AMD: 28nm GPU on-track for 2011

**halofanman** · 07-27-2011, 03:24 AM

During the latest financial conference call AMD Interim CEO, Thomas Seifert, revealed that AMD was well on schedule to release the first 28nm GPUs in 2011 - "We have working silicon in-house and remain on-track to deliver the first members of what we expect will be another industry-leading GPU family to market later this year. We expect to be at the forefront of the GPU industry's transition to 28nm".

Sources :
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/graphic...ics_Chips.html

In fact, AMD vows to be the first designer of graphics chips with 28nm-based offerings on the market, which means that the firm wants to again beat Nvidia with time-to-market with leading-edge fabrication process, just like it did with 90nm, 80nm, 65nm, 55nm and 40nm nodes.

**Chrono Detector** · 07-27-2011, 04:55 AM

Looking forward to ATI's 28nm GPU's, lets see how the high end GPU's perform.

**Pantsu** · 07-27-2011, 05:02 AM

"At the 28nm node, all of our products will be based on bulk process technology, providing increased flexibility to work across our two committed and valued partner."

Looks like they're going to start making some of the GPUs at GlobalFoundries. I wonder how the bulk process will effect the gpus. At least AMD thinks they'll be ready before Nvidia.

**PatRaceTin** · 07-27-2011, 05:13 AM

Amd hd 7000 ?

**GoldenTiger** · 07-27-2011, 05:36 AM

I can't wait to see how 28nm GPU's perform on the high-end, period,

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**xBanzai89** · 07-27-2011, 05:42 AM

The second a 7950/70 pops up on a online retailer I am snatching it up. I'm not letting those bitcoiners take these cards when they're meant for gaming

. Those miners will have these cards sold out for weeks.

**kaktus1907** · 07-27-2011, 05:49 AM

Originally Posted by GoldenTiger

I can't wait to see how 28nm GPU's perform on the high-end, period,

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I think although they have 2x performance budget at same power envelope they wont be able to use all of them.. Probably first 28nm gpus %50-70 faster than today's equivalents.. The remaining performance delta will be used with latter 28nm series 700 and 8000 series.. Since TSMC had problems with 28nm, undoubtly that effects 20nm as well.. They have to stick with same node few years cause of this

but i still desperately hope 2x performance moar jigawattss :P

**AAbenson** · 07-27-2011, 07:28 AM

seems that miners really prefer AMD over Nvidia at the moment,is the difference in performance really that big?
...Already see the Radeon 7xxx advertisements : "The way its meant to be mined!"

**xBanzai89** · 07-27-2011, 07:38 AM

Yes there is a huge gap. Even a 6850 is 2 times faster then a GTX 580 at mining.

**Stewie007** · 07-27-2011, 07:57 AM

Bitcoin mining? Something new?

**Pantsu** · 07-27-2011, 07:58 AM

But if AMD changes the architecture the next gen might not be as suitable for bitcoin mining.

**Sparky** · 07-27-2011, 07:59 AM

My next (hopeful) upgrade is Bulldozer with a high end 7000 card

We'll see how that goes however... Both from a performance standpoint, and from a budget standpoint. My wallet keeps reminding me of the second part.

**xBanzai89** · 07-27-2011, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by Pantsu

But if AMD changes the architecture the next gen might not be as suitable for bitcoin mining.

If that is the case expect to get top dollar for your 6900 cards depending on how much SP the 4 way arch mainstream cards have.

**Stewie007** · 07-27-2011, 08:11 AM

Originally Posted by Pantsu

But if AMD changes the architecture the next gen might not be as suitable for bitcoin mining.

Eh who cares, from what I've read bitcoins seem like they will soon be worthless. Free money that you have to pay thousands to be the best at acquiring is kind of an oxymoron.

I can't wait to get my 3 way (or maybe even 4 way if the next generation scaling gets better.... probably not) 7000 with my chiller doing the chilling! OR even 8000 by the time I get around to it.... hehehe

**EniGmA1987** · 07-27-2011, 08:12 AM

Odd that the graphics division has beaten the competition in process node tech every time, yet the processor division is always behind the times.

**[XC] gomeler** · 07-27-2011, 08:15 AM

Hope this is true. Getting tired of GTX 580s. Wonder when we'll see people unloading their 580s.

Originally Posted by xBanzai89

The second a 7950/70 pops up on a online retailer I am snatching it up. I'm not letting those bitcoiners take these cards when they're meant for gaming

. Those miners will have these cards sold out for weeks.

Meant for gaming? Tell AMD/NVIDIA to stop pushing GPGPU if you want GPUs to be solely used for gaming.

**BeepBeep2** · 07-27-2011, 08:15 AM

Originally Posted by xBanzai89

The second a 7950/70 pops up on a online retailer I am snatching it up. I'm not letting those bitcoiners take these cards when they're meant for gaming

. Those miners will have these cards sold out for weeks.

