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12-26-2010, 10:18 AM
Bodkin

6950 to 6970 flash thread

Post here if you tried it. Looks like it worked for me, trying to test now

Instrructions http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=335318

http://gpuz.techpowerup.com/10/12/26/avh.png

^That is a 6950!

0.9v idle

1.175 load
12-26-2010, 10:19 AM
kaktus1907

wow this is awesome! congrats your chip is golden :)
12-26-2010, 10:25 AM
lowfat

Very interested on seeing if more of these cards can unlock successfully.
12-26-2010, 10:28 AM
kaktus1907

Isn't Device ID # wrong ? 6970 should be 1002-6718 and 6950 1002-6719.. it would be better to see before-after performance results at same frequencies..
12-26-2010, 10:51 AM
Rattle

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bodkin

Post here if you tried it. Looks like it worked for me, trying to test now

Instrructions http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=335318

^That is a 6950!

0.9v idle

1.175 load

Can you please post the exact make and model of your 6950, also lets see some results if you can to see if theres a difference.
12-26-2010, 10:56 AM
aver

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rattle

Can you please post the exact make and model of your 6950, also lets see some results if you can to see if theres a difference.

I have an HIS 6950 in the mail so I can test this out once it arrives. Does this mean that the 6950 is just a crippled 6970?
12-26-2010, 11:01 AM
easyrider

Will this work with a Sapphire 6950?
12-26-2010, 11:10 AM
Bodkin

Old 3d mark score was x1100

New 3d mark score is x1789

Clocks are the same, as far as I can tell it works, seems there is no laser cut

Its a HIS 6950
12-26-2010, 11:22 AM
Oztopher

Should've post this here - http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=750

Btw guys, i get artifacting in ati tool scanner, quite badly. But in all the benchmarks i've run i haven't seen any :confused:

My 6950 never artifacted in the scanner. I tried lower clocks, 6950 speeds, still artifacted. But i haven't seen any in game :shrug:
12-26-2010, 11:30 AM
flopper

Artifacts in 3D mode for me.
powercolor 2 cards.
12-26-2010, 11:37 AM
Bodkin

Getting artifacts too, but the card flys along in game :S
12-26-2010, 11:39 AM
easyrider

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bodkin

Getting artifacts too, but the card flys along in game :S

When are you getting atifacts?

Did you put your switch on position 2 to keep the original bios?
12-26-2010, 11:42 AM
Bodkin

Only getting artifacts on atitool 3d scanner, nothing else, furmark is fine. Bios 2 is the backup so flashed bios 1
12-26-2010, 11:47 AM
Hicksetto

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bodkin

Only getting artifacts on atitool 3d scanner, nothing else, furmark is fine. Bios 2 is the backup so flashed bios 1

What about GPUTool stability test? Could you please test with GPUTool?
12-26-2010, 11:56 AM
Bodkin

Run for 5 mins so far, seems fine!
12-26-2010, 12:15 PM
Bodkin

15 min mark and its still not artifacting
12-26-2010, 12:18 PM
Hicksetto

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bodkin

15 min mark and its still not artifacting

That's great! Thank you! :clap:
12-26-2010, 12:18 PM
Rattle

NICE

I just ordered a 6950

I have no self control rofl
12-26-2010, 12:19 PM
Alucard-

I flash my sapphire 6950 and it worked gained about 100pts in 3dmark11 clock for clock
12-26-2010, 12:31 PM
Neova

Any artifacts? :D
12-26-2010, 12:31 PM
easyrider

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alucard-

I flash my sapphire 6950 and it worked gained about 100pts in 3dmark11 clock for clock

Thats not alot
12-26-2010, 12:31 PM
Bodkin

30 mins in and still nothing :)
12-26-2010, 12:33 PM
ZoLKoRn

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alucard-

I flash my sapphire 6950 and it worked gained about 100pts in 3dmark11 clock for clock

Yah that scale closed with my running on 3dmark 11 too about 100pts, looking to approve for all :up:
12-26-2010, 12:33 PM
Oztopher

Ran it for a good 10-15 minutes as well, no artifacting. I remember it being a good tool to test my 4890 core with, but same with ati tool :shrug: gpu tool tester is hotter though, more on terms with furmark etc.

http://paulyd.co.uk/oz/6970%20gputool.jpg

Some more benches here: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=758
12-26-2010, 12:34 PM
RaZz!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rattle

NICE

I just ordered a 6950

I have no self control rofl

rofl! i've already put the card in the shopping cart (232,99€, from powercolor), but didn't check out yet. artifacting with the atitools artifact scanner doesn't sound too good :(
12-26-2010, 12:36 PM
Bodkin

