|UnBoxing|MSI N460GTX HAWK "Talon Attack"

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10-13-2010, 11:14 PM
pr@$r1g

|UnBoxing|MSI N460GTX HAWK "Talon Attack"

MSI N460GTX HAWK "Talon Attack"

http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/s...60gtx/logo.jpg

MSI's GTX 460 HAWK "Talon Attack" is the refinement of earlier released GTX 460 HAWK with faster GDDR5 on board .It can be well overclocked above a reference /nvidia designed GTX 460

Un-Boxing

Front
http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/s...x/package1.jpg

Back
http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/s...x/package2.jpg

http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/s...x/100_3478.jpg

http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/s...x/100_3479.jpg

Front
http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/s...x/100_3486.jpg

Back
http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/s...x/100_3519.jpg

IO /2x DVI Ports & a Mini-HDMI Port
http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/s...x/100_3524.jpg

2x PCI-Express power adapter & Voltage measurement cables
http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/s...x/100_3484.jpg

Driver CD ,Quick Install Guide ,DVI adapter to VGA & Mini-HDMI to HDMI adapter
http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/s...x/100_3482.jpg

All the Goodies here ..... :D

This were it gets interesting ...

http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/s...x/100_3521.jpg

http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/s...x/100_3506.jpg

The GDDR5 memory chips are made by Hynix, and carry the model number H5GQ1H24AFR-T2C. They are specified to run at 1250 MHz (5000 MHz GDDR5 effective).Personally I was not expecting a highly overclock-able Hynix GDDR5,I was expecting SAMSUNG ... its a surprise.

http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/s...60gtx/vreg.jpg

MSI is using the uP 6213 for their design which seems to have the functionality required to control the three voltages MSI is offering. On the left of the voltage regulator you find a pair of DIP switches that let you optimize the PWM frequency. Near the bottom edge of the PCB MSI has placed six LEDs that show a bar graph of the current draw of the card (amps, representing GPU load).

GPUz info
http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/s...0gtx/gt460.jpg

Mates U would be thinking ,I should overclock & do some benching ;)

I need more time ,I received it yesterday only & MSI afterburner received with was expired .

Hope u like Un-Boxing this :)

Surprise

IDLE
http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/s...x/460temps.jpg

LOAD
http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/s...mpsvantage.jpg

Temps are great ,Im loving it :up:

http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/s.../460OC900a.jpg

Afterburner 2.1/2.0 ** is buggy... the voltage sometimes is applied & sometimes with the same setting drivers crash

Default Vantage 811/1622/1950

http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/s.../460p17300.jpg

Default Voltage OC 850/1700/2240

http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/s.../460p18108.jpg

OCed to max at 1.087v using Afterburner 1.6.1

http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/s.../460p19101.jpg

As its noticed that ,there not difference in in sing AB 1.6.1 or 2.0 or 2.1 * ,the main reason i bought this is its memory .I'm dissapointed ....

Note:
I have noticed the VRM area getting very hot that too includes memory VRM & an added high speed GDDR5 is still not overclockable to the max ,the Afterburner provided with the card is non functional provided to the " World's First Triple Voltage Control " ... :slapass:

It may be a software or may be a bios bug ... it needs to be reviewed MSI !!!
10-13-2010, 11:36 PM
SnW

Great looking card mate what are the idle temps on it ?
looking forward to some benchmarks :up:
10-14-2010, 03:25 PM
cowie

looks good also waiting for some results....
I was wondeing if that card you have is retail? yes?
10-14-2010, 11:19 PM
crskymod

Nice Card men, could be possible to get the BIOS of your card for flashing a normal MSI HAWK to this version?

Thanks ;)
10-15-2010, 03:00 AM
runmc

Quote:

Originally Posted by crskymod

Nice Card men, could be possible to get the BIOS of your card for flashing a normal MSI HAWK to this version?

Thanks ;)

Yes let's see if you can get that done :yepp: Bios please :clap:
10-15-2010, 03:06 AM
El_Lute

Have a look -> MSI GTX460 HAWK Talon with with hynix 1250MHz GDDR5.

Wanna Share its bios
10-15-2010, 05:31 AM
Olivon

Waiting for OC results :D
10-15-2010, 08:48 AM
pr@$r1g

Quote:

Originally Posted by SnW

Great looking card mate what are the idle temps on it ?
looking forward to some benchmarks :up:

Did some vantage stability benching ,have a look :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by cowie

looks good also waiting for some results....
I was wondeing if that card you have is retail? yes?

Yes it is retail one :yepp:

Quote:

Originally Posted by El_Lute

Have a look -> MSI GTX460 HAWK Talon with with hynix 1250MHz GDDR5.

