hipro5 Gives Us Early Yorkfield Action: 4.5Ghz+ On Air !!!

[RPGWiZaRD]

The initial view I had of Penryn was more like AMD Socket AM2 vs Socket S939, ie not a big deal, but now with the stepping C it's become more like Socket S939 vs Socket754 scenario. lol

Intel has done a great job improving Penryn, I don't think 3.4~3.6GHz range is anything Intel wouldn't be able to launch anymore if need be that would pass the test procedure in Intel labs. I wish I can say same thing about K10. Perhaps, we'll need to see that but seems AMD has also made nice improvements with the latest stepping. Always fascinating following how big difference there can be between different samples.

Should be noted that George's sample seems to be abit above avg, we've also seen a 4.5GHz 1.5v or was it 1.52v SuperPi 1M run but still that's a nice result as well so you can't deny even if these would be some lucky samples that Intel has done a great job with the 45nm die shrink.

[Arxagelos]

a nice tiny mightily cpu! can't wait to get one!

[marauder16]

man, my E6600 seems so poor now, I just hope prices come down to reasonable 300-350$ for this baby soon

[Movieman]

man, my E6600 seems so poor now, I just hope prices come down to reasonable 300-350$ for this baby soon

Get a Q6600 G0 for under $300.00..Most of them are clocking beyond 3200 and they are beasts at that speed.
I think the price of these penryns is going to be high for a long time to come.

[KTE]

I wonder what'll happen when you reach 0.1 second for these time-critical benches... they'll probably just continue till the ns mark.

[KTE]

What do you think guys, shall we expect retail Q9450 to be stable at 4GHz on air?

Define the air cooling solution, in a case, and obviously the m-board used, because of the high FSB and you'll get a more accurate answer.
It also depends on what their default volts are, but most C0 (Q9450/Q9550) I saw were around 1.20V and idling 30C (air). 4GHz would need 500FSB, which is not possible on too many boards with quads in a typical case.

For instance; Foxconn Mars is perfect with a huge Delta open top with Thermalrights best HSF for clocking, but tested recently on typical a/c did not reach 500FSB stable with X6800/E6850 (CPUs not limited). 487MHz was best stable. Quads would be less because you'd need to raise the NB and PLL volts and various ICs will run hotter and instable quicker.

See this for an example of air temps on Q9550 C0 step: http://www.hardspell.com/english/doc...p?news_id=1561

[NapalmV5]

5ghz on vapo LS ?

[Metroid]

The standard average will be Penryn = 4.0Ghz Conroe = 3.0Ghz.

Metroid.

[QWIDGYBO]

Holy SH** - wish i hadn`t bought Q6600 now!

By the way excactly when do these go retail?

The QX9650 will be the only Penryn available retail at the end of the year, around November.
Other Yorkfield's and Wolfdale's will be available in the new year...

[PhilDoc]

5ghz on vapo LS ?

That's what I'd be hoping for. Need to fix the LS, but that's minor, lol

[SoF]

OMFG hipro you make me sick...I just had a good E6850 hardly doing 5.4 GHZ on LN2 and now you come and tell us Yorkfield does 5.6 easy...I'm gonna rob a bank ^^

[PRJ]

The QX9650 will be the only Penryn available retail at the end of the year, around November.
Other Yorkfield's and Wolfdale's will be available in the new year...

Sorry mate, but you got me confused, your say QX9650 is a Penryn, but your sig says its a Yorkfield.

I was going for a QX9650, because I cant wait any longer than november, but if the action we se here in this thread, only is achieved by Yorkfield and not by Penryn, then I´ll have to wait a bit more.

Thanks

[Metroid]

Sorry mate, but you got me confused, your say QX9650 is a Penryn, but your sig says its a Yorkfield.

I was going for a QX9650, because I cant wait any longer than november, but if the action we se here in this thread, only is achieved by Yorkfield and not by Penryn, then I´ll have to wait a bit more.

Thanks

Penryn = 4 cores = Yorkfield
Penryn = 2 cores = Wolfdale

Penryn is an architecture/codename derived from Core 2.

I hope this helps you to understand.

Metroid.

[MrWizard6600]

And AMD is having trouble with the 65nm yield, barely managing 3.0GHz .

I do feel for AMD. Hopefully the R680 is a winner

"well we cant bash intel, they're owning us... lets go after Nvidia..."

[Kallenator]

This is proper nice! =)

Now a DDR3 price drop around Yorkfield launch date would be super

[sky]

Conroe average is more than 3GHz, 3.3GHz is more accurate number I think. I've never seen(and never heard about) a Conroe that can't do 3GHz stable, but I've seen Conroe's at 3.6+GHz being stable 24/7 on stock voltage and cooler.

4GHz average is awesome number, but I wonder if the Q9450 is going to be capable for such OC on a budget mainboard (P35 with DDR2).

you, apparently, have never seen my e6600 that has a hard time benching at 3100 with 1.5v using watercooling. i'd say it's about stableish at 1.5v and 2900 mhz. awesome, innit? using a chilly1 i got it benchable to 3600, but that isn't really stable either

anyway, anyone wanna get rid of his qx9650 let me know ...

[RPGWiZaRD]

The standard average will be Penryn = 4.0Ghz Conroe = 3.0Ghz.

Metroid.

I think more like a 3.6GHz Conroe clock corresponds to 4GHz Yorkfield, sth like that in terms of how easily it reaches that clock. I predict more like about 500MHz higher clocks from Penryn (same cpu multi comparision and with 9x multi or higher discluding mobo limitation) in avg if we disclude people that didn't try maxing it out.

hipro5's looks to be a bit above avg but perhaps C1 or C2 stepping or sth like that will also produce results like these more than in a few cases as well. Q9450 will be more interesting for most people than QX9650 as it's too expensive for most people and with a 8x multi I wouldn't be suprised if ppl max out around 8x 470~490 most often due to motherboard becoming the limiting factor.

