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from what i understand they ripped out all of the old start menu and task bar. this will be the greatest fail since ME or when they certified and pushed NV cards in new boxes at the vista launch when the drivers caused blue screens all day in the low end hardware/certified intel IGP to do AERO and that lagged them out and no one told people how to disable it. even server and enterprise are CMD and metro only.
thanks for this in spanish !!! great will tryQuote:
Originally Posted by Mats
I was using the "consumer preview" on my work machine for a while. It just doesn't work on a PC. The Metro UI seems great for tablets and phones but it doesn't translate to usage on a PC at all.
So they are not removing Metro?
Then im gonna skip Win8. Its nice and all and some people wil love it but i just dont want crap like that on my desktop. Even if my LCD was touch i would hate it.
Like said above its prolly grt on tablets but why make such a thing for desktop.
I've tried to use the Consumer Preview, it's not for desktop or notebook. The UI looks like a kindergarten OS UI.
It seems the RP is the same.
The new theme looks great, the glass effect is gone. Some advanced settings are gone from Personalization (like BORDER PADDING:rolleyes:), but you can still change them in the Registry.
I dunno, I was against Metro at first, but now I realized how rarely I'm using the old start menu in the first place, so it may be ok for me.
I don't need more than the 35 or so icons that fits in the taskbar on my monitor.
Anyway, I can't see the point of having metro on Window Server..
lol me neitherQuote:
Originally Posted by Mats
Well, ubuntu got rid of their start menu and changed it for a fancy HUD, it freezed up so much visual clutter, it was a bold and nice move... I think I will download this bad boy and give it a goQuote:
Originally Posted by Mats
Viva la Windows 7!
but seriously, I can easily see Windows 7 becoming the new "XP", we have no reason to move on to the "next and inferior" operating system.
Biiiiiiiiiiiiiig difference between Unity and Metro. Unity, while being ugly as hell is still very functional and really isn't anything more than a glorified Aero Start menu. Metro on PC is not functional and if it is really implemented on Server then the Windows franchise is in big trouble.Quote:
Originally Posted by kuroikenshi
^^ That I concur with.
I hear this has disabled all the start button hacks that people had working in the preview.
Just....... Why would you use this????
Could've sworn you could have the 'classic' UI. Maybe they just didn't include it with that build?Quote:
Originally Posted by itznfb
You could enable the start menu in the Developer Preview. IIRC, Explorer.exe is smaller in CP than in DP, MS removed some vital parts.Quote:
Originally Posted by iddqd
Might stick this on my XT2 Tab lol
Bout all its good for?
-PB
actually I'd like to see some feedback from x86 tablet users. can you do it Paul?
I left Ubuntu cuz they went Unity. They tried to do Apple-like window (window menu such as File, View, etc stuck to taskbar) but all it does is bug the crap out of the software. You gotta see how many people complained about Unity.Quote:
Originally Posted by itznfb
I'm on Kubuntu instead now. In fact, I gotta thank Ubuntu for making me leave it and discover Kubuntu. Way more intuitive with Kubuntu.
All this in a VM, anyway. Linux isn't my main OS.
Can do, getting a new HP Folio 13 Ultrabook for work next week so I can use my current work Tab (XT2) for W8 fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by kuroikenshi
I haven't read much into the drivers aspect, but I can assume its a Vista>W7 type scenario?
-PB
There's a reason Linux Mint is one of my fav distro's, specifically because it is almost backwards from this apparent 'future OS' design from MS tch tch tch
You know, you can disable unity...I quite like unity though, it's similar to the Windows start menu but it fits better.Quote:
Originally Posted by blindbox
Ubuntu is now my preferred OS, and the few Windows programs I need run okay with Wine.
As a gamer, I use Windows.
Linux/Unix is for work only.
I have a atom tablet with the RP on it. Metro is amazing on touch, but I can't believe how inefficient it is with a mouse and keyboard. Even the desktop is a step backwards with the start button missing. I never noticed how much I used the stupid thing.
Maybe in 2 years when the computing usage model is mainly touch Win 8 will make sense, but in the mean time it will be a rough road for Windows 8.
I really do like it on my tablet though, great touch UI, great UI for basic users, terrible for power users.
