Six-Core Thuban Benchmark leaked

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03-23-2010, 04:42 AM
Sakray

Six-Core Thuban Benchmark leaked

From AMDZONE:up::cool:

http://www.amdzone.com/phpbb3/viewto...?f=52&t=137523

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03-23-2010, 05:27 AM
Oliverda

I've made a bench on Win 7 64bit (with 32bit cinebench.exe):

http://i42.tinypic.com/2ilki2b.png

http://i39.tinypic.com/2w6ugd1.png

Cinebench

Thuban: 12642
Deneb: 9023

(approx. +40%)

Vantage CPU (perf.)

Thuban: 14533
Deneb: 9570

(approx. +50%)
03-23-2010, 05:41 AM
[XC] Oj101

These had to be the most predictable benchmarks in history :D

Can someone please run Superpi on this to see if there's a (very slight) performance hit for the added cores?
03-23-2010, 05:47 AM
Mechromancer

I am tempted to buy a 1090T on day one now, but I know I should wait for chips manufactured at a later date. Heck, anything is better than my PII 940 now LOL.
03-23-2010, 06:19 AM
zir_blazer

The synthethic benchmarks aren't very impressive, they are what are expected. Basically, you got 50% more Cores, and have 50% more performance in applications that scales well with as many Threads you can add. The only thing that remains to be seen is the impact of still use 6 MB Cache L3 instead of 9 as you have less Cache L3 per Core should you be using all six on Full Load.
Overclocking results should also be interesing as with 50% more Cores, you are also going to consume 50% more power at same Voltage and Frequency. This means that you are seriously going to push the Motherboard and Power Supply.
03-23-2010, 06:41 AM
Glow9

whats with the corespeed?
03-23-2010, 06:44 AM
Oliverda

Quote:

Originally Posted by zir_blazer

The synthethic benchmarks aren't very impressive, they are what are expected. Basically, you got 50% more Cores, and have 50% more performance in applications that scales well with as many Threads you can add. The only thing that remains to be seen is the impact of still use 6 MB Cache L3 instead of 9 as you have less Cache L3 per Core should you be using all six on Full Load.
Overclocking results should also be interesing as with 50% more Cores, you are also going to consume 50% more power at same Voltage and Frequency. This means that you are seriously going to push the Motherboard and Power Supply.

The fact that it's still use 6 MB Cache L3 is not a big deal on desktop. Just take a look at the Phenom II X4 8xx which uses 4MB L3. Actually you can only see max. 1-2% performance drop in the worst cases.

Phenom X4 - 0.5MB L3 / core
Phenom II X4 800 - 1MB L3 / core
Phenom II X4 900 - 1.5MB L3 / core
Phenom II X6 1000 - 1MB L3 / core

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glow9

whats with the corespeed?

What kind of corespeed? It's 2.8 as you can see on the CPU-Z shot.
03-23-2010, 06:51 AM
demonkevy666

Quote:

Originally Posted by zir_blazer

The synthethic benchmarks aren't very impressive, they are what are expected. Basically, you got 50% more Cores, and have 50% more performance in applications that scales well with as many Threads you can add. The only thing that remains to be seen is the impact of still use 6 MB Cache L3 instead of 9 as you have less Cache L3 per Core should you be using all six on Full Load.
Overclocking results should also be interesing as with 50% more Cores, you are also going to consume 50% more power at same Voltage and Frequency. This means that you are seriously going to push the Motherboard and Power Supply.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...he,2416-5.html

the cache doesn't need to be any bigger. it's only help marginally in gaming.

we just OC (NB/L3) anyways leading to much higher performance lol

people always tend think phenom II is cache hungry when it is not at all.
03-23-2010, 07:02 AM
Glow9

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oliverda

What kind of corespeed? It's 2.8 as you can see on the CPU-Z shot.

the 798.2
03-23-2010, 07:08 AM
Don_Corleone

Waiting for them
Overclocking this 6-cores under ln2 should have more fun
03-23-2010, 07:15 AM
PatRaceTin

Black Only haha
03-23-2010, 07:19 AM
[XC] Oj101

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glow9

the 798.2

Cool 'n Quiet ;)
03-23-2010, 07:20 AM
tool_462

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glow9

whats with the corespeed?