Wanna Share its bios

thanks

Quote:

Originally Posted by crskymod

Nice Card men, could be possible to get the BIOS of your card for flashing a normal MSI HAWK to this version?

Thanks ;)

yes provided ,some results please :up:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Olivon

Waiting for OC results :D

yaa ,did OC was disappointing ,the whole day i was looking for max OCability ... finally made it .Have a look in main post :D

Next
Dumping "i2cd" afterburner does show max voltage 1.213 but when u set it like that it sets back to 1.087 ... will max it out with " Fermi Bios Editor "

Lets see if i could touch mysterious 1000MHz ability .....
10-15-2010, 09:15 AM
[XC] Oj101

Why didn't you do any testing with the memory at 1250MHz?

I like this card already :D
10-15-2010, 03:48 PM
cowie

Thats not bad for 1.08v i think you did good.
Good luck with it.
10-15-2010, 06:00 PM
pr@$r1g

Quote:

Originally Posted by [XC] Oj101

Why didn't you do any testing with the memory at 1250MHz?

I like this card already :D

Bro its not that im limiting memory OCability

the memory is not willing to go above 2240 ,above that drivers fail

U can see all the Vantage scores the memory is always set to 2240 :shrug:
10-15-2010, 06:04 PM
Boulard83

The "TALON ATTACK" have VRM heatsink ?
10-15-2010, 08:30 PM
MacClipper

Why are there no photos of the stripped card showing the VRM, onboard power phases etc.. ?
10-16-2010, 01:12 AM
[XC] Oj101

Quote:

Originally Posted by pr@$r1g

Bro its not that im limiting memory OCability

the memory is not willing to go above 2240 ,above that drivers fail

U can see all the Vantage scores the memory is always set to 2240 :shrug:

But 2500MHz is "stock" for the memory? Or are you limited by the memory controller? I'm not saying you're stupid, I'm just wondering why it can't run at the memory's rated speed:)
10-16-2010, 09:25 AM
pr@$r1g

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boulard83

The "TALON ATTACK" have VRM heatsink ?

It is same as shown in

Quote:

Originally Posted by MacClipper

Why are there no photos of the stripped card showing the VRM, onboard power phases etc.. ?

Any use ? ,same as reviewed at techpowerup

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/1416/hvrm.jpg

Quote:

Originally Posted by [XC] Oj101

But 2500MHz is "stock" for the memory? Or are you limited by the memory controller? I'm not saying you're stupid, I'm just wondering why it can't run at the memory's rated speed:)

Im pushing it as much as possible ,it may be related to vmem ... increasing vmem should help reach 2500! .U know AB is the trick ,but it isn't working :ROTF:
10-16-2010, 09:38 AM
MacClipper

Thanks, examined a sample of the GA SOC GTX460 card and GA has also skipped the VRM sink from their new card. But the mounting holes are still there on the PCB and the mosfets are well arranged with no intervening protruding resistors to prevent anyone from adding their own sink - nice!

Looks like GA might be the winner this time round. :)
10-16-2010, 10:50 PM
pr@$r1g

I have seen GA SOC GTX460 ,its having a samsung ... its a good looking card though :)
10-21-2010, 11:34 AM
daseto

Its MSI why did you expect to not have trouble with it?
10-21-2010, 01:08 PM
Splave

^herp derp derp
10-21-2010, 05:56 PM
pr@$r1g

Quote:

Originally Posted by daseto

Its MSI why did you expect to not have trouble with it?

No problem though ,I will make it work :up:

950/1100 is not a problem & if it voltmodded may be it could reach 1000/1200
10-22-2010, 09:11 PM
Mungri

Quote:

Originally Posted by El_Lute

Have a look -> MSI GTX460 HAWK Talon with with hynix 1250MHz GDDR5.

Wanna Share its bios

Will this work on normal GTX 460s though, or would it brick them?
10-23-2010, 01:44 AM
pr@$r1g

it work ,u have to change board ID

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/8831/460jl.jpg

Normal board has 7000 board ID ,where as talon has 8600 ...
10-24-2010, 03:50 PM
ekovalsky

Interesting... I ordered a N460GTX Hawk from Newegg when they dropped the price to $214.99 with a $20 rebate and free shipping. The Talon Attack was more and I didn't think it was worth it.

So I get the board and lo and behold it comes with factory clocks of 811 core, 1622 shaders, and 1950 memory. It has the Hynix GDDR5 1250Mhz ram chips and the Device ID in BIOS is 8600. So it is a Talon Attack, even though neither the box nor sticker says it.

Not sure if I just got lucky or if MSI is upgrading all the Hawk cards. I ordered another one for SLI so am hoping it is also a Talon Attack incognito.