[marauder16]

is BIOS update enough to make most mobos support a Penryn? (especially a ICFX3200 :P )

[Skratch]

you, apparently, have never seen my e6600 that has a hard time benching at 3100 with 1.5v using watercooling. i'd say it's about stableish at 1.5v and 2900 mhz. awesome, innit? using a chilly1 i got it benchable to 3600, but that isn't really stable either

anyway, anyone wanna get rid of his qx9650 let me know ...

There is def something wrong with your setup,take a look at the e6600 overclocking database.

I am typing right now on a e6600@3.5ghz on air cooling with a closed case and only 2 fans in the case,one on my hds and one behind the cpu,blowing air out.

The b2 e6600's clocked to 3.5-7 easily.

I run my e6600 now at 3.5 for it to be 100% stable,take a peak on how well it clocked,this is with air cooling and that temp is right,this sucker was running very hot,but stable.Right now my chip is idling at 60c and its stable,people don't realise that these chips can run up to 85-90c before they start to throttle down.

[KTE]

LN² and extreme cooling board FSB is always higher than air/water cooled, can be as much as 100MHz. Big thing I've noticed is those with better CPUs will get higher FSBs on the same board even if both processors could manage say 520FSB each, if one can get 560MHz whilst the other gets 520MHz tops, on one particular board, the latter may not reach 510MHz while the former goes past it.
That said, if anyone tells me running above ≥60C after full 8 hour load in your typical case with typical noise is stable, then I'm afraid that doesn't count for me as air cooling possible criteria. Doesn't matter what the top MHz possible is that's a different thing altogether. Anything reaching below that, I'd count as stable if all else is OK and most G0 C2Ds I've seen at 3.5-3.6GHz air, but not earlier step.
A lot of the review site CPUs are limited, hence results differ on MBs. VR-Zone and TweakTown have the two best CPUs FSB wise, and consistently, they have the highest oc results. Limited does not necessarily mean "it can''t reach it", but "how much head room it has". On some boards its easier to drain the last MHz out of the CPU than on others where the board seems to drain the CPU MHz instead.

To compare, Here's a few website reviews of the latest chipsets and their FSB overclock-ability. Make note DC is usually at least 10MHz higher than QC, and sometimes 100MHz higher:

X38
ASUS Maximus Formula 484MHz DC, 460MHz QC
ASUS P5E3 Deluxe 510MHz DC 505MHz QC 520MHz 475MHz DC 558MHz DC
Gigabyte GA-X38-DQ6 500MHz DC 485MHz DC 505MHz QC 480MHz DC, 475MHz QC 517MHz DC

P35
Abit IP35 Pro 490MHz DC 457MHz DC 490MHz DC 557MHz DC
ASUS Blitz Formula 500MHz DC 572MHz DC
ASUS P5K3 Deluxe 490MHz DC 452MHz DC 465MHz DC
Asus P5K (Standard/Deluxe/Deluxe WiFi) 490MHz DC 455MHz DC Rev 1.02G 0414 BIOS 485MHz DC 540MHz DC >430MHz QC 510MHz DC
ASUS P5K-E 560MHz DC
Biostar TP35D2-A7 410MHz DC 480MHz DC
Biostar TP35D3-A7 Deluxe 410MHz DC 390MHz DC 458MHz QC Rev 0.51 0MHz DC Rev 5.0 351MHz DC
DFI LanParty UT P35-T2R 490MHz DC 450MHz QC
ECS P35T-A 350MHz DC 422MHz DC
Foxconn Mars 450MHz DC 520MHz DC 495MHz DC, 490MHz QC
Foxconn P35A 386MHz DC 348MHz DC 438MHz DC
Gigabyte P35C-DS3R 456MHz DC 540MHz DC, 455MHz QC
Gigabyte P35-DQ6 490MHz DC 459MHz DC
Gigabyte P35-DS3R >505MHz DC
Gigabyte P35-DS4 568MHz DC
Gigabyte P35T-DQ6 457MHz DC 550MHz DC, 470MHz QC 581MHz DC
MSI P35 Diamond 459MHz
MSI P35 Neo 369MHz DC
MSI P35 Neo Combo 334MHz DC
MSI P35 Platinum 490MHz DC Rev 1.0 390MHz Rev 1.1 463MHz 465MHz QC 490MHz DC 495MHz DC

[PRJ]

Penryn = 4 cores = Yorkfield
Penryn = 2 cores = Wolfdale

Penryn is an architecture/codename derived from Core 2.

I hope this helps you to understand.

Metroid.

Hi Metroid

Thanks for clearing that up for me

One quistion about QX9650 does it have unlocked multiplier?

Thanks

PRJ

[DMH]

Obvious,is an Xtreme Chip and the only reason why you pay 1000$ is because of it's unlocked multi

[BeardyMan]

Obvious,is an Xtreme Chip and the only reason why you pay 1000$ is because of it's unlocked multi

and the fact that it's the best silicone from intel.

[Metroid]

Hi Metroid

Thanks for clearing that up for me

One question about QX9650 does it have unlocked multiplier?

Thanks

PRJ

Yes, just make sure your kidney is still there. So you can rock it up on a good sense of course


Metroid.

[DMH]

and the fact that it's the best silicone from intel.

Sometimes we see the "normal" chips achieving better clocks then the Xtreme(X6800 vs E6700 the diabolics one's from zannema and newbettle)