^its the ony thing that will do it, no idea why! Furmark has no issues and GPUtool is still running with me (35mins)
12-26-2010, 12:39 PM
informal

Remember one thing guys,the chips are locked to certain number of SIMDs for a a reason ;). If you encounter instability or artifacting you should revert back to default bios or clock down.
12-26-2010, 12:49 PM
Oztopher

More crysis benchmarks

6970 flash at stock:

http://paulyd.co.uk/oz/6970%20crysis.jpg

6950 at 920/1450 doesn't even touch it:

http://paulyd.co.uk/oz/6950%20crysis%20920_1450.jpg
12-26-2010, 01:00 PM
flopper

I just note that gpu-z shows me 1600 shaders vs yours at 1536.
no idea why though.
12-26-2010, 01:02 PM
Bodkin

Old GPU-z?
12-26-2010, 01:03 PM
MaxMax77

@Oztopher:
so you did flash your hd6950 with the asus6970 bios and than did a run with crysis before and after? and the RAM of your hd6950 (stock @1250) can stand the high clocks of 1375mhz (stock of hf6970) without artifacts and voltage increases? what do the temp sensors say when you run with hd6970 bios instead of 6950 while crysis?
thanks
12-26-2010, 01:04 PM
ZoLKoRn

Quote:

Originally Posted by flopper

I just note that gpu-z shows me 1600 shaders vs yours at 1536.
no idea why though.

What version on your GPUZ ? try to new version if you still used old version it'll report
for 1600unit to on HD6970 ;)
12-26-2010, 01:12 PM
flopper

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZoLKoRn

What version on your GPUZ ? try to new version if you still used old version it'll report
for 1600unit to on HD6970 ;)

used the new one.
;)
12-26-2010, 01:15 PM
Alucard-

use the new test build, I had the same problem before

Quote:

Originally Posted by flopper

used the new one.
;)
12-26-2010, 01:23 PM
flopper

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alucard-

use the new test build, I had the same problem before

k, tested that and then it shows 1536.
still cant run anything since the 3D artifacts a lot.
12-26-2010, 01:34 PM
Oztopher

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaxMax77

@Oztopher:
so you did flash your hd6950 with the asus6970 bios and than did a run with crysis before and after? and the RAM of your hd6950 (stock @1250) can stand the high clocks of 1375mhz (stock of hf6970) without artifacts and voltage increases? what do the temp sensors say when you run with hd6970 bios instead of 6950 while crysis?
thanks

Yep. The 6950 crysis benches were from a few days ago though.

My 6950 can go up to about 1450 on the memory anyway. Temps do seem a bit hotter, haven't tested thoroughly but will see what i can do.
12-26-2010, 01:35 PM
Bodkin

^must have a bad card :( Seems some can handle it and some carnt. Mine just powered through a couple of BFBC2 matches
12-26-2010, 01:58 PM
Hicksetto

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bodkin

^must have a bad card :( Seems some can handle it and some carnt. Mine just powered through a couple of BFBC2 matches

What happened? :confused:
12-26-2010, 02:01 PM
Bodkin

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hicksetto

What happened? :confused:

What i ment is floppers card must be bad. Mines fine :) Easily managed BC2
12-26-2010, 02:01 PM
easyrider

What happens with the texture units? Do they go from 88 to 96?
12-26-2010, 02:02 PM
easyrider

I want do this with my sapphire 6950 is it worth it?

An extra 100 point is 3D mark 11 doesn't seem exciting enough

what about real game performance?

Currently running 900/1350
12-26-2010, 02:05 PM
zalbard

They do, and go for it. Report back.
12-26-2010, 02:31 PM
Bodkin

http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/...ng/vidcard/159

Lol
12-26-2010, 02:46 PM
flopper

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bodkin

^must have a bad card :( Seems some can handle it and some carnt. Mine just powered through a couple of BFBC2 matches

well I got 2 cards in crossfire, and one might not be up for it.
dosnt matter,, I wait for afterburner, got speed enough as it is anyhow ;)
12-26-2010, 03:33 PM
Gaul

Which one is for flash 6970 ? (the Flashable switch BIOS)
1 or 2 ?
12-26-2010, 03:38 PM
MaxMax77

@Gaul: i think you are wrong with your purple markings: no 1 is the position nearer to the bracket, but you labelled it in the pic as No 2, just have a look on the metal backplate above the switch of the card: its written there, and do not forget to -unlockrom in DOS mode before trying to flash new bios to position no 1.
greets
12-26-2010, 03:39 PM
Sebastione

Maybe this just stems from too high Core/ Memclock ?
I mean 1375 is a huge overclock from 1250 on the memory...
12-26-2010, 03:57 PM
flopper

Ok run this again, flashed cards one and one, my top one articfacts bad, the other one seems to work.
saw some glitches in the benches I did run.
but seems ok.
12-26-2010, 04:13 PM
Oztopher

Yep Gaul, the markings are the other way around. Just follow the instructions from the guru3d link :) should work fine. If anyone else has their card not recognised after flash, wait for windows to install its drivers, then disable the card in device manager, renable it and restart when prompted. Worked fine for me after that.

