Dear Men!
I have a nice question!
According to news Phenom II 940 is compatible with AM3 and AM2+ also Phenom II 945 is compatible with AM3 and AM2+ then whats this picture?! :
Really Phenom II have both of DDR2 and DDR3 memory controllers?!
Source :
http://www.guru3d.com/news/more-deta...d-athlon-line/
Confused!!
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To me that reads that the 940 and 920 work on AM2+ only, while the 945 and 925 work on both AM2+ and AM3. The short life of the 920 and 940 would seem to agree with that.
940 and 920 indeed are only compatible with AM2+, AM3 CPU's are compatible with AM2(+)/AM3, meaning AM3 CPU's indeed do have both DDR2 and DDR3 IMC's. 940 and 920 dont have them (Dont know in what state though, maybe the DDR3 IMC is just disabled).
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Phenom II 940 and 920 are socket AM2+, work only in AM2+ motherboards and only with DDR2 memory. 945 and 925 are AM3, work in either AM2+ motherboards with DDR2 memory or AM3 motherboards with DDR3 memory. Yes, models ending with 5 have both DDR2 and DDR3 controller (or in fact one controller working in two modes).
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Correct. Models ending in 0 are AM2+ (DDR2 memory only; works in AM2+ [and those fake DDR2 AM3 boards *ugh*] only). Models ending in 5 are AM3 (DDR2/DDR3--either one; works in AM2+ and AM3).
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ok thanks a lot friends! but there is two standalone memory controller or just one with a simulator!?!
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How the heck does a AM3 CPU have a 95W TDP (30W lower than AM2+) given they have two memory controllers: one for DDR3 and one for DDR2?
dont know, but ill be watching the reviews between the 940 and 945 closely to see how each do.
There is only 1 memory controller that can run in either DDR3 mode or DDR2 mode. As for the lower wattage it's likely a new stepping imo.
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But wouldn't there need to be more transistor logic and increased die size for having DDR3 and DDR2 mode? I guess the DDR2 mode wouldn't be powered with DDR3...Originally Posted by BrowncoatGR
Not sure, dont think there has to be a lot of logic in it. I guess it just depends what circuit is actived according to the different DDR2 and DDR3 pins. If either of those is in the other one will be shut off completely, probably not even a BIOS or whatever is needed to get that working.
Im not an engineer/electricien, so dont quote me on that, but I guess it's rather simple
The lower TDP could be probably just from a different stepping, which is quite likely since AM2+ and AM3 CPU's simply ain't the same.
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i know the 945 is a c3 stepping im not sure about the 925 but i would guess it would be a c3 as well. that might explain why the power usage is lower on the 925 but i know the 945 has a tdp of 125W still.
here's what i think:
am2+ cpus
DDR2 and DDR3 controler
HyperTransport 3.0
am3 cpus
DDR2 and DDR3 controler
HyperTransport 3.1
but we'll see how it will unfold.
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Cause AM2 isn't much more than upgraded 939. I'm happy to see them moving on up.
945 April but 925 Jan along with the 920 seems odd having both out next month, I haven't seen many AM3 mobo previews yet. Curious how things are going to play out here.
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these cpus are the first to support ht 3.0 and the ddr3 controller is disabled on the am2+ package.
I wonder if it is really disabled in the package, or if the CPU configures itself when you install it into the socket and power it up
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It's disabled. If you want some light reading, go to the AMD website and find the developer PDF on Agena. Both DDR2 & DDR3 are discussed in that document as supported by the IMC. Phenom has had the capability to run both flavors from day 1......AMD has chosen not to enable the DDR3 portion until they, and the MB manufacturers were ready.I wonder if it is really disabled in the package, or if the CPU configures itself when you install it into the socket and power it up
i know its a fact it can't run it. its disabled by fuses on the cpu and according to amd it can't run it. wouldn't have a point to have them run it tho. it would make the am3 chip pointless plus people who have phenoms right now wouldn't have to buy a phenom II for ddr3.I wonder if it is really disabled in the package, or if the CPU configures itself when you install it into the socket and power it up
Wrong. People keeps saying that but all lists I've seen have shown a complete mix of 5's and 0's among the AM3 CPU's.
The list above shows 13 AM3 models, and only six of them ends with xx5.
Look again.
Last edited by Mats; 01-05-2009 at 10:52 PM.
I am not sure I should get Phenom II 940 or wait for Phenom II 945 ....
My M3A79-T DELUXE is pretty nice ( Bought it for less than 2 months ) and I don't have any plan to upgrade to AM3 Platform just yet ( I got plenty of DDR2 memory , as they are pretty cheap nowadays )
One thing I know about Phenom II 940 is it's Black Edition (Multipler Unlocked) , but I am not sure about Phenom II 945
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Thanks all but whats the summary and conclusion!
Nice post then really exist a combo controller but what about this quote :It's disabled. If you want some light reading, go to the AMD website and find the developer PDF on Agena. Both DDR2 & DDR3 are discussed in that document as supported by the IMC. Phenom has had the capability to run both flavors from day 1......AMD has chosen not to enable the DDR3 portion until they, and the MB manufacturers were ready.
maybe but we should wait to see what will happen!
Last edited by HamidFULL; 01-06-2009 at 12:29 AM.
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well the more tempting part is actually to wait till the 925 arrives, since its am2+ and am3 and in a new stepping. looking at already retail 920 oc's that easily go to 3.6-3.7 without voltage bump i think it might be intereseting to just wait a few weeks longer, perhaps even better results for a small amount of time to wait.
unless offcourse you want to go for extreme oc, have the same board btw, but for my 9850be it wasn't any better then my msi k9a plat
btw official statements amd 920+940 is am2/am2+ only, the 925/945 is am2/am2+/am3 and indeed with the lower am3 bins just having the same 0 in the end it is a bit confusing
Last edited by duploxxx; 01-06-2009 at 01:38 AM.
Makes it all that much easier, huh?Wrong. People keeps saying that but all lists I've seen have shown a complete mix of 5's and 0's among the AM3 CPU's.
The list above shows 13 AM3 models, and only six of them ends with xx5.
Look again.
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Well I prefer Unlocked Multiplier (Black Edition)
I wonder if AMD will get any AM3 Phenom II Black Edition Soon
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