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09-23-2005, 05:50 AM
wai-wai

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DFI Lanparty UT nF4 SLI-DR Expert

anyone know when will it release ?! :woot:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...chmentid=37460
09-23-2005, 05:54 AM
Syndicate

They recon about the same time that the Cross fire boards are releases, about the end of September.
09-23-2005, 05:55 AM
wai-wai

Quote:

Originally Posted by Syndicate

They recon about the same time that the Cross fire boards are releases, about the end of September.

nice~ :banana:
through the box it seems support RAID5 ? :confused:
09-23-2005, 05:58 AM
cupra

nice.
expert - that is the new rev of the boards ?
09-23-2005, 05:59 AM
wai-wai

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wow :fact:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=37461&stc=1
09-23-2005, 06:02 AM
wai-wai

any more informations about this board pls post here~~~
thx~!! :banana: :banana:
09-23-2005, 06:03 AM
wai-wai

the layout

http://image.blog.livedoor.jp/ocwork...7/071bf9f2.jpg
09-23-2005, 06:27 AM
Vapor

Seems all 8 SATA ports support RAID5, doubtfully in a single array however.

Also, there doesn't seem to be a JP17, meaning there is a decent chance that they stabilized VTT (and now we don't need to change the jumpers too).
09-23-2005, 07:34 AM
Daved+

I want it!!! Damn!
09-23-2005, 07:37 AM
ozzimark

same thing as this it seems
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=70116
09-23-2005, 09:38 AM
Supertim0r

we should be able to put a damn heatsink on that chipset :banana:
09-23-2005, 09:46 AM
GRAFiZ

LOL... big whoop.

Anyone remember that Simpsons episode about the Stacy dolls?

"She's got a new hat!!!"

Thats what I see here... a few tweaks and they expect us all to fork over another $200 bucks.

Oh well.. perhaps next time around.
09-23-2005, 09:49 AM
Daved+

Quote:

Originally Posted by GRAFiZ

LOL... big whoop.

Anyone remember that Simpsons episode about the Stacy dolls?

"She's got a new hat!!!"

Thats what I see here... a few tweaks and they expect us all to fork over another $200 bucks.

Oh well.. perhaps next time around.

haha... sad but true.

I would use the 3 PCI slots... I really need the extra PCI slot :(
09-23-2005, 10:20 AM
GRAFiZ

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daved+

haha... sad but true.

I would use the 3 PCI slots... I really need the extra PCI slot :(

True enough... I have the same problem, I either get to use my Sound Blaster or my IDE card.

So for now, the IDE wins out and I'm using on board sound... which sucks!!!

But, hardly a big deal for me.
09-23-2005, 10:32 AM
Vapor

I would like better VTT stability....I have a feeling that it killed my Redline. I'd also like the added space between my cards if I do go SLI.

Who knows, maybe there's better OC and better performance now too?
09-23-2005, 10:40 AM
corvus_corax

Quote:

Originally Posted by GRAFiZ

LOL... big whoop.

Anyone remember that Simpsons episode about the Stacy dolls?

"She's got a new hat!!!"

Thats what I see here... a few tweaks and they expect us all to fork over another $200 bucks.

Oh well.. perhaps next time around.

:lol:
Yep, Smithers says that in the Malibu Stacy vs Lisa episode, and then all childs (and Smithers) rush for the new doll. :lol:

Looks nice, in reality i need another PCI port for Audigy card. I have the others occupied for a PCI Parallel port and Wifi card, but well Karajan doesn't sound bad. On the other hand would be nice that about overclocking better than excelent means a VTT more stable or maybe a VTT control :)

We hope good price.
09-23-2005, 10:44 AM
Vapor

VTT control....now that's an interesting idea. I wonder what it would do :confused:

VTT should be VDIMM/2, but I wonder what bumping it up or down would do for the RAM?
09-23-2005, 10:51 AM
corvus_corax

Well would be nice. AFAIK, there are certain modules that perform better with a little offset in VTT signal. In mobos bases in ATI RX (like Sapphire Pure) there is a control for VTT.
09-23-2005, 10:52 AM
Harshal

Hope its date is early...and also that it overclocks (without killing anythin) as good as current ones if not more. If I get lucky, I will get one with my 7800GT, Big Typhoon and Creative X-Fi (yeah I am gonna blow my savings), when I go to Singapore.
09-23-2005, 12:07 PM
wai-wai

Quote:

Originally Posted by ozzimark

same thing as this it seems
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=70116

yup ~~ :banana:
only the sata ports different~
09-23-2005, 01:06 PM
SamHughe

By the way, that is one of the ugliest box designs I have ever seen. Looks like a work of a middle school age manga enthusiast.
09-23-2005, 01:51 PM
s7e9h3n

Quote:

Originally Posted by wai-wai

wow :fact:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=37461&stc=1

Yup, the nf4pro chipsets allow jumperless sli and raid5 is nothing new, it's on the current sli-dr ;)
09-23-2005, 02:10 PM
fareastgq

the main thing is prob addressing the voltage issue
09-23-2005, 02:28 PM
kiwi

Hmm, what is meant by "better than excellent" overclocking

From my experience current DFI NF4 has 10 out of 10.

