Today was delivered PCB designs for new Dual Fermi card. First Equal samples in few weeks, launch between august/september i think. PPls with better info about official launch date are welcome.
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Today was delivered PCB designs for new Dual Fermi card. First Equal samples in few weeks, launch between august/september i think. PPls with better info about official launch date are welcome.
any more info on this? any links? are you one of the reviewers?
i am not reviewer, i am sitting at the source of all sources :)
Asus PCB plant?
I predicted a double-GPU just around the corner yesterday, LOL ;) . I bet it is a 460x2, can the source of sources confirm it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zed_X
Saweeeet !!! I hope its 470x2
Surely they have to use fully functional gf104 chips, 2x460 wouldn't have the commanding lead over 480 it needs to be useful addition to nvidia line.
That would be too hot, too power hungry, and too expensive. That's why we didn't get a double-GPU while 470 has been out there for a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zloyd
I hope it is 460x2 2GB. It would be cool, quiet, power efficient, and hopefully will go for $349:D. In case, it will send a shock wave and tear apart all prices from top to bottom. The price is just some hope and speculations tho, but in case will make the day for us frequent consumers of GPU.
You can believe in god too, but no proof that exist ...
GF104 x2 no doubt and no surprise *edit* my prediction, with the same amount of ram per chip as a 480 and released at $600.
I hope it's 2 x 460, each with all 8 SM engine enabled
Is there a chance that they have a 460 arch chip GF106 but its got 470 performance and they want to sell 2 in one card for 550 $ ?
2x460 is the highest probability because of the said heat and power consumption complications that would come using 2 x 470.
Also for their flagship card they would want hdmi 1.4
source?
Or maybe it exists but you are too primitive to have the ability to see it? You are assuming that you have the ability, but you can't even see infrared or WiFi, and many other stuff right in front of your nose. It doesn't mean they doesn't exists, you and your rain are too primitive for those stuff. You don't have the brain-power to scene them.Quote:
Originally Posted by madcho
But lets keep it to technical stuff, it is not a good idea to bring God into this, it may offend some peoples believes. You don't need a big brain to see a 460x2 (or a variant of it) coming soon.
It's true.
Like I said before, nVIDIA will release a Dual-GPU Fermi this summer ( looks like in late July - August ) and if things go as planned, we'll also have the GTX 485 in Sep.
Is nvidia actually getting good yields now ??
2x460 is lame.
Won't beat the 5970 and roughly the 480......, and Nvidia dual gpu cards seemed to be last-hour effort, to juts take the crown back.
This one, to work, need two better GF104 than the 460's.....
I hope this is not what Zed_X was refering to. Its not really a GTX490 per se, but another one of ASUS freaky experiments :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by fellix_bg
i hope it's just a prototype done for shows, but will not be sold. Even a Asus freaky experiments will not benefit to nvidia. An official one would be worse.
Nvidia want sell toasters after this autodestruction act ?
WTH :eek: :shocked:Quote:
Originally Posted by fellix_bg
Real GTX 495 = 2X384SP ~750 MHz IMHO :shrug:
This one?ASUS MARS II
http://www.techpowerup.com/img/10-07-16/mars_ii_1.jpg
More:http://www.techpowerup.com/126702/AS...celerator.html
Hmm.. care to look at ASUS Ares I with two full blown HD5870? Its very similar to this. Huge Card.Quote:
Originally Posted by madcho
This is not what we are looking for. It is going to be hot, hungry and expensive. Just a BS.
We are waiting for the real deal, a full GF104x2 with 2GB+.
Yes should be really better a GTX460 x2Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
If the 490 GTX turns out to be two 460's in one card, I'm not impressed. Two of them can't even beat a 5970, as I saw in benchmarks.
Higher clocked or fully unlocked are going to end up faster without a problem.
If its consistently faster than a 5970 its gonna be sweet irrespective of which chip they used. But with only 2 x 460 (as we know it) that's not possible so most likely these are chips that have fully unlocked (special binning ?)
Not sure Nvidia want a dual gpu thats slower than ATI so its going to have to be faster , now what worries me is what the hell is it going to cost to us.
Without it being official, I'd say 499$ :)
And then add the price gouging from the stores at launch.Quote:
Originally Posted by BenchZowner
499$ means close to 5970 but not outright faster (very likely since one is 2 460 variants and the other is 2 5870 with lowered clocks)
It also means there will be changes in pricing on both sides , for the better !!!
I'm really enjoying these gpu battles !! (speculative but hey we know both sides are getting some great stuff to us soon)
Next 6-7 months could be a real gpu roller coaster I fully expect ATI to get something like 5890 (improved 5870) to us pretty soon.
