AMD "Piledriver" refresh of Zambezi - info, speculations, test, fans

**FlanK3r** · 09-18-2012, 07:10 AM

at 4.8 GHz, i think really not. AT 5 GHz maybe, but we dont know at 100% sure, if this score is from 5 GHz run (or maybe higher at 5100/5200 MHz).

**Mechanical Man** · 09-18-2012, 07:13 AM

Originally Posted by FlanK3r

at 4.8 GHz, i think really not. AT 5 GHz maybe, but we dont know at 100% sure, if this score is from 5 GHz run (or maybe higher at 5100/5200 MHz).

Its not comparable to anything, different version of CB.

Behind CPU-Z that ran on this system overclocked, a new version of Cinebench was present. It will be based on the engine of Cinema 4D R13 (current Cinebench is based on rather old version 11.5), the availability of software is not announced yet).

**FlanK3r** · 09-18-2012, 07:24 AM

you right....we are idiots :-D...First time, I thought, is it R11.5

**xBanzai89** · 09-18-2012, 07:47 AM

Originally Posted by informal

Is it realistic that "Piledriver" in FX8350 really scores so high at "just" 4.8Ghz? Even at 5Ghz the result looks out of place to me. If it's 4.82Ghz like in the screenshot and the score was really 9.06pts than FX8350 at 5.5Ghz would score : 9.06x5.5/4.82=10.33pts ... Kind of unreal. This implies : 10.3/9=1.14 or around 14% "IPC" difference in Cinebench MT test. I'm not saying it's impossible but even Trinity doesn't score so high and it has the real PD core inside (not this tweaked Orochi core). Very strange results

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Maybe AMD scored 9pts at 5.2+Ghz but it was unstable so they repeated the test at more stable 4.8Ghz when the screenshot was taken. Notice the progression of the scores which is in line with continuous CPU clock scaling (like they OC bit by bit and reached highest score of 9pts at some point which may be 4.8Ghz but is quite unlikely IMO).

What is the current consensus on what the 8350 is tweaked orochi cores or real PD cores like in Trinity? I'm confused now as to which it is going to be.

**informal** · 09-18-2012, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by Mechanical Man

Its not comparable to anything, different version of CB.

Thanks that's it! I missed it

**tbone8ty** · 09-18-2012, 03:17 PM

apparently Oct 18th is the launch date, don't quote me on that

or you can quote you know who

also rumor that power consumption is worse than FX-8150 haha lol wow if thats true...jsut wow

**G.Foyle** · 09-19-2012, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by xBanzai89

What is the current consensus on what the 8350 is tweaked orochi cores or real PD cores like in Trinity? I'm confused now as to which it is going to be.

You-know-who is full of sh1t as usual, FX-8350 will be Piledriver cores, NOT Orochi respin. FX-8350 has new features of Piledriver core (FMA3, half-precision convert CVT16), also idle power and clocking optimizations introduced in Trinity.

**Oese** · 09-19-2012, 09:19 AM

AMD is excellent in leaving everyone in the dark..

I only know the coolaler forum thread and you-know-who that messed with this topic. It can be even the very same CPU. Noone knows how old it is. C0 stepping is ready since at least 3/4 year. IDK why they should put it out so late.... We will see if mr-always-right will hold his ground

**informal** · 09-19-2012, 10:05 AM

Well what AMD showcased recently(5Ghz watercooled) has the same CPUz characteristics as what Cooleler/"blogger" had shown. So it's likely that OR-C0 is what AMD calls Piledriver for FX series. It will be interesting when 5800K launches in parallel and clock for clock tests are done between FX4350 and 5800K

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**demonkevy666** · 09-19-2012, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by informal

Well what AMD showcased recently(5Ghz watercooled) has the same CPUz characteristics as what Cooleler/"blogger" had shown. So it's likely that OR-C0 is what AMD calls Piledriver for FX series. It will be interesting when 5800K launches in parallel and clock for clock tests are done between FX4350 and 5800K

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trinity will be faster.