:toast:
09-23-2005, 02:28 PM
NinjaWreck

Quote:

Originally Posted by fareastgq

the main thing is prob addressing the voltage issue

I kinda like the NO SLI bridge, and not having to plug 15 different power cables into the board.
09-23-2005, 02:33 PM
Vapor

They removed the molex, that's it. They replaced the 4pin with an 8pin connector.
09-23-2005, 02:39 PM
3NZ0

Quote:

Originally Posted by kiwi

Hmm, what is meant by "better than excellent" overclocking

From my experience current DFI NF4 has 10 out of 10.

:toast:

well then i think it means its is 12/10 for overclocking then. :)

i like this, will move to x2 when it comes out

does this run the nf chippy that has 2x 16 lane pci-e connectors for grfx?
09-23-2005, 04:35 PM
wai-wai

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3NZ0

well then i think it means its is 12/10 for overclocking then. :)

i like this, will move to x2 when it comes out

does this run the nf chippy that has 2x 16 lane pci-e connectors for grfx?

should be~ :p:
09-23-2005, 04:42 PM
Vapor

It does absolutely not have 2x 16 lane pci-e. That requires the 2050 (or whatever it is called) in addition to the NF4Pro (2200), but there is clearly only one NB....not only that but it has been known for awhile that this is a refresh of the NF4SLI.
09-23-2005, 05:55 PM
wai-wai

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vapor

It does absolutely not have 2x 16 lane pci-e. That requires the 2050 (or whatever it is called) in addition to the NF4Pro (2200), but there is clearly only one NB....not only that but it has been known for awhile that this is a refresh of the NF4SLI.

omg.......... :(

http://www.tecnocomputer.it/prodotti...tocategoria=49
09-23-2005, 05:59 PM
wai-wai

one more pic.....

:(

http://www.tecnocomputer.it/writable..._2505_3643.jpg
09-23-2005, 06:12 PM
skycrane

Manageability DMI 2.0, WOL by PME; WOR by PME; PXE2 Boot
Excellent Over-clocking Capability Voltage tuning：Vdimm; Vnb; Vcore, Vht 1MHz frequency subtle tuning：Ffsb Adjustable CPU Multiplier :fact:

damn... looks nice, i wish they made one for an agp slot, some of us are still stuck in the stone age.... :banana:
09-23-2005, 08:12 PM
jetjaguar

are they gonna include a 4pin to 8 pin adapter for the people who dont have a native 8 pin psu ?
09-24-2005, 02:27 AM
3NZ0

Quote:

Originally Posted by jetjaguar

are they gonna include a 4pin to 8 pin adapter for the people who dont have a native 8 pin psu ?

i think you can plug the p4 connector in the 8 pin socket, its just you wont to see the true overclocking "potential" of the new board

maby the placing of the cpu next to the power in might help in some manner?
there has to be a reason behind the revised layout
09-24-2005, 08:42 AM
GMX

I suppose we all know that DFI scrapped the 3.3v and 5v option to source vdimm from.

BUT..

Will vdimm be sourced by 3.3v rail like in NF3 250gb or 5v rail in the DFI LP B?
09-24-2005, 08:55 AM
Harshal

I think DFI did review the 4.0V situation. I hope that this refresh will be cooler one (possible 5V only) and provide a clear current. They have had more then 6 months to refresh this board and additional 3 months to "de-bug" it too. So chances are very rare of this board eating any RAM.
09-25-2005, 02:39 PM
jetjaguar

looks like ill have to send pcp&c my psu so they can mod it to the 8 pin
09-25-2005, 03:41 PM
eliminate

how many PSUs are on the market that have 8 pin connectors?
09-25-2005, 03:49 PM
Vapor

All OCZ and some Enermax do I think.

It won't be critical, they can make an adapter to make 4Pin + a molex or two (I think) into the 8Pin.
09-25-2005, 04:12 PM
TransNone13

I cant wait!
09-25-2005, 05:49 PM
eliminate

well I there will be reprocutions in using the pin converter. So I want to have an 8 pin unmodded PSU if I ever planned on getting this board.
09-25-2005, 07:48 PM
Scroatdog

Quote:

Originally Posted by eliminate

how many PSUs are on the market that have 8 pin connectors?

My new Seasonic S12-600 has one. Just got done sleeving that particular rail. :banana:
09-25-2005, 08:00 PM
Grayskull

Scaling VTT has increased overclocking margin anywhere between 0 and 10 MHz in my testing. It is module/CPU/board dependent. This is why having the flexibility there is useful...tune it for what you have.

Quote:

Originally Posted by corvus_corax

Well would be nice. AFAIK, there are certain modules that perform better with a little offset in VTT signal. In mobos bases in ATI RX (like Sapphire Pure) there is a control for VTT.
09-25-2005, 08:08 PM
Vapor

Good to know, thanks Grayskull.
09-25-2005, 09:57 PM
eva2000

Quote:

Originally Posted by eliminate

how many PSUs are on the market that have 8 pin connectors?

my 2x 650W Silverstone PCI SLI psus have 8pin connectors http://i4memory.com/showthread.php?t=441

there's 8pin to 4pin adaptor as the 8pin is default (top right of pic)

http://fileshosts.com/psu/Silverston...0W/650W_12.JPG

http://fileshosts.com/psu/Silverston...0W/650W_07.JPG

http://fileshosts.com/psu/Silverston...0W/650W_24.JPG

same psu used by Shamino for record breaking 17k in 3dmark05 :)
09-25-2005, 10:03 PM
Vapor

Looks like a very good PSU there--very capable for the upcoming DFI boards too. How much was it?
09-25-2005, 10:12 PM
eva2000

In Australia to compare prices

850W PC Power Cooling SLI = AUD$680
700W Zippy = AUD$450-490
510W PC Power Cooling SLI = AUD$386
600W OCZ Powerstream = AUD$310-340
680W Thermaltake Purepower = AUD$245-255
650W Silverstone SLI = AUD$215-230
550W Antec Truepower 2.0 EPS12V = AUD$200
480W Antec Neopower = AUD$189
09-25-2005, 11:50 PM
mrlobber

Hey, my PCP&C850SSI has the 8pin connector as well :D :banana:

I wonder though, whether DFI will again blame the users for "not using proper PSU" if people who don't own PSU's with native 8pin connectors will start experiencing weird problems with the boards :rolleyes: But we will see ;)
09-26-2005, 12:14 AM
k00lance

I bought 2 for myself and 2 for other friends.
3 from newegg has both 4 pin and 8pin built in.
1 from other retail had 8 pin only and a 4pin converter

edit: meant 850SSI not the board.
09-26-2005, 12:47 AM
Scroatdog

I want this board A S A P !
09-26-2005, 12:50 AM
ReelMonza

We all want !
09-26-2005, 07:52 AM
wai-wai

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrlobber

Hey, my PCP&C850SSI has the 8pin connector as well :D :banana:

I wonder though, whether DFI will again blame the users for "not using proper PSU" if people who don't own PSU's with native 8pin connectors will start experiencing weird problems with the boards :rolleyes: But we will see ;)

my Enermax 701ax do not have..... :(
09-26-2005, 10:11 AM
uOpt

Quote:

Originally Posted by eliminate

how many PSUs are on the market that have 8 pin connectors?

My Seasonic SS 460s do.
09-26-2005, 01:59 PM
eliminate

so pretty much everyone but me has the 8 pin :(
09-26-2005, 03:48 PM
jetjaguar

:( no 8 pin here but pcp&c told me they could mod mine to have a 8 pin for 70 dollars
09-26-2005, 07:01 PM
Scroatdog

Quote:

Originally Posted by jetjaguar

:( no 8 pin here but pcp&c told me they could mod mine to have a 8 pin for 70 dollars

Dude, that's almost 10 bucks a wire! LOL
09-26-2005, 07:31 PM
uOpt

You can buy 4-to-8 pin adapters.

