Swiftech to release heatsinks for GeForce GTX560-TI

Hi guys,

This is a quick preview of our upcoming heatsink for the GTX560-TI

http://www.swiftech.com/images/Produ...0-TI-HSF-1.png


http://www.swiftech.com/images/Produ...0-TI-HSF-2.png

The heatsink has mounting holes (screws included) for an optional 80x15mm fan.


The Heatsiknk features:
- pre-installed thermal pads for the memory, and hard/mount (grease) for the VR's.
- thru openings in the VR areas allowing air-flow to circulate under the sink.
- compatiblity with MC60 and MCW80.

ETA: 3~4 Weeks

Additonal comments (exclusive XS for a few days):

We are also working on heatsinks for the GTX570 and 580 :-)

nice!

I just noticed these a few hours ago on the new ST site. Nice indeed, too bad I'm too much of a cheap arse to buy a card that expensive. :(

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I just noticed these a few hours ago on the new ST site. Nice indeed, too bad I'm too much of a cheap arse to buy a card that expensive. :(

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Looking at Newegg, the 560-ti seems to be quiter popular (based on number of reviews). Right behind the 570 and well ahead fo the 580.

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Originally Posted by gabe

We are also working on heatsinks for the GTX570 and 580 :-)

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:clap::clap::yepp::clap::clap:

Awesome!:D

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Originally Posted by gabe

Looking at Newegg, the 560-ti seems to be quiter popular (based on number of reviews). Right behind the 570 and well ahead fo the 580.

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Oh, they're very nice bang for the buck cards...I'm not doubting that. I just can't bring myself to pay that much...for any card. About a year ago, I was in desperate need of a new GFX card and went to Bestbuy (only store in area that carries newer parts), they had a couple of different models from Galaxy that would have suited my needs just fine but I felt the need to splurge a little. My idea of "splurge" was a $150 GTS250, I still feel like I should have my head examined for spending that much. :nuts: Aside from that 1 exception, all of the other cards I have bought are under $100, and most are in the $50-$75 range.

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Looking at Newegg, the 560-ti seems to be quiter popular (based on number of reviews). Right behind the 570 and well ahead fo the 580.

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considering that they are quicker than the 570 overclock v overclock and dont die like the 570, i dont see why the 560 dose not get FC blocks

WL: you don't game or your display sucks regarding it's max resolution :)
All that gaming crap looks MUCH nicer if you can run it at acceptable frame rates at fullhd or even higher resolutions. Imho it's worth to pay for what middle end cards like 560/6870 provide. It's harder to justify purchase of overpriced top/end regarding price/performancy, but middle end imho is worth every penny.

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WL: you don't game or your display sucks regarding it's max resolution :)
All that gaming crap looks MUCH nicer if you can run it at acceptable frame rates at fullhd or even higher resolutions. Imho it's worth to pay for what middle end cards like 560/6870 provide. It's harder to justify purchase of overpriced top/end regarding price/performancy, but middle end imho is worth every penny.

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Well, the monitors I have are a Samsung LN32A550 (1920x1080) and a Acer X233H (1920x1080). The only computer I have running at them moment has the GTS250 in it and is running fine. Both monitors were also fine with the ECS 6600LE that was in before that. I did however change from a Windows system to a Linux system (Ubuntu 10.04, soon to be 10.10) since I started running the GTS250. As for gaming, never really liked "twitch" type games (though i do own a couple worth having), also don't like any mmorpg games. Never really understood why the gfx had to be so life like...it's a game ffs. I prefer to think while gaming and have more puzzle solving/shooter, rts, Mecha, combat flight sims, and rts/fps hybrid (this one is 12yrs old now and relies on CPU power for most of what is drawn on-screen) type games than twitch types. Also, if a game doesn't have a single player mode, I don't buy it. Sadly, I haven't had the chance to do any real gaming for about 5-6 years now but I am working on fixing that. IDK, I guess my preferences boil down to the fact that I grew up in a different time, one where you actually had to leave the house and use quarters to go gaming.:eek:

Never knew you were so old school WL :p:.

