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Going to be "building" a tripple channel kit soon, 1 stick at a time (stupid budget) and am not sure whether to go with the 2200 CL8 Speed or 2000 CL7 ProjectX
I've seen the amazing results from the 2200 CL8 Speed kit, but how come I haven't seen much from the ProjectX? Seems promising with that CL7 @ 2000 :shrug:
Generally they are both good.
I got 1745 CAS 6-6-6-18 from my 2200 C8 dual channel kit, 1844 CAS 6-6-6-18 from my 2000C7 triple channel kit.
Single sticks can be binned lower than dual/triple channel kits so they are probably about the same.
Dunno why you havent seen 2000C7 results, I posted a few...my avatar is two of my 2000C7 sticks @ 1.75v...just a suicide shot.
tripple channel..sounds like intel setup. i recommend something more viable...most of those rams are eol... replacing them will be pita. i suggest more stable rams.
beepbeep
whats your best speed that is sp32m stable?
If those are the ones you are waiting to go back in stock, I wouldnt count on it. Ive been checking every day for a couple weeks and they are always out.
About 1860 I'd think. My 1100T just came in the door and my IMC wall should be lifted so I need to see what they do with this CPU. My 565 doesn't like ram above 1820, and the 965 BE had trouble with IMC stability after ~1850.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hondacity
The STT triple channel kits were binned higher, so I think the 3x2GB STT Project X 2000C7 was highest bin. I'm able to have 1800 6-6-6-18 1T TRFC 90ns stable at 1.7v. I only run two sticks on my AMD setup so I keep the third handy as a spare. All the sticks clock about the same.
The STT Speed series 2200cas8 Rams can be set to 2000cas7 on stock, which is what i have in my sig for my stock volts results for cas6 ;) ... Yes they are MGH-E and it was the last Dual Channel kit in United states on Superbiiz There End of the line won't make anymore your best bet is to buy second hand like Corsair GTx2
Considering all that has been said, what suggestions do you have then?
I have a buyer for my current Mushkin dual channel kit, and would like a new kit lined up to minimize downtime of my system.
I would like ddr3 2000 and lowest possible latency (I feel silly even saying that, of course this is what everyone wants :rolleyes: )
I will end up benching them someday, but that is definitely not their #1 priority.
I have found STT 2133 CL8 Speed kit in stock somewhere, not sure I wanna mention where lol, but how does this kit compare?
Splave also has 2000 CL8 Chrome kit for sale, and a Kingston 2200 kit for sale... Chrome really doesn't match my "theme" but w.e., and AFAIK the sinks aren't removable? Kingston's are Elpida but not Hyper, right?
Kingston hyperX? Link exact model so i can let you know :)
Reflecting the 2133 were the weakest of my STT, and surprisingly the 2000 C8 are the best besides my ProjectX- the 2200 are very good rams but donīt match the ProjectX at C7. Referring to the chrome 2000C8- they have a big variation in performance, as usual I was lucky and got a batch that seemingly was not binned- in contrary to the triple kit I had which was just averrage eight of my 10 single sticks STT Chrome 2000 Cas8 do 2000 C7 at 1,63 and below- which is on par with the 2000 C7 Project X i have.
I have 2000 C8 Performance Chrome dual-channel kit, but nothink special. They did 1716 MHz 6-6-6-18 1T, 1956 MHz 7-7-7-21 1T, 2076 MHz 8-8-8-22 1T and 2208 MHz 9-9-9-24 1T with 1.648V DRAM Voltage.
