Is bh-5 still alive? got 2x256mb running at ddr560 2-2-2-5

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10-15-2004, 04:31 PM
Onepagebook

Is bh-5 still alive? got 2x256mb running at ddr560 2-2-2-5

mobo: MSK k8n neo2 1.3b6 beta bios
CPU : 3500+ 90nm s939
Cooling : vapo LS
OCZ DDR booster 3.7v

http://www.e04hardware.com/coolalerbb/ddr560bh5.jpg
10-15-2004, 04:33 PM
Torin

Nice. It seems the problems with burning out A64 mem controller from high VDIMM are long gone.
10-15-2004, 04:34 PM
naelq

now that's what i call speed!! it's the almighty 2-2-2-x :D :D
which voltage!? :)

/// edit ///
WTF??! 3.7v !!! :banana: :banana4: :banana:
10-15-2004, 04:39 PM
STEvil

i seem to remember macci running at 4.0v pushing for 310mhz+ with some bh-5.
10-15-2004, 04:39 PM
Arnar

Real nice!!

Can you post some bh-5 vs gskill results?

then each at its max freq.
Im about to have 3x BH-5 kits (2x512mb and 1x1g kits) and was wondering if I should get some gskill..

thanks in advance
10-15-2004, 04:48 PM
Onepagebook

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arnar

Real nice!!

Can you post some bh-5 vs gskill results?

then each at its max freq.
Im about to have 3x BH-5 kits (2x512mb and 1x1g kits) and was wondering if I should get some gskill..

thanks in advance

I think that is totally different story, You can't just do it for 3.7v every day
but you can have samsung TCCD chip play 2.6v ddr550 every day. :D
10-15-2004, 04:50 PM
Arnar

Hehe.. but cant you use 3.5v on BH-5 for every day?

It would though be nice to see 250 BH-5 (2225) vs gskill at 300

And have multiplier set so the cpu is at the sem freq
10-15-2004, 04:55 PM
Onepagebook

Arnar, I can be very sure that
DDR500 2-2-2-5 is much much worse than TCCD running at ddr600 2.5-3-3-x(in terms of normal badwidth efficiency)
And the voltage for BH-5 running ddr500 is around 3.1~3.25v while TCCD only needs about 2.65v~2.75v to run DDR600(256mb x2 dual channel please);)
10-15-2004, 05:05 PM
Arnar

Ok, I was just looking for something to make up my mind wether to get Gskill ram.. since I recently bought a whole lot of BH-5 (3kits)

Voltages on the RAM doesnt matter ( I also have OCZ DDR Booster ).. just that they could live 24/7 on them ( or just couple of hours a day ) so I would be very thankfull if you could do that
10-15-2004, 05:18 PM
Onepagebook

ya I did that earlier already, please check out here:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=43710

you can see those results from TCCD doing over ddr600(at least).
compare with this bh5 done for ddr560 2-2-2-5, especially TCCD on ddr611(fsb 305)
has got better result 8543mb/s than bh5 though.:D
10-15-2004, 05:23 PM
Arnar

ok thanks.. and would the results be the same for 3dmark01 also?
10-15-2004, 05:26 PM
Gogeta

Very nice Kev :rocker:
I love seeing those 8xxxMB/s Sandra screens.
10-15-2004, 06:07 PM
hipro5

Very nice........What about unbuffered Sandra with TCCD and BH-5 at their maxed frequency?......
10-15-2004, 10:52 PM
Geforce4ti4200

"TCCD only needs about 2.65v~2.75v to run DDR600(256mb x2 dual channel please)"

but at 3-4-4-8 timings which would cancel out. dont ever use worse than 2.5-3-3-7 timings, the super high latency will kill performance, esp with a64s
10-16-2004, 02:49 AM
drunkenmaster

as pointed out buffered sandra is not a huge deal, it tells us something but unbuffered and the ddr500 2,2,2,5 vs ddr600 2.5,3,3,7 won't be that far apart i wouldn't think. Also wanna see 3dmark results to show general performance.

another thing is, jsut cos the tccd will run high on lower voltage, doesn't make that everyday use and bh-5 not. simply put there are a shedload of people that have run up to 3.5v for long periods of time and not had a stick die. its about running voltage that those memory chips can handle, tccd likes less voltage, that doesn't make runnning at 2.75v inherantly better. tbh i'd ru n3.7v without question all day long without caring. just not got a chip/board combo that wants to run high enough fsb to warrant that at the moment,

also, ath 64 deaths, other than that basically initial thread what, almost a year ago where only a few people actually had deaths and almost entirely all of them were on chaintech(early boards) or modded vdimm shuttle boards where almost all of them died from fluctuations, basically unsafe mod. Since then i ain't heard anything about dying ath 64's. Sure a few die here or there, no product in any history doesn't have some faulty components. My first 3200+ back last, sept? august? i ran at 3.3v for like 7 months straight before it was sold, to my m8, with the board, and its been at the same since then.
10-16-2004, 03:23 AM
macci