Steamroller brings no significant reduction in L2/L3 cache latencies. According to AMD, they’ve isolated the reason for the unusually high L3 latency in the Bulldozer architecture, however fixing it isn’t a top priority. Given that most consumers (read: notebooks) will only see L3-less processors (e.g. Llano, Trinity), and many server workloads are less sensitive to latency, AMD’s stance makes sense.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6201/a...architecture/2

possible reason it can't match Trinity?

**G.Foyle** · 09-19-2012, 10:50 AM

Found this on my CF card:

vishera_oc_cinebench.jpg

have fun

**FlanK3r** · 09-19-2012, 11:11 AM

nice....do u have (someone) Cinebench R13? I can test it with FX-8150...

**tbone8ty** · 09-19-2012, 03:46 PM

waiting on power consumption review between 8150 vs. 8350

haven't seen anything on it yet which leads me to believe its not good

I'm sure idle is fine but I bet full load is worse

**Opteron146** · 09-20-2012, 06:25 AM

Can somebody please explain me why there is now a "new" Cinebench R13, when Cinebench R14 just launched?
http://www.maxon.net/products/new-in.../overview.html

I hope that R13 bench was just internally and they will soon launch a R14 version.

**informal** · 09-20-2012, 07:32 AM

Cinebench is a benchmark and there is no "new" Cinebench for now. There is a beta that AMD used. There is a new engine Maxon produced though (which is not to be confused with the benchmark).

**Smartidiot89** · 09-20-2012, 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by informal

Cinebench is a benchmark and there is no "new" Cinebench for now. There is a beta that AMD used. There is a new engine Maxon produced though (which is not to be confused with the benchmark).

This is true, but their benchmark is based on their Cinema 4D software. So Cinebench R13 = running the R13 engine, and they usually come with tons of optimizations. Not that it matters, I suppose people will be happy to have a new Cinebench to play with

Here the subject is discussed, Bulldozer gets quite good compared to Phenom II X6 @ R13.
http://www.c4dcafe.com/ipb/topic/684...3/#entry502532

**Airwar** · 09-20-2012, 11:11 AM

Here is some new info on FX-8350 and A10-5800K from TechPowerUp

http://www.techpowerup.com/172376/AM...-Near-IDF.html

Here is the original source

http://www.hardware.fr/news/12617/id...o-vishera.html

**tbone8ty** · 09-20-2012, 11:49 AM

Congrats on your first post!

**informal** · 09-20-2012, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by Airwar

Here is some new info on FX-8350 and A10-5800K from TechPowerUp

http://www.techpowerup.com/172376/AM...-Near-IDF.html

Here is the original source

http://www.hardware.fr/news/12617/id...o-vishera.html

Posted on previous page already

. Congrats for the 1st post

**cezar** · 09-20-2012, 01:48 PM

First Vishera pre-order prices:

http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2012/2...iver_CPUs.html

**Maxforces** · 09-20-2012, 07:35 PM

always BLT

always prices wrong
web marketing positioning

prices will be lower

**sequoia464** · 09-20-2012, 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by Maxforces

always BLT

always prices wrong
web marketing positioning

prices will be lower

I hope so - those prices look high to me unless there have been some significant improvements

**Daveburt714** · 09-20-2012, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by Maxforces

always BLT

always prices wrong
web marketing positioning

prices will be lower

Yep... BLT always seems to list early, and their prices are usually high.

I'm jonesing for some new AMD gear, and if the 8350 is really going to launch ~$260 I'll just play with the 5800K Trinity until the prices come down...

They listed some A10's earlier http://www.shopblt.com/cgi-bin/s.cgi...25&s_all=HJBOX
Considering their pricing history, if I can pick up a 5800K for ~$130 I'm sure it could keep my attention for a few months.