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I just bought this board on newegg, however throught the "WEB" I cant seem to find any reviews on it....:shrug: Anyone here have experience with this board? I havent had an MSI board since the NF4 SLi days, but im hoping I like it! It seems MSI has REALLLLLLLY come a long way!
I have the 890FXA and i love it, very easy overclocking, the oc dial is a pretty cool feature. But the layout of the board is just awesome. You will love it.
coo, thanks... I cant understand why there are no reviews of it on the internet anywhere... strange
That isn't the only AMD based motherboard that doesn't have any reviews... they were all too busy playing with intel boards I guess. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by newls1
Either that, or nobody bothered to request a sample board ?
Because it's new. The GD70 is what most own.
IMO not much difference with GD70
Board uses 6pin PCI-E power plug. I wounder what that's for.
newls1: I guess you'll get to be the one to give us a first hand review... :D
The one thing I did notice in looking at the board is that it has 10 chokes in the power section, compared to the 5 on the GD70.
That would suggest to me that it has 8+2 power compared to the 4+1 on the GD70.
I actually like MSI but the weak power section on their boards have kept me away from them for a couple years.
Lots of folks like their GD70's and I was really tempted to buy one, but that was the one thing that scared me away (justified or not)...
Hope you'll post some results when you get the new board! :yepp:
:up:SO are you saying the GD65 actually has a better "Power" setup? also, if you look close near the CPU socket area / I think near the top of the PCIE 16x slot, it says "AM3+" ready........... HMMMMMM:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Daveburt714
But it aint AM3+ ready tho...
its some bull*t, because AM3+ is more PINs.Quote:
Originally Posted by newls1
First it was exploding caps, 1997-2004...then a period of recession followed by Dr.Mos and his happy passion for fire and explosions:
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1524927
Feel free to read all 11 pages, one guys GD70 caught his desk on fire. Were he not sitting there and left Prime run all night he would have woken up to his house burning down.
thats some scary info
the weird thing is my OC is hardly an increase, and im running some of the lowest voltages available AND when it died the PC was just idling
funny thing is, i kinda mentioned this could happen back before thuban came out, wondering if 50% more cores means 50% more power draw once people touch the voltages a little. yet it seemed to not be the case. so why does MSI seem to hate thuban?
Well, my Thuban at 4 Ghz / 3 Ghz CPUNB at 1.44v/1.35v is enough to make my board throttle the CPU due to PWM overheating...
Though this board took a 965BE @ 4.06 Ghz / 2.9 Ghz CPUNB at 1.62v/1.5v just fine.
I believe Thuban uses a touch more power than Deneb ;)
TDP does not equal power draw.
OK, I just did a fresh install of win7 64... blah, blah, blah.. Everything is updated to absolute newest drivers, etc.. After my last driver install (AMD 11.1a driver for my 6870) it says its running PCIE 8x mode... WTF!!!! There is no bios setting that I can see that has anything to do with this! And YES, It is installed in a PCIE x16 slot....
**EDIT**
This is driving me craZY! I guess Since the board is so new, and only 1 bios is out for it, that I just have to wait for MSI to release a BIOS fix for this???? Other then this issue, the board OC's nicely so far. Im @ 3.61GHz @ 1.375vcore, NB @ 2600MHz Auto NBv, HT @ 2008, ram @ DDR1741 @ 8/8/8/24 1t unganged
If you're watching 8x on gpu-z, produce some 3D load with furmark or anything at hand. Some cards idle at lower pci-e modes. Mine reverts to pci-E 1.1 16x on idle, and then back to 2.0 16x on load.Quote:
Originally Posted by newls1
negitive.... This graphics card was in my other build and it was 16x all the time.. I've never heard/seen any GPU kick back to 8x speed.... That is rediculous!
http://www2.ati.com/drivers/11-1_vis...7_32-64_sb.exe tried that one too? IIRC it also installs a NB filter driver, but it sound more like a mb issue. Try changing slots also just to be sure.
thanks brotha, I'll try that link now!!
**EDIT** That link didnt work?
I put in a support request @ MSI's site... Maybe 6 months from now someone might look into this issue!!