I agree :), win8 is not for me, win7 like me more (win8 beta I had at second PC one week).Quote:
Originally Posted by 3lfk1ng
Has anyone here installed this yet?
I'm curious, is dpc latency still 5-6x higher?
Mem bandwith still 33% low?
It's not really all about the ui to me, as I don't use the start menu in win7 either.
It's about speed.
I've gotten the cp ver down to a lower amount of running processes then win7, but the speed is atrocious in win8.
I have half a mind to suspect they are doing it on purpose...
The move from xp/2k3 to win7(vista?) was the same, just not as near as bad lol.
I dislike touch in general. Something about smudges overlayed on top of something that is the main visual representation of the system I am operating just doesn't appeal to me.
I don't miss the start button since I have a start key. If anything, I'd miss the start menu, but I'm not there yet.
I'm not surprised, the encryption/DRM modules has probably 'evolved' to steal some more CPU cycles. You got more, they grab more... Same scenario will happen again though, by shifting focus on drivers from win7 to win8 it will be the "fastest" OS eventually. I don't mind actually, when that time comes my XP/2003 installation will give me a even more lean n' mean feeling. Faster in all aspects and longer battery time. I really don't se any value in swiiishy-swooshy UI, does absolutely nothing for my performance behind the keyboard, on the contrary quite annoying...can't stand win7 and wont touch win8 for sure.:down:
Quote:
Originally Posted by NEOAethyr
I have no desire at all to use 8, It just seems clunky on a pc.
I did a quick search on it, knowing it just came out I probably wouldn't find the answer but I did.
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4940982
A big WTF ms...Quote:
Initial tests are the same as I found before. DPC latency is 1000us, appalling. There is still no obvious way for first time users to get out of desktop. Startup time is fast, 8 seconds on my laptop with 5400 rpm hdd. I will keep at it but this is a dead duck for desktops. Tablet use only. Bring on Windows 9
It seems more and more that win7 is the last ms os I will ever use :\.
When they slow it down by 33% on purpose, just to make us upgrade our hardware, that is just not cool.
Boot party at microsoft's..., yeah I know that's a bad joke... but they deserve it for being such greedy @ssholes.
Metro is completely useless I think, but it's not hard to make your own start menu using the quickluanch, if you place a folder in there and hold the CTRL key while you left click on that folder in the quicklaunch bar, it'll open up as a menu.
I use my little network monitor prog that I made to skip these user steps, it detects when the mouse is hovering over that location and the left mouse button is clicked, so it knows when to hold the ctrl button down for me.
And this is my solution for the start menu.
Still, metro needs removing, and it's not so easy since after the DP ver.
Then there's the speed prob, which is a deal breaker for me.
I think I would literally have to clock up 1ghz on my cpu to achieve the same speed as win7 (ie thuban 4ghz vs. 3ghz).
If you guys have win8 installed, check the dpc latency and the mem bandwith reported by aida64's benchmark.
Regardless of what you gut out of the os, it's still slow...
There are ways to improve speed of some things, but the overall speed of the entier os is down to it's routines.
There is a service called FontCache, which I believe is responsible for the major slowdowns in menu's, ones like my quickluanch start menu.
I mean major slowdown, I'm not 100% sure that is the service that causes the slowdown for that, but it's one of many I removed and that speed prob went away.
And btw, the driver's make no difference at all when it comes to the main slowdown in win8.
I replaced most of them, there are a few threads out there on diff sites that talk about this prob, with no solution.
:(
Are the slowdowns due to anything else? Debugging code possibly still enabled? It is a preview still.
I've migrated from Mint to Ubuntu over the last year or so. I prefer gnome-shell over Unity though. Unity is an improved version of the start menu but it's still slow and clunky. Windows should have in that same direction though. Something that isn't an overlay and that works well on both Desktop and Mobile/Tablet. The Android UI does this well. I have a Transformer Prime which basically switches between a Tablet and PC but connecting or disconnecting the keyboard dock. The UI is a seamless transition between touch interface and keyboard/mouse interface.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeepBeep2
Indeed it's possible.
However I've enabled the debug kernel before on previous os'es and never had such a slowdown.
One thing I do know, I've gotten rid of most of the drm and debugging, as well as the performance counters and such and the speed is still quite wack.
I thought it might be debugging code at 1st, then I realized this is something that has been going on with every odd release of an os that ms has done.
