Well i figured i'd be the pioneer for this and I used ATI winflash and a BBATI 1900xtx r580.rom no problems thus far........seems my temps at idle went down............Anyway thx Digitally Unique for the $525 x1900xtx Retail.......
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Well i figured i'd be the pioneer for this and I used ATI winflash and a BBATI 1900xtx r580.rom no problems thus far........seems my temps at idle went down............Anyway thx Digitally Unique for the $525 x1900xtx Retail.......
Very nice please keep us posted on this. I might have found my next upgrade.
Does it have 1.1ns memory?
Yes bbati/retail/x1900xt confirmed 1.1ns on my card.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coroner Kyle
results here >>>> http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=87669
Good looking ;)
Have you done a before and after the bios flash run on 3DMark?
Where can I find the XTX bios?
chew* - did the overclock potential change for you after the flash?
yes in the link provided. all scores are done with exact same config. only diff is one is an x1800xt max OC's one is a 1900xt stock clocks default settings and last is 1900xtx stock settings stock clocks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coroner Kyle
Heh i havent even begun to OC it yet....gotta hook up waterblock.....Was busy swapping cards swapping waterblock off x1800xt running tests and flashing bios.........also was supposed to pick up my chiller today but it seems they are closed. Monday it is. Maybe i can give the DI guys a run for they're money.Quote:
Originally Posted by flytek
I flashed my xt to xtx and it all appears to be working fine, but when the bios boot, it takes like 20 seconds for the video to recognise, it always has. My motherboard is a dfi nf4 sli-d. And in windows, it just says "x1900 series card", where can I find where it says if its an xt or an xtx? Also, my clock speeds are really low. Ever since I bought it (even after the flash), the clock speeds have been 500/600. Maybe this is the 2d clocks, because in atitool it can clock up to 675/830. Plus my 3dmark05 scores are good (~10450). Any ideas? Sorry if I'm kindof stealing the thread, but this is just more information for other people who are trying to flash, thought you guys might find this useful. Thankyou.
I flashed my XT to XTX too and everything works like a charm :)
Got 1.1ns Ram as well :D
in CCC it shows 2d clocks as current clocks.......Quote:
Originally Posted by POGE
i tried to flash using atiflash and it told me p/n mismatch. my card is the bba retail x1900xt is it possible i dont have 1.1ns memory or do i just need to check the force box?
You need to force flash it......But I would highly reccomend pulling heatsink off first and confirming if you have 1.1ns chips. I don't want and will not be resposible for lost hardware do so at your own risk.Quote:
Originally Posted by hawtrawkr
yeah good point id rather take a few minutes and do it right than deal with any potential problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
Force flash and it will go.
I would also suggest if your screen has any distortion when you open flash program or takes more than 20 seconds, you should reduce card clocks on your video card before flashing.
Durring the flash the flash, the screen can scramble and windows crash is a possiblility or forced reboot will result.
I flashed from XT to XTX and it seems my overclock increased as well.
glad i could pay more for the XTX and upload the .rom so others could pay less :)
j/k, glad to see it works for you guys, that is really awesome!
/kicks himself
lol
I guess i cant complain too much, got the crossfire card comming. Now this sucks though, what to do with my DFI EXPERT board... and do I wanna wait for RD580 board?
GRRRRR
A Irev 210......I think the wait will be worth while and i think they will be out sooner than you think :)
Just out of curiosity why'd ya buy the XTX if you planned on x fire? master card is clocked lower anyways which drops XT down....
great that it seemed to increase clocks for you FUGGER
i wonder if the ram timings are looser or something
a clock for clock test using the two bios' would clear that up too
now we just need to find out if the bios has anything to do with the cold bug or if the cores are sorted on that basis :D
it seems clock for clock is exactly the same. I might be wrong though. I didn't copy down the scores exactly. But at 700/800 I got 12000 on xt and 19980 on xtx bios.
:stick: score on xtx bios is wrong, 11980 id guess..Quote:
Originally Posted by mcbarnet007
Anyone flash the bbati R580 XTX bios on a Sapphire card yet? Since the memory is the same on all cards using 1.1ns I don't think it should matter but I'd still like some proof so I won't kill my card.
