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[SKYMTL]

I'm not going to give numbers, but I'll say that it's all over for the TITAN until LN2 is used, at which point the roles are reversed. LN2 is kinda wasted on the card.

Please stop posting baseless rumors. It's because of posts like this that people's hopes are stretched too far and then they end up complaining that performance doesn't live up to some imaginary figures.

[[XC] Oj101]

Please stop posting baseless rumors. It's because of posts like this that people's hopes are stretched too far and then they end up complaining that performance doesn't live up to some imaginary figures.

You call it baseless based on what? It comes within a few percentage points of the TITAN while costing significantly less, it outright beats the 780 (not just in price/performance but overall performance as well), I know what it can or can't do on LN2. I'm sure you know all of this too.

[GoldenTiger]

Volume of sales, potential market share...

It is really funny to see all the comparisons to Titan. Titan is mostly targeted at collectors and CUDA developers, not gamers, hence the price.
Titan is not out there to compete with anything, and it is not designed to be priced competitively.

You should be looking at GTX 780 instead.

This. Heck, many 780 models come clocked out-of-the-box 10% above a Titan performance-wise, and they're usually very close on air at least oc-to-oc. The 780 is what this R9 290X should be compared to, and you can get a 780 for $600-650 + free batman arkham origins pretty readily. You can get an eVGA one with 15% off + the free game on their site now until the 10th with codes they emailed out... making it $561 + arkham, for a superclocked acx-cooler model + $5-10 shipping.

[boxleitnerb]

You call it baseless based on what? It comes within a few percentage points of the TITAN while costing significantly less, it outright beats the 780 (not just in price/performance but overall performance as well), I know what it can or can't do on LN2. I'm sure you know all of this too.

So it isn't faster than the Titan, "just" overclocks better? Those 1400 MHz are air or LN2?

[i found nemo]

Ha ha, I wouldn't buy a Saphire card even if they were the only ones to make an R9 290x. Every Sapphire card I have had has been the worst overclocker.... And now somebody claims that every Sapphire card they have ever had was the best overclocker in the world.
Well, my experience is Sapphire NO!

no two chips clock the same. i have a 4850 that clocks to 750 and is rock solid stable. it is on a generic pcb, and from what i gather most 4850's, even with voltage adjustment availible cannot reach such speed. in other cases they can reach this speed, even surpass it. if you get a poor clocker, chances are that you are throttling on the gpu or pwm's, or even dare i say, a badly put together vBios. but one of the biggest impacts on getting a bad clocking chip.... is that it is actually a bad clocking chip.

tl;dr all chips clock differently. ymmv.

[GoldenTiger]

tl;dr all chips clock differently. ymmv.

I had a 670 on 680 pcb w/ windforce 3 cooler (air) that would clock with just the 1.2125v BIOS to 1392mhz core/7180mem for 24/7 stable use, used it at 1372 just to back off a bit (1372--->1392 was causing a huge temperature increase) for many months before selling it. Indeed chips clock differently . It was whisper-silent too with how low I was able to keep the fan.

[[XC] Oj101]

So it isn't faster than the Titan, "just" overclocks better? Those 1400 MHz are air or LN2?

When I talk about performance I'm talking stock performance. In some cases it pulls ahead of the TITAN nicely, in others the TITAN pulls ahead. I averaged it out and the TITAN is slightly faster, but not by much. I said TITAN was history before averaging the scores, and thought that a good trumping pulled the 290X further ahead than it really did. 1400 MHz is what the card does on LN2.

[boxleitnerb]

When I talk about performance I'm talking stock performance. In some cases it pulls ahead of the TITAN nicely, in others the TITAN pulls ahead. I averaged it out and the TITAN is slightly faster, but not by much. I said TITAN was history before averaging the scores, and thought that a good trumping pulled the 290X further ahead than it really did. 1400 MHz is what the card does on LN2.

Good to know, thx. The 1400 on air would have been wicked, I really would have been surprised if that were true. I guess on air it will do around 1.2 GHz, just like the Titan (with a mod bios of course). But it might scale better since it has more bandwidth.

[GoldenTiger]

How is it on air for clocking, for the curious crowd chomping at the bit to know?

[Zipelgas]

would you say its time to take the 780 (1250/7200) out of my system ? :P

[[XC] Oj101]

Nope

[GoldenTiger]

Thanks for the insight, .

[tajoh111]

When I talk about performance I'm talking stock performance. In some cases it pulls ahead of the TITAN nicely, in others the TITAN pulls ahead. I averaged it out and the TITAN is slightly faster, but not by much. I said TITAN was history before averaging the scores, and thought that a good trumping pulled the 290X further ahead than it really did. 1400 MHz is what the card does on LN2.

How far does it overclock on air. I can't imagine the performance we have seen being done at 800mhz and looking at the 4 billion triangles, I am guessing a 1000-1050mhz working clock. If that is the case and it only overclocks to 1400 on ln2(a 7970 easily gets to 1600 and occassionally in the 1700mhz range), I am expecting maybe 1100-1150mhz reliable on air.

If that's the case, I can imagine gtx 780's that have better cooling to match a 290x with both at max clocks. Particularly the evga Classifieds which can be found for about 600 dollars now using evgas current promotion. This card regularly overclocks to 1300 and I have seen some go up to 1400.

If Nvidia doesn't counter this with an up-clocked gtx 780, it seems super lazy of them.

[DefStar]

Why would amd price it at $599 if it pants the titan? This is a business after all

Because Titan was a total rip-off for one. But anyhow, Nvidia also created the $750 price segment which is also a rip-off...but, AMD can now slide in at just under the over-priced $750 price point and not look bad. Thank you Nvidia! Thank you, thank you for the price hike. As we all remember video cards have not cost this much for a single gpu card since Nvidia and ATI got caught price fixing. I remember the 8800 gtx Ultra or something for $800.