Max overclock with stock volt 1.175v:

http://paulyd.co.uk/oz/6970%20crysis%20975_1475.jpg

It's only just hit me, i bought a £275 card for £220 :D ... fingers crossed nothing bad happens or anything...
12-26-2010, 04:19 PM
flopper

http://i54.tinypic.com/9a9v28.jpg http://i52.tinypic.com/s2s4ex.jpg
12-26-2010, 04:20 PM
Bullu$

Another instruction from Techpowerup
http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/...ng/vidcard/159
12-26-2010, 04:48 PM
96redformula

I can't wait to get to my house to give it a try :)
12-26-2010, 04:56 PM
easyrider

Flashed mine and its showing as 1600 SP?
12-26-2010, 05:04 PM
RaZz!

Quote:

Originally Posted by easyrider

Flashed mine and its showing as 1600 SP?

you're using an old version of gpu-z. update it and it'll show it correctly.

Code:

Manufacturer Cards Unlocks and Unlocks but Does not unlock tested works fine rendering errors AMD 1 1 0 0 HIS 3 3 0 0 ASUS 1 1 0 0 PowerColor 1 1 0 0

seems like a high success rate :)

btw: does it only unlock the shaders or the texture units as well?
12-26-2010, 05:17 PM
tbone8ty

wow and 6950 r starting to get rebates and free shipping!

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-356-_-Product

$279.99 with $20 rebate
12-26-2010, 05:43 PM
Rattle

Quote:

Originally Posted by RaZz!

you're using an old version of gpu-z. update it and it'll show it correctly.

Code:

Manufacturer Cards Unlocks and Unlocks but Does not unlock tested works fine rendering errors AMD 1 1 0 0 HIS 3 3 0 0 ASUS 1 1 0 0 PowerColor 1 1 0 0

seems like a high success rate :)

btw: does it only unlock the shaders or the texture units as well?

looks like it unlocks the 8 TU's as well.

http://tpucdn.com/articles/159/images/arch.jpg
12-26-2010, 05:43 PM
easyrider

Below is 6950 flashed to 6970 running at the default 6970 stock speeds 880/1375

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...tockheaven.jpg

Below is the 6950 overclocked to 900/1350

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...50900-1351.png

The extra shaders are clearly working

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...970flash-1.jpg
12-26-2010, 05:52 PM
jeanjean15

adapter not found

I tried to flash my Asus 6950 but i have a message : adapter not found .

I used atiflash 3.79 .

Any idea ?
12-26-2010, 05:52 PM
CobraXP

Nice work guys. That is about $100 savings on a card.... hmm :yepp:
12-26-2010, 06:13 PM
Pyr0

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanjean15

I tried to flash my Asus 6950 but i have a message : adapter not found .

I used atiflash 3.79 .

Any idea ?

try this one ;)
http://www.mediafire.com/file/0dt0cw...y/atiflash.zip

or use winflash linked in the techpowerup guide linked above
12-26-2010, 06:32 PM
BigCactus

Does it perform the same?

Does it perform as well as a 6970 after the unlock?
12-26-2010, 06:36 PM
jeanjean15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pyr0

try this one ;)
http://www.mediafire.com/file/0dt0cw...y/atiflash.zip

or use winflash linked in the techpowerup guide linked above

Thank you . :bows:

I used the techpowerup methodology and everything is ok now .

I am going to test the stability .
12-26-2010, 06:44 PM
easyrider

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigCactus

Does it perform as well as a 6970 after the unlock?

yes
12-26-2010, 08:08 PM
96redformula

Mine unlocked, testing it in futuremark benches next.....

http://gpuz.techpowerup.com/10/12/26/g5a.png
12-26-2010, 08:11 PM
MisterMagoo

Has anyone had success on an XFX or are you all running Sapphire and HIS for the most part?
12-26-2010, 08:21 PM
96redformula

Stock 6950
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/9650/stockclocks.png

Overclocked 6950 840/1325
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/9550/8401325.png

Unlocked Stock 6950(Well 6970 now :) )
http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/2...tockclocks.png
12-26-2010, 08:22 PM
96redformula

Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterMagoo

Has anyone had success on an XFX or are you all running Sapphire and HIS for the most part?