I'm hoping he ment 12980..... I don't want to think the score went down.Quote:
Originally Posted by ^don.k's^
I'm Also using a XTX bios. Only my card is a verry bad clocker. I can not run more than XTX speeds. Mem is not liking 800 mhz. And core max 675 :\
I should have bought a XTX.
well these ram chips are extremely heat sensitive.......etc GPU heat will hinder memory clock..Had the same issue with my x1800xt till i removed heatsink installed a dd block and ramsinks then 981mhz memory was a breeze....Quote:
Originally Posted by Astennu
A few have told me that actually dropping the volts below stock just a bit on the mem on their X18XT's actually improved their mem OC. Worth a shot, my X18XT comes tuesday....I'll test then.
agreed, if i run 800 mhz mem it crashes in game, but if i up the fan speed it can play foreverQuote:
Originally Posted by chew*
yah i used 1.996 for both memory voltages.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Chr0n1c
Humm interesting. But why are XTX users hitting 700-900 with stock cooling ?Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
I allready installed the VF700 CU but the Stock cooler @ 100% fan speed peforms a bit better.
I need the new VF900 or the new artic solution. I hope it will help me get 900 mhz out of that ram. But i can see its te core. Ram voltages do not help and lowering the core voltage of the gpu douse.
Well ATI said the xtxs dont have cherry picked r580s... I think someone's lying :slapass:
well i had the 1.1 so i went ahead and flashed over to the xtx and so far all is well. havent had much time to play with clocks yet though.
I prove or disprove the theory on monday and push the card at its max......If its anything like my x1800xt its a monster. Just waiting for the proper cooling.
From what I read, the XTX doesnt downclock to the XT crossfire speed. Mind you this was right as they were coming out.
I just ordered whatever I could get first. I ordered 5 XTX's and 5 XT's.
Well, the XTX came to my door first.
Now that the XT's can be flashed to XTX speeds, boy I am going to blow those out like crazy.
You happen to order any master cards?Quote:
Originally Posted by irev210
Just checked mine 1.1ns... flash worked :toast:
just ordered a sapphire x1900xt, anyone happen to know if sapphires come with 1.1ns modules?
The few reports I've seen thus far they do have 1.1ns memory. I just want to know if the bbati XTX bios will work with it. Anyone with a Sapphire card try the flash yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by macg
yea it will. Sapphire actually manufacturers most of ATI's cards. They are their biggest partner. The cards right now are all reference with no differenc between manufacturer besides maybe the sticker on the HSF.
That's good to hear..... my card should be here Monday or Tuesday so I'll have to give it a run.Quote:
Originally Posted by cantankerous
i think we need a single sticky with flashing, voltages, overclocking, overclocking programs and all for the x1900xt/x
I just flashed my sapphire xt with 1.1ns chips with a sapphire x1900xtx bios and its working nicely, ran rthdribl for 10 minutes with fan at 50% and was at 60c, trned the fan to 100% and 10 minutes later 53c :slapass:
Has anyone come across an x1900xt with 1.2ns chips? Seems like everyone is getting 1.1ns. My sapphire x1900xt comes tuesday or wednesday, can't wait to flash to xtx :cool:
ATI Brand X1900XT > 1.1ns > XTX flashed worked w/o any problems.
I flashed my Club3d XTX with the BBA bios in my quest for getting overclocker to work. Still didn't work with overclocker but in atitool I suddenly couldn't overclock the mem as much. Flashed back to the club3d bios and everything was as it should be again. Tighter timings on the BBA bios?
BTW. if someone could send me a bios that works with overclocker, I'd be really happy. :P
yeah that's a question worth asking.. any 1.2ns heh... funny all these 1.1ns chips and 512MB 7800GTX still has a shortage ???? ATI bought them all ?Quote:
Originally Posted by bnice7
So are people getting better clocks with the XTX BIOS or is it the same.
I am wondering the same thing, still debating on XT or XTX. It seems no one can agree and some cannot clock their XT's very well even after a xtx bios flash. I am leaning more twards the XTX. Some one needs to start x1900 series OC/3dmark results thread so we can all compare to some thing and get an idea of where every one is at.Quote:
Originally Posted by G H Z
should be a few more days before mine arrives, hoping to see 1.1ns lol :P
@ chew*: Will you have results after you pick up your chiller later tonight?
