DDC PWM input???

[Hannibal Lecter]

I was reading the DDC spec sheet at laing's website http://lainginc.itt.com/pdf/DDCSpecSheet_web.pdf and I saw this :

Electronics
Embedded microprocessor control is self regulating and available with variable speed with PWM input or dial control (potentiometer) on the pump.

Does this mean that the DDC can actually be regulated with PWM?

[zanzabar]

i think that it can, but 1) why would u want to do that its not noisy and u can get a 9W and mod a switch to go from 9 to 18W if u wanted control over rpm and 2) i dont know about with pwm controllers but with voltage controllers u can easily degrade them and then they quit starting at low voltage until they just nolonger start

[Hannibal Lecter]

Well "decoupled" DDC pumps are very quiet but some do make a sort of electrical high pitch whining which is very annoying. I am saying electrical but it might be something else .

Most automatic controller are analog only, which IMHO is a lot better for fans (no annoying clicking sound) however few can handle a DDC or D5. PWM controllers generate a lot less heat and can handle a lot more power.

And it could possibly be regulated by the motherboard without any controller. It just opens up more options.

[Waterlogged]

NEWS FLASH!

Yes the DDC is PWM capable. Gabe had one in a system @ CES and is thoroughly testing it before bringing them to market.

There has been a bit of confusion as of late about being able to mod the 3.1 as it now comes with a completely revised PCB that resembles the 3.25. I have a "old" 3.1, "new" 3.1, and 3.25 and I am in the process of trying to figure things out but so far the weather is not cooperating with me so I can do my "wet testing" (static head pressure) before ripping the pumps apart to check the circuitry.

[NaeKuh]

As i said in the previous thread...

Gabe was showing one off.

I think i told you guys all the info im allowed to tell ya, without spoiling it for gabe.

But it was a 4 wire ddc.

2 -> 12V
1 -> RPM
1 -> PWM

The RPM and PWM pins u connect onto the board to get PWM.

The 2 would go into your PSU, so you dont have any chance of frying your Mobo header out.
What was asked a lot is in regards to its life.

PWM kills, its not something that saves eq. And a pump is something thats best left on, with little on and off cycles as possible.
So, it makes sense for gabe to test out the PWM pumps b4 he introduces them on the market.

[Waterlogged]

As i said in the previous thread...

Gabe was showing one off.

I think i told you guys all the info im allowed to tell ya, without spoiling it for gabe.

But it was a 4 wire ddc.

2 -> 12V
1 -> RPM
1 -> PWM

The RPM and PWM pins u connect onto the board to get PWM.

The 2 would go into your PSU, so you dont have any chance of frying your Mobo header out.
What was asked a lot is in regards to its life.

PWM kills, its not something that saves eq. And a pump is something thats best left on, with little on and off cycles as possible.
So, it makes sense for gabe to test out the PWM pumps b4 he introduces them on the market.

Have you seen the new PCB's?. . .I think those PWM models may already in the wild, they just need to be modified. This "may" be one of the things I test out on mine.

[skinnee]

The PWM DDC PCB's are in the wild... Koolance DDC3.25's use the PWM PCB, they just chose to use the standard 2 power and 1 RPM leeds, but it can quickly be modded to run full blown PWM.

[NaeKuh]

The PWM DDC PCB's are in the wild... Koolance DDC3.25's use the PWM PCB, they just chose to use the standard 2 power and 1 RPM leeds, but it can quickly be modded to run full blown PWM.

is the wasntme comment face directed at me to try since i have 2 of those puppys?

[Hannibal Lecter]

If you look at the pdf file I linked in the OP it says : "effective August 2008" so I guess that all pcb from that date are PWM capable.

In terms of "killing" the pump, if it is designed to work with PWM, I would hope it won't be killed.

[NaeKuh]

In terms of "killing" the pump, if it is designed to work with PWM, I would hope it won't be killed.

they say the same things on pwm fans.. but they have the highest RMA rate over any fans..

[serialk11r]

If you throw a capacitor (inductor helps too) onto some regular PWM controller and hook it to your pump, the power will come out pretty smooth.

[DeathWalking]

If you throw a capacitor (inductor helps too) onto some regular PWM controller and hook it to your pump, the power will come out pretty smooth.

I thought an inductor and a capacitor did the same thing, in terms of storing charge, just that an inductor does the whole reverse current thing when it discharges?

[Waterlogged]

The PWM DDC PCB's are in the wild... Koolance DDC3.25's use the PWM PCB, they just chose to use the standard 2 power and 1 RPM leeds, but it can quickly be modded to run full blown PWM.

How solid is that information skinnee?. . .and just for confirmation, this is the PCB your referring to, correct?



If this is one of the PWM PCB's, I'll just skip the wet testing and see if I can figure out what makes my 3.1 variant different from my 3.25.

Edit: Scratch that bit about skipping wet testing, I still need to figure static head pressure.

[serialk11r]

I haven't studied magnetism in Physics C thoroughly yet, but no they're not the same. A capacitor stores energy by inducing charge separation when a voltage is applied, while inductors store energy by magnetic fields. An inductor "blocks" current because when current flows through it a magnetic field is induced that opposes the flow of current. This is just some guess, but I think the inductor helps to limit the current at the higher applied voltage while the capacitor charges.

[skinnee]

How solid is that information skinnee?. . .and just for confirmation, this is the PCB your referring to, correct?

If this is one of the PWM PCB's, I'll just skip the wet testing and see if I can figure out what makes my 3.1 variant different from my 3.25.

Edit: Scratch that bit about skipping wet testing, I still need to figure static head pressure.

yeah, same PCB I have. I don't have verification from Laing or Koolance, but going off of the traces and the PCB silkscreen.



edit: and yeah, I still need to run PQ on the 3.25 to see what/if there is a performance difference.

[Cyrus104]

It's been a couple of months on this and wanted to check and see if there was any progress / do able. I have two mcp355 that are dated built 12/09, can get newer if needed but would like to try and run them off a BigNG.

Thanks

[rioja]

what pwm ddc gives over the classic one?

[Cyrus104]

I'm looking at running a: mCubed FanController T-Balancer / mNG.
I already have the larger version for fans but if I could put two 18W DDCs on one of these then I would be set.
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...oducts_id=4501

The specs show that in PWM mode I should be able to run both DDCs off one of these controlled by the software on the large T-Balancer.
50W output per channel in the PWM mode, combines 100W
20W output per channel in the analog mode, combines 25W

Thanks

[Cyrus104]

Checking to see if anybody has an update. I've email Gabe at Swiftech but didn't get a response. Would be nice to know if it in the works and a guess at a timeline.

Thanks

[Cyrus104]

Checking to see if anybody has an update. I've email Gabe at Swiftech but didn't get a response. Would be nice to know if it in the works and a guess at a timeline.

Thanks

[gabe]

Checking to see if anybody has an update. I've email Gabe at Swiftech but didn't get a response. Would be nice to know if it in the works and a guess at a timeline.

Thanks

didn't get an email from you..

Still working on it. ITT (multi-billion $ Co) having acquired Laing a few months back, is making things horribly slow right now :-(