Damn, this reminds me of the Asus P5B-DLX days... anyone remember the PCIe issue with that board!
Sorry, didn't notice that direct links aren't allowed in there.Quote:
Originally Posted by newls1
http://sites.amd.com/us/game/downloa...downloads.aspx
Motherboard/Integrated Video Drivers>w7 x64>Optional Downloads>South Bridge Driver -> should take you to the above link
(imho this is completely out of hand for people who come looking for sb/raid/ahci drivers)
the SB controls the PCIe speed? And thank you for your quick replies man......
No, I just said that driver package also contains a NB Filter driver that you MIGHT be missing, even if the download only state SB package. Your other bets should be double checking bios options, trying other 16x slot or updating to last bios if there's any. Btw, what does your GPU-Z report on load?Quote:
Originally Posted by newls1
PCI-E 2.0 x16 @ x8 or
PCI-E 2.0 x16 @ 2.0 x8
Have you tried also to disable your NEC USB 3.0 or any other onboard devices that take space on the bus, just to check if it's eating PCI-E lanes on that particular slot due to a bios bug? (890FX should have plenty lanes to spare)
GPUz reports "PCI-E 2.0 x16 @ 2.0 x8" at all times... I have disabled all bios options that aren't needed. This board is so new, that there isnt any other BIOS out for it. I wonder if I could flash it to the GD70 version board bios???Quote:
Originally Posted by AlleyViper
Quote:
Originally Posted by newls1
Hi!
I just read your problem and wanted to check whether my new 6850 is running properly @16.
Started GPU-Z and had to realize that it was running @x4 - :eek:
I knew it was in the right (top) slot in my CHIV so I reinserted it and voila - back to 16x.
So maybe just try resitting yours, too. :up:
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Originally Posted by Albertini
OK, I'll try anything once (well most everything LOL)
ok, I removed it again, reinstalled it, and still @ 8x
Another update: I went back into BIOS and "LOADED OPTIMIZED DEFAULTS" left everything @ stock, and BAM! 16x... As soon as i increase the HTT (FSB) even 1 notch, it drops down to 8x. So in the end I found the issue, now just need MSI to fix it VIA a BIOS UPDATE... I have emailed them aswell
OK..... Certain FSB settings will give you 8x PCIe speed. 201-217 = 8x speed..... 260+ will give you 8x speed, Im @ 258FSB now and am @ 16x... So I found the issue, come on MSI, fix this crap.... Love the board though!
If it's directly related to fsb, could there be any spread spectrum modulation left enabled? Just double check to disable any spread spectrum setting you find and even C1E.
its all disabled bro.... it is clearly a BIOS BUG and MSI now knows about it......
Hi,Quote:
Originally Posted by newls1
it is probably too late to ask, but if you for whatever reason change the processor / thermal grease etc. in the near future, then can you please make a nice photo of the CPU socket ?
The question is, if it its really AM3+ or just AM3. MSI's picture on their website cleary shows an AM3 socket, but they also note that:
Alternatively maybe you can scan in the layout picture of the mainboard manual ? That is the one from the GD70:Quote:
The product picture may differ from the actual product. Only for your reference.
http://www.abload.de/img/7640_12emho.png
The GD65's manual is not yet available :(
Thanks a lot
Opteron
I looked at this closely upon installation. The SKT itself says "AM3" not AM3+... Really strange as the board reads AM3+ weird
http://www.msi.com/pic/product/five_...20102849_m.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by newls1
Hmmm....and if you read what this guy says ...
http://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?to...3820;topicseen
:shocked:Quote:
So I asked to speak to a senior tech support agent and this is what I asked him " I recently purchased the MSI 890FXA-GD65 AM3 AMD and under the chip set it says AM3+ CPU Support so does this mean it will support the upcoming Bulldozer CPU?" Senior techs response " Sir we will release a new BIOS update when the new Bulldozer CPU is released for this motherboard" my response " So this mobo is Bulldozer ready?" Techs response "Yes , once you update the new BIOS it will support the new AMD Bulldozer" my response " So the AM3+ on this mobo means its Bulldozer ready?" techs response "Yes sir that's what the AM3+ means"
lol
its not pin compatible, you will break a BD by sticking it into an AM3 board, unless that socket picture at newegg is wrong
Yes, unless there are no AM3 Bulldzoer chips. Rember that the first 45nm Phenoms 940/920 had still AM2+ pinouts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
However, nobody talked about this hypothetical AM3 Bulldozers so far.