Anybody has a HIS 1900xt ? i might be getting one of those so i wanna be sure it has 1.1ns ram...Here is a link to the card http://www.hisdigital.com/html/produ...d=218&view=yes
I posted some water results in a couple threads. Chillers home just trying to find a happy mix/temp combo. Think i need to add some denatured alcohol atm as it's gelling up straight propylene glycol around -40F. Problem is with denatured added pulldown is longer/ overall temps don't go as low.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coroner Kyle
How about the warranty? Is the warranty void after flashing the firmware or can the firmware be flashed back to XT before sending the card for RMA?
IT will be sad to see a $500 card be burnt like that.
The 1.2ns memory are found in X1900 Crossfire Edition cards. Local magazine showed pictures of a HIS X1900 Crossfire card with 1.2ns memory. I am sure my Sapphire X1900 Crossfire Edition has 1.2ns memory, too ( I have not checked it, yet). Seeing that Sapphire builds cards for ATI and HIS sells BBA cards then they should be built by Sapphire, too.
So X1900 with 1.2ns memory are mainly the crossfire edition cards.
X1900XT and X1900XTX cards are the same and the only difference is a bios flash.
Just like how some Geforce cards are sold as factory overclocked cards.
so any conclusion yet? doese the xt with xtx biose oc better or worse?
Damn you guys, you really need to test some more :)
My Sapphire X1900XT will ring my doorbell tomorrow. I'll keep you guys posted.
[EDIT] Ok, I'm going to kill the mailman who wasn't here today :(
can someone give me a quick rundown of the flashing process? I know i need to make bootable floppies and put the exe's and rom on them. Is there a guide on this?
http://www.mvktech.net/content/view/17/37/
You will want to check for newer versions of the utilites mentioned.
i just did it using WinATIFlash...
isit working out allright? kan you oc better now after the flash?Quote:
Originally Posted by Budwise
Warranty with even ocing is void...just remember to oc down to 500/500 before flashing, just in case.
Perkam
i dunno, i never really maxed it out before the flash. I just got it this morning. Before the flash i seemed to max out at 710/800, but i only messed with it like 10 minutes. Right now its flashed to XTX and i have the OD all the way as high as it will go. Ill mess with ATI Tool and voltages later...
oh ya!
http://thecowsaysmoo.org/budwise/pic...900XT%20WC.jpg
06 and 05 with the 6.2 driver. X1900 XT flashed to XTX running at 702|850. I just have the stock cooler on it now and am planning for water.
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/7421/62067pb.jpg
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/1136/6205a4lw.png
05 without overclocking the videocard, aka 648|774.
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/9...default4rz.jpg
EDIT: they finally let me publish my 06 and 05 score:
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=118362
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1792016
So where are you purchasing your XT cards with 1.1ns mem? (Hope I didn't miss that somewhere in this thread...)
Or which brand/model seems to have the 1.1ns mem?? :)
Only the CF Editions seem to have 1.2ns instead of XT/XTX's 1.1ns.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaotai
so far...Quote:
Originally Posted by biohead
so all xt and xtx's have 1.1... interesting... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Budwise
i just flashed my club 3d card, everything seems to be running fine , i need a favour though , can someone give me a link to an original club3d xt biose. as i flashed without saving the rom file .thanks in advance .
So? Do the card clock better or worse? If its no difference, I cant see any point in flashing the card..who wants voided warranty anyway?
worse in my case .still need link to club 3d xt biose .Quote:
Originally Posted by LenniZ
Is it possible flash a crossfire card?
there is only one x1900 series mastercard so it isn't possible. Or, well, there isnt any other version to flash it to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bootsy
edit: lol, wrong thread
Hi
I'm trying to flash my XT. I don't have a floppy drive so I had to make a bootable CD. When I try and update or backup the bios I get "Adaptor not found".
How do I get around this?
Thanks in advance
use latest WinFlashQuote:
Originally Posted by Streggi
Thanks - got this to work ok. So far no change in my 3DMark06 score:
- 1900XT - 5946
- 1900XTX - 5942
strangely though I lose 6fps in fear with everything turned on though - I get 51 Ave with XT, and 46 with XTX.
I couldn't clock my XT card with ATiTool, but I'm going to see if the XTX bios is easier to clock before I go back to the XT bios.
