WIndows XP 64 or Vista 64?

[del_fuego]

If you intend to game on that machine, stay away from Windows XP 64bit. The mouse sensitivity is totally screwed up (tested and found +ve in Windows Server 2003 X64 as well.)

With the Windows Mouse Speed set to anything other than the default 6, the up-down, left-right symmetry is totally screwed up.

I've experienced this, but only on the desktop. In games the tracking and sensitivity works correctly.

[Jedda]

Well, my RAID drivers (from nvidia) are borked somehow, so I'll be reinstalling Vista x64 and throw on XPx64 SP2 for gaming comparisons.

I know this is the OS gorum, but I have to throw this out there: Damn you nVidia and your loopy RAID setups.

Sooner I'm full hardware RAID the better. Just lost two months work when nvidia raid performed a clusterfud on my data array.

[Kai Robinson]

Not had any problems gaming in XP64 so far...Crysis, Half - Life 2, STALKER, everything works as expected

And yes, i use a Logitech mouse, no SetPoint!

[Mekoa]

I use a Razer Lachesis mouse on both Xp64 and Vista x64. No problems with with either OS and mouse sensitivity.

[jcool]

I've been using XP x64 since February 07 (I think) and it rocks. In the beginning there were still a few driver issues, i.e. gaming performance with my X1900XTX sucked for the 1st month (also had like 3500 3dmark 06 lol) but when a new catalyst was released, performance doubled again
Was also difficult to find a driver for my Canon IP4000 but got that worked out too. What stays is the most reliable and stable OS I have ever had. No problems running for weeks folding, highly OCed of course
I also changed mobo 3 times already (P965, P935 and X38) without reinstalling or anything - and I don't even lose speed. Just gotta love it.
Vista64 IMO needs much more time for development (again) - the 32bit versions are fairly solid by now but x64 ultimate is still a nightmare.

Edit: I'm using a Logitech G3 laser mouse with XP x64 and precision is perfect in every game and desktop.

[Kai Robinson]

No its not if you have a Core 2 Duo and 2 GIG of ram.

What exactly are you trying to say? Be clearer in your responses.

[Jodiuh]

And yes, i use a Logitech mouse, no SetPoint!

I installed it for uberoptions, but sometimes the per app profiling gets screwed up...sure do miss the old Intellimouse Explorer 3.0 and it's per app.

MX518, Setpoint w/ Vista x64 SP1, lots of COD4 FFA lo sens =
(setpoint not required)

[Budwise]

i just swapped from Vista 64 to XP X64 and XP is a little quicker all around. Using an E6600 at 3.6Ghz with 4Gb of memory at 1000Mhz. XP X64 starts and closes programs a bit quicker and boots and shuts down faster as well. Dont know if FPS went up but it does seem faster. Overall i think i will finally be set on Vista 64 after SP1. Cant wait for it!

[javaman]

Has anyone considered the DRM issue in this Vista64 vs XP64 debate. I just read a THG article on xfire which the author cited "Vista DRM malware".

http://www.tomshardware.com/2008/02/...ails_leak_out/

I then searched on this and found that vista has DRM lowlevel stuff in it which has the potential to allow virus maker to enable their stuff as DRM protected content which would prohibit security programs from iding it.

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/security/0,1...9286677,00.htm

Not that alarms me as much (I would guess they (MS) will quickly plug this hole). What concerns me more is the wired article I came across in my search.

http://blog.wired.com/monkeybites/20...month_wel.html

I know the date on this article isn't new, but is this a major concern? I already try installing daemon tools and vist didn't allow it. Maybe I need a newer version. Does vista have this control to stop me from watching something I already payed for because they believe it to be illegal. ( already had one run in with the MS Nazis. I switched out my motherboard and had to try lot of things to get my legal copy "active" again. Finally ended up in having to call them and he issure me some other kind of code (not the one on my box). And now it works. I really just done like this or these kinds of processes to utilize content that I already paid for.

Sorry for the long rant. Long story short. Will I have less of these issues with XP?

[Soulburner]

Daemon doesn't install here either. Hopefully there is a newer version.

[Jodiuh]

dlite working here in vista x64 w/ and wo/ sp1...you guys did grab the x64 version, yes?