Anyway, still in doubt whether I should get a 560 or a 570 ^^. I noticed there aren't many blocks out for the both of them. This should help a bit making that decision, thanks Gabe.

The Heatsink is being validated today - Production to start next week.

http://www.swiftech.com/images/Produ...TI-HSFX600.png

Doing pretty well under furmark too (at least for this very quick test.. more is needed ;-) 1050 core / 2100 shaders / 1100 memory - vcore 1150 mv

Setup: Usual MCR320-drive with Gentle Typhoons, Apogee XT R2 - 2600k @ 4.8Ghz - MCW82 + GTX560-TI-HSF + Sunon 80x15

http://www.swiftech.com/images/produ...82-furmark.png

First attempt at 3DM11 at 4,8 / 1045/1100

http://www.swiftech.com/images/produ...-hsf/3dm11.png

gabe: can you also test/validate in without fan mode to see if it's viable alternative?

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gabe: can you also test/validate in without fan mode to see if it's viable alternative?

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That's what I am doing right now.

However, please note this:

Running the heatsink without the fan is not an alternative, it is the default usage. If the fan was a necessity (necessity as in "if the product could NOT properly function without a fan"), then we would be obligated to sell it WITH a fan.

1. Even with extra voltage, and with existing system cooling, it appears that this cooling is sufficient to keep the VR temps in check. By system cooling I mean a mild Hard Drive cooler blowing in the direction of the graphics, or a side panel fan blowing in that direction, for example.
2. What about the OC without extra voltage? Based on silicon O/C rule that says that Frequency can be increased by 1.5~2% for every 10 Degree C drop in temps, and since we have about 40~50 Degree C Delta T between stock cooling temps and MCW82 cooling temps, we should be able to raise the GPU frequency by 8~10% on temperature alone (i.e. without extra voltage).
3. In order to get a higher O/C it is clear that extra voltage becomes necessary, resulting in increased power draw, higher vr temps, and that's when the optional fan would become useful in case of poor system ventilation.
4. One of the things we have in favor of this solution compared to stock cooling, is that we implement a direct contact between the VR's and the HS (as opposed to thermal pads). This results in greatly improved thermal conductivity and optimizes efficiency of our cooler. The same strategy is used in our liquid cooling solutions BTW. In theory this solution could appear as dangerous because it cannot account for the manufacturing tolerances (tolerance stack between cooler and component heights). In practice though, we believe that we have come up with a good design concept which based on all tests conducted to date produces an impeccable TIM joint between VR's and cooler. I will remark that the quality of the TIM is dependent on the board design (attachement points), so the quality of the TIM will vary from one board design to another, but it appears that board designers are paying better attention to this issue, and I am pleased to say that in the last 3 heatsinks we've designed, (we've tested HD 6950 and 6970, and now the GTX 560-TI so far, and the GTX580 is upcoming), we have observed a high quality TIM joint with VR's.


Test data:

To validate the above, I ran the test under Max OC and Max OV (1050 core frequency, 2200 Memory, vcore @ 1150 mv), assuming that if it passes under such circumstances, it will also easily pass under less OC/OV conditions:


Under furmark XTreme Burn, full screen, 1920x1080, without a fan on the heatsink, the test ran fully stable for 1 1/2 hour, which seems to be a fairly reasonable test duration.

PCB temp measured right behind the VR's averaged 65 Degrees C.

Given conduction losses, I may go out on a limb here, but I roughly estimate that this would put internal VR temp in the low 90's, which is well below the 120 C spec.

It is note-worthy to mention that installing the fan to the heatsink immediately dropped the PCB temp to 45C, a substantial 20C drop.

Given the test results with this particular board, I would certainly say that this cooling solution is fully usable without a fan, even under Max OC.

