EK Supreme HF easy mount -- extra washers?

[Utnorris]

I bought this block just b/c of the new mounting system. Had the swiftech Apogee XT. I did not like the mounting system on that. I think the springs are too stiff. Had issue where one of the hold down stripped out of the back plate. I even ordered a new back plate and after first mount the threads stripped out again when only half way tightened down. Installed the EK block with with new mounting system worked like a champ.

Also temps alot better. Dropped 1-3c idle temps on cores and 9-11c on load temps.

Wow! This new mount must be amazing as I have both the EK HF (Old style) and the XT (Rev. 2). Been playing with them for about two hours or so and I have not gotten that type of temperature difference. 9-11c under load is friggin great.


Now, in all seriousness, I haven't used the new system. I am waiting for EK to put out the 1366 back plate that replaces the Intel back plate like they did with the 1155 socket, now that is easy since the mount never moves, just drop your block on it and tighten. Seriously, I am surprised no one else put something like this out since it seems to be done on the AMD air side all day long.

[acebmxer]

I also changed the fans on my radiators at the same time. Fans maybe helped 2-3c and i would say the block did the rest.

[Utnorris]

I also changed the fans on my radiators at the same time. Fans maybe helped 2-3c and i would say the block did the rest.

Look, not trying to be a jerk here, but unless you are absolutely, without a doubt sure you kept everything the same, room temp, fans, the flow, whatever, please do not make such claims. I can see you saying that the temps were better, but when you claim a 9-11c difference, when every review out there shows a 5-8c difference between the best block on the market and the worst block on the market under load, I have to say BS. Sorry, just have too.

Just an example of a review and please note the best performer and worst performer temps. Just saying.

http://skinneelabs.com/koolance-cpu-360/4/

[chorner]

I can't say temps are better by 9-10 degrees based on the block alone in my case - but switching from Swifgarbage to EK helped not only my CPU temps by a couple degrees, but most importantly it helped out my temps for the entire loop since the flow wasn't so bloody restricted any more. Flow certainly does make a difference... not huge past having adequate flow, but the more you have in your loop the more of a gap it makes not only with pump noise but overall performance. After an extended gaming or even rendering session, my temps drop back down from peak to their idle much faster as well.

Just my 2 cents on that before you totally bash the guy :P

[acebmxer]

Believe me I am not trying to get off topic or have a debate on which block is better cooling wise. I was trolly shocked in temp drop. The only changes to the system was fans and block. Fans were a upgrade from these http://www.frozencpu.com/products/61...IzqN&mv_pc=219 to these http://www.frozencpu.com/products/61...IzqN&mv_pc=412 fans. I added 2 more to 1 rad for push pull.

I did mention the other block did strip out 2 back plates so only 3 hold downs were working. Mounting old block was a huge pain as it would move around easily while trying to seat.

I am not saying everyone else will get same results but this was my experience with the block and the mounting system.

[Utnorris]

Look, I am not saying the EK block is not sweet, there is a reason I have one. But over the years of having about 20 different CPU blocks, I can say without a doubt the difference in temp will be minor unless your flow was just being murdered by the XT. That being said, I don't doubt you got better temps, just the range you quoted was quite high. The main thing is that you are happy with it, which is all that matters when it comes down to it. I will say I did see a slight flow drop going to the XT, even though it's a rev2, over the EK HF. Not enough to be concerned with, but still enough if you were sitting on the edge it would be enough not to go with the XT. The thing that kills me about most blocks, including the EK, is the back plate. Only Koolance and Swiftech make room for theirs to sit around the Intel back plate instead of sitting on it. If you do not have a hole cut in the back of the MB tray it can cause unneeded pressure against the MB causing it to sit up and warp instead of being flat. This is why I was excited about EK producing a back plate that replaces the Intel back plate and screws directly into the retainer. I just wish they would put one out for the 1366 socket.

[xIronCrossx]

From what I read so far, you haven't tried the new mounting? Because it does not warp at all. My motherboard is basically perfect with the new mounting.

Also, his temps may have changed dramatically because he applied the thermal paste better the second time than the first and a combo of other possible things.

[tiborrr]

Youd think one of the most popular waterblock companies could come up with something a little better?
Have you looked at your competitors systems?
Between the mounting system and the enormous ugly branding on your blocks, thats why i wont be buying Ek this time around.