Did I mention this is fun :D
Not too suprising is it? A GF104 x2 card was like bound to happen, I just wish it has 384 cuda cores and perhaps they release a single gpu variant of it as well at around $250. If x2 variant would be using 384 cuda cores, this thing I'd bet it would run for more than $499, $499 sounds like a suitable price for a x2 GTX460 card, 550~$599 for a fully unlocked GF104 variant IMO that might be around HD5970 levels - 7% faster.
The dual-GPU fermi board will be tweaked just to surpass the 5970 a tad.
I hope it performs just equal to, or just a few % below/above 5970, because otherwise it can get expensive.
If it doesn't beat 5970 with a good enough margin to tempt nVidia for milking prices, then it can end up really cheap, and tear apart all these ridiculously high prices in this round.
the asus mars is just a ridiculous experiment.
the only thing a gtx490 could be is dual gf104.
and with the right chips it could compete well with 5970. it doesnt have to beat 5970 at everything. it will cost less to make than 5970, so even if it is slower half the time, they can afford to undercut the 5970 price to make it fair.
they are collecting and binning the gf104 parts by function and voltage right now. they have them piling up. YOU guess what they are going to use them for.
The "GTX 490" is rumored to be 2x GF104 (with 384 SP, 1 GB memory, high-ish clock speeds). That and "GTX 475", which is a single-GPU GF104 card with 384 SP, 1 or 2 GB memory, high-clock speeds, and 4-way SLI capability. NV's winter 2010 catalogue for enthusiasts :)
They can beat a 5970 with a not too extreme overclock in a lot of cases. Also, for the GTX490, I would strongly bet that it will be dual GF104 with all 8 SMs enabled, and faster clocks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrono Detector
You mean $599? You realize the cheapest GTX480 is $459?Quote:
Originally Posted by BenchZowner
There's a price cut in effect for the latest shipments ( it should go as down as 399$ ) and another one in the near future ( as soon as the GTX490 gets released ).Quote:
Originally Posted by ElSel10
Worst case scenario would be a 549$ launch price for the GTX490 :)
14% more shaders + 10% higher clocks speeds should be able to beat a 5970 as the current lead is 10 % over SLI gtx 460's.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElSel10
If NV did charge 499 and kept at this price, NV would gain a long term customer from me because it would appear their pricing would be super fair honestly compared to AMD as of late which has been raping the customer.
You are very optimistic.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElSel10
2 x GTX480 = $900
1 x GTX490 if 2 x GTX480 = $799
sexy :)Quote:
Originally Posted by BenchZowner
You should pretty much expect any company to gouge in the absence of competition. Nvidia did it with G80.Quote:
Originally Posted by tajoh111
This is going to be like 1200EUR
more like two full GF104s (384 SPs) at moderate clocks... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Chrono Detector
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Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
349$ for a dual gpu card??? LOLL
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Originally Posted by madcho
FAIL!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
With all this good news coming, sounds like Nvidia will finally be somewhat competitive again. And AMD can finally drop their prices on their HD 5XXX series!!
why be a fan-boy, just except the the tech : )
Asus informed their press partners NOT to release this almost immediately after sending out the pictures. Apparently no one at TPU listened... :/
(edit: apparently the European Asus offices didn't request the pull)
Probably is x2 GF104 with all its cluster enable (full potential)
485 GTX is what i'm happy about. 1ghz core anyone??
What could GTX 485 possibly be? GF100 with all its cuda cores enabled?Quote:
Originally Posted by BenchZowner
It's full GF100.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blacky
512SP, 64 TMUs, 64 TFUs, 48 ROPsQuote:
Originally Posted by Blacky
Target stock GPU clock 720-740MHz
I don't think pulling off a competitive GTX490 will be much of an issue if they do use Fully enabled GF104. better SLi vs CF scaling is their saviour here.
* What will be intreresting though is what clocks they settle on with a fully enabled part.
* What Response Ati will have given the 725Mhz clock on Current 5970
This was the card we were waiting since start correct? power consumption is going to be nastier on this bad boy! though could the improvement would be significant on 485 over 480?Quote:
Originally Posted by BenchZowner
whats the planned release date for that bank account shrinker ???? because ati might have its 6000 series ready by now ....
I bet it's a GF104 x 2 at the $499-$549 price range with full unlocked capabilities and 2Gb of RAM. Nvidia is really happy with the GF104 and I think it will be what they push going forward. I also bet they are having better yeilds with it, so pushing everything in that direction would be better profit wise.
I also bet as soon as it is released ATI does this:
HD5970 - $499
HD5870 - $299
HD5850 - $199
HD5830 - Disco
ATI has been sitting on fat profits for the last 6 months thanks to Nvidia's lack of Fermi. I would bet that they have been holding some of the revenue in reserve just so they could drop the prices to stay at the better price/performance ratio to Nvidia. On top of that, HIS accidently let everyone now that the HD6xxx series would be out this fall, so it's just a matter of time before the HD5xxx series drops in price anyway.