[DefStar]

Nobody ever thought the R9 290x would spank Titan or the 780 (really the same thing), we all expected it to match Nvidia's performance but at a fraction of the cost. Isn't the GPU die for AMD a-lot smaller in comparison to Nvidia's?

And (this is why Nvidia's cards cost more), AMD doesn't spend 3 billion a year (I don't know what Nvidia spends but they act like it is a-lot) on Physx or Cuda so we don't have to pay a premium for those oh so awesome features.

I think that AMD getting all the console contracts was a big hit to Nvidia and Nvidia's gaming involvement. That is a-lot of money...a-lot of money for innovating and marketing new products to consumers.

[tajoh111]

Because Titan was a total rip-off for one. But anyhow, Nvidia also created the $750 price segment which is also a rip-off...but, AMD can now slide in at just under the over-priced $750 price point and not look bad. Thank you Nvidia! Thank you, thank you for the price hike. As we all remember video cards have not cost this much for a single gpu card since Nvidia and ATI got caught price fixing. I remember the 8800 gtx Ultra or something for $800.

You have to thank AMD partially for this too. AMD made the 7970 $550 initially and made the gtx 680 look like a value king at the time and made it easy to price gk104 at 500. The current pricing of the gtx 780 is a response to AMD looking like they are a generation behind.

Personally I think 650 dollars is a fair price as long as the silicon is big enough to justify it. Not 1 grand however.

[BababooeyHTJ]

You have to thank AMD partially for this too. AMD made the 7970 $550 initially and made the gtx 680 look like a value king at the time and made it easy to price gk104 at 500. The current pricing of the gtx 780 is a response to AMD looking like they are a generation behind.

Personally I think 650 dollars is a fair price as long as the silicon is big enough to justify it. Not 1 grand however.

I agree with you here.

[[XC] Oj101]

In Firestrike the 290X is in line with a 780 OC.

[zalbard]

But anyhow, Nvidia also created the $750 price segment which is also a rip-off...

This is false. MSRP of GTX 780 is $650, not $750.

Nobody ever thought the R9 290x would spank Titan or the 780 (really the same thing), we all expected it to match Nvidia's performance but at a fraction of the cost.

This is also false.

Isn't the GPU die for AMD a-lot smaller in comparison to Nvidia's?

Die size is a bit smaller, memory interface is wider.

And (this is why Nvidia's cards cost more), AMD doesn't spend 3 billion a year (I don't know what Nvidia spends but they act like it is a-lot) on Physx or Cuda so we don't have to pay a premium for those oh so awesome features.

And this is also false...

So many opinions given as facts...

[prava]

If that price is correct, there will be an epic price gap between the R9 280X and R9 290.

Like there is between GTX770 and GTX780?

[DefStar]

This is false. MSRP of GTX 780 is $650, not $750.


This is also false.


Die size is a bit smaller, memory interface is wider.


And this is also false...

So many opinions given as facts...

I'm just going to call you an idiot, for quoting a question I asked and turning it into a statement. Also, I was correct that the die size is smaller. Furthermore, I clearly said I don't know how much Nvidia spends. You sir, have not a clue and that is why you consistently posted "FAlSE" with no retort or information to back it up. I'm going to call you pathetic to...since i'm thinking it. Obviously you got some built up aggression in you. Nice to meet you. And, I'm correct in every way and you know it. Wow, yes the memory interface is wider 512 > 384.... you win. Oh, and please tell me why are Nvidia's cards more expensive when any one cards performance is matched by AMD at a lesser cost?...since it's not cuda or Physx according to you?....

Sorry, forgot the EVGA card I got with the water block on it is $750...So, everything I said except @ $650 so everything else I said is still relevant and the price is now right Bob. Wow, you are a picky little thing. False, False, False...what are you a robot?

[i found nemo]

defstar if you could just now respond to my post.


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inb4 personal attack #2.

[DefStar]

I think it is fair also, and I'm going to pay it...twice ...happily.

[DefStar]

where is your post? Give me a link or something if you want me to "respond" to your post. Isn't everything personal when you are "quoting" someone??? Or did you just quote the statement and not the person? Hmmmmm....lets think on this.

Ok, I found it..... So why, after having 3 Sapphire cards that consistently clock horribly...would I buy another. Obviously they are getting low binned chips or their Q.C. is not so top notch. Now, every PowerColor I have bought was awesome. Why do you want me to respond to your post....do you want me to say, yes you are mostly correct with your theory...but ... if company A takes shortcuts with their Q.C. or say makes a deal to get low binned chips for cheap...then it really don't matter how good the card is on paper....it is unfortunately destined to .....be a bad clocker.
Or, maybe I got the only three cards that were bad clockers...still don't change the fact that once I bought another brand I started getting better performing cards...so I'm going with my theory because it is working out a-lot better...for me.
And yes, a-lot of people don't realize how hot the VRMs are getting. That's why I used an arctic Acellero on my 7950 and a Huge piece of copper I milled myself for the VRMs. That is why I moved over to water cooling now so that I can now water-cool my VGA's VRMs.

Personal Attack? who is the one having to defend everything they say? I think I'm the one being attacked here. And if you can't handle a little sarcasm in a post, then there is something stuck up your.

I'm upset with zalbard, i'm not trying to be hostile with you nemo.

[Iconyu]

I don't think Sapphire are getting a bargain on the chips, but the capacitors and other surface mounted components might not be up to what you're asking of it.