In terms of dpc latency anyways.
Comparing say xp with win7, the latency is probably 3x higher.
But the mem bandwith is about the same when it's clean anyways.
... can't finish the post...
Err crap, I gotta go shopping, bbl.
This, also it's less resource intensive. I tossed mint on a few dated items and they sprang back to life faster and better than my current "uber" windows boxes.Quote:
Originally Posted by SabreWulf69
I'm installing it right now on top of win 8 consumer preview. On this comp i write from.
I'm not fan of metro, but metro does not affect me at all - i use win8 with normal desktop, it is here.
I like several features in win 8.
Have heard a lot about Win8 the last few months but never tried it. Is it any good or merely a rehash of Win7 for the tablet?
Also does it have any important change under the hood (like for example win7 adding pure SSD support, DX11, etc)? Because from what I can tell 'till now it's mostly Microsoft riding the mobile hype train which should be irrelevant to us desktop users...
Whats the rough installed size for the x64 build? Just curious if they've leaned things out at all.
OK, installation complete. It was quick, less than 15 min, i'd say 10.
Freshly installed, windows directory size is 10.6 Gb
Vista eventually got enough fixes and rock solid stability that made XP a very flaky OS in comparison. Windows 8 looks screwed beyond any redemption, once again some short sighted moron disregarded the fact that people who do real work on their computers don't want their screens covered in greasy fingerprints.Quote:
Originally Posted by 3lfk1ng
I don't touch my screen... it is 2 monitors, actually: usual 24" monitor, and another one 22".Quote:
Originally Posted by Dainas
You are not required to ditch you mouse ;)
Moreover, nobody forces you to use metro. I see it only when i need something there... I use very regular desktop:
Attachment 127288
So what's different? =/
-PB
+1. Good old predictable Microsoft though. They never fail with their one good one bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by itznfb
Win95 good > Win98 bad > Win98SE good > Win ME bad > Win XP good > Vista bad > Win7 good > Win8 bad.
You would of thought people would of learned by now :p:
i like how people that believe in the on-off always forget w2k ;)
Looks kind of wrong...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ket
Win95 good > Win98 bad > Win98SE good > Win ME bad > Win XP average(slow but stable compared to ME) > Vista good(Compared to XP) > Win7 good (Pretty similar to Vista but ligher) > Win8 good(Similar to Win 7 but has several nice improvements in desktop mode).
It is more informative, for example: copy or delete progress dialogs and so on;
Provides more controls everywhere starting from task manager and more when going in depth.
But what i like - it feels even lighter than Win 7.
LOL! what?Quote:
Originally Posted by SEA
each to there own though I guess :|
Biggest Microsoft FAIL since . . .
MICROSOFT BOB
ME simply being labeled "bad" isn't accurate. More like 98SE good > ME HORRIBLE > XP good lol
i just updated then went to clearmgr and delted all the crap that left from update and amazing its very fast and stable
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by generic user #2
-pb
I think the word "stable" can be applied to any version of windows starting from Vista SP1, so it does not describe any difference anymore...Quote:
Originally Posted by andressergio
And therefore kind of obsolete and can be still used in context of old windows versions.
Vista is first completely stable windows version.Quote:
Originally Posted by mAJORD
Right !Quote:
Originally Posted by Generic user #2
That was a great OS :up:
also everyone seems to forget NT :p for those who has use for it that is...Quote:
Originally Posted by paulbagz
for me win 3.11 was the tits, it was as simple and buggy as a cold virus.
Win2k and NT weren't home operating systems.
I used NT (3.1, 3.5.1, and 4) and 2k at home. They were more productivity oriented but, 3d capabilities in NT set aside, were perfectly fine for a power user at home. 2k pro was leaps and bounds ahead of ME at the time. Tons of people used it for home PCs.Quote:
Originally Posted by itznfb
--Matt
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by mattkosem
I used 2000 on my computer @ boarding school.
-PB
Used 2K Pro long time here
Ditto
I agree on most that has been said here, with a few remarks:
- Vista was AWESOME compared to XP. It was such a leap forward in stability and UI. It had one and only one problem: speed. You needed a very good PC to run it smoothly, forget laptops, so 90+% of people thought it was crap for a good reason. But if you had a powerful computer, Vista was the OS to get without a doubt.