The difficulty in bitcoin mining is so hard now, a lot of people are quitting lol.
Besides, HD5xxx is best for bitcoin, only stupid people will buy 7xxx series and VLIW4 for bitcoin. VLIW5 brings better performance for this...

I use my 5770's for bitcoin while I'm on the desktop, turned off flash/video accel so it uses CPU for video, I get crashes when I close cmd windows while working so I disconnect from the internet to halt the miner and disable one of them so I can play games on one 5770. Both cards are at 1010 core, so one is pretty sufficient for gaming.

By the way, these cards arent really made for gaming, they are jacks of all trades.

**Manicdan** · 07-27-2011, 08:26 AM

bitcoin only works if your able to earn more than you pay in electricity
even if the architecture loses 30% of the output points or whatever they are, the power consumption might be 40% less making it earn more
then i wonder how long it takes before you pay off your gpu? i dont even look into it cause im betting its pretty bad math

**tbone8ty** · 07-27-2011, 08:54 AM

If the new 7000 series can make a card thats faster and quieter than my 6870 at the 6870 market prices right now (~$180) ill be all over it!

**BeepBeep2** · 07-27-2011, 09:07 AM

Originally Posted by Manicdan

bitcoin only works if your able to earn more than you pay in electricity
even if the architecture loses 30% of the output points or whatever they are, the power consumption might be 40% less making it earn more
then i wonder how long it takes before you pay off your gpu? i dont even look into it cause im betting its pretty bad math

I dunno, my power bill spiked $30 with bitcoin mining, but I've made $160 USD equiv with it in a month (despite exchange rate going down and difficulty now 3x higher) In a few months if it keeps growing its not worth it for me. It is hardly worth it now. I did get to buy some goodies for my camera, though.

**xBanzai89** · 07-27-2011, 09:24 AM

Originally Posted by [XC] gomeler

Meant for gaming? Tell AMD/NVIDIA to stop pushing GPGPU if you want GPUs to be solely used for gaming.

I was referring to the HD 7000 series are meant for gaming. Fire Pro is more for GPGPU right?

Originally Posted by BeepBeep2

The difficulty in bitcoin mining is so hard now, a lot of people are quitting lol.
Besides, HD5xxx is best for bitcoin, only stupid people will buy 7xxx series and VLIW4 for bitcoin. VLIW5 brings better performance for this...

I use my 5770's for bitcoin while I'm on the desktop, turned off flash/video accel so it uses CPU for video, I get crashes when I close cmd windows while working so I disconnect from the internet to halt the miner and disable one of them so I can play games on one 5770. Both cards are at 1010 core, so one is pretty sufficient for gaming.

By the way, these cards arent really made for gaming, they are jacks of all trades.

Bitcoin mining difficulty does go up so depending on how well the new 28nm from AMD does I would not be surprised a lot of them would want this. If the GPUs will do more crunching at the same power envelope they will be love them. Pretty sure this is a major reason there is no 6990s anywhere in stock at the moment.

Originally Posted by Manicdan

bitcoin only works if your able to earn more than you pay in electricity
even if the architecture loses 30% of the output points or whatever they are, the power consumption might be 40% less making it earn more
then i wonder how long it takes before you pay off your gpu? i dont even look into it cause im betting its pretty bad math

Yes I know. It is confirmed there is a new arch for the high end 7900? The rumors I heard put one there, but the 7800 would likely be on the 4 way arch. We know that performs good as well and there is a chance we could see a SP bump above the 6970 allowing for more crunching and less power usage.

**Stewie007** · 07-27-2011, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by BeepBeep2

I dunno, my power bill spiked $30 with bitcoin mining, but I've made $160 USD equiv with it in a month (despite exchange rate going down and difficulty now 3x higher) In a few months if it keeps growing its not worth it for me. It is hardly worth it now. I did get to buy some goodies for my camera, though.

$160 equivalent? So I take it you haven't exchanged it. Why not? Cost prohibitive?

**aintz** · 07-27-2011, 10:19 AM

about time the real next generation cards come out.

**Lanek** · 07-27-2011, 11:01 AM

low end to Global fundries ? high end to TSMC ? like that it will be easier for AMD and GF to build mobile gpu and then move them to APU ?

@ Bonzai .. yes it is confirmed for GCN in 7950 - 7970 ( if they keep this number scheme ), for sure it will not be in the low end, but middle range. depend what will be made the middle range.
HD6xxx series was a bit special, an half new arch.. difficult to apply it to next series.

**Hondacity** · 07-27-2011, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by [XC] gomeler

Hope this is true. Getting tired of GTX 580s. Wonder when we'll see people unloading their 580s.

Meant for gaming? Tell AMD/NVIDIA to stop pushing GPGPU if you want GPUs to be solely used for gaming.

i love the 580:P

till i get the proper sandy....i'll keep em til i do a good 3d01

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