PCPER.com: 5 GHZ+ Phenom II Overclock on Dry Ice, 6Ghz on LN2

[gallag]

Ok, Sorry, I am out of the thread, did not know it will bother people.

Ignore them man, Its the same people that did not mind Intel being mentioned in a AMD thread when AMD were on top, They just need to grow up a bit.

[Sly Fox]

This is not an AMD thread, that's the one in the AMD section.

This is a NEWS thread where people from all sides can offer their opinion and views. Stick to your guns here Francois

QFT.

Offering another side of a topic is great if you ask me. I hate forums where everyone is just part of the same group of posting-sheep.

Don't let people censor you imo. Unless it's a mod! Then you have to listen.

[GAR]

Will AMD have a non nvidia chip that supports SLI and Crossfire??? I doubt it, that could be the difference maker for many enthusiasts, i believe performance has to be strong and compete with core i7, a core i7 920 costs only $284 msrp, which it will go down to that price by the time AMD is out, overclocks to 3.8ghz with out a problem, most chips do, if amd releases the 3ghz part at $175 and overclocks to 4.4ghz on air and is on par with the core i7 at 3.8ghz i can see AMD having a real winner in their hands, BUT that depends on weather the performance gap is small and price is big, $100 under 920 and a overclocking monster, i see many people buying AMD instead, for the simple fact that motherboards cost alot less.

[STaRGaZeR]

This is not an AMD thread, that's the one in the AMD section.

That thread stinks even more than this one

[Marvin_The_Martian]

Will AMD have a non nvidia chip that supports SLI and Crossfire??? I doubt it, that could be the difference maker for many enthusiasts, i believe performance has to be strong and compete with core i7, a core i7 920 costs only $284 msrp, which it will go down to that price by the time AMD is out, overclocks to 3.8ghz with out a problem, most chips do, if amd releases the 3ghz part at $175 and overclocks to 4.4ghz on air and is on par with the core i7 at 3.8ghz i can see AMD having a real winner in their hands, BUT that depends on weather the performance gap is small and price is big, $100 under 920 and a overclocking monster, i see many people buying AMD instead, for the simple fact that motherboards cost alot less.

I heard there are $150 x58 coming which will not limit ocing, but will offcourse have less features. Don't ask me when or from who though, just a rumour I heard.

That thread stinks even more than this one

Well do as I did, unsub and ignore

[Cooper]

I think the discussion is over

[STEvil]

Calm down guys, throwing molatov pies at each other is not cool.

edit - beat to it, d'oh.

[IFMU]

Ok, I am going to re-open this thread, but keep in mind everyone, we need to keep this as an open minded discussion, not a bash someone due to their different opinions thread.

Keep it nice guys or the thread will be locked up for good.

[roofsniper]

woot amd ln2. i have a feeling it will be good this time around.

[Hornet331]

Will AMD have a non nvidia chip that supports SLI and Crossfire??? I doubt it, that could be the difference maker for many enthusiasts, i believe performance has to be strong and compete with core i7, a core i7 920 costs only $284 msrp, which it will go down to that price by the time AMD is out, overclocks to 3.8ghz with out a problem, most chips do, if amd releases the 3ghz part at $175 and overclocks to 4.4ghz on air and is on par with the core i7 at 3.8ghz i can see AMD having a real winner in their hands, BUT that depends on weather the performance gap is small and price is big, $100 under 920 and a overclocking monster, i see many people buying AMD instead, for the simple fact that motherboards cost alot less.

Indeed, but it also depends on what hardware the user has. A decent S775 board and you can just plug a Q9xxx in that thing. For P2 you need the proc and the board.

I would not be surpriced if intel is going to make a price drop on the Q chips in Q1.

But for everyone who is on a old s775 or S939 platform Q1 will be hell of a time.

[Extelleron]

Will AMD have a non nvidia chip that supports SLI and Crossfire??? I doubt it, that could be the difference maker for many enthusiasts, i believe performance has to be strong and compete with core i7, a core i7 920 costs only $284 msrp, which it will go down to that price by the time AMD is out, overclocks to 3.8ghz with out a problem, most chips do, if amd releases the 3ghz part at $175 and overclocks to 4.4ghz on air and is on par with the core i7 at 3.8ghz i can see AMD having a real winner in their hands, BUT that depends on weather the performance gap is small and price is big, $100 under 920 and a overclocking monster, i see many people buying AMD instead, for the simple fact that motherboards cost alot less.