- 7 is just Vista with very minor tweaks, mostly speed tweaks. But these tweaks are the key to bring the whole Vista experience to not so powerful computers and laptops, and so you have the Win7 situation today: almost everyone likes it.
- Win8 is a very good OS too: fast and stable. There is only one big problem with it: Metro and the UI in general. There are no words to describe that crap: it's fugly and absolutely non functional with KB+mouse. I hope it fails hard on the market, like Windows Phone.
One thing is certain though: explorer.exe gets worse and worse with each new OS, Metro being the last :banana::banana::banana::banana:
EDIT: It's old, but this blog at MSDN is just awesome: how to fail hard at designing a user interface. It's almost a year old, but since we now know how Win8 is, it's twice the fun:
http://blogs.msdn.com/cfs-file.ashx/...5F00_thumb.png
http://blogs.msdn.com/cfs-file.ashx/...5F00_thumb.png
Microsoft knows what the problems are, but their solutions are completely off.
At start, without SP1 and patches, Vista was a total turd. Don't search too long why XP support has been extended several times, IT didn't want Vista, simply.Quote:
Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR
I'll skip until they do a proper desktop edition
Agreed. XP was alright and became fantastic since SP1.Quote:
Originally Posted by mAJORD
I prefer classic start menu
A lot of people used it at home but it shouldn't be included in the same type of release cycle. XP and 2K existed along side each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by mattkosem
Quote:
Originally Posted by SubZero.it
It is proper desktop edition, actually desktop is same as in win7, the only difference is a different start menu, the one that is metro. But i pin all programs that i use to taskbar. So I almost never see the metro. On the other hand, it is pretty easy to use - Instead of left-clicking orb and typing what you need, you right-click the corner where that start button was, and do the same - type what you need.Quote:
Originally Posted by PatRaceTin
So start menu can look different bu you click and press same key and get exactly the same.
That's why I don't care how start menu looks.
If you need you can always add it with small progs like ViStart, Start8 and Classic Shell.
But why? task bar is long, you can pin not only all your favorite progs and forders, but particular documents. Classic windows menu so far behind.... Resembles shabby Win XP...
P.S. Performance wise, look here:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...e-in-Windows-8
Not sure if it proper comparison though
lol, ok.....
Metro is an UI design rule set not a theme/function. The new Start screen in Win8 is an App layer. Win7 and Win versions before it where only designed for Programs. Win8 comes with support for Apps and Programs. Star Screen is the environment for Apps and Desktop is the environment for Programs. They both are independent of each other and both can function without each other. The old short cut/command based start menu has been replaced by something bigger and more functional. Most people that use a Windows today don't touch the start menu until they call tech support. As more experienced users you will never have been the target market for the new Start screen in Win8. For you MS has redone the old Desktop UI and removed Aero which most of you would have disabled to improve performance. Instead of focusing on the part of the Windows which you wont be using why don't you focus on the part you will be.
Metro as an UI rule set was developed for Apps and Touch screens. Metro design is focused on displaying you information in as clear way as possible. Allowing your eyes to quickly read the screen. For this reason colours, functions and layout are kept as simple as possible. Simple, quick, easy to read, get in and get out, touch friendly. For what it is designed for it works very well. As long as you take 5 seconds and try and learn how to use Metro UI you will never want anything else for Apps.
Desktop UI was developed for Programs and for use with a keyboard and mouse. Desktop design is focused on displaying functions not information. Desktop is just a sand box for programs to run in. Each programs that runs in it can use which ever of the UI designs it wants to. Menus, tabs, lists and etc are all supported and developed for an UI that is to be used with a keyboard and mouse. This means a mouse pointer and shortcuts and for such interaction you do not need anything else.
This is why i love Win8. MS has expanded OS from just being based around Programs to offering the most optimized environments for both Apps and Programs. If you look at Start screen as invasion of your Program environment you will always hate it. However if you try and understand what the Start screen is designed for and what it brings to Windows you will find that there is actually no reason to hate it all. As it has been said many times, Start screen does not replace Desktop it only replaces the Start menu. I am sure that everyone here can appreciate the massive new functionality we have now with the Start screen compared to the Start menu.