Better? The new mounting is 100% compatible with the existing backplates provided with the block. The new mounting does not bend or warp the board and the mounting pressure is always even throughout the whole contact area.

If you don't like the EK design that's fine. Everyone has a different taste Many people love the EK design but unfortunately you cannot satisfy everyone's taste at the same time.

P.S.: Have you even tried the new EasyMount system or you're just trolling?

[zeropluszero]

Better? The new mounting is 100% compatible with the existing backplates provided with the block. The new mounting does not bend or warp the board and the mounting pressure is always even throughout the whole contact area.

If you don't like the EK design that's fine. Everyone has a different taste Many people love the EK design but unfortunately you cannot satisfy everyone's taste at the same time.

P.S.: Have you even tried the new EasyMount system or you're just trolling?

If I tried to buy a Supreme variant in Australia, I'm relatively sure I'd end up with an old stock with the rubbish older mount, so no I have not tried it, my post relating to the mounting refers to Vapors, who says that it still needs to be constructed like the old mount.
Swiftechs mount is second to none, and having used a koolance system that was extremely easy too.
I'm saying for a company that's trying a revamp, some things are being overlooked, your mounting system seems to be marginally better and the aesthetics of the blocks is getting worse.
I say this as constructive criticism, as I know yourself and eddy look here, you're a company that genuinely brings products to the table when people want them.

[guilleguillaume]

If I tried to buy a Supreme variant in Australia, I'm relatively sure I'd end up with an old stock with the rubbish older mount, so no I have not tried it, my post relating to the mounting refers to Vapors, who says that it still needs to be constructed like the old mount.
Swiftechs mount is second to none, and having used a koolance system that was extremely easy too.
I'm saying for a company that's trying a revamp, some things are being overlooked, your mounting system seems to be marginally better and the aesthetics of the blocks is getting worse.
I say this as constructive criticism, as I know yourself and eddy look here, you're a company that genuinely brings products to the table when people want them.

Well that's your opinion. Don't think so

I still think that EK waterblocks look better than a lot of other alternatives when talking about CPU & GPU blocks.

[Church]

guilleguillaume: i believe he was mostly referencing ease of mount, not looks.

Imho enhancing just few of deficiency areas is better then doing nothing. This time it was looks / even mount pressure/ easier repeated mounts, while keeping compatibility with backplates. Yes, swiftech's might be better for initial ease of mount, but what you suggest? Just re-implement it 1:1 and be shunned as copycats?
This thread has quickly deteriorated from question what extra washers were for to flaming EK for making mounting system just better, not best. Though imho most of flames are fueled by name of new mounting sys, when it's called "easy" while not being as easy as that of some competitors'. I'm guessing, that very probably EK would receive way less flames their way if it were called rev2.

[chorner]

Better? The new mounting is 100% compatible with the existing backplates provided with the block. The new mounting does not bend or warp the board and the mounting pressure is always even throughout the whole contact area.

If you don't like the EK design that's fine. Everyone has a different taste Many people love the EK design but unfortunately you cannot satisfy everyone's taste at the same time.

P.S.: Have you even tried the new EasyMount system or you're just trolling?

tiborrr any chance of using some flat heat screws for your next mounting system? Be a step up. The new one is definitely better than the old, but it would've been easy to see where you could've fine tuned the new one just by installing it in a system yourself...

[kipling100]

For what it's worth, I thought the mounting was relatively easy. The only things that tripped me up were the extra washers not being referenced in the manual, and also the manual wasn't clear what the correct orientation for the back plate should be (or maybe it doesn't matter). This is my first current-generation block (the last one I've used was the Apogee GTX), and overall I was impressed with the build quality and packaging.

[Russ_64]

So, if I am changing from an old LT to new HF, can I keep my existing backplate and fittings or do I have to use the new "easy-mount"?

[tiborrr]

@Russ: sure you can use your LT's old mounting mechanism + backplate. But bear in mind that you cannot use easy-mount on a LT block (yet).

[Russ_64]

@Russ: sure you can use your LT's old mounting mechanism + backplate. But bear in mind that you cannot use easy-mount on a LT block (yet).

Thanks for the info - new HF Full Copper block is in transit, just glad that I don't have to take the MB out to swap it over. I will use the new mount system next major rebuild.