AMD definitely is going to be in a better position come January than they are now, but I don't think they are going to go for such aggressive pricing as you mention. I'm expecting that the Phenom X4 940 will come in at around $300, maybe a bit more depending on how it performs and whether or not AMD gets greedy like they did at original Phenom launch (where parts were way overpriced and not competitive with Q6600 at all). If they are sensible they will target the 940 at the Q9550 and not any higher.

It doesn't matter how much the i7 920 costs, the platform costs are so much higher that the actual CPU cost is almost irrelevant. Even if the Phenom X4 940 comes in at $350, here's just an example of what total cost might be vs. i7:

Phenom X4 940: $350
790FX/SB750 Motherboard: $190
4GB DDR2 Memory: $30
Total Cost: $570

Core i7 920: $300
X58 Motherboard: $300
4GB DDR3 Memory: $150
Total Cost: $750

Deneb just has to compete well with Q9550, which will be a much harder task.... P45 vs. 790GX is a fair fight in both performance & price, no advantage there..... both use cheap DDR2 memory..... and Q9550 hits 4GHz pretty regularly on the P45 platform. Deciding that battle will require us to wait for reviews, because it is too close to call for now.

[informal]

Good post with great points Extelleron ,you nailed it on the head

[prostoman]

It doesn't matter how much the i7 920 costs, the platform costs are so much higher that the actual CPU cost is almost irrelevant. Even if the Phenom X4 940 comes in at $350, here's just an example of what total cost might be vs. i7:

Phenom X4 940: $350
790FX/SB750 Motherboard: $190
4GB DDR2 Memory: $30
Total Cost: $570

Core i7 920: $300
X58 Motherboard: $300
4GB DDR3 Memory: $150
Total Cost: $750

If that, we have to remember that many people already have DDR2. I completely agree here, AMD can be pretty expensive before it is unatractive build pricewise.

[Zucker2k]

Then why is he posting all this Intel crap in an AMD thread? After reading these posts I have zero respect for the guy, just like I would for someone posting AMD crap in an Intel thread. There is a place for his posts and it isn't in this thread.

Is there such a thread as an "AMD THREAD" or "INTEL THREAD"? I guess some people have formed demarcated XS into AMD/INTEL This is a PC forum, and this is the news section, doesn't even matter if it's the AMD section, a member has every right to post where they want if they have a valid contribution to make. People just need to be less sensitive, that's all.

[Metroid]

AMD definitely is going to be in a better position come January than they are now, but I don't think they are going to go for such aggressive pricing as you mention. I'm expecting that the Phenom X4 940 will come in at around $300, maybe a bit more depending on how it performs and whether or not AMD gets greedy like they did at original Phenom launch (where parts were way overpriced and not competitive with Q6600 at all). If they are sensible they will target the 940 at the Q9550 and not any higher.

It doesn't matter how much the i7 920 costs, the platform costs are so much higher that the actual CPU cost is almost irrelevant. Even if the Phenom X4 940 comes in at $350, here's just an example of what total cost might be vs. i7:

Phenom X4 940: $350
790FX/SB750 Motherboard: $190
4GB DDR2 Memory: $30
Total Cost: $570

Core i7 920: $300
X58 Motherboard: $300
4GB DDR3 Memory: $150
Total Cost: $750

Deneb just has to compete well with Q9550, which will be a much harder task.... P45 vs. 790GX is a fair fight in both performance & price, no advantage there..... both use cheap DDR2 memory..... and Q9550 hits 4GHz pretty regularly on the P45 platform. Deciding that battle will require us to wait for reviews, because it is too close to call for now.

Core i7 920: $289
MSI X58 Motherboard: $214
3GB DDR3 Memory: $96
Total Cost: $599



I do understand this is an AMD thread but people should leave their fanboy pride aside and see the reality around. Phenom II will be competitive like Phenom I is right now regarding price performance.

[N19h7m4r3]

Not everyone lives in the US and can get a mobo for 214 and ram for 96.