Mine is XFX :)
12-26-2010, 08:26 PM
MisterMagoo

Quote:

Originally Posted by 96redformula

Mine is XFX :)

Word up :D I was soooo about to order a 6970, good thing I stopped by the trusty XS first :clap:
12-26-2010, 08:46 PM
Alucard-

I think there maybe something more to this unlock or maybe my drivers got corrupted but I'm getting artifacts with supersampling aa in nfs-hp, but I'm sure it worked fine just after the flash. I turn aa off and it's fine. heaven and 3dmark11 run fine so I'm confused now.
12-26-2010, 09:03 PM
Johnny87au

Anyone run some games on high settings for a few hours and post back?? Wanna get some more info before i take the plunge.. :)
12-26-2010, 09:08 PM
96redformula

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny87au

Anyone run some games on high settings for a few hours and post back?? Wanna get some more info before i take the plunge.. :)

I have been running lots of benchmarks and so far nothing weird other than temps. The fan profile seems to be a bit strange as temps were maxing in the 70's prior to unlock and now they get to upper 80's. As well I heard the fan kick it up a notch for the first time and it takes its time to cool it back down to idle levels. ATI CCC manual fan control will not work with the updated bios/unlock.
12-26-2010, 09:14 PM
Johnny87au

Quote:

Originally Posted by 96redformula

I have been running lots of benchmarks and so far nothing weird other than temps. The fan profile seems to be a bit strange as temps were maxing in the 70's prior to unlock and now they get to upper 80's. As well I heard the fan kick it up a notch for the first time and it takes its time to cool it back down to idle levels. ATI CCC manual fan control will not work with the updated bios/unlock.

Good to hear, Some guy on guru3d has reported no increase even though its a bump up in shaders.. I really wanna see flashed 6950s run CF, so i can compare them to a Non-Flashed 6970 CF..
12-26-2010, 09:34 PM
Rattle

Quote:

Originally Posted by 96redformula

I have been running lots of benchmarks and so far nothing weird other than temps. The fan profile seems to be a bit strange as temps were maxing in the 70's prior to unlock and now they get to upper 80's. As well I heard the fan kick it up a notch for the first time and it takes its time to cool it back down to idle levels. ATI CCC manual fan control will not work with the updated bios/unlock.

does afterburner work?

or how but the old school way where you can edit the driver and create profiles for fan speeds?
12-26-2010, 09:42 PM
96redformula

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rattle

does afterburner work?

or how but the old school way where you can edit the driver and create profiles for fan speeds?

I can now confirm fan control is working with Afterburner 2.1.0 Beta 5, there is no voltage control.
12-26-2010, 09:54 PM
Rattle

great

thanks for the update
12-26-2010, 10:49 PM
LagunaX

$293 free shipping at Amazon (no tax in CA) for Sapphire and HIS versions...

Why did I get that silly 6870? It's straight to Ebay for that card...

@Rattle - my self control might be similar, LOL!
12-26-2010, 11:04 PM
Rattle

Heh I got mine from amazon for 297 overnight
12-26-2010, 11:21 PM
MisterMagoo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rattle

Heh I got mine from amazon for 297 overnight

How did you swing that :hump:
12-26-2010, 11:22 PM
rapin

unlucky i don't have 6950 ie..ie
12-26-2010, 11:32 PM
96redformula

I picked mine up for $280 @ tigerdirect.com :)
12-26-2010, 11:44 PM
WrigleyVillain

This is so sweet. Like the old days...
12-27-2010, 12:17 AM
Henry

Stock 6950 @ 900/1400 (OLD GPU-Z)

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/6...ge9001400e.jpg

Unlocked 6950 @ 900/1400 (OLD GPU-Z)

http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/8...9709001400.jpg

Unlocked 6950 @ 940/1400

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/4092/9401400.jpg

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/2816/x1924e.jpg
12-27-2010, 01:37 AM
Scyphe

I wonder if artifacts are due to different timings on the RAM chips (since they use different chips on the 6950'ies and 6970'ies and certain circumstances may "break" certain cards RAM?). And don't forget to increase Powertune to 20%+.
12-27-2010, 03:20 AM
RaZz!

does RBE support the 6900s yet? time for some BIOS modding regarding memory timings ;)
12-27-2010, 04:46 AM
ZoLKoRn

Quote:

