nVidia G71

[perry_78]

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=24661

After the company from Satan Clara learned that R520 is going to use dual slot copper cooling in X850XT Press Edition-style, it gave the green light to the engineers that are trying to make the board to break every speed record set by Nvidia's G70 and ATU's R520 - OC gurus such as Macci and Oppainter excluded, of course.

News eagerly stolen from HERE

[perkam]

Dang, so they're already preparing the response. Guess they wont wait around this time for ATI to come up with a faster card since it wont have its SLI advantage anymore.

I just hope the card doesnt over heat...but i really doubt the G71 will be clocked 800 on the core. 550 maybe, but definitely not more than that on air.

EDIT: Honestly though, its so easy to fall into the hype. I could care less which one is faster, as long as the R520 can be manufactured in numbers. I'm just waiting for the crossfire mobos to appear from Mt. Fuji where they've been meditating for ATI's health or something lol.

Perkam

[krille]

7800GTXT PE maybe?

No, really. We haven't seen any performance numbers from R520 yet, nor this "new" "faster" G71, so I suppose we should wait some more. Myself, I'll go with whatever gives me the best performance, fan boyism is too expensive imo.

Does anyone know of anything about this:
http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=2445&s=1

[Cooper]

7800GTXT PE maybe?
Does anyone know of anything about this:
http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=2445&s=1

This was an article about R520 cooling system I suppose, like one on INQ.

[krille]

The good thing about the ATI cards having dual slot cooling, must be that the space between the two 16x PCI-E lanes must be huge on the XFire mobos. Else, two wouldn't fit.

err... this was quite an off-topic experience.

[DZVlad]

Well, having the 7800 GTX nonSLI pretty much compete at stock frequencies with the R520 core WILL make nVidia think about the future of their chips. The point here is that ATI and nVidia can not "synch" their announce times, so it will be 3 months of ATI leading and the other 3 months nVidia. However, in case of X850XT PE and 7800GTX competition, x850 does have some chance, it IS NOT competely hopeless. So being an uber-kick-ass card as nVidia wanted it to be is not the perspective of 7800GTX. No, seriously a nextgen card winning just around 20-30% over the previous gen card is not much, is it?

the space between the two 16x PCI-E lanes must be huge on the XFire mobos

it is a good sign it will be easier mounting water and more extreme cooling systems onto R520 "SLI" setups

[perry_78]

Well, having the 7800 GTX nonSLI pretty much compete at stock frequencies with the R520 core WILL make nVidia think about the future of their chips. The point here is that ATI and nVidia can not "synch" their announce times, so it will be 3 months of ATI leading and the other 3 months nVidia. However, in case of X850XT PE and 7800GTX competition, x850 does have some chance, it IS NOT competely hopeless. So being an uber-kick-ass card as nVidia wanted it to be is not the perspective of 7800GTX. No, seriously a nextgen card winning just around 20-30% over the previous gen card is not much, is it?

it is a good sign it will be easier mounting water and more extreme cooling systems onto R520 "SLI" setups

I say x850xt pe hopeless against 7800gtx 20-30% was quite the norm untill the 6800/x800 cards came out.

[DZVlad]

Well, as you said, it WAS the norm It is no more the norm. But I guess it will return to that 20-30% state AFTER R520 and G71 are released, there is no possible way ATI and nVidia will make a some revolutionary chips after the realease of G70 and R520 cores.

Well, yeah, my thoughts about X850XTPE vs. G70 were bad. But X850 isn't as hopeless vs G70 as 6800-series That is to add to my "nextgen-thisgen" talk.

[perry_78]

Well, its only hopeless because we enjoy top of the line performance too much,

Practically speaking a x850xt pe will still do brilliantly in games.

[DZVlad]

Well, its only hopeless because we enjoy top of the line performance too much,

Practically speaking a x850xt pe will still do brilliantly in games.

single cards can compete a bit, if not overclocked
and I was not talking about G70 SLi in the first place, if you didn't notice.

And, btw, enjoying top-of-the-line performance doesn't make you own the gfx card that show that performs top-of-the-line Unfortunately...

[eddieate]

so no 32-pipe 7800? its just a speed/mem bump, thats a bit disappointing, still
800mhz core is impressive although what ram is gunna run at 1.6Ghz+? even samsung
are gunna have a hard time with that aren't they? i'm still waiting for the R580 to come
out so i can afford 1 7800gtx
Ed

[Cooper]

eddieate. Samsung already produces 1.2 ns GDDR3 in volume - that`s 1.66GHz DDR. And about month ago they announced 1 ns GDDR3, which I think will be in volume production by the end of the year. IMO 7800Ultra and R580 won`t show up pretty fast - 2005 Q4/2007 Q1 is perfect date for presentation.

[eddieate]

oh, ok thanks for the info Cooper i'm not very up to date on the memory situation, i've been really
closely following monitors and PSU's atm as thats what i need to spend out on i kinda slipped on CPU's
and memory, not that i was ever too hot on GDDR3 anyway
Ed

[LardArse]

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I just hope the card doesnt over heat...but i really doubt the G71 will be clocked 800 on the core. 550 maybe, but definitely not more than that on air.
Perkam

Hmmm I wouldn't be so sure about that!

[krille]

DZVlad wtf are you talking about?