I would however warn users that we do use an open bench for testing. There could be up to 10C difference in ambient temperature inside of a case with poor ventilation. So whenever they use passive cooling on discrete components, they should always make sure that their case is otherwise well ventilated !

what is the price as i will need one for now.
also another test you might want to try is Heaven running in a loop, from what i understand furmark does not completely stress them because of the drivers now.

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Originally Posted by fearsjohn

what is the price as i will need one for now.
also another test you might want to try is Heaven running in a loop, from what i understand furmark does not completely stress them because of the drivers now.

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The product has not been released yet - ETA is 2 1/2 weeks.
MSRP has not been set yet, but we expect it to be in the low 30's.

thanks Gabe i figured around 29.99 or close to that. one other thing does it come with the bracket for the block since the 560 is not square, and just let me know when they are available so i can order 1.

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Originally Posted by fearsjohn

thanks Gabe i figured around 29.99 or close to that. one other thing does it come with the bracket for the block since the 560 is not square, and just let me know when they are available so i can order 1.

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No it does not come with the water-block bracket.

The MCW60/80/82 bracket for GeForce 460/560 series is available here

Availability: Please keep an eye on our web site announcements, we keep the news updated.

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what is the price as i will need one for now.
also another test you might want to try is Heaven running in a loop, from what i understand furmark does not completely stress them because of the drivers now.

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Thanks for the suggestion; Yes, Heavens 2.5 is indeed hotter at VR level by a 4.5C average. CPU temps remained 39~40. Looped for 30mn without issues at above noted settings.

560Ti is most non-ref

Wow hybrid cooling

it looks real nice, though it was a bit weird to see a fan on it.

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We are also working on heatsinks for the GTX570 and 580 :-)

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Gabe,

Why not just use the stock VRM/RAM heatsink plate that comes with the 570 / 580 ??? Everyone that buys MCW 80 knows this :ROTF:

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t...301294-1-1.jpg

Every person I've come across that uses their MCW80 with their 470 / 570 is smart enough to file down the 4 holes that prevent the copper base of the MCW80 from touching the GPU heatspreader. This allows them to use their stock VRM/RAM heatsink plate without having to fork out another $40-50 on a similar component the user already has...

I personally own a 570 and I took a dremel to the 4 holes on the stock VRM / RAM heatsink plate. I noticed that the stock cooler doesn't go into these threaded holes, and it's funny how nothing goes through them. It's as though Nvidia was testing prototype coolers for the card... that or there is some conspiracy with Swiftech just wanting more $$$ from their "universal GPU block".

Hell, the GTX 580 works perfect with the MCW80, no modification (filing/dremel) needed if you keep the stock VRM / RAM heatsink plate. Why you try and sell a component that a user doesn't need is beyond me :shrug:

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Originally Posted by RoscoP

Gabe,

Why not just use the stock VRM/RAM heatsink plate that comes with the 570 / 580 ??? Everyone that buys MCW 80 knows this :ROTF:

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that or there is some conspiracy with Swiftech just wanting more $$$ from their "universal GPU block".

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Why you try and sell a component that a user doesn't need is beyond me :shrug:

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Well if you're gonna look at it like that, why even bother getting a waterblock at all?

A user doesn't need that, look it comes with a heatsink and fan mounted straight from the factory!
/sarcasm

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Gabe,

Every person I've come across that uses their MCW80 with their 470 / 570 is smart enough to file down the 4 holes

..or there is some conspiracy with Swiftech just wanting more $$$ from their "universal GPU block".

..sell a component that a user doesn't need is beyond me :shrug:

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Not sure how to respond to this. Conspiracy eh? It looks lile you nailed us for good :shrug:

@ everyone else: based on the above remarks, I suppose we should stop production of the GTX 570/580 heatsinks, right ?