That wouldn't be what's asus doing kinda??Quote:
Originally Posted by EnJoY
Lame? Are u serious? 1x 480 atm would buy you 2 of these cards which would smash 2x 480's.. If these are really 2x 460's, im going to be buying 2x cards straight up... my thoughts is that it will be equal to triple 480s? or maby a bit higher then SLIQuote:
Originally Posted by miptzi
religious people have a tendency to view any supernatural or psychic experience as evidence of the existence of God/truth of their own religious beliefs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_osloOr maybe it exists but you are too primitive to have the ability to see it? You are assuming that you have the ability, but you can't even see infrared or WiFi, and many other stuff right in front of your nose. It doesn't mean they doesn't exists, you and your rain are too primitive for those stuff. You don't have the brain-power to scene them.Quote:
Originally Posted by madcho
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganzfel...sis_of_results
http://www.google.com/search?q=occult+forum
This is not forum for religious discussion, and those lines were not meant to be the evidence of anything, let alone the evidence of the ultimate truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by hollo
Those lines were meant to say GTX 490 may exist, even if he couldn't imagine, understand or comprehend it. He was amusing that GTX 490 couldn't exist because he couldn't see it, and he was blaming God for that, just like you.
When you quote people, don't cut it to highlight your own speculations and misunderstandings, please quote all of it. But lets keep it to technical discussion, what you seek is OT.
lol Cut this off topic crap. What about the 6 series in Q4? @20-30% Faster than the 5000s, they're probably gonna be pretty close to GTX485 / 490?
ATI 5000/6000 is off topic too. But where did you hear 20-30%?Quote:
Originally Posted by Etihtsarom
Someone is ignorant enough to add religion to the discussion? You clearly have not been in these forums long.. Who gives a darn what anyone believes, come up with a better argument then insulting someone's beliefs. Even if it was true, you wouldnt go around on christmas telling children there is no santa claus, unless you want to be that guy.
No link, no story. Is it interesting that ASUS is making yet another dual card? Yes, yes it is. But don't blabber off some company name claiming that something is, when it's not. We are not fudzilla.
Another Picture :
http://tof.canardpc.com/view/552062e...f5d07ae1b0.jpg
If thats a picture of it then its not gf104 based, looks like a3 gf100.
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Originally Posted by Olivon
both chips clearly say GF100 A3
^ That's just ASUS' custom project doings like MARS, ARES etc. Expect that card to go for maybe $1200. :) Why it says GTX 490 I dunno tho, I don't see how NV would use GF100 when even 2xGTX 470 would be too hot/draw too much power.
It's from here:Quote:
Originally Posted by Solus Corvus
http://www.chw.net/2010/07/ati-radeo...e-rendimiento/
Also seems to have some details on Southern Islands. If this is true, it would be rather disappointing.
It would mean that ATI's next generation high end single GPU graphics card is only 25-30% faster than Nvidia's current generation high end single GPU graphics card, and it is still 6 months away from now. Long before the "6870" will be out, we are likely to have a GTX485 with a GF100 GPU that has all the logic enabled and higher clock speeds. And in 6 months, Nvidia might have a respin/refresh of Fermi or even next generation Fermi cards.
20% clock for clock performance boost + same clocking ability would deffinatly put some more solid competition on nvidia
He said 25-30% faster then 5000 series, that's why I was wondering.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElSel10
25-30% faster then GTX480 isn't great but it's not too bad either considering this is the frankenstein stopgap before the full NI arch. Assuming the rumors are true - I have my doubts though.
whoa!!! :eek: okay, we have now reached insanity... 3x 8-pin power connectors and a conceviable thermal envelope of 500 watts. wtf...Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
i do however expect the B1 version of GF100 to bring with it the option for nvidia to enable all processing cores and bump the clock speeds a bit. don't expect the same overclocking headroom though... and we shouldn't continue to parade evergreen's overclocking headroom as a means of competing with GF100. evergreen just doesn't scale as well, nor does it overclock as reliebly. southern islands will keep AMD competative with nvidia after the realease of B1 GF100 and full GF104.
hmmmm both configs would be very interesting, 192bit and 256bit... so i hope if nvidia only does one, partners will make one based on the other config...
my guess is that nvidia will go for a dual 460 192bit 768mb...
What about 460 256 1gb's? Would be awesome..Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
It's well documented that BOTH nVidia and ATi had low yields due to process complications with TSMC's FAB. The vast majority of .40nm production problems at TSMC were during the second half of 2009, and if you recall.... nVidia wasn't mass producing Fermi chips yet. Those 6 months of horrible yields were why HD5xxx cards were almost non-existent until around December. The two stores near where I live which carry high end cards, Microcenter and Fry's Electronics didn't get a single HD5870 until late Nov 2009, some 5 months after release.Quote:
Originally Posted by uncle fester
And contrary to Charlie's grand predictions pertaining to "incredibly low availability" of GTX480 and 470... both Fry's and Microcenter had these cards stocked, as did almost every e-tailer. I asked one of the sales guys at MIcrocenter about sales and he said customers are buying nV cards over ATi cards by at least a 10:1 margin.