If anyone was interested, this card is certainly a good overclocker although a little disappointing based on the 1GHz propaganda, which I suspect was achieved with some cherry picked GF104 silicon. Using Afterburner 2.1 beta which is limited to +100 mV on the core it will go to just over 900MHz. Unigine Heaven 2.1 (DX11, 2560x1600, 16AF, 4x AF, normal Tesselation) will crash before too long if I go beyond that. The memory is good to at least 2200Mhz with the +30 mV the latest Afterburner provides. At 2250 red artefacts appeared so I backed off. I haven't seen any effect from the PLL voltage so have the offset at zero.

Using NiBiTor 5.8 I did unlock the base Vcore from 0.987, and set it to 1.2125v. I used Nvidia Inspector to set the default Vcore to 1.125v which should net 1.2125v with +100 mV in Afterburner (which I understand controls a secondary VRG, which is not reflected in the Vcore reported by the sensor). This got me a little above 950Mhz and temps were still quite reasonable but the gains weren't that significant so I'm leaving well enough alone, and sticking with the 1.087v/900MHz available with Afterburner. Older versions of Afterburner allowed more offset for the Vcore and memory, with +100mV on the GDDR3 I did get 2250 stable.

If anyone is interested, overclocked as above the highest PScore with 3DVantage was about 17,500... not bad for a card with net cost of $195. Other than power used at load, I'm pleased with this purchase and glad I didn't hold out for the AMD Bart boards. Overclocking the 460 1GB to similar speeds as the 6870, I doubt there is much if any difference other than load power. And I prefer nVidia over AMD/ATI for SLI (over CFX), also I prefer nVidia's drivers and control panel.
10-24-2010, 05:41 PM
pr@$r1g

Quote:

Originally Posted by ekovalsky

Interesting... I ordered a N460GTX Hawk from Newegg when they dropped the price to $214.99 with a $20 rebate and free shipping. The Talon Attack was more and I didn't think it was worth it.

So I get the board and lo and behold it comes with factory clocks of 811 core, 1622 shaders, and 1950 memory. It has the Hynix GDDR5 1250Mhz ram chips and the Device ID in BIOS is 8600. So it is a Talon Attack, even though neither the box nor sticker says it.

Not sure if I just got lucky or if MSI is upgrading all the Hawk cards. I ordered another one for SLI so am hoping it is also a Talon Attack incognito.

If anyone was interested, this card is certainly a good overclocker although a little disappointing based on the 1GHz propaganda, which I suspect was achieved with some cherry picked GF104 silicon. Using Afterburner 2.1 beta which is limited to +100 mV on the core it will go to just over 900MHz. Unigine Heaven 2.1 (DX11, 2560x1600, 16AF, 4x AF, normal Tesselation) will crash before too long if I go beyond that. The memory is good to at least 2200Mhz with the +30 mV the latest Afterburner provides. At 2250 red artefacts appeared so I backed off. I haven't seen any effect from the PLL voltage so have the offset at zero.

Using NiBiTor 5.8 I did unlock the base Vcore from 0.987, and set it to 1.2125v. I used Nvidia Inspector to set the default Vcore to 1.125v which should net 1.2125v with +100 mV in Afterburner (which I understand controls a secondary VRG, which is not reflected in the Vcore reported by the sensor). This got me a little above 950Mhz and temps were still quite reasonable but the gains weren't that significant so I'm leaving well enough alone, and sticking with the 1.087v/900MHz available with Afterburner. Older versions of Afterburner allowed more offset for the Vcore and memory, with +100mV on the GDDR3 I did get 2250 stable.

If anyone is interested, overclocked as above the highest PScore with 3DVantage was about 17,500... not bad for a card with net cost of $195. Other than power used at load, I'm pleased with this purchase and glad I didn't hold out for the AMD Bart boards. Overclocking the 460 1GB to similar speeds as the 6870, I doubt there is much if any difference other than load power. And I prefer nVidia over AMD/ATI for SLI (over CFX), also I prefer nVidia's drivers and control panel.

Good to know some one else bought this too ........... :up:

950 is not bad for this kind of card & if its better cooled I think it can do more than that .... underwater /LN2 ,i will not be doing that

We have to wait for a better AB just +30mv is not enough & i manually vmem'ed so now i can reach 2360 ,my vcore is 0.962

Next with those scores I scored 18363 GPU vantage :yepp:

So ur SLI'ng ,gr8 man

And i want u to share ur BIOS ... :)
11-12-2010, 05:49 PM
onethreehill

Quote:

Originally Posted by ekovalsky

Interesting... I ordered a N460GTX Hawk from Newegg when they dropped the price to $214.99 with a $20 rebate and free shipping. The Talon Attack was more and I didn't think it was worth it.