Quote:

DDR500 2-2-2-5 is much much worse than TCCD running at ddr600 2.5-3-3-x

Lets see a 3DMark2001 Lobby Hi test then? :)
12x250 1:1 2-2-2-5 vs. 10x300 1:1 2.5-3-3-x ?
edit: lets add 272x11 1:1 2-2-2-5 there too since you obviously got RAM capable of it ;)
Can you do one? Thx :)
10-16-2004, 04:58 AM
Elisha

http://lenine.biz/elisha/winbond.gif

no problem running BH5/6 at high voltage at all.
10-16-2004, 05:03 AM
althes

That is a very nice score. Cant wait for those benches
10-16-2004, 06:09 AM
Onepagebook

Quote:

Originally Posted by macci

Lets see a 3DMark2001 Lobby Hi test then? :)
12x250 1:1 2-2-2-5 vs. 10x300 1:1 2.5-3-3-x ?
edit: lets add 272x11 1:1 2-2-2-5 there too since you obviously got RAM capable of it ;)
Can you do one? Thx :)

Sorry Macci, I am talking about normal bandwidth. I certainly understand what your point is. ;)
10-16-2004, 07:04 AM
Onepagebook

Quote:

Originally Posted by µnrealneo²

PLEASE test it. :(

ya Iwill definitely do that when I got time.
need a spare HD to install win2k :D
10-16-2004, 07:15 AM
TEDY

why win2k ?
10-16-2004, 07:24 AM
FlyingHamster

Quote:

Originally Posted by TEDY

why win2k ?

because for performance, generally:

amd + win2k

intel + winxp
10-16-2004, 02:30 PM
Onepagebook

As the advice from Macci,(run 3d mark 2001se, game 3 high details only);please see here
Mobo: MSI k8n neo2 Bios: 1.3b6
RAM: 1.Mushkin PC 3500 Level II BH-5, 2x 256mb DC kit
2.GSkill TCCD DDR550 2.5-3-3-7, 2x256mb DC kit
OS: Windows 2000 SP4
CPU AMD s939 3500+ 90nm
Power: OCZ power stream 520W
HD: Maxtor 6E040L0 IDE

Let's see those two set of RAM:

http://www.e04hardware.com/3500p90nm/ram.jpg

1. BH-5 273x11 2-2-2-5:

http://www.e04hardware.com/3500p90nm...1ddr546bh5.jpg

2.TCCD 300x10; 2.5-3-3-6:

http://www.e04hardware.com/3500p90nm...ddr600tccd.jpg

It shows that results are really close to each other.
Therefore, I think there is no need to do BH-5 at 12x250, 2-2-2-5 right? :D

Thank you everyone.
10-16-2004, 02:44 PM
TEDY

sell me these mushkin :)
10-16-2004, 03:00 PM
blinky

what volts on the BH5?
10-16-2004, 03:34 PM
Onepagebook

Quote:

Originally Posted by blinky

what volts on the BH5?

3.6v w/ ddrbooster ;)
10-16-2004, 03:40 PM
blinky

Quote:

Originally Posted by Onepagebook

3.6v w/ ddrbooster ;)

hm try 3.9v, go for the max :D
10-16-2004, 04:40 PM
Onepagebook

Quote:

Originally Posted by blinky

hm try 3.9v, go for the max :D

weird, when I set 3.9v, the whole system did not boot at all.
Back to 3.5~3.6v, it just no prob to boot and run mark. Anything over 3.8v, no go. :confused:
10-16-2004, 04:54 PM
Stang_Man

Quote:

Originally Posted by Onepagebook

weird, when I set 3.9v, the whole system did not boot at all.
Back to 3.5~3.6v, it just no prob to boot and run mark. Anything over 3.8v, no go. :confused:

i think the way to get 3.9V is to boot at lower voltage then increase it slowly until you want your voltage.
10-17-2004, 12:03 AM
macci

Onepagebook, excellent info there! :)

Thanks for doing the test. Thats pretty much what a lot of us wanted to see I guess. Shows that the GSkill TCCD has very nice 'real world' performance too.
273 1:1 2-2-2-5 is pretty close to max as far as BH5 goes but can the TCCD stuff do much over 300 at those timings thru the Lobby hi test? Or does 273 vs 300 pretty much represent the peak performance level of each RAM?