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Not sure how to respond to this. Conspiracy eh? It looks lile you nailed us for good :shrug:

@ everyone else: based on the above remarks, I suppose we should stop production of the GTX 570/580 heatsinks, right ?

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*sigh* ... let's not derail this thread based on RoscoP's comments about the conspiracy nonsense. It's laughable to say that Swiftech is trying to milk more money out of this whole process, when they are the primary ones who have provided universal GPU blocks for a long time now - the purpose being to give us a block that is not obsolete with every GPU upgrade.


I would like to know what the point was about filing the block/heatsinks, as I'm interested in getting one of these setups.

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*sigh* ... let's not derail this thread based on RoscoP's comments about the conspiracy nonsense. It's laughable to say that Swiftech is trying to milk more money out of this whole process, when they are the primary ones who have provided universal GPU blocks for a long time now - the purpose being to give us a block that is not obsolete with every GPU upgrade.


I would like to know what the point was about filing the block/heatsinks, as I'm interested in getting one of these setups.

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No worries Shazza, I took this - as you can tell, with a grain of salt ;)

Modding the stock plate: As far as I can recall, (was also true for the 480's) the stock BP has standoffs that interfere with the 80 BP. If you don't file'em, you can't make contact with the GPU. It's an easy mod since the BP is AL, easy to grind down with a dremel.

I haven't tested this mod TBH, so I have no reference, but in theory, because of our VR hard TIM design, our HSF should be able to provide better cooling to the VR's than stock.

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Not sure how to respond to this. Conspiracy eh? It looks lile you nailed us for good :shrug:

@ everyone else: based on the above remarks, I suppose we should stop production of the GTX 570/580 heatsinks, right ?

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Yeah, stop production of the GTX 570 / 580 heatsinks because you're too damn late... to simply answer your question.

I'm sorry I made my first post on XtremeSystems just to troll but I'm sorry I won't give up on my point.

Gabe, the 580 and 570 cards became available around early December. That means you're going to be over 4 months late in bringing a heatsink to customers to use their MCW80 with their 570 / 580. By now people are enjoying their EK or Koolance full cover blocks on their new GPUs.

A lot of enthusiasts upgrade as soon as new parts are available, specifically GPUs. You would have sold more of these "unisink" heatsinks for use with the MCW80 if you would release them shortly after the time the cards are available... not over 4 months later.

Gabe, the reason I am calling you out is because I went to your support forums at Swiftech's website for an easy question and got zero help or response. I visited your support forum to ask if the there will be a kit released allowing you to use the MCW80 with the 570 / 580. I got no response on your forum and no response from Michelle over the phone.

I do use and enjoy your products but I'm convinced that you give no support on your products, via your "support" forum or via phone.

Hi

I actually own a GTX 480. I used an MCW80 on it with the Stock VRM/PWM/RAM heatsink and did not have to file anything.

http://i309.photobucket.com/albums/k...0_223247-1.jpg
http://i309.photobucket.com/albums/k...0_223436-1.jpg

This setup worked perfect for me for ~6 months. I used a temperature probe to monitor a couple places around the power circuitry to see if there was a noticeable difference in temperatures when comparing:

1. Stock Cooler w/ Auto Fan
2. Stock Cooler w/ MSI Afterburner Fan Profile
3. MCW80 w/ Fan set to 30% in MSI Afterburner
4. All of the above w/ Stock Clocks and 850/2000 OC

http://i309.photobucket.com/albums/k...0_223339-1.jpg
http://i309.photobucket.com/albums/k...0_223414-1.jpg

From my measurements, there was at most a ~2-3C increase in temperature in that area when comparing item #1 @ Stock Clocks (Vanilla) and item #3 @ OC.

I know that a GTX 480 Stock VRM/PWM/RAM heatsink does not need to be filed at all to fit the MCW80. The GTX 580 does not either.

Both the GTX 470 and GTX 570 need to be filed by removing the Stock VRM/PWM/RAM heatsink and filing the bosses that are situated closest to the GPU's IHS.