So I get the board and lo and behold it comes with factory clocks of 811 core, 1622 shaders, and 1950 memory. It has the Hynix GDDR5 1250Mhz ram chips and the Device ID in BIOS is 8600. So it is a Talon Attack, even though neither the box nor sticker says it.

Not sure if I just got lucky or if MSI is upgrading all the Hawk cards. I ordered another one for SLI so am hoping it is also a Talon Attack incognito. snip.....

Any updates?
11-12-2010, 08:34 PM
570091D

Quote:

Originally Posted by [XC] Oj101

But 2500MHz is "stock" for the memory? Or are you limited by the memory controller? I'm not saying you're stupid, I'm just wondering why it can't run at the memory's rated speed:)

my understanding is that nvidia had some troubles implementing the GDDR5 mem controller and that is why none of thier new cards can match the mem speeds of ATI. that is also why they use a wider mem bus ;)

i think using the high speed ram on current nvidia cards is a waste, but i'm glad they're trying to eek out additional performance where possible :up:
11-14-2010, 07:04 AM
pr@$r1g

yes u r right

No matter what voltage memory can't go above 1150 for stability that's 4300MHz

May be this should improve with GTX560 ...... I think so.

& May be we should see some faster GDDR5's on GTX570 ..............
11-23-2010, 12:09 AM
TEDY

on MSI i see TALOON ATTACK version of card?

http://global.msi.eu/index.php?func=...0&prod_no=2152

what is that?
12-08-2010, 03:51 PM
Oki

I am getting this card tomorrow and will be posting in this thread. I think it is a wise choice, as I have opportunity to choose between this card [ Talon Attack] and Gigabyte/Sapphire 6870 .. I hope I will grab some decent one..
12-08-2010, 05:57 PM
pr@$r1g

Quote:

Originally Posted by TEDY

on MSI i see TALOON ATTACK version of card?

http://global.msi.eu/index.php?func=...0&prod_no=2152

what is that?

Oh sorry for late replay...

Yes this is that same version, with 810 core clock.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oki

I am getting this card tomorrow and will be posting in this thread. I think it is a wise choice, as I have opportunity to choose between this card [ Talon Attack] and Gigabyte/Sapphire 6870 .. I hope I will grab some decent one..

YUP that's great enjoy .... i sold my hawk talon & bought a Gigabyte GTX460 SOC which is a decent one tooo. :up:
12-09-2010, 12:36 AM
Oki

It would be really great if you can remember settings for memory [ in afterburner] or even your highest air clock 24/7 settings/bios...

" Note:
I have noticed the VRM area getting very hot that too includes memory VRM & an added high speed GDDR5 is still not overclockable to the max ,the Afterburner provided with the card is non functional provided to the " World's First Triple Voltage Control "

Interesting, so they made a great cooler that can run chip cold [ 28-29c idle and 65c furmark stable] but vrm's are running hot as hell.. that's the only thing that bugging me and thinking about referent gigabyte 6870... damn what a thug choice....
12-09-2010, 01:29 AM
xdan

Quote:

yes u r right

No matter what voltage memory can't go above 1150 for stability that's 4300MHz

Actually that's 4600. 1150*4=4600.
12-09-2010, 09:24 AM
pr@$r1g

^ yes ur right

Max MEM can go 1175 with 1.85v
12-09-2010, 09:28 AM
pr@$r1g

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oki

It would be really great if you can remember settings for memory [ in afterburner] or even your highest air clock 24/7 settings/bios...

" Note:
I have noticed the VRM area getting very hot that too includes memory VRM & an added high speed GDDR5 is still not overclockable to the max ,the Afterburner provided with the card is non functional provided to the " World's First Triple Voltage Control "

Interesting, so they made a great cooler that can run chip cold [ 28-29c idle and 65c furmark stable] but vrm's are running hot as hell.. that's the only thing that bugging me and thinking about referent gigabyte 6870... damn what a thug choice....

that's true

But this OC's better/more that any reference one ..... right

Mem can go upto 1150 straight no voltage needed & core can max go for 925-930 with max voltage ..........
12-09-2010, 03:54 PM
Oki

Just a quick note.

I didn't managed to get Talon Attack because I was late like for a few hours [ ffs I also work from 08-15h] and all that is left was, Gigabyte 6870.. Ok I was pissed off because of that, but I've already contacted like every store and local MSI HQ here, answer was negative.
I think Talon Attack will not be available in Serbia soon....

Of course either Gigabyte GTX460 SOC is not available too ... but I think this 6870 is not as bad as it seems... card runs cold and it's decent overclocker...

good luck with that SOC :wave: