New OCZ BH-5 and VX , what to expect

[Reefa_Madness]

If I hunt down some old non-working PC-180 on eBay will you guys trade them in on a set of PC3200 Gold with the new BH-5????

(doesn't hurt to try does it? )

[ryanpgroovy]

hmmmmmmm

[bachus_anonym]

If I hunt down some old non-working PC-180 on eBay will you guys trade them in on a set of PC3200 Gold with the new BH-5????

(doesn't hurt to try does it? )

ehh....??? what a day I'm now seriously embarassed...

dude, come on...

[andyOCZ]

Same here. Just about to order the 4000VX and now have to think about ot

I say there is nothing to think about, unless you want 2-2-2 at 2.85v. The 4000VX will run higher speeds than 3200 Gold.

Easy decision I think.

[ryanpgroovy]

[iddqd]

3200 Gold is the newest product. It will take a week or two to get into the channels. This should be a hot item, so look soon.

Any chance that you guys will do some really high binning? So... rather than screening for those that, say do 250MHz (VX4000), you bin, say 1 out of 40 for highest possible speed in that batch of 40 chips.

How can you call OCZ too expensive when for $150 you can get 1GB of Value VX which people are getting around 240 2-2-2-5 with
http://www.atacom.com/program/print_...C2&USER_ID=www

Hmm? Competition sells value VX for $110/1Gb
True dat, True dat.
Of course, some people could argue that it's Mushkin pc3500 level II that is the best BH-5, but I'd say otherwise. the Mushkin PCB is nice, but it doesn't have EMI shielding like the OCZ PCB. Hmm.. then again I remember that Kingston made some really good BH-5 as well... so you could say that it was a 3-way tie between those 3.

[krille]

is there any way (other than e-bay) to get BH-5 today (for sure)?

btw, did i get things right, the VX4000 > 3200 Gold BH?

[Reefa_Madness]

ehh....??? what a day I'm now seriously embarassed...

dude, come on...

Would that be embarassed by not being able to recognize humor when you see it (smiley face and all)?

dude, come on...

Like to you really think that if I was serious about doing that I would first post my intentions...?

[krille]

Would that be embarassed by not being able to recognize humor when you see it (smiley face and all)?

dude, come on...

Like to you really think that if I was serious about doing that I would first post my intentions...?

we know you were - BUSTED.

[Reefa_Madness]

we know you were - BUSTED.

OK, OK, you got me.

My "punishment"...30 days of hard labor at OCZ's test facility to be spent hand testing new BH based PC3200 Gold sticks...and they say crime doesn't pay, hah! And yes...I always wear those baggie pants with deep pockets all over them.


Just for the record guys...this is also another attempt at humor.

[Der_KHAN]

If I hunt down some old non-working PC-180 on eBay will you guys trade them in on a set of PC3200 Gold with the new BH-5????

(doesn't hurt to try does it? )

thats what i'd do if i hadnt already bought some vx4000

[Grov]

Are OCZ gonna get more rams available in UK?

I only know of one place selling OCZ VX and i know a lot of UK sites. Shame for such nice memory.

[Ashe]

Hmm? Competition sells value VX for $110/1Gb

link plz

[enzoR]

twinmoss, mushkin...

[ryanpgroovy]

We should have a fair amount of VX memory avaible in the UK , so I will check with the sales dept on this .

as far as releasing a really high bin , We basicaly thought VX 4000 was as high as we could go , the problem being we have to do something with the chips that dont do the spec ( we cant put them into 3200VX as that would cause an uproar) , so they need to go to one of the non VX value products ) and if less that a certain quantity ( say 15%) pass the spec we have a whole lot of pretty good memory we have to sell at less that our cost to test and manufacture it ( hand testing is quite expensive in the US )

[iddqd]

But notice how G.Skill has a wide array of different bins for the same product? pc4000: LA, LB pc4400: LC, LD, LE, LF pc4800: LA, LB, ?FF?. That's 8 different bins for TCCD.

I'm pretty sure they don't actually bin chips the usual way either (that is screening once). Well, they obviously do screen for different frequencies (hence, 4000, 4400 and 4800), but how do they determine from there which chips go on which stick? Screening again, for a high frequency they know only a small % of chips can pass... and then lower. So you got two bins and a leftover, all of which qualify for pc4800. There you go, you got LA, LB and the mysterious FF.