//And I have ADATA XPG+ TCT 1866 MHz C8 with Hyper MNH-E too, but it's crappy kit. 1956 MHz 8-8-8-22 1T max stable with C8 and 1.648V. :(
My weakest Chrome kit I still own- as talk is cheap;) - they can do same result with tighter TRFC, was just a test- Memtest stable as well as in the scomd screen, but there I did just an 1m for I didnīt want to stress them without reason
http://www.abload.de/thumb/kit12000cl7163v32midvx.jpg http://www.abload.de/thumb/kit12160174vc71mq56u.jpg
I tested all frequencies with 30 minutes stress in LinX
These are the Kingston's, come with fan. Splave saysThe Chrome's he just says are MGH-E Hypers, that is the newer Hyper right? The successor to the ones that used to sporadically die?Quote:
Elpida BDBG, 6-10-8 @ 2150 32m
I'm leaning towards the STT because of the great price and 2k CL8 is decent enough for what I want, the chrome heat sinks are just killing me though :p:
Yes all of the SuperTalent 2000C8 2000C7 2133 C8 1600 C6 and 2200 C8 are MGH-E ;)
BDBG are similar to PSC in performance.
So the only difference between the 1.6k C6, 2k C8, 2k C7, 2.1k C8, 2.2k C8 are binning and binning only? Maybe different PCB (I am new to performance ram, and don't know what role PCB plays in high performance)Quote:
Originally Posted by BeepBeep2
If the above is true, I think I will go with the Chrome kit from Splave because of the price.
Does the Dominator GT 2k 8-9-8 kit use MGH-E too?
I use memtest86 and then test with SuperPi or prime blend one Voltage step higher cause my board drops in windows on loadQuote:
Originally Posted by Blue Storm
These Corsair use PSC- definitely no HyperQuote:
Originally Posted by fl0w3n
Fl0w3n if you have your heart set on performance STT Ram, i have a kit that can do 1800 Cas6(2200Cas8 Speed series) its a 2x2GB(4GB kit)... i haven't abused them yet.. if you have a way to contact me do so... Because this is the only way you'll ever find what i have ;) unless one of these gentlemen is willing to part with there Rare Ram.Quote:
Originally Posted by fl0w3n
FYI there the Black PCB Revision MGH-E, which do very tight timings with reasonably IMC, Check out Sergio's post about his ram on his new I7 rig , We both got same batch.
Logically binning would have gone:Quote:
Originally Posted by fl0w3n
2000C8, 2133C8, 1600C6, 2200C8, 2000C7
But yes all of them were MGH-E, if you can still find them.
Ah, I'm interested... I just need 1 more stick :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by OCBalmang
Ah, well I just listed them in increasing ddr numbers lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeepBeep2
I have my eye on a single 2133 CL8 stick + 2x2 2133 CL8 kit I found, I think I will just go for that.
Just need the money now :(
Actually I'm selling a kit of 2x2GB 2200... on TPU.
PM me...nobody bit so I'd be happy to sell you a single stick.
I dunno beep should you mix Rams ? i always heard that was a bad idea >.< and i'm pretty sure they won't dual channel are be anything at the enthusiast end that he wants going for the 2133C8... Aren't those the bad left overs :S more overpriced than what they really are ...
I've heard the same thing about mixing ram, but you guys know much more than I do.
I need my kit to sell and I'll be in contact with both of you to talk about pricing.
So the 2133's are like the "well what should we do with the left over sticks?" "eh just list em as 2133 cl8's and see if they bite"
??? lol pretty much just sticks that didn't cut it as anything else?
I don't know what you were saying about dual channel and after that though.
2133 C8 are basically the ones that didn't cut 2200 C8...Quote:
Originally Posted by OCBalmang
For example my 2200 C8 do 1600 6-6-6-18 @ 1.60v and nothing less. Pretty much leaves 2000 C8 and 1600 C6 behind.
IMO 2000 C8 are a different series so they probably arent binned. Speed/Project X were probably a set of chips set aside for binning and they just put random sets out as 2000C8.
In fact, binning or "listing" is really tight on some sticks, you might even need .01-.02v more to pull spec etc etc.
Mixing ram (different batches/models) isn't good in the long run.