Cool N Quiet
03-23-2010, 07:38 AM
Glow9

ahhhhh Thx guys. Makes sense now.
03-23-2010, 08:39 AM
i found nemo

u know u o/c too much when u dunno what cnq is haha
03-23-2010, 08:39 AM
crazydiamond

thanks for the compare Oliverda
03-23-2010, 08:40 AM
richierich

Can't wait to see overclocked 6 core results.
03-23-2010, 08:59 AM
Glow9

Quote:

Originally Posted by i found nemo

u know u o/c too much when u dunno what cnq is haha

I've always disabled it, especially when I had my first 650i it kinda made OCing flakey so I just scrapped it. Is it better now?
03-23-2010, 09:43 AM
Chri$ch

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oliverda

What kind of corespeed? It's 2.8 as you can see on the CPU-Z shot.

and what is with the "turbo-mode"?
03-23-2010, 09:47 AM
i found nemo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glow9

I've always disabled it, especially when I had my first 650i it kinda made OCing flakey so I just scrapped it. Is it better now?

only if u mess with k10stat but that's still alot of messin' around. personally i never use it.
03-23-2010, 09:55 AM
crazydiamond

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chri$ch

and what is with the "turbo-mode"?

turbo mode is for single threaded apps where it will (on the 1055t) overclock 1 core 500mhz to 3.3ghz instead of stock 2.8ghz ...
03-23-2010, 10:01 AM
Chri$ch

are you sure? if yes its a "turbo-flop"!
03-23-2010, 10:01 AM
Oliverda

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazydiamond

turbo mode is for single threaded apps where it will (on the 1055t) overclock 1 core 500mhz to 3.3ghz instead of stock 2.8ghz ...

Maybe it will be applicable for the dual-threaded applications as well. There are many dual-threaded applications.
03-23-2010, 10:13 AM
crazydiamond

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oliverda

Maybe it will be applicable for the dual-threaded applications as well. There are many dual-threaded applications.

true after i wrote it i realized it could have been worded much better to still get the concept across lol
03-23-2010, 11:15 AM
AlleyViper

I wonder if the extra turbo multiplier will be available to use under some MB workaround...
03-23-2010, 11:45 AM
Gilgamesh

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chri$ch

are you sure? if yes its a "turbo-flop"!

http://www.chw.net/up/2010/03/dynamic-boost-498x350.jpg

http://translate.google.it/translate...0t-turbo-3d%2F
03-23-2010, 11:56 AM
Sakray

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gilgamesh

http://www.chw.net/up/2010/03/dynamic-boost-498x350.jpg

http://translate.google.it/translate...0t-turbo-3d%2F

It's a little disappointed that turbo will take no effect when all 6 cores are loaded.

But I suspected that AMD's turbo will still works when the cpu is being highly overclocked, such as when overclocking to 4G, turbo will pull the loaded single core to 4.5G
03-23-2010, 12:03 PM
Gilgamesh

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sakray

It's a little disappointed that turbo will take no effect when all 6 cores are loaded.

But I suspected that AMD's turbo will still works when the cpu is being highly overclocked, such as when overclocking to 4G, turbo will pull the loaded single core to 4.5G

There are a lot of application that load 4 cores but not 6, so, this choise is good for me.
For overclocking, I think that disabling "Turbo" and C&Q is more common :)
03-23-2010, 02:48 PM
Zeus

Hmm i'm not really overwhelmed by those benches tbh. I'd like to see some benches at 4GHz for a good compare.
03-23-2010, 03:51 PM
zalbard

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gilgamesh

There are a lot of application that load 4 cores but not 6, so, this choise is good for me.
For overclocking, I think that disabling "Turbo" and C&Q is more common :)

Yeah, it's a good decision, imo. Totally makes sense.
Should be perfect for stability, too.
03-23-2010, 04:00 PM
AlleyViper

Scaling under cinebench seems ok per MHz, I'm not used to 32bit scores but I was under the impression that a 4x4GHz does about the same 12.5-13K as this 6x2.8GHz.
03-24-2010, 01:26 AM
FlanK3r

nice info about turbo, thnaks :)
03-24-2010, 12:11 PM
Nintendork

A comparison with my precious:

2.6Ghz 620

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...en/bench26.jpg

+61%
03-24-2010, 02:00 PM
Titan7171

Turbo will be good for people that dont overclock, but make the cpu unstable if its not shut down when we oc (well the guys that push a bit higher at least). Also if you are overclocking youd prolly set the voltage to a higher level, as an example like I have mine set at 1.57v at 4.2ghz now ......with turbo on wheres it going to send that one core? 4.6ghz at 1.63v?? It will be interesting to test though.

Im particularly interested to see if we will be able to set affinity for certain cores, ex. 4 cores on a game 2 cores for background tasks.
03-24-2010, 02:26 PM
Sakray

Quote:

Originally Posted by Titan7171

Turbo will be good for people that dont overclock, but make the cpu unstable if its not shut down when we oc (well the guys that push a bit higher at least). Also if you are overclocking youd prolly set the voltage to a higher level, as an example like I have mine set at 1.57v at 4.2ghz now ......with turbo on wheres it going to send that one core? 4.6ghz at 1.63v?? It will be interesting to test though.

Im particularly interested to see if we will be able to set affinity for certain cores, ex. 4 cores on a game 2 cores for background tasks.

I guess that the effect of AMD's turbo might be maximized by manually overclocking. When finding out the max voltage the cpu can suffer, control the "turbo voltage" slightly less than max voltage, then efficiency will be maximized.
03-24-2010, 03:27 PM
Nintendork

I would love to see Linx bench's (1GB).
03-24-2010, 04:37 PM
perkam

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chri$ch

are you sure? if yes its a "turbo-flop"!