Weired :(
@newls1:
Hm, ok but you didn't check the pinholes, did you ?
There is just one more maybe not easy to see. But well, let's believe, that there are no falsely labeled AM3b sockets.
im installing my new heatsink tomorrow, be happy to inspect the pin count for ya.. what exactly am I looking for? or just take a pic of it???Quote:
Originally Posted by Opteron146
No need to, the board shown on newegg and MSI's socket is missing a pin. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by newls1
http://i.imgur.com/iKPmP.png
http://i.imgur.com/r2G4z.jpg
Then what, they are reusing the new board with old parts ?Quote:
Originally Posted by BeepBeep2
Why else would there be "AM3+..." on the motherboard itself, and if they are doing that, that means that a simple socket change may make this board fully AM3+ compliant ?
I know, count the traces on the back of the board! :yepp: ;) :rofl:
Yes, but there is a slight chance, that this board was just a pre production sample.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeepBeep2
@newls1:
Make either a (good) photo of it, or look for that blue marked pinhole here, or both:
http://www.abload.de/img/gd65sm6o.png
The red circle shows the area, the blue spot is, where there should be a hole in the case of AM3+. AM3 has two "non-holes" there, AM3+ just one.
If there really are two, then it is definitely AM3 and not AM3+.
thanks a lot
Opteron
we have, and we were told there was no way to make it work on AM3 due to the additional features of AM3+ that were required.Quote:
Originally Posted by Opteron146
will do! I'm tearing it down after I type this.:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Opteron146
I just remember the telephone conference, where AMD talked about AM3+.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
They said that they needed some new electric stuff for the last +5% extra performance. Because Bulldozer is an enthusiast CPU, and enthusiast want any extra performance, they decided to have AM3+.
An AM3 Bulldozer design is no problem, it will just have ~5% less performance.
Maybe they changed their opinion since then, who knows. There is a new (temporary) CEO, maybe he is more in favor of upgradeablility ?
However, I currently think that it is MSI's error. They use the same basic PCB Design for the GD70/GD65 and the upcoming BingBangConqueror AM3+ board with 990FX chipset.
All boards are from the 7640 series, the GD70 is with the additional markings "ver 1.2" oldest, the GD65 with ver. 3 is newest, and the (real) AM3+ board is in between with ver 2.0.
Quite likely that somebody forgot to delete the AM3+ string from the previous design.
However, one has to wonder what the MSI people are blabbering then about AM3+ compatibility :confused:
In any case, we will have confirmation in a few hours, thanks @newls1 for checking :up:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Opteron146
you sure will
basically sums it upQuote:
Originally Posted by Opteron146
llano can cover the lower-mid with 2 to 4 cores, and BD covers mid-upper with 4 cores, and 6-8 cores is all enthusiast. the number of people who would be upgrading to BD is very small. most would just be buying a new system anyway, so im happy we got that extra bit of performance. i however am not happy my board lasted 40 months instead of 48 months, lol
although i think it would have been cool to shrink thuban to 32nm for some 65W hexicore 4ghz lovin without needing a new board. but i bet that would not have been very profitable.
Would have been very interesting to se how thuban perform/oc on 32nm tho.
WTF?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kobaltrock
Honestly, I don't believe the photos on newegg are a pre production sample since newegg takes those photos of one of the boards they recieve for sale.Quote:
Originally Posted by Opteron146
I'm still eager to see newls1's photos and if it is indeed an AM3+ socket, maybe I'll happen to purchase an MSI board within the next few months to play with.
:)Quote:
Originally Posted by newls1
I dont have a pic, but in the above pic and that guy saying there should be a "HOLE" where the blue circle is.......THERE Is NO HOLE... AM3 socket, not AM3+ :(
Just a reply to my thread here, cause there is no need to start another thread:up: I just installed my Scythe Mugan2 revB cooler and now am @ 4.03GHz @ 1.385v / CPU-NB 1.20v / 7-8-7-24 1t DDR3 1568 1.42vDimm / NB 1.22v / PCIe @ 103MHz
This board seems great so far.. Im very impressed for a 140$ board. I was very limited on my Prior OC as I was using the stock cooler, but this new air cooler is excellent:up: Will increase more later on...