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Originally Posted by BeepBeep2
Oh okay, so then I suppose I'll pass on your's and OCBal's 2200 CL8 offer :(
I am setting up an ultimate machine here, and would like to see if it can last untouched for at least a year abouts :up: I will get a different benching rig eventually, but I want a solid gaming rig.
So, what ram should I be looking at then? I'd like something like 2200 CL8 or 1600 CL6 as it seems those would be pretty close in performance? Obviously the 2200 having more throughput?
Nothing on NewEgg seems to really match my criteria, besides G.Skill Pi maybe, but those seem like PSC chips? Not sure I am fond of OCZ.
Suggestions please? The main use is 24/7 use gaming, with a 4.2-4.5ghz w3520 (depending what the new loop allows) 4.2 QPI and I want the memory to match these performance levels.
Why do you want Hypers anyways? They do clock good at higher MHZ dont get me wrong but they are mainly EOL, And besides Super talent arent the only make who make Mghe hypers, A-Data , Corsair etc, but its gonna be hard to find people selling them.. Why dont you go for some PSC chips? Ive seen some crazy G skill PI's 12GB---2164 6-9-6-24-88 1t 1.65 thats on air , heres link..Quote:
Originally Posted by fl0w3n
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=254036
I'm not so set on Hypers, I just know I can't go wrong with them.
I am open to suggestions for ram that fits my criteria. Seems like you kinda are suggesting the G.Skill Pi kit I linked? Those seem to be the same one's in the test you linked...
If I could do 2k C6 I would be quite, quite happy :D especially for that price
Yes, you can;)I don't know if with MGH-E, but with MNH-E yes. My ADATA XPG kit has very crappy MNH-E and they can't run 2000 MHz C8:(Quote:
Originally Posted by fl0w3n
Not even 2000 8-9-8? That's pretty bad :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Storm
I meant the newer MGH-E :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Storm
So I think I will go with those G.Skill Pi 1600 CL6 rams then. I hope they just hold a high over clock for a long period of time :up:
Actually good MGH-E clocks worse than good MNH-E...but MGH-E is safer as far as dying.Quote:
Originally Posted by fl0w3n
;)
Ahh good to know haha. Like I said I'm new to super high end specifics of ram.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeepBeep2
What do you think of the Pi kit beepbeep? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231352
1956 MHz 8-8-8-22 1T with 1.648V:ROTF:8-9-8 I haven't tested yetQuote:
Originally Posted by BeepBeep2
That's a good PSC kit. :yepp:...but if you can find their 2000 6-9-6 kit for a reasonable price it's probably the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by fl0w3n
not true...Quote:
Originally Posted by BeepBeep2
From what I've seen it's able to do 2000 CAS 7, maybe 7-10-7...Quote:
Originally Posted by Hondacity
By similar I suppose I meant "You must run the trcd up high to go faster, but it's not as bad as Samsung."...
http://i4memory.com/f83/6gb-kingston...testing-23624/
http://14752832.blog.hexun.com/60111870_d.html
http://www.benchzone.com/page.php?al...9AD3T1FK3&pg=5
So I doubt they will do 6-9-6 like high-bin PSC, my apologies on that. 7-9-7 looks within reach at less than 1.7v.
Quick search says they are no where.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeepBeep2
I think I could be happy with the 1600 CL6. I just need to learn lots from you guys about timings :) :welcome:
If Im not mistaken, those pi sticks should be the same as the Mushkin Redlines you are selling, just in a tri-channle kit.