How about a full GF104x2, with 8 clusters and 48 shaders, also 384x2 with full memory?Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny87au
Maybe they need a bit time to get there and that's why they are not releasing it now? I don't see why they should wait otherwise.
EDIT: If they wanted a double-GPU based on existing 460 768mb or 1gb, they have both on hand. Why wait then, wouldn't they release it yesterday?.
Well, he's probably full of **** since that would give Nvidia 90% (91 even) marketshare, not very likely!Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew LB
And I didn't know there were 7-8 months of fall, the Evergreen cards were launched in September so two months from launch to better availability.
And please, could you stop with the ".40nm" thing? It's 40nm, .40nm is probably never ever ever going to happen, one Si-atom is .24nm...
They could be waiting for ATI to release their 6xxx series?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
Are you mixing up the 4870/4850 launch, late June 2008, with the late SeptemberQuote:
Originally Posted by Andrew LB
launch of 5870/5850?
Should be 2 months, shouldn't it?
FWIW At the 2 biggest, here in Sweden, e-tailers that I usually look at, there was
really no supply of 5850 until Easter this year. 5870, especially XFX, were a little
bit more visible.
I hope not, and don't think so, then we have to wait for a long time. Nobody knows when the ATi 6x-series will show up, or what kind of performance it has. It is more like PR on paper for now. AMD CEO's has been out with similar PR about 28nm and 6x-series right at GF100 release too, but none of them showed up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny87au
I think it is meant to compete with 5970.
Here we go again. Would it be possible that you could find the quote there Mr. MeyerQuote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
say that they will be coming out with a 6K-series card at 28nm, and that the card
will be here before this point in time.
You are claiming that the card nor the process has showed up, but that AMDs CEO
said that they should be here by now.
As far as I know at the quarterly conference call in April that AMD had there was
information put out that AMD will refresh their graphics line before the years end.
No other information like process or marketing name was put forward.
Thats information to the shareholders, not really PR talk.
Im thinking instead of a dual card like the 5970 their new 6xxx series might be 1 solid GPU like the 480.. Would be pretty good..Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
The 6x-series would most probably follow the same line-up, something like 6770, 6750 and 6970, but the big question is when it will show up and what kind of performance it will have. If AMD can shrink it to 28nm then it would probably be a pretty good one with a new jump in performance, but that's a major challenge and it remains to be seen when they can get it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny87au
I don't think a 460x2 is meant to compete with 6x-series, but probably could if AMD can't shrink to 28nm and choose to release a "Frankenstein tweaked" 6x-series for this year or early next year.
That would be a suicide decision, because the card is probably will born dead...Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny87au
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
key word here .... glofo nor tsmc cant make 28nm that fast ..... so that frankenstein approach is as good as it can get ....
My local retailer has a 10% discount on Gainward GTX 460 1GB which was cheap already before the sale. I'm wondering to hit on a couple of these, just because it is so cheap, or wait for a double-GPU. This got more tricky than i thought.
Asus shows off dual Nvidia Fermi card
is it this?
No it's not.
It has been said before quite a few times, that's a special Asus card ( which might not make it to the shelves btw )
Dual gf100's, mega heat! :shocked:Quote:
Originally Posted by Serpentarius
Vast majority of market share comes from people buying prebuilt desktops and laptops. People that buy discrete graphics cards are probably less than 1%Quote:
Originally Posted by marten_larsson
or for better ideas, you can probably use the futurmark or steam hardware surveys to see what the ratio of ATI to Nvidia discrete cards are.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElSel10
just cause its 10:1 dosnt mean thats really the average, maybe they just had one card on sale and thats the one being cleaned out
on the swedish forum its ati 10 and Nvidia 1 ratio.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
just cant beat such a good price/performance/power.
my 5850 been sitting since oct last year.
Sorry for ressurecting buried thread, but something new is about GTX 490. We already have complete card design, manufactured, tested, packed! Launch time was planned around this weekend, but NVIDIA cancelled this card for ever!
o.0Quote:
Originally Posted by Zed_X
Out of interest how does GTX 460 2GB SLi stack up against 5970 4GB or 5870 2BG CF?
Zed_X, any photos?
So what now they will release GTX 495 with 2*GTX460 instead? :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Zed_X
Maybe they canned it because of the ATi dual 6xxx threat.
im sure the 490 will be much better then 2x 460's, the 6xxx ATI cards are just around the corner, im thinking 465x2 or even the 470s using gf100 or gf104 chips..
Hiiiilarious.