Let me say it again. It is not Metro replacing Desktop. It is Start Menu expanding into Start Screen. A very small compromise for the massive extras new Start Screen brings. As my close i would like to say that my finance who is your typical mainstream PC/iPad user loves and gets the Start Screen. Don't be scared, your knowledge of the Desktop environment will be still very much in use with Win8.
^^ interesting perspective thanks for posting. I will probably give win8 a try when I get my Ivy rig up and running.
XP replaced 2k. 2k and ME had some overlap but 2k was clearly better than it and was more widely adopted by power users.Quote:
Originally Posted by itznfb
XP marked the end of the separate home/business OS strategy that MS had been using since NT was released (or, arguably, WFW). That isn't, however, to say that the business OSs weren't still commonly used at home. 2k, in the professional trim at least, was a supported upgrade path from 2k as well as 98/ME. 2k, in turn, was also a supported upgrade path from 95/98. There was a lot of overlap in those days because 9x/ME sucked so badly.
--Matt
VERY well said Syn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn.
I'm actually a bit frustrated by the many negative comments about the OS simply because it seems people aren't understanding what the intent is, and therefore won't use it "properly". Ever since the first preview video I saw I thought that the majority of the average mainstream non-techie users would like it. Simple fast access to information in a new UI-style that is becoming "standard" across devices, from smartphones through tablets and now to computers. And then power users like me the desktop environment is still there for production software (audio/video etc).
I'm liking what I've seen so far....
im runing all except CRYSIS2 dang...i re installed it deleted profile and it shows the game on a laarrrge windows and thin :(
im using 301.42 installed as a charm
If you check the size of the Windows folder you get the hard links as well, the size is probably closer to 7 GB.Quote:
Originally Posted by SEA
The winsxs folder in W7 64-bit is about 1.1 GB, but when you check the size in Explorer it says 5.5 GB, thanks to all hard links.
Hard Drive usage is the only way to check the actual size.
Excellent post, and I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn.
i have been a long time smart phone user, and i like active desktop and use gadgets, but this metro change is going to far. it takes what is wrong with devices now and pushes it even more that direction. they are even moving this to server and i do not get that at all. i could see having the normal windows UI then putting metro in the center of the desktop, but this change is something that i will not go with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn.
i also do not get why they made everything that terrible white, is there no one at MS who knows how to streamline a UI anymore.
i liked vista from launch, all of my hardware had good drivers and i had alot of ram when it launched. the main people i see who did not like it, did not want to upgrade to anything and were hold outs like 2k users in the xp days, or people who had bad hardware or drivers that never showed how bad they were until they did something other than display text.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
I tried out the preview today. Frankly I was both impressed and extremely frustrated at the same time. A lot of the new metro UI makes perfect sense - if and only if you have a touchscreen. Maneuvering around with a mouse was just a pain in the ass. I did like how it automatically converted between metro and desktop modes depending on whether you were running an app or a program, but at the same time I did find myself missing the start menu (in particular my computer)
I got the iso yesterday but haven't burned and installed it yet (let a buddy borrow my usb stick).
I do agree that it installs fast.
But I don't agree on the quick startup, it seems like a bit slower startup to me.
Just that it takes 100% of it's startup time exe'ing the boot manager, at which point the os is already fully loaded up.
Also, this essentially double's/triples startup times for win7 if you have it installed to the side, 'cause 1st you must startup win8, then it restarts the pc into win7.
WinME lol...
Everyone hates that os except me.
I liked it.
Yeah it had a 1 major issue.
If you del'ed all the defaults under the 2 run key's, HKCU/HKLM, then 100% of the probs went away.
It was such a simple tweak too.
I liked it because it was slightly more up to date then 2k, also I did not like win98.
I used use win95 even though I had win98 at the time, once winme came out I switched to it.
It's wasn't quite as quick as win95, being that it took up more ram and such.
But it's hd speeds are leaps and bounds ahead, I think it was a program called neoragex or something, in some sort of emu, the hd speed, loading and decompressing large roms was way quicker.
Plus it was much more up to date then win95, which at the time, was a pain in the butt to setup and update all the way at that time.
I never did get my hands on neptune, the very last win9x os, which was dumped 1/4 or 1/2 of the way through dev'ing it, and focus was made on xp.
I may switch back to win2k3.
If I can get dx11 working 100% in it, I will switch back.
Apparently the xp patch for that has been worked on lots since the original back in the day.
The idea is this, if dx11 can be ported 100%, then all I would need doing is to redo the taskbar to show a small preview screen of the task when hovering over it, via ahk script :).
Btw, win7 uses not dx10/11 for it's dwm, but dx9 lol, not sure about win8 though, never checked it.
Anyways I'm gonna install win8 rp either tonight or tomorrow and see if the speed has improved or not.
i installed from scratch as the update sucks really dont update !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by NEOAethyr
from scratch its awesome fast and only known issues for now is CRYSIS2 not working with DX11 and 3Dm11
all games i tested run perfect even those heavy on DX11 like BF3, MOH, BAC etc
cheers to all
btw i cant get use not to have a start button :/
I thought Aero was removed (the translucent title bars, etc)?Quote:
Originally Posted by SEA
Nah, aero is still there.Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] Oj101
In the Cp ver, the previous public build, that's all I know of right now...
That had aero and basic themes, but no classic themes, no way for the user to disable aero (still possible though, I think).
Even if you stop the dwm service, it'll auto restart it's self.
I don't believe there's a uxsms service anymore, I could be wrong, I'm typing this out on win7...
One very interesting this though about win8, and something that I liked.
Is that you can outright get rid or disable the theme service and still have the themes and aero working perfectly fine.
That may of changed by now or may change.
Anyways win8 has a slightly pimped out theme compared to win7.
For example, the titles are centered instead of being on the left.
One other ui inprovement, other then the small misc things is the new copy file manager.
Which is very nice btw.
Win8 is essentually win7, with a few theme tweaks, and no start button (good for some, bad for others).
A new copy file manager...
With a crappy html interface laid on top of it called metro lol...
AND a really crappy bootmgr (there was sh@t out over 10 years ago that was both smaller, quicker and prettier then this..., boot magic I think, even x11 baised boot mgr's would look better but would probably be just as slow to get up and running).
I really wanted to switch to win8 after i got done tweaking the cp ver, but 1000us of latency when my win7 avg's around 80us, and 4k less in copy bandwith in aida well...
Then I tried to run a game, sf x tekken, that game runs great on my win7, it's such a low end game i guess you could say it runs way up in the fps.
But in win8, it was so freaking slow I got to the title screen but couldn't sit there long enough for the char select screen without going nuts.
Some games don't wanna run on win8 btw.
But if you crack them they tend to work anyways ^^.
Had to do that with sf x tekken, didn't need a emu for xlive or whatever it's called in win7, but win8 I had to emu that to get it to run the game.
I don't even know where I found the emu lol, I hate xlive and steam, bleh.
I gotta get going :), latez gaterz
This is what I was talking about http://www.extremetech.com/computing...nd-cheesy-aero Well I'm glad it stays, the pictures in the article look far too Mac for my liking :)
just want to report this
_IQ is much better than W7
_its faster
_i like very much options on menu of explorer
-most things seem to work
-faster to install
but
-games some run some not, DX11 an issue
-data CRC check on ISO images...
-CRYSIS2 dont work nor MAX PAYNE 3
-metro interface still dunno to what it leads
i did this on same RAID of intel SSD 520, first fresh install of W8x64 release preview then W7x64 SP1, i would love to stay on W8 but not until drivers are made for it
hope it helps
Sergio
I had windows 8 installed since yesterday..my take is....How to take the convenience of navigating a desktop computer and make it as annoying as navigating an iphone. The power button for restarting, what idiot thought of that placement. The humongous start menu is a giant advertisement for microsoft complete with apps store, windows live, and wants you to sign up with email, your phone number, your birthdate all so you can visit their store.
As for 8 being faster, I had timed installation of 2 programs when measuring SSD performance, and got same time within measurement error of windows 7 to 8. 8 doesnt boot any faster than 7 either.
One feature I like about 8 is even after you turn off the idiotic user control crap, it still wont let you run any new program with some huge screen popping and getting in your way...maybe downsize that stupid thing about 20x.
Windows 8 is like a crappy port from an iphone. Its kind of like playing resident evil on a PC.
Im thinking microsoft needs to hire tens of thousands to go espouse its brilliance to masses and pray, otherwise just cant see this thing going anywhere. Either that or improve the port job from the iphone.