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Originally Posted by BeepBeep2
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Originally Posted by Cecil
:rofl: I thought about that, but what else can I do?
i have the stalents speed series 2200 C8 amazing ram i can do 4515 HT OFF stable on 1720 6-6-6-19 / trfc 72 at 1,68vdimm idle and 1,7 loaded (measured with DMM)
only thing that i dont like is "the fear" for the chips to die i hate this as you pay for good ram that you expect to go tight on timmings but well, i switched to 1720 7-7-7-20 uncore x17 1,66vdimm wich is very fast also
i tested a lot of PCS and BBSE but was on P45 would be nice to have a kit that goes 2000 C7 without suffering the volt thing, lilke the mushkins ridgeback that ma mate Oc nub tested
BeepBeep did you test your load vdimm on ya mobo ? as on gigabyte what you put on bios on vdimm is what it loads...it undervolts at idle, so when you say 1,75 would be idle at load should go ~ 1,77
cheers to all
Sergio
Well, they are here:Quote:
Originally Posted by fl0w3n
http://www.ditaqcomputer.com/product...4--DDR3-2.html
But cost same/more than the Hypers...lol
No, I didn't. My Gigabyte board doesn't like speeds above 1750...but my ASUS and Gigabyte board do clock the same at similar voltages. This board reads low in BIOS by about .0125vQuote:
Originally Posted by andressergio
I saw that, but wasn't sure the validity of it...nor did I want that price hahah.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeepBeep2
Any mushkin kits that are a 3x2 and comparable?
Yes but i think that its the way those hypers are binned, for ex on my EP45T would go 2000 CL9 on 1T whit PCS (gskill PI 2000 C6) and not with this hypers...not even boot at 2000 C10 or whatever they love to stay at 1600 - 1700 on C6 2T, on my X58A UD3R they do what i told you, maybe i have to adjust other param, dunno...Quote:
Originally Posted by BeepBeep2
cheers :up:
Sergio
The XPG kits with the crazy heatsink/cooler? I thought those were supposed to be good, I found I site that is selling 6GB kits of the 1866 C8 model for $215...Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Storm
http://www.overclock.net/intel-memor...00mhz-6-a.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by fl0w3n
You can try to email Mushkin to get them,
http://www.mushkin.com/Memory/Ridgeback/998826.aspx
They were replaced with these,
http://www.amazon.com/Mushkin-Enhanc.../dp/B003TSTDM6
Not sure what exactly they are, but they could be sleepers.
For the price, these are probably pretty decent,
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820226030
These are what I have on the way for my i5,
http://www.amazon.com/Mushkin-Enhanc.../dp/B003TSTDLW
Anyone know what they use? Think they will do 8-9-8 at 2k, or 7-8-7 at 1800?
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Originally Posted by Cecil
Thanks Cecil, just the type of help I was looking for. Good too, because I am fond of Mushkin (love that kit I still have :p:)
Ironically, I just sent lsdmeasap a PM, him and I talk frequently and I asked for his assistance.
I'll talk to him about the availability of the kit he reviewed, and if not I may check out the kit that replaced those.
Thank you for your help. :up:
yeah, ADATA with "crazy" heatsink:)I don't know if I have very bad piece of kit, but they did very crappy frequencies:confused:and yes, they have Elpida BASE Hyper MNH-E ICsQuote:
Originally Posted by Shiranui Gen-An
http://www.abload.de/img/adata_xpg_tct_1866qdsb.jpg
http://www.alfacomp.cz/ezbozi/2/48772/18595av.jpg
Odd, those are the sticks that Gigabyte chose for the GO OC 2010 finals, at least the 3x2GB 1866 kit...Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Storm
Guess it doesn't matter, I waited too long. The e-shop that had them for $215 no longer lists them :(
http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?...8x8-CL8-Memory
$70 per stick, grab them while you can. I don't think we will be seeing any more.
Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeepBeep2
That is a good price. I found a 2x2 and a Single stick for sale some where else (1 of the single stick left, 3 2x2's left) but I didn't like what you guys had to say about them.
Bough 3 of them and none of them was able to boot in my and mine friend AMD plataform, no matter the timmings and voltage choosed.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeepBeep2
But they could boot fine in a Rampage III all the way up to 1960mhz 7-7-7-21
Very strange cause I didn't get any problem w/ 2000 C8/ 2000 C7 and 2200 C8