasks, without wanting to pay the jackpot?
To me it seems the highest performing Deneb will come very close in performance to the highest performing Nehalem.
Add to this Deneb's superior performance per watt, and the fact that MBs that support Deneb will be much cheaper than MBs that support nehalem. (especially the AMD boards that still use the old southbridge)
About time though, for a long time it made no sense to buy AMD for whatever purpose besides wanting to go cheap. (server market excluded)
Glad we're past that phase.
People shouldn't underestimate mobile market since it's growing insanely fast.That's why AMD preps the Deneb core based low power models for notebooks.Netbooks should get a single core variant of Deneb too,only cache stripped and running at low volts.
Well, maybe someone will think that Im stupid (maybe most of you), but how you comed to thinking that Phenom II wont be comparable to i7?
i7 has integrated memory bus, guess what.. Phenom II has integrated memory bus too. Both will use DDR3 (when AMD release AM3 platform). Phenom II doesnt have any memory clock/voltage limitations. Only thing it lacks really is Hyper-Threading and triple channel. But as much as I know, there is not big difference between dual/triple channel if you have integrated memory bus in CPU. i7 is just re-designed Core 2, nothing more. I think that if Phenom II will be able to do 4GHz at air, it can actually beat i7 (just imagine Phenom II under watercooling - 4,5GHz + some 2+GHz rams). Even with my poor Athlon X2 on 3GHz and Cellshocks at 1000MHz CL4.. I have over 9k bandwith.. if I imagine having some Phenom II on 4GHz.. heh bandwith over 15k? Maybe.. cause I can clock Cellshocks higher, just FSB cant take it).
If these OC reports are true, I believe that Phenom II will be much more than just comparable to i7. (at least much more friendly to OCers.. dont liek that idea of dead CPU if my memory voltage is too high).
Guys, if you concidere yourself a Blue team member , please let's the green team guys have their fun, it is nice to see them reviving a little, give them some space.
Instead, get back to work, and break the 7Ghz on Core i7
Let s squeeze the best of both platform.
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Let's start with breaking 6G before we rush to 7G . No dirty tricks allowed.
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Whats the point of that, singelcores are dead, even for notebooks (beside for UMPCs, but even there dualcores take over)?
They need a chip that is dirt cheap and consumes next to nothing, and perform a bit better then atom -> zing amd would own the whole sub 400€ market.
Just look at the success of atom. Even if you strip down phenom 2 off everything it wont come close the the power consumption of atom.
Amd already had massmarket SoC way befor intel (remeber cyrix? ), but they dumped it... if they would have forced the development based on MediaGX core they would have a very competentive product against Atom.
As for a competition against the centrieno platform, that depends how much impact the cache strip has on phenom phenoms performance.
One hundred years from now It won't matter
What kind of car I drove What kind of house I lived in
How much money I had in the bank Nor what my cloths looked like.... But The world may be a little better Because, I was important In the life of a child.
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DrWho, The last of the time lords, setting up the Clock.
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Some comments on Core i7 + LN2 testing:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...8&postcount=22
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=270
Very gracious of you, people need to be a less sensitive about hardware; we all want the best, regardless of platform. Only a fool wouldn't. Hint, hint, somebody needs to apologize to you. I'm on Intel, happily churning along with my Q9550 at 4.2Ghz, but I'm about as excited as anyone in here, just itching to lay my filthy hands on a phenom II. January can't come fast enough.
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DrWho, The last of the time lords, setting up the Clock.
You are missing some things here, it's not just about HT, etc. The problem is that AMD didn't optimize the execution units on Phenom / Phenom II as good as Intel did on Core 2 / i7.
The execution units of the Intel CPU's are much more flexibel and therefore depending on the application can excecute more instructions compared to AMD at the same time. In my on fractal assembler code I see that even Core 2 is about 30 to 40 percent faster at the same clock speed than a Phenom, when it comes to FPU or SSE2 performance.
If you wanna know more detail, take a weekend off ;-) and fight your way through the Agner Fog's nice guides:
http://www.agner.org/optimize/microarchitecture.pdf
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