I know because I filed 3 of the 4 on RoscoP's GTX 570 VRM/PWM/RAM heatsink myself. Used a dremel with a cut-off wheel and it took about 15 minutes.

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I'm sorry I made my first post on XtremeSystems just to troll but I'm sorry I won't give up on my point.

Gabe, the 580 and 570 cards landed back around early December. That means you're going to be over 4 months late in bringing a heatsink to customers to use their MCW80 with their 570 / 580. By now people are enjoying their EK or Koolance full cover blocks on their new GPUs.

A lot of enthusiasts upgrade as soon as new parts are available, specifically GPUs. You would have sold more of these "unisink" heatsinks for use with the MCW80 if you would release them shortly after the time the cards are available... not over 4 months later.

Gabe, the reason I am calling you out is because I went to your support forums at Swiftech's website for an easy question and got zero help or response. I visited your support forum to ask if the there will be a kit released allowing you to use the MCW80 with the 570 / 580. I got no response on your forum and no response from Michelle over the phone.

I do use and enjoy your products but I'm convinced that you give no support on your products, via your "support" forum or via phone.

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It's another option and ya never want to reduce your options. If people want it they will buy if not they won't, no harm done.

I like your new product Mr. Swiftech. :up:

RoscoP - please take any further issues you have with Swiftech to Gabe via PM. "Calling someone out" in your first two posts is not a good start here.

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Yeah, stop production of the GTX 570 / 580 heatsinks because you're too damn late... to simply answer your question.

I'm sorry I made my first post on XtremeSystems just to troll but I'm sorry I won't give up on my point.

Gabe, the 580 and 570 cards became available around early December. That means you're going to be over 4 months late in bringing a heatsink to customers to use their MCW80 with their 570 / 580. By now people are enjoying their EK or Koolance full cover blocks on their new GPUs.

A lot of enthusiasts upgrade as soon as new parts are available, specifically GPUs. You would have sold more of these "unisink" heatsinks for use with the MCW80 if you would release them shortly after the time the cards are available... not over 4 months later.

Gabe, the reason I am calling you out is because I went to your support forums at Swiftech's website for an easy question and got zero help or response. I visited your support forum to ask if the there will be a kit released allowing you to use the MCW80 with the 570 / 580. I got no response on your forum and no response from Michelle over the phone.

I do use and enjoy your products but I'm convinced that you give no support on your products, via your "support" forum or via phone.

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FWIW, I can vouch for RoscoP that he uses Swiftech products:

1. MCR-320-QP
2. MCR-220-QP w/ built in Reservoir
3. 2x MCW80's
4. Apogee XT
5. MCP-655
6. Swiftech Filport

I know because when I recently stopped using liquid cooling, RoscoP bought all of it. The MCR-320, Apogee XT, and MCW80.

I think that RoscoP is just wondering how it is possible for you to prototype a Unisink for a GTX 560 Ti before the GTX 570; you yourself stated that the GTX 570 was a more popular graphics card.

It is true that the GTX 570 has been out for ~4 months.

Also, today we have at our disposal:

1. Gigahertz Processors
2. Fiber Internet
3. Decision Support Systems
4. AUTOCAD
5. Various other planning software packages

So, who's marketing decision was it to:

1. Give the GTX 560 Ti priority over the GTX 570/580 when designing a Unisink?
2. Do nothing for the GTX 570/580 for ~4 months?

RoscoP and myself both go to school fulltime, and RoscoP works part time.

I have a family that includes a wife who is permanently disabled with Multiple Sclerosis, and a 15 year old son. I am the "Head of Household" for just about every decision in our family.

Can you see how this is appalling for RoscoP and myself when it is not our job to market for Swiftech? We do not have the tools you have to handle this task; yet, with our schedules we have been able to do a lot of testing in our "labs" here at home, in our spare time.