Not as good as native but better than just plugging in the 4.
09-26-2005, 07:43 PM
NickS

They also have molex to 8 pin converteers too =].
09-26-2005, 08:22 PM
VulgarHandle

is there/will there be a non-sli new revision board?
09-26-2005, 10:10 PM
Scroatdog

Haven't heard. Would be nice, as I have no plans to SLI anything. :nono:
09-27-2005, 12:44 AM
Enz0

23200 yen
http://www.ocworks.com/images/mb_dfi...sli_ex01_L.jpg
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09-27-2005, 01:16 AM
Dani

Is this board gonna take off cold bug?
09-27-2005, 01:50 AM
Vincentvega18

imo this is just marketing, and im sure a lot of people will buy it. But theres a hype about fixing problems with the previous board??? thats a little odd seeing as they made mistakes the first time around.
09-27-2005, 01:55 AM
Dani

Quote:

Originally Posted by MickeyMouse

The cold bug is the a64 chips silicon process and onboard ddr controller not the motherboard Dani ;)

But there is some mobos that can control cold bug, with some type of resistance you can adjust in BIOS
Heard from macci and The Stilt
09-27-2005, 02:48 AM
Dani

I think that board they tested was engineer sample or something..
I was something with resistors you could tune in BIOS to avoid cold bug, hmm, gotta search that link later :)
09-27-2005, 03:58 AM
alpha0ne

Looks like a nice upgrade to tide me over till late '06 ~ early '07 as long as I wont need to donate a kidney to afford it :)

Hey Mickey M I tend to agree with you regarding ppl losing h/ware, then blaming the board :rolleyes: , too many ppl not knowing quite as much about settup as they may say/think they have :fact:
09-27-2005, 07:59 AM
del_fuego

From the first link in Enzo's post (#61) -

"Those where it is most interesting OC are story around memory. From the Danny person when a subject that comes up, " 4 putting the 512MB memory of the DDR400, it actualizes 2-2-2-5-1t timing ", you were surprised. This 512MB memory of the 2bank is that 4, in other words the 1t command is possible even with the 8bank."

Does this mean that 4 lots of 512mb ram is usable in 1t timing? Or have i misunderstood? It would be great if it does.

dEl.
09-27-2005, 08:40 AM
Mats

Preorder in Sweden (october 8): http://www.overclockers.se/ItemInfo?itemId=52297730
09-27-2005, 09:04 AM
Harshal

This is looking a marketing thing mostly but I really hope that they Fixed Volt problems along with making it a better overclocker. Wondering how many makers are refining their SLI boards??
09-27-2005, 10:55 AM
wai-wai

Quote:

Originally Posted by VulgarHandle

is there/will there be a non-sli new revision board?

i would like to know 2~ :toast:
but i could not wait for...... :hump:
09-27-2005, 11:24 AM
Scroatdog

I like the layout, the additional SATA ports, and the additional PCI slot. I'm just trying to visualize how/where to place some small fans over the PWMIC area since I'll be H20 cooling, and wanna keep those puppies cool.
09-27-2005, 01:33 PM
Enz0

Quote:

Originally Posted by del_fuego

Does this mean that 4 lots of 512mb ram is usable in 1t timing? Or have i misunderstood? It would be great if it does.

dEl.

Yes.
Danny of the DFI Product Marketing section said so.
But, as MickeyMouse said, it's something very difficult and I don't know whether it is possible or not.

Latest PDF
http://www.ocworks.com/temp/LP_UT_nF4_SLI-DR_Expert.pdf
09-27-2005, 02:00 PM
cantankerous

argh, still using the Sil 3114 chipset?! What happened the Promise one that was to be used?
09-27-2005, 02:36 PM
TransNone13

Ditto argh!
09-27-2005, 04:31 PM
Scroatdog

Quote:

Originally Posted by cantankerous

argh, still using the Sil 3114 chipset?! What happened the Promise one that was to be used?

WTF DFI!?!?!??!!? W T F ? :slapass: :nono:
09-28-2005, 07:09 PM
wai-wai

Quote:

Originally Posted by Enz0

23200 yen
http://www.ocworks.com/images/mb_dfi...sli_ex01_L.jpg
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no expensive :party:
09-28-2005, 07:21 PM
uOpt

Hm, no more Zalman CF7700 and using the right x16 slot...
09-28-2005, 10:06 PM
IvanAndreevich

Martin Cracauer
Not like it's good anyway
09-29-2005, 01:02 PM
Enz0

DFI NEWS
http://www.dfi.com.tw/Press/press_he...90.jsp&SITE=US
09-29-2005, 05:24 PM
AlterBridge86

alright - finally DFI has acknowledged this board! I heard in the other thread for this board someone mentioning a October 6th retail date...lets hope they're right!
09-29-2005, 05:29 PM
fareastgq

I only want the dfi grouper board
09-29-2005, 05:31 PM
VulgarHandle

My DFI wishlist

No onboard sound
No onboard LAN
Collective mosfets for active cooling(i.e. new ati chipset boards)
A non SLI version

that is all... for now...
09-29-2005, 06:03 PM
Scroatdog

Quote:

Originally Posted by VulgarHandle

My DFI wishlist

No onboard sound
No onboard LAN
Collective mosfets for active cooling(i.e. new ati chipset boards)
A non SLI version

that is all... for now...