You can't get close to i7 mobos for €250 in most places and even then 150 maybe for cheap 3GB ram.

PH 2 will be attractive for alot of people simply for that fact that they can use existing mobos and their current DDR2.

[Jazzman]

Not to debate the issue but the AM2+ board will take future AM3 processors - it will just be limited to DDR2 RAM. So there is some upward portability.

[Zucker2k]

Core i7 920: $289
MSI X58 Motherboard: $214
3GB DDR3 Memory: $96
Total Cost: $599



I do understand this is an AMD thread but people should leave their fanboy pride aside and see the reality around. Phenom II will be competitive like Phenom I is right now regarding price performance.

Not everyone lives in the US and can get a mobo for 214 and ram for 96.

You can't get close to i7 mobos for €250 in most places and even then 150 maybe for cheap 3GB ram.

PH 2 will be attractive for alot of people simply for that fact that they can use existing mobos and their current DDR2.

Hmmmm... but it wouldn't look too good for AMD if it can't compete with Intel for new systems, as well as complete upgrades. So far, peeps are only talking about the drop-in advantage for phenom and that's bad for a company hungry for market share. Besides, not every AMD system owner is in the market for a new processor. In short, AMD must be competitive against an Intel that is going to cut prices after the holidays; a perfect time to do so. I'm feeling the tension already. January is going to be an exciting time in the PC market.

[Metroid]

Not everyone lives in the US and can get a mobo for 214 and ram for 96.

You can't get close to i7 mobos for €250 in most places and even then 150 maybe for cheap 3GB ram.

PH 2 will be attractive for alot of people simply for that fact that they can use existing mobos and their current DDR2.

I get my components cheaper than the US prices. I'm a good shopper.

[Calmatory]

I get my components cheaper than the US prices. I'm a good shopper.

Contacts? Or just careful price comparison? No rebates?

[N19h7m4r3]

Do tell, I find it almost impossible to find a place that sells a decent i7 Mobo for under 350 with postage included, AND ships to Ireland.

No one seems to like the Irish

[Calmatory]

Do tell, I find it almost impossible to find a place that sells a decent i7 Mobo for under 350 with postage included, AND ships to Ireland.

No one seems to like the Irish

I still bet it still is quite a bit cheaper than what it is here in Scandinavia.

[N19h7m4r3]

I've never looked at a site there before, but I wonder.
Ireland like to put vat on stuff you order from over seas, on top of vat you pay there.
Then import tax, handling fees and admin fees.

So if you can't really get something in Ireland or the UK, you're screwed.

[Extelleron]

Core i7 920: $289
MSI X58 Motherboard: $214
3GB DDR3 Memory: $96
Total Cost: $599



I do understand this is an AMD thread but people should leave their fanboy pride aside and see the reality around. Phenom II will be competitive like Phenom I is right now regarding price performance.

That MSI X58 board is interesting, I wonder how good of an OCer it is though. As for buying 3GB memory..... I don't know about you but I don't really consider that an option for a high-end Vista x64 system. I'd rather go for 4GB dual-channel, as tri-channel doesn't provide any real world benefit anyway. Also remember that most people buying an X4 940 will be happy with a 790GX motherboard, which brings the cost down another $50 or more.

I'm not saying AMD should charge $350 for an X4 940; I think a fair price will be $250-300 at most. Phenom II will be much more competitive than the current Phenoms if it is priced at that level. But I don't think that Core i7 and Phenom II are going to compete anytime soon; very few people looking for Core i7 performance and willing to pay for it are going to drop down to a Phenom II setup, and few people looking at Phenom II performance / more affordable setup are going to end up spending $200 more on a Core i7 setup.

Core 2 Quads are the enemy for now, and as I said they are a tough enemy. The platform is cheap and solid, cheap DDR2 is the memory of choice, and the overclocking is very good.

[gallag]

Do tell, I find it almost impossible to find a place that sells a decent i7 Mobo for under 350 with postage included, AND ships to Ireland.

No one seems to like the Irish

http://www.ebuyer.com/search?store=2&cat=14&subcat=2673 £223 Gigabyte GA-EX58-UD5 iX58 i7

£12 delivery.