CPU-Z validation page ( http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=1647057 )
Also with the NB @ 2860MHz, the PC seems rather responsive:up:
D'oh. Oh well. Still odd though.Quote:
Originally Posted by newls1
:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by newls1
Let us know if the board does some fireworks, if so, take pics. :D ;)
Ok anyways, thanks for checking !Quote:
Originally Posted by newls1
I was already wondering, because BeepBeep2 was right with his argument of newegg making own pictures.
So now we have 2 confirmations that there is an AM3 socket on the board.
Really strange, it might be like somebody wrote in another forum:
Everything on the GD65, but the sockel, might be AM3+ compatible :mad:
Given the proximity of series 9 boards and this gd65 being a latecomer, it's possible that it's pcb is shared with one of the newer models and someone just forgot to remove the am3+ print on this version.Quote:
Originally Posted by Opteron146
There will be no "SPARKS" this board is solid:up: Hell, the VRM heatsink doesnt even get warm.... And for the record, I have a 120mm yateloon SH fan over NB, and VRM heatsink :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kobaltrock
That's what I wrote in posting #43:Quote:
Originally Posted by AlleyViper
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...0&postcount=43
Including proof of the pcb sharing (same model numbers)
;-)
The GD70 and GD65 don't share the same PCB. Even though they are "revisions" of the same model, they aren't even remotely the same.
Then where is the difference of model and pcb :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by BeepBeep2
Just for the heck of it, I called 626-581-1551, and spoke with a tech about the AM3+, and if it is a misprint or not and the person on the line put me on hold for 10 mins or so, and came back and said "Sir, it is no mistake". :shrug:
That means I am really :confused:.
i would be asking them to send you an email with someone as high up as possible, stating that you will be able to put a BD chip into your motherboard
then keep it for a few months and see if you can have them refund you the cost of your motherboard on account of them lying to you, lol.
No news, that is the official statement of MSI, heard that already from 2 other MSI guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kobaltrock
Makes no sense at all.
If you want, call that guy again and tell him that one can clearly see the socket difference between the GD65 and the BigBangConq., shown at CES.
Well, maybe the AM3b socket of the BBConq board was just a joke from MSI :rofl:
Sorry for saying almost the same, didn't notice your post. The current previewed am3+ BBC flagship doesn't quite match the previous 890 gd70 or gd65 pcb, but at this point, we simply don't know how many models will be in the next lineup. There should be space for another gd65 or even gd70 and then we'll see if this was the reason for the mishap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Opteron146
Dunno bout that, AM3b is the socket codename, AM2+ was listed as AM2b for a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by Opteron146
Well first off they spaced the ram slots, this was likely based on feedback ( i complained about dimms running warm spaced next to each other ).Quote:
Originally Posted by Opteron146
There are also other benefits, would not be surprised if this board hits respectable ram speeds now.
That in itself would change the entire PCB and trace layout alone compared to say 890FXA-GD70.
After closer inspection its differs greatly. Looks like it might be a nice bang for buck overclocker.
On a side note, interesting addition of 6 pin power for PCI e lanes, considering it only can take 2 vga's while the GD70 had no additional PCI e power and supports 4 way.
Can you please do me one last favor ?Quote:
Originally Posted by newls1
MSI uploaded the manual now:
http://download2.msi.com/files/downl.../E7640v3.1.zip
They mention that there was a December version, before the current, January, one.
I guess you have the old December version. If you have some time, please compare the specification page 1-2 / 1-3.
Maybe the changes will give us some hints ;-)
Thanks
Opteron
will do, brb
I h ave Ver 3.1 so that would be the newest version.. as far differences...... ARE THERE ANY!! I cant see anything different
AH ok, if u have 3.1, too then it is the same. I thought that you maybe have the 3.0 version.Quote:
Originally Posted by newls1
Thanks for trying ;-)