[javaman]

After doing all that DRM research on the web, I still lack seeing an exact technial breakdown of what the Vista DRM impact is. Is it some dll or sys file that can be repaired? I really dont want M$ deciding what content I can and cannot view on my own PC. Now that I paid for Vista I am hoping to find some set of utilities that guts all the crap from it.

[triple_A]

What the hell is DRM
I've heard a lot of nagging about it, but i don't know what it does.. lol

[Mekoa]

Tbh Im not sure what Vista DRM exactly is either. Ive had no trouble playing any media on my Ultimate edition. Daemon Tools x64 v4.12 (i think thats the version) works fine also?

[javaman]

From my vague understaning of it, I found the following two things:

(1) Vista has special low level functionality that allows processes to hide and run in a special protected mode such that even security software can't detect or scan them. It is done in the name of DRM and my guess is that so the hackers can't read the keys or such from the process and stream the decrypted digital content.

(2) Just because you can play anything doesn't mean that you will always be able to. DRM has controls to expire content, disallow, blacklist and such. I don't know the details of how this works. I just hate the fact that one day I can hook up to the net, then MS downloads some sort of lockout and now all my content is bad.

[javaman]

Maybe one day we will move to a complete digital cash model and I can expire the money I paid them.

[Jodiuh]

Does anyone have a privacy policy screenshot/pic after installing SP1? It was pretty crazy IIRC!

[KoHaN69]

dlite working here in vista x64 w/ and wo/ sp1...you guys did grab the x64 version, yes?

DT Pro (vIDE) doesn't work on xp64 yet, but they're wokring on it
it works on vista x64 and other OSs tho

Virtual IDE bypasses all copy protection in existence.

[ultimeus]

I'm going to buy 4 gb of ram, Is there any review of xp 64 vs vista 64 ?

[Emerica]

I'm going to buy 4 gb of ram, Is there any review of xp 64 vs vista 64 ?

I haven't tried Vista yet, but I can vouch for XP x64... And I like it a lot.

[Soulburner]

I'm going to buy 4 gb of ram, Is there any review of xp 64 vs vista 64 ?

In my testing and experience, Vista 64 is much faster at loading applications and game levels than XP 32. Tested between identical systems. I also tested the two systems in my sig - the notebook is running Vista 64 and my desktop is running XP Pro 32-bit. The laptop smokes my machine getting into levels even though I have a 10k RPM HDD and much more CPU power. It's crazy what the thing can do.

...just imagine what Vista would do with an SSD!

Framerates in most of my games were within 1%.

[Emerica]

In my testing and experience, Vista 64 is much faster at loading applications and game levels than XP 32. Tested between identical systems. I also tested the two systems in my sig - the notebook is running Vista 64 and my desktop is running XP Pro 32-bit. The laptop smokes my machine getting into levels even though I have a 10k RPM HDD and much more CPU power. It's crazy what the thing can do.

...just imagine what Vista would do with an SSD!

Framerates in most of my games were within 1%.

Do you have an XP x64 machines to compare?

[SoulsCollective]

If you're buying an OS for a gaming machine, there is literally no point in getting XP. Why buy an OS that doesn't support the latest DX10 version? If you're buying an OS for a server or business machine, then XP becomes more of an option as it's cheaper and more of the bugs have been worked out. Furthermore, Vista offers no compelling benefits in this area over XP.

Of course, if you're acquiring your OS through *cough* other means *cough*, then, really, the whole issue is moot. Use whichever you feel like.

[Emerica]

If you're buying an OS for a gaming machine, there is literally no point in getting XP. Why buy an OS that doesn't support the latest DX10 version? If you're buying an OS for a server or business machine, then XP becomes more of an option as it's cheaper and more of the bugs have been worked out. Furthermore, Vista offers no compelling benefits in this area over XP.

Of course, if you're acquiring your OS through *cough* other means *cough*, then, really, the whole issue is moot. Use whichever you feel like.

I agree. Personally, I don't play games, so XP x64 is perfect for me. Also if you are using "other means" and you plan on buying the software you could dualboot both OS's and decide for yourself which one is the best.

[Soulburner]

Do you have an XP x64 machines to compare?

No I don't, sorry. I would expect it to be the fastest but not by enough for me to consider it.

How many devs do you see supporting XP 64 in the future?