Me too. And add to that, FULL compatability with Seasonic power supplies!!
09-29-2005, 06:14 PM
eliminate

Well I just checked and my Enermax Whisper II has the 8 pin connector with the 8 pin to 4 pin converter piece. Im so happy :D
09-29-2005, 07:46 PM
en4cer

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scroatdog

Me too. And add to that, FULL compatability with Seasonic power supplies!!

Wow, I didn't realize there were issues with Seasonic PSU's :confused:

Mine seems to work great.
09-29-2005, 09:27 PM
Scroatdog

Issues for some... I've seen people report problems in DFI-Street about it, and the mods tell them "you should have gotten one from the approved list".

Well, if this board supposedly has its voltage problems corrected (whatever they were), I guess it will be a non-issue. Plus, I've got that snazzy 8 pin connector so I'm all set.

(still need to finish sleeving that damn thing. :hitself: )
09-29-2005, 09:57 PM
en4cer

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scroatdog

Issues for some... I've seen people report problems in DFI-Street about it, and the mods tell them "you should have gotten one from the approved list".

Well, if this board supposedly has its voltage problems corrected (whatever they were), I guess it will be a non-issue. Plus, I've got that snazzy 8 pin connector so I'm all set.

(still need to finish sleeving that damn thing. :hitself: )

Well, I guess I'm one of the lucky ones with no problems. I bought my Seasonic simply because of the bual PCI-E connectors and the 8-pin. I hope it will last me for a while.
09-30-2005, 12:13 AM
Scroatdog

I've got my hope set high on this board. :fact:
09-30-2005, 01:00 AM
alpha0ne

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scroatdog

I've got my hope set high on this board. :fact:

Hey Scroats you and another hundred K too :fact:
09-30-2005, 07:19 AM
cantankerous

why is everyone so excited about this 8 pin power connector? Didn't the original DFI NF4 boards also require this?
09-30-2005, 07:49 AM
\Karting_freak

didn't get an idea...
my pcp&c 510w wont work with this mobo?
09-30-2005, 10:01 AM
Gogar

If the Lan is in the NF4 chip anyways, why not use it? it would be a waste to not route it out... I have to agree that the second marvell PCI nic is a bit useless for anything serious. screw the PCI bus! Same with the extra sata ports.. it's totally useless for a serious raid array.. an 8 disk raid would in theory be capped to 266MB/s..
Assume one disk can pull 60MB/s
on the sil. you'd have 4 disks times 60MB/s = 240MB/s, but wait! it's capped to 133MB/s.. in a raid 0 all disks perform equally so the NF4 sata ports will be limped also to 133MB/s which means the theoretical limit for an 8 disk raid 0 is 266MB/s.

Now if the extra 4 sata ports were on PCI-e 2x or higher you would get something like 480MB/s out of an 8 disk raid 0 (60MB/s per disk).. quite a bit better, and would go up more with better performing disks.. unlike the sil. pci controller setup.
09-30-2005, 10:08 AM
Eldonko

Quote:

Originally Posted by cantankerous

why is everyone so excited about this 8 pin power connector? Didn't the original DFI NF4 boards also require this?

Nope
09-30-2005, 11:20 AM
deception``

Out of curiosity, does the OCZ 520W support this 8-pin connector?

deception``
09-30-2005, 11:35 AM
xgman

Quote:

Originally Posted by \carting_freak

didn't get an idea...
my pcp&c 510w wont work with this mobo?

Nope. I sent mine in to PCPC for the 8 pin mod.
09-30-2005, 11:37 AM
AfterClock

The mobo can operate with the 4pin plug also.
But it's better to use a 8pin a. power.
09-30-2005, 11:49 AM
xgman

"The LANParty UT nF4 SLI-DR Expert is scheduled to arrive in 2-3 weeks."

Sincerely,

Ming-Huey Jeng
09-30-2005, 11:49 AM
xgman

Quote:

Originally Posted by AfterClock

The mobo can operate with the 4pin plug also.
But it's better to use a 8pin a. power.

But that really remains to be seen.
09-30-2005, 11:59 AM
Scroatdog

Quote:

Originally Posted by xgman

"The LANParty UT nF4 SLI-DR Expert is scheduled to arrive in 2-3 weeks."

Sincerely,

Ming-Huey Jeng

That's TOO LONG.
09-30-2005, 12:49 PM
AfterClock

Quote:

Originally Posted by xgman

But that really remains to be seen.

http://img306.imageshack.us/img306/7281/expert4kp.jpg

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