I like from Windows 8, im not using metro at all but never realized that i dont actually need start menu button, ui is more cleaner and important and advanced features are bit more easelly accessable compared to Windows 7 with its startmenu.
Windows 8 is also bit faster than Windows 7 at least for me but there are some critical bugs, with SandForce SSD's and nVidia graphics cards it will hang and eventually crash about every 10min - 4hours when there is no problems same time in Windows 7 at all.
There are also some copatibility problems with Windows 8 and some applications.
I havent used metro ui and will not use it, i refuce to use features that are ment for touch screen devices.
I will stay out of Windows 8 untill stability and copatibiltiy problems are fixed and new drivers have appeared.
Machine im testing Windows 8 with is i7 3770k, Maximus IV Extreme-Z, 16Gb of DDR3-2133 and GTX580.
There is still kind of start button, go bottom left corner of the screen and small square box appears, right (right mouse button) click on it and small menu appears where you can choose where to go in windows.Quote:
Originally Posted by andressergio
It's still there, but invisible.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by andressergio
Dunno if I'm pointing out the obvious, but it just gives you more options.Quote:
Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR
- Explorer, W7 style.
- Explorer with QAT in title bar.
- Explorer with QAT under menu bar.
- Explorer with Ribbon.
Since the Ribbon and QAT can be hidden, how's that a problem?
ANY function in the Ribbon can be added to the QAT, and the QAT can still be in the title bar, I think it's great.
not only invisible, but no power button. To get the power button, you have to go to right corner, scroll up, wait for side bar to pop out, hit settings, then you can see the power button.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mats
I am thinking windows 8 is microsoft programmers that dont own a desktop, being passive aggressive towards those that do.
I can understand changing an efficient start menu from windows 7 into several hidden places in 2 corners with the main programs now expanded to take up the entire screen, along with microsoft advertisement programs and store apps, when working with a 3 to 10 inch touch screen. But just in past it made sense to make a business windows and personal windows, and now that has correctly merged, it is time for microsoft to make a tablet/iphone windows and a desktop one that efficiently takes advantage of desktops greater real estate. I dont need 2 inch by 2 inch start programs, though I can see my 3 year old niece liking it.
Bottom line, if tablet pcs, mobile devices, and iphones did not exist, there is ZERO chance microsoft would have designed windows 8 for such, they would have designed it for a desktop.
1 - Make a shortcut: http://www.ehow.com/how_2383727_make...t-windows.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by rge
2 - Right click, add to Start.
3 - Done!
(Also, Alt F4 works)
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(No I don't use Bliss otherwise :D)
Yeah, but I've realized how rarely I use the Start menu, especially since W7.Quote:
Originally Posted by rge
But if it was possible to make it as small as in "Show all apps" it would be an improvement:
http://blogs.msdn.com/cfs-filesystem...0_2D8D1CC2.png
Ok lets go with this Start Button thing.
I had Win 8 installed on a test rig for a short period but had to move on to builds.
So you just installed a new program, where does it show up now so that you can launch it ?
Are you forced to use a desktop shortcut or does it appear some place else ?
I know basic noob question on Win 8 here, wish I had the test rig setup so I could mess with it.
I think probably that article is wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] Oj101
Pretty sure you can still enable transparency and everything from the display cpl like in win7, you could in the consumer preview.
Edit:
You'll have to make your own menu of some sorts, at a min a folder on the desktop with your fav programs organized in it.
Like I said before, I use the quick launch (tip, make a folder in quick lauch as the main start button along side showdesktop shortcut, press and hold ctrl button while left clicking on the folder in the quick launch will make an expandable menu that pops out like an old school classic winxp start menu, just one issue, can't sort the files but it's still better then win7/win8's ver of a menu).
You could replace the location in the registry where the "programs" folder is.
Or you can point your quick launch to that folder instead like I do.
Make a new folder on your desktop called:
Programs.{7BE9D83C-A729-4D97-B5A7-1B7313C39E0A}
Move it where you want, it's you're new programs menu ;).
That's one step for you guys :).
(You'll have to do one peice of reg work to hide that extention though... you'll understand once you try it)
I think MS wants us to use the taskbar more, put your most used programs there, especially if you don't like Metro very much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buckeye
I'd put rarely used programs in Start.