Can I ask a dumb question please. With the Sapphire cards the XT and XTX clock speeds are exactly the same so how how the hell can they ask for $100 more?
Beats me !
i dont think your flash worked ,as xt is 625 on core where 648 on xtx .both core and memery are a bit higher on mine when flashed to xtx .
How can i save my stock XT bios? is there an option in winbios? I want to do the flash but need an escape plan just in case. My card does 702/801 @ 1.45/2.0/2.0/1.45, but takes 1.575 to do 732. and RAM wont go over 810 regardless of voltage.
the new atitool beta 14 saves the bioses. I do believe the atiwinflash program does as well.
atiwinflash has three buttons...load, program, save
click the save button
Just tried this on my power color X1900XT.
Clocked at 686/797
Tested with 3D06
Before flash 6422
With XTX Bios 5459
:(
Results are poor now and Ive flashed back to my original bios and they have remained poor :mad:
About flashing XT to a XTX. It worked great for me with the bios that come together with ATIwinflash (x1900xtx.rom). But when i changed to r580.rom bios, the core clock whent really bad. Right now it goes in 650mhz so if i adjust it 10+ the pc goes for reboot.
The card is a Connect3D with 1.1ns mem.
Vgpu 1.175v
Mvddc 2.086v
Mvddq 2.086
Vddci 1.500v
And the 24/7 temp in i idle is 27C
So i'm not sure what it could depend on. I guess the bios don't like the card somehow, but why wouldn't it?
where did you get the x1900xtx.rom with ATIwinflash ? Mine didnt come with that.
This is just redicilous, why flash the card when so many people is having problems, and none has posted better results after flashing the card?
c.freak: that voltage is 2d voltage, you need to disable the ati services and set 1.4-1.45 vgpu
Devious: I think i got it from this forum, but i don't remember from which thread. The filename was "x1900xtx.rom" try search on it. But
Lenniz: Ok thank's for the advice. Maybe i should have noticed it was a little bit low, cause i got some nice lists on the exact adjustments on the x1900. Checked it up before but this time i kinda forgot it.
I've read this whole post from start to finish and all that happens is the problems keep getting more common the more people flash their XT to XTX. I'm sold with buying a Crossfire XT card with 1.2 memory and a slave XT card with 1.1 and leaving it at that. This flashing is definitely not worth it.
There isn't much benefit to flashing other than the stock clocks go up a bit. Is it really worth risking a $400+ investment for a few extra clocks at startup?
Hi to all, I'm new to the forum and just want to share my personal experience from flashing my sapphire ati radeon X1900XT to X1900XTX.
My card is working flawlessly and in fact a saw an improvement after flashing.
Before flashing I had the following results:
3d mark 2005, 9952marks
3d mark 2006, 5250marks
With the XTX bios I had the following results:
3d mark 2005, 10115marks
3d mark 2006, 5560marks.
In any way I didn't overclock the card before or after flashing.
I forgot to mention that I used a bios version from sapphire's ati radeon X1900XTX.
Here is some useful links I used:
http://www.mvktech.net/component/opt...tfolder/cat,1/
http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads...S_Flashing/ATI
both sapphire bioses have the same clocks correct?Quote:
Originally Posted by xpatar
Nope, and I think the score went up only because the clocks went up a little.Quote:
Originally Posted by einCe
I suppose you are referring to 2D clocking.Quote:
Originally Posted by einCe
That is the same in both versions, the only thing that changes is the 3D clocking. When you start a 3D application the clocks are set higher that is why I had better scores in 3d marks.
The last days I've been overclocking my cpu, which I managed to clock from 2000MHz to 2400MHz. That is a gain of 400MHz.
The scores are even higher and I didn't even overclock the vga after flashing it from xt to xtx.
3d mark 2006 5560 marks @2000MHz cpu,
3d mark 2006 5789 marks @2400MHz cpu.
In every way I didn't have a drop in scores after flashing, or even crashes in 3D applications or even after ocing my cpu.
I include a photo after ocing the cpu.
I have X1900XT His Master Card ! can I flashing to X1900XTX ? where I get bios ?
My BBa1900xt is on the way.I am pretty confused with the problems of lower frames with the xtx bios.Has anyone figured the problem , or found an bios that works without any problems.