Also w/ BH5 you can tweak the 'other timings' quite a bit (via A64tweaker) and get extra speed compared to the 'stock' 2-2-2-5-11 (2-2-2-5-7 already is a nice boost - and would prolly get the LH above 185 already..) - and it doesn't hurt the OC. Does similar tweaking help with TCCD too (in other words: can these modules take the faster 'other timings' too without hurting the OC level)?
10-17-2004, 12:14 AM
STEvil

Lose 5-15mhz according to the oskar-wu thread.
10-17-2004, 08:37 AM
Onepagebook

Quote:

Originally Posted by macci

Onepagebook, excellent info there! :)

Thanks for doing the test. Thats pretty much what a lot of us wanted to see I guess. Shows that the GSkill TCCD has very nice 'real world' performance too.
273 1:1 2-2-2-5 is pretty close to max as far as BH5 goes but can the TCCD stuff do much over 300 at those timings thru the Lobby hi test? Or does 273 vs 300 pretty much represent the peak performance level of each RAM?

Also w/ BH5 you can tweak the 'other timings' quite a bit (via A64tweaker) and get extra speed compared to the 'stock' 2-2-2-5-11 (2-2-2-5-7 already is a nice boost - and would prolly get the LH above 185 already..) - and it doesn't hurt the OC. Does similar tweaking help with TCCD too (in other words: can these modules take the faster 'other timings' too without hurting the OC level)?

Thanks Macci, I will let you know further info when I go deep with BH-5!
I appreciate your advice!
10-17-2004, 08:57 AM
Arnar

That was real nice comparasion, thanks alot for doing it :)
10-17-2004, 11:08 AM
spaceman

Yes, thanx for showing us that BH-5 is NOT outdated, lol. :cool: @ macci, a lot of us need some help with those "other" timings yet, any info? Thanx. :)
10-18-2004, 03:13 AM
//mAr

i got you, 1pagebook, by 0,2mhz ;)
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?p=4921

but the bandwith with multi of 9... sux :|
10-18-2004, 11:21 AM
Jhya

Quote:

Originally Posted by Onepagebook

Thanks Macci, I will let you know further info when I go deep with BH-5!
I appreciate your advice!

Onepagebook, can you also get your hands on a pair of 512MB BH-5 and do some overclocking? I like to see what settings you use to overclock 2x512MB BH-5 ram.
10-18-2004, 11:52 AM
blander

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jhya

Onepagebook, can you also get your hands on a pair of 512MB BH-5 and do some overclocking? I like to see what settings you use to overclock 2x512MB BH-5 ram.

her my highest overclock with 2x512mb @3.7v
http://www.pc-tweaker.ch/Pictures/275@2-2-2-5.JPG
10-19-2004, 12:05 AM
Mrki

My results with 2x512 KHX 3500 BH-5, 2-2-2-6-10-12 @ 3.2VDimm ...

http://mitglied.lycos.de/siedl/10x24..._6_37sekpi.jpg
10-19-2004, 01:19 AM
Mauri Antero

To add again that BH-5 still rocks :banana4:
Even KHX3000 with 3.8V :D

http://netti.nic.fi/~jhermune/KHX3000/2701M.jpg

http://netti.nic.fi/~jhermune/KHX3000/Sandra.JPG

http://netti.nic.fi/~jhermune/KHX3000/khx3000Suppa.JPG

http://netti.nic.fi/~jhermune/KHX3000/memtimings.JPG
10-19-2004, 08:00 AM
Jhya

Wow! those are amazing overclocks. GJ!! The DFI UT looks like a winner with DS BH-5 sticks!!!

I just hope MSI fixes their BIOS so that my K8N Neo2 M/B can get along with my 2x512 KHX3200K2 sticks. I am currently using BIOS 1.36 and anything past 205 on my BH-5 ram I get BSOD. That's with 3.4V on the DDR Booster. Single sticks boots me fine to 250 HTT 1:1. 2-2-2-8 1T
10-19-2004, 08:09 AM
The Runner

should I buy an OCZ booster or not for my ram... hmm *thinks*
10-19-2004, 08:56 AM
perkam

If you need any help deciding:

Your ram and proc might be different, but with sufficient cooling:

http://xtremesystems.org/forums/show...ht=ddr+booster

You decide...:D

Perkam