View Poll Results: Do you consider your intel 45nm CPU (wolfdale E8x00) to be Degraded

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  • Yes, after supplying 1.300v - 1.349v to the vcore

    12 4.29%
  • Yes, after supplying 1.350v - 1.399v to the vcore

    14 5.00%
  • Yes, after supplying 1.400v - 1.449v to the vcore

    26 9.29%
  • Yes, after supplying 1.450v - 1.499v to the vcore

    23 8.21%
  • Yes, after supplying 1.500v - 1.599v to the vcore

    15 5.36%
  • Yes, after supplying 1.600v or more to the vcore

    26 9.29%
  • No, and I run my vcore at 1.300v - 1.349v 24/7

    49 17.50%
  • No, and I run my vcore at 1.350v - 1.399v 24/7

    49 17.50%
  • No, and I run my vcore at 1.400v - 1.449v 24/7

    33 11.79%
  • No, and I run my vcore at 1.450v or more 24/7

    33 11.79%
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Thread: E8400/8500 degradation myth possibly busted?

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    E8400/8500 degradation myth possibly busted?

    Wolfdale degradation myth possibly busted?

    Im sure a lot of you have had this happen, you clock your new e8X00 up and run the usual torture test
    until your find the max stable OC @ some vcore, and temps you are comfortable with. That's the
    Idea right. Right!!

    By now your prime stable for >8 hours, and your happy because your at 4ghz (or more) and you
    didn't even break the bank when you made that sweet CPU purchase. Still with me?

    Ok now at some point ( Next day/Next week) you'll run that torture test again and then OMG!!!
    WTF??? Prime95 FATAL ERROR!! But it used to be prime stable for hours and now it's failing in
    less than 5-10 minutes? Instantly that horrifying thought comes to mind "Degradation".

    Ok so that's the scenario for most. At least it was for me. Iv'e had this happen with two E8400's
    so far. The first one I upped the vcore passed 1.4 and after a couple of days when prime started failing
    I thought for sure this is the symptoms of the dreaded degradation problem. The second E8400 I decided
    I would never go past the 1.36 safe (or safer) limit (actually it's never been passed 1.33), and I
    would not see this problem again, Wrong!! I did, but this time I was determined to figure this out!


    And here is what I found:

    If my system is either off, or has been at Idle for a long period of time (i.e 18 - 24 hours) and I run prime
    (especially the 10k FFT's) It will fail in < 5 minutes sometimes < 1 min. If I then run prime again it will take
    prime a little longer to fail but maybe still < 5 mins. If I run It again it will take a lot longer to fail > 20 mins.
    And then I run it once more Bam!!! Smooth sailing no more failing, It's back to the stable state it was
    initially. 10k priming for hours on end.

    So why?
    Answer: Not sure but it seems apparent that it's needs to get nice and warm to be prime stable, and
    maybe It's not warm in a literal sense, I just don't know. However It does seem to need this so called
    "warm up period" more often to become stable when the ambient room temps are lower than 70F or so.

    Please note these are just my findings on my rig, I would like to ask you guys to put this to the test
    to see if this "Warm Up Period" holds true with others. If you would like to participate I urge you
    to use Prime95 with 10k FFT to test with. I have found the 10k FFT's to put the most stress on the
    wolfdales!

    Thanks



    UPDATE/CONCLUSION

    Well guys, I can confirm now that my CPU's did not actually degrade.

    It is apparent now that the 45nm CPU's have a burn-in period of about
    1 - 2 weeks, after this time the CPU's will need a small bump in vcore
    (.024mv - .050mv) to regain initial prime stability.

    My CPU's are rock solid stable now, and are not showing any other signs
    of further degradation, I even had the vcore on one up close to 1.5v for
    some suicide runs, and still did not hurt it.
    Last edited by CrazyNutz; 04-15-2008 at 05:39 AM.
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