I think that about sums it up.

EDIT: I still like your products, I have always enjoyed them, and I am not making a personal jab at you, Gabe. I just wanted to clarify how I feel.

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Both the GTX 470 and GTX 570 need to be filed by removing the Stock VRM/PWM/RAM heatsink and filing the bosses that are situated closest to the GPU's IHS.

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right... I remember now, it's the 470/570 that needs modding, not the 480/580.

thanks for the clarification !

late release: I've explained in other posts (and expressed sincere apologies) practical reasons why heatsinks were delayed.

@RoscoP - our forums, Michelle etc..: out of topic.

maybe gage did not want to make a unisink for the 570 or 580. it is his right to make that decision. not to mention i just bought my 560 and i am sure there are people out there still buying 570s and 580s. it is not like all the cards are sold at once when they are released.

honestly who gives a damn when he decides to make a product it is his call. like said above its not like you have to go water. it comes with a heatsink and fan and you can use it that way. nobody is forcing you to buy the unisink.

Okay ... maybe I can be clearer here. This thread is about the 560i heatsink. It's not about Swiftech's marketing decisions. Both RoscoP and cesthree have made their points. No one has questioned the technical validity of the info RoscoP or cesthree have presented, so there is no need to vouch for anyone. If anyone, including RoscoP or cesthree has further questions on what I'm trying to say here - please send my a PM. Let's let the thread get back on topic.

Thank you!

I'm sorry shazza, but.. this is all that should be said about that.. There is no reason to post in a 560 Ti thread that he is releasing 570/580 block, as it has it's own post. and you weren't the only one emailing and hoping for a unisink for these cards. he has no obligation to you to tell you if he is or is not going to come out with a product and I think one waterblock for a card already is pretty good hydrocopper!


on topic, stop looking at the fan! every single swiftech unisink comes with a mount for a fan, since the dawn of ti...er swiftech uni's at least.
it's there because not everyone watercools!! you can put a universal air cooler on the gpu core, and the heatsink if you want!!!

is it possible or optional to mount a 80x25 fan instead of the 80x15 fan for this heatsink?

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is it possible or optional to mount a 80x25 fan instead of the 80x15 fan for this heatsink?

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u can get rad screws for swiftech and i would bet that they would work, or cut the screws so they are the length to have them only cover the bottom dog ear.

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is it possible or optional to mount a 80x25 fan instead of the 80x15 fan for this heatsink?

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Yes any 80 will work. You just have to use the right screws.

any updates on this i am still waiting

Will it support 120mm fan?!

gabe any updates on when these will be ready

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Will it support 120mm fan?!

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if you get an 80 to 120 adapter and the right screws, it probably will.

I've got Swiftech all over my builds now and have had many of them in the past.

Question now is: I have the eVGA SC GTX 560Ti 1GB which I THOUGHT was reference (now not sure). Regardless I am assuming, Gabe, that these Unisinks in production are for the Reference PCBs ONLY no?

How DO you tell if you have a reference Board or not?

Thanks in advance...

don't take my word for it, but it most likely is. even though the TI is non-reference... if you get what I mean.

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I've got Swiftech all over my builds now and have had many of them in the past.

Question now is: I have the eVGA SC GTX 560Ti 1GB which I THOUGHT was reference (now not sure). Regardless I am assuming, Gabe, that these Unisinks in production are for the Reference PCBs ONLY no?

How DO you tell if you have a reference Board or not?

Thanks in advance...

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take a pic of the bare PCB, then we look at it and compare. it's the only way.

any news on this release.

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any news on this release.

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It's shipping to me on Monday. I'll release mid/end next week.

im surprised these are not out yet. i thought 3-4 weeks not 8 weeks if i would have known that i would have went with something else. end of the week and still nothing. (Sigh)

560 Ti HS is here released 6/7 w/compatibility list of the current Ti Cards.

Check it out