Originally Posted by RaZz!

does RBE support the 6900s yet? time for some BIOS modding regarding memory timings ;)

Yesss..... next step waiting for RBE :D
12-27-2010, 04:57 AM
easyrider

Do you think the 2 x 6 PIN PCI-E connector will be an issue in the long run for 6950's flashed to 6970's?
12-27-2010, 04:58 AM
Jeager

Quote:

Originally Posted by RaZz!

rofl! i've already put the card in the shopping cart (232,99€, from powercolor), but didn't check out yet. artifacting with the atitools artifact scanner doesn't sound too good :(

232 its cheap, which shop ?
12-27-2010, 05:05 AM
Oztopher

Quote:

Originally Posted by easyrider

Do you think the 2 x 6 PIN PCI-E connector will be an issue in the long run for 6950's flashed to 6970's?

Apparently, they have the same power regulation, and 6x6pin + power from motherboard is about 300w. So it should be fine at 6970 stock clocks at least :)
12-27-2010, 05:28 AM
BababooeyHTJ

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bodkin

Only getting artifacts on atitool 3d scanner, nothing else, furmark is fine. Bios 2 is the backup so flashed bios 1

I've seen a few threads with people reporting artifacts on just Atitool with 6870 as well. I wouldn't take that as a sign of instability. If you google "6870 Atitool" more threads will pop up.

TPU thread
12-27-2010, 05:39 AM
easyrider

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oztopher

Apparently, they have the same power regulation, and 6x6pin + power from motherboard is about 300w. So it should be fine at 6970 stock clocks at least :)

Sweet
12-27-2010, 05:42 AM
Erklat

This is so awesome, thanks guys. I knew that HD6950 was far better deal ;)
So we have a pretty decent success rate here, after flash it is the same card as HD6970? AMD is going to be very very mad :D

Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk
12-27-2010, 05:46 AM
Bodkin

Quote:

Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ

I've seen a few threads with people reporting artifacts on just Atitool with 6870 as well. I wouldn't take that as a sign of instability.

TPU thread

Winner! That means my card is perfect then. Just did a 2 hour furmark run and its still good
12-27-2010, 05:53 AM
easyrider

Are you all running with the power setting @ +20?
12-27-2010, 06:02 AM
easyrider

I'm getting artifacts in Heaven when I run at +20
12-27-2010, 06:18 AM
sl00tje

I've finished my first vga unlock/flash. I have an Asus 6950 and used the Asus 6970 bios.

6950 stock
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/610/infostock.gif

6950 with 6970 bios
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/3842/tttv.gif

1. When I run Heaven after 30 seconds it hangs. Do I have to change settings in CCC? <-- I've reinstalled Heaven and the problems are gone!!

2. In GPUz 0.5.0 it says that I have a 6950. Is that correct? My shaders are 1536 :confused:
12-27-2010, 06:25 AM
ZoLKoRn

Quote:

Originally Posted by sl00tje

I've finished my first vga unlock/flash. I have an Asus 6950 and used the Asus 6970 bios.

1. When I run Heaven after 30 seconds it hangs. Do I have to change settings in CCC?

2. In GPUz 0.5.0 it says that I have a 6950. Is that correct? My shaders are 1536 :confused:

Hmm...maybe GPUZ is wrong because it report from device ID look at on device ID
list it still 6719 that is a ID for HD6950 but for Shaders i think it real increasing
you can checking with 3D bench

btw. hangs after 30sec maybe your gpu/mem can't running on HD6970 clock speed
try reduce little speed and benching again if it still hangs maybe you a one of
bad luck

Cheers ;)
12-27-2010, 06:29 AM
flopper

Quote:

Originally Posted by easyrider

I'm getting artifacts in Heaven when I run at +20

any in windows at idle?
I got that with one card.

Likely the cards are luck of the draw as they didnt meet the criteria for 6970.
12-27-2010, 06:46 AM
PatRaceTin

very good news for all 6950
12-27-2010, 07:26 AM
sl00tje

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZoLKoRn

btw. hangs after 30sec maybe your gpu/mem can't running on HD6970 clock speed

I've reinstalled Heaven and the problem (hanging) is gone :)
12-27-2010, 07:29 AM
easyrider

Quote:

Originally Posted by flopper

any in windows at idle?
I got that with one card.

Likely the cards are luck of the draw as they didnt meet the criteria for 6970.

None.

I think I had the fan speed to low

Anyhow I did another run @ 20+ and had no issues although having the power on 20+ does nothing to improve things

@ 0%

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...r_01/69700.jpg

@+20%

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2..._01/697020.jpg

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