Use right click for both actions. If you don't have a shortcut you can use search in Start (click lower left corner and start typing, just like in W7) or Explorer, or look in Program Files.
I use Start for things like MicroSoft Office (and others), to many things to pin to the task bar so if I need something I do not use very often I just drill through the Start Button list.
But often I use a folder on my desktop called... I know wait for it... Short Cuts LOL. I dump a lot of ones I hardly use there. Keeps my desktop clean I guess.
Put that folder in a toolbar instead, so you don't have to clear the desktop to open it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buckeye
I think search is great for those rarely used ones, well at least when I remember the name...:D
i have locks all day with it and i mad because i love the IQ of it, i think it must be some driver as no drivers for anything yet
i use a pro audio card RME multiface and only drivers for 7x64
NVIDIA promised this week to release 302. drivers
BF3 has problems with IE10
CRYSIS2 dont work at all
MAX PAYNE 3 wont run, tried all
and so other stuff that locks
im sad as i luv the way it is very fast
guess i have to wait
Or just press Win+IQuote:
Originally Posted by rge
Wife and I both waited to buy tablets for windows 8, will be xmas gifts this year, wife is looking forward to being able to sit outside and effectively navigate without a mouse. No question for mobile computers, windows 8 is going to be a major improvement with touch screen, and certainly better than scrolling on a laptop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mats
But putting it on desktops, I just dont see the point. You may not use start menu much, but fact that 8 had it put there by others, suggests many still do including myself. Especially if have other things on desktop I dont want to shrink or move around. But for 8 to make it to desktop in masses, imo they will need to allow massive customization unlike version I just tried, like show all apps I agree that is an improvement, and have windows start in whatever customizable mode one desires.
I dont think the more clicks to get what you need will fly on a desktop, and Im not remembering/using one shortcut, let alone several.... whole point of a desktop is more comfort/convenience/everything handy at 1 click and visible. And as for touch screen, I am not moving from my comfortable position to reach up and touch the screen once, let alone over and over, so not flying on mine. Now with my tablet laying in bed, watching tv at same time, thats a different story.
The metro start menu is fully customable, you can pun/unpin any app to/from start menu. Just right click on app item in metro (in both start and all apps screens) and you'll get menu bar on bottom.
Also you can move these tiles around in metro.
Or, start typing whatever you need - it will search for you.
dosnt crysis2 and max payne 3 both use root kits, i would bet that the cracked ones with no securom or rockstar network will workQuote:
Originally Posted by andressergio
thanks zanzabar but i wonder what on earth are those lockups i have im on a new W7x64 install from scratch as my image was too old and no problem all works as always...im sad cauz i really luv the speed and IQ of W8 :/ i can be IDLE all nite dowloading soon as i start the explorer or a codec some mins and freezes slowly mean, windows stop working then no mouse and then no CTRL ALT SUP and gone...Quote:
Originally Posted by zanzabar
thanks for your reply
Sergio
thanks after some work i did customize it like i wanted but the lockup problems made me mad and couldnt solve them :/Quote:
Originally Posted by rge
I went to install this on our test tablet at work today and my USB drive was dead. Hah, figures.
Best thing to do, take the Metro Start UI and just clip off all the useless junk and pin shortcuts to it that are useful.
I.e. normal Control Panel, CMD, Explorer etc.
Interesting that things like that far right hand sidebar with Settings etc doesn't take you straight to a normal Programs and Features, you have to uninstall things via the "Apps" sub-menu (which is a more full screen, unintuative layout of the older Start Menus "All Programs" area).
Same with Wi-Fi. I just want to view my status and connection speed but I can't do that easily without going back through N+SC->Adapter Settings->Status.
I feel that they should give people a choice with W8 @ final release; either all Metro UI or all "Classic" UI (aka Desktop/W7).
Atm its a hybrid of the two and it just feels clunky (from a Desktop point of view). With a touch screen Metro is great, its no different to using my W7 Phone (clearly the source of inspiration).
Metro to me is designed to be able to soley use a computer fully in just that mode, hence my reasoning they should give you the option to choose one or the other and not really both.
Still yet to play with it more but that's just my 2c as it stands from an hour or so mucking around.
-PB