I suppose that many different grades is a bit redundant, but BH-5 could be binned in the following fashion:

Performance pc2700 2-2-2-X 2.8v-2.85v
Value pc3200 BH-5 2-X-2-X 2.85v
Gold pc3200 BH-5 2-2-2-X 2.75v
Platinum pc4000 BH-5 2-2-2-X 3.2v (pc3200 2-2-2-X 2.75v) [250MHz]
Platinum pc4400 BH-5 2-2-2-X 3.6v ("""""""""""""""""""""""""""""") [275MHz]
Platinum pc4560 BH-5 2-2-2-X 4.0v ("""""""""""""""""""""""""""""") [285MHz]

That's 6, but Performance pc2700 could be either CH-5 or BH-5 (I don't suppose it makes a difference), and Gold pc3200 BH-5 can be scrapped, and the chips that only do 3200 all go to the Value sticks. So you could cut the number down to 4. Moreover, you don't have to introduce all of those right away . Start with pc3200 and pc4000, and then launch pc4400 when you're ready, and so on.

Another question - would Brainpower808 PCB work with these IC's, or only Samsung TCCD? Are the PCB IC-specific?

[ryanpgroovy]

275 is just not possible at this point
in addition is we do the grading the way you ask , then there would be no chance that any gold vx 3200 for example would ever do 250 , as we would have pulled the best of those out

[cadaveca]

LoL. you guys should be sourcing people like me for your testing. There's time for everything, if it's something you love. LoL. People like me would do testing for free product....LoL.

[bito]

ADATA used the 808 BrainPower pcb well over two years ago.....had them on my BH-5 512mb sticks way back then......
'twas good ram, but alas, i didn't realise how good until it was sold.
Oh well.....now got an OCZ 3500 Platinum LE 1gb D/Channel kit.

Did you guys start using the 808 BP pcb when you tied up with them for overflow production??

http://www.ocztechnology.com/aboutocz/press/2003/36

[ryanpgroovy]

We actually had them start using it for our overflow , then they liked it also ( no doubt why )

We are BTW working on a new wonder PCB ;-)

[mcnbns]

I, for one, really appreciate what OCZ is doing here.

They're trying to give us enough bins that we can actually get a good deal on some low-rated good overclocking memory, and we can pay more to get a bit of an overclocking guarantee with higher-rated stuff (VX 3200 & VX 4000).

The line has to be drawn somewhere, and OCZ has drawn it about as close as one can get to where it should be. They need to make money and I think we forget that sometimes.

EDIT: any dates for this "wonder PCB"?

[iddqd]

275 is just not possible at this point
in addition is we do the grading the way you ask , then there would be no chance that any gold vx 3200 for example would ever do 250 , as we would have pulled the best of those out

There isn't a chance that pc4400GBLC will ever be as good as pc4400GBLE, but it's not like you see anybody complaining. After all, there's the pc4400GBLE...

Well, you know exactly what you're getting. It's not a gamble, like for example the mobile 2400 barton situation... where you could get one that overclocks to 2.4Ghz, or one that does better than a 3200 barton... or whatever the highest rated mobile variant was. Sure, it's possible to have a wonder one that does 2.9Ghz, but what are the chances?... I suppose the 175nm process (I thought BH-5 was 150nm btw, what's up with that?) is mature enough to have something similar, if you bin them based on a ratio [For example: best chip out of 40 is binned for 275MHz (hypothetically speaking) you ignore the other 3 chips which are just as good, so they go to the lower bin even though they can make the 275 one]. As to why 275 is impossible, I wouldn't understand... I mean there were sticks that could hit 275 (HELL, even BH-6!!), they just weren't binned enough, so it was once again a gamble. But, if you created a more precise binning procedure (like G.Skill) you could group all the best chips together, and put them on one stick. And second best. And third best. And so on... so people will pay more, but they will pay more to know exactly how good their stick is. Or pay less to know exactly how mediocre it is... either way, you know what you get .

Of course, you could just have one line, say pc3500 BH-5, and have the better/worse ones distinguished by letter codes, like G.Skill (did I ever mention I don't like that naming scheme?). Yeah, I don't like that naming scheme. Well, I got no problems with it personally, but people get confused. First of all, which is better, the one that's higher in alphabet, or lower in alphabet? And how exactly is each letter grade better /worse than the next? I think that numbers can express that sort of information much better.

[SLaY3r07]

We are BTW working on a new wonder PCB ;-)

[chinkgai]

yes that would be best....for us overclockers

how profitable would that be? thats another story

the way you are imagining it is just too labor intensive to be very profitable...they are based in sunnyvale CA, not india or china where labor is dirt cheap...we have minimum wage laws here (currently 6.75USD) and im SURE ocz isnt paying their employees that. while ocz is big, they arent huge like amd or intel.

also, by impossible...he probably knows the yields better than you and i

it must be a pretty low percentage for them to not go with it...or else which manufacturer wouldnt want to have the performance crown and do as you say? its just not how a business is run...you have to talk about profit margins and economies of scale and different market sectors and all that other fun stuff

we are a niche market, not the only market which ocz caters to

[ryanpgroovy]

:-)