X850XT PE _IS_ hopeless vs 7800GTX. SM3.0, H-264 etc. No matter how many FPS you get, you will never be able to OC up those with X850 XT PE, and as you would have put it "2.0 was the norm, 3.0 is the norm" or "mpeg-2 was the norm, H-264 is the norm" etc.



Moreover, if you compare to 6800 Ultra at non-CPU limited settings, you do get a significant x2-x2.5 performance bump. If that's not enough for you for one generation, by all means, go buy some X850XTPEs and party on. Don't blame me when you realize your mistake.

X850XT PE had better performance than 6800U in most cases, that's very true, but you can't really compare it since it lacks vital features. Edit: And a good 42.48% performance bump vs X850XT is nice too for "half a generation" (the bump would've been bigger vs X800XT methinks).

[DZVlad]

Uhm, imagine the transistor count of a 32 pipeline GPU?! Seriously, even though the GPU market is newer than CPU, It has been developing equally fast or even faster. Soon nVidia will run into the same problem Intel did - inefficient architecture!

Intel has a "backup score" (a la 3DMark ), but we have yet to witness nVidia actions...

[DZVlad]

DZVlad wtf are you talking about?

X850XT PE _IS_ hopeless vs 7800GTX. SM3.0, H-264 etc. No matter how many FPS you get, you will never be able to OC up those with X850 XT PE, and as you would have put it "2.0 was the norm, 3.0 is the norm" or "mpeg-2 was the norm, H-264 is the norm" etc.

Moreover, if you compare to 6800 Ultra at non-CPU limited settings, you do get a significant x2-x2.5 performance bump. If that's not enough for you for one generation, by all means, go buy some X850XTPEs and party on. Don't blame me when you realize your mistake.

X850XT PE had better performance than 6800U in most cases, that's very true, but you can't really compare it since it lacks vital features. Edit: And a good 42.48% performance bump vs X850XTPE is nice too for "half a generation" (the bump would've been bigger vs X800XTPE methinks).

Hello?? I have already realised my mistake, if you haven't noticed read this post.

And have you seen the store shelves full of Shader 3.0 compliant games?

Edit: tell me what's the common resolution people play at? And then tell me the common MAX resolution people can SET on their monitor. And after that look at the resolution that BF2 bench was taken at. Having done all of that, talk about standarts It will be great to listen to.

[krille]

Uhm, imagine the transistor count of a 32 pipeline GPU?! Seriously, even though the GPU market is newer than CPU, It has been developing equally fast or even faster. Soon nVidia will run into the same problem Intel did - inefficient architecture!

Intel has a "backup score" (a la 3DMark ), but we have yet to witness nVidia actions...

Yeah. I guess nVidia has had the money to have an inefficient, high-transistor count architecture, while ATI don't really have the same funds. Don't know if this has affected the situation though...

The G70 was supposed to be a completely new core, now we've seen it was not. But, hopefully next gen maybe?

[krille]

Hello?? I have already realised my mistake, if you haven't noticed read this post.

And have you seen the store shelves full of Shader 3.0 compliant games?

Well... I did read the post, but obviously I didn't appreciate it right. Tell me, exactly what mistake did you realize in that post? It might just be me, but I didn't understand. I never meant to jump on you or anything, sorry.

About SM3.0 games, a few games support it. It isn't a must (since today they support alternative shader models), but if we take Chaos Theory as an example, you can choose between a) playing with SM3.0 - excellent graphics or b) SM1.0 - this you don't want, trust me. Moreover, some special features, like true HDR lighting, will probably only be seen in SM3.0 (Valve has confessed their 2.0b implementation is not optimal).

Perhaps I should add, if you want to play future games (such as U3 games etc.) you will want SM3.0, either get 7800GTX now or be prepared to upgrade again soon.

[DZVlad]

No, m8 I didn't feel like you were running me over or some sort of thing like that...

I said my thoughts were wrong, and that means that my thought were WRONG. As in: I screwed in that post. So let's just forget that and assume I never said it ) cheers

And the SM3.0 is.. nextgen and R520 is going to support that. nVidia has the advantage of lots of game publishers, companies specialising in 3D CAD/CAMing and a huge army of driver-programmers.

ATI does not have all that and still keeps up the pace! That's probably what I wanted to say in the first place, but I did that in a very exagerated way.

[krille]

So let's just forget that and assume I never said it

Hey, hey! What post now? I don't follow?

[Flak Monkey]

Yeah. I guess nVidia has had the money to have an inefficient, high-transistor count architecture, while ATI don't really have the same funds. Don't know if this has affected the situation though...

The G70 was supposed to be a completely new core, now we've seen it was not. But, hopefully next gen maybe?

I wouldnt call the G70/NV40 architecture inefficient when you compare it to r420. Nvidia's 400mhz 6800ultra put up a good fight against the much higher clocked x850 and was therefore a much more efficient architecture.

[Playful_Buffalo]

I just hope the card doesnt over heat...but i really doubt the G71 will be clocked 800 on the core. 550 maybe, but definitely not more than that on air.

hahaha i dont think they would be that off on the clock speeds...they say 800..the lowest i could imagine would be about 730~

[Vapor]

I've got a feeling something was lost in translation and the memory speed is 800.

[[XC] leviathan18]

i think nvidia is like amd lower clocks better perfomance nvidia is still ath 110nm we have to see their transition to 90nm how good it is....