Most games will GAIN performance because of the turbo. It`s only encoding apps and those that rely on all cores (including WCG) etc that would lose performance.

And don`t tell me about Multi-threaded games, because we`re not there yet. There isn`t a single game out there today that would lose performance from a higher clocked single core than 6-lower clocked cores.

Perkam
03-24-2010, 04:40 PM
BeepBeep2

Quote:

Originally Posted by perkam

Most games will GAIN performance because of the turbo. It`s only encoding apps and those that rely on all cores (including WCG) etc that would lose performance.

And don`t tell me about Multi-threaded games, because we`re not there yet. There isn`t a single game out there today that would lose performance from a higher clocked single core than 6-lower clocked cores.

Perkam

GTA 4 :p:
03-24-2010, 05:13 PM
PaganII

Metro 2033 an AMD 965 with 2 cores disabled scores the same as Intel 980 with CF 5870s.
03-25-2010, 01:37 AM
zalbard

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeepBeep2

GTA 4 :p:

Unreal Engine 3 can utilise 8 cores (threads) as well.
03-26-2010, 01:56 AM
Sakray

Who can tell me what's going on with the speedup of Istanbul? It ups to 5.68x but Thuban have only 4.6x in 32bit?:shrug:

http://imagepot.net/image/126959727167.jpg
03-26-2010, 02:59 AM
El Gappo

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeepBeep2

GTA 4 :p:

Isn't gta IV just 3 terrible threads of pure ram rape? :rofl:
03-26-2010, 03:52 AM
ajaidev

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sakray

Who can tell me what's going on with the speedup of Istanbul? It ups to 5.68x but Thuban have only 4.6x in 32bit?:shrug:

[IMG]http://imagepot.net/image/126959727167.jpg[/Is]

I am 100% sure 0A1Ch is a 2P mobo. that means there are 2*2435 cpu's
03-26-2010, 04:17 AM
Sakray

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajaidev

I am 100% sure 0A1Ch is a 2P mobo. that means there are 2*2435 cpu's

I cannot sure this is 2P mobo. But Look at the cpuz, the "Processor #1" cannot be selected, so there's only one cpu.
03-26-2010, 05:54 AM
FlanK3r

hm...i tested today 32-bit and than 64-bit with my "likely" CPU setings for low TDP :)

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/7...hr10x64.th.jpg

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/5...nch359x.th.jpg

3.59 vs 3.61 ...But what i know, efectivity 12 threads Gulftown is under 6x (5.56x at x64) !
03-26-2010, 11:19 AM
AMD-C

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sakray

Who can tell me what's going on with the speedup of Istanbul? It ups to 5.68x but Thuban have only 4.6x in 32bit?:shrug:

Speedup is nothing but the multi score divided by the single score.

Thuban has a lower speedup factor due to CPB making the ratio of single to multicore performance less linear. The single thread is running at 3300 while the multi score is running 6x2800.
03-26-2010, 11:35 AM
demonkevy666

I don't care about stock clock benches regardless of the turbo feature.
where the OC results lol. we fine tune this 6 shooter for max performance.

though turbo is nice for non Ocer's and single/dual threaded things
03-26-2010, 12:26 PM
AMD-C

Quote:

Originally Posted by demonkevy666

I don't care about stock clock benches regardless of the turbo feature.
where the OC results lol. we fine tune this 6 shooter for max performance.

though turbo is nice for non Ocer's and single/dual threaded things

Considering the chip appears to perform almost exactly as one would expect a Phenom II + 2 more and it's running 50% more cores and cache for at most 31% more TDP I'd expect it won't exactly be a beast of an OC'er, but we'll see.

Just for the hell of it I'm going to go out on a limb and say that it will be about as hard to get a 1090T to 3.7 across all six cores as it is to get a 965 to 4.0Ghz today.
03-28-2010, 05:39 AM
ajaidev

Quote:

AMD Brings Phenom II X6, Eyefinity6 to PAX
9:10 PM - March 27, 2010 by Devin Connors - source: Tom's Hardware US

Intel got its six core CPU to market first, but AMD's Phenom II X6 offerings are just around the corner.

While Nvidia might be stealing the show so far at PAX East, AMD is here with some new hardware of their own. While a lot of what was revealed is still under embargo, here's some clarification on what's coming in the next several months.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/PAX...-X6,10004.html

http://media.bestofmicro.com/,6-F-242583-3.jpg
http://media.bestofmicro.com/,6-D-242581-3.jpg
http://media.bestofmicro.com/,6-E-242582-3.jpg

:)
03-28-2010, 12:05 PM
tbone8ty

Quote:

AMD did confirm that its six-core processors will be under $300, including a Black Edition variant, which puts them at the same price point as Intel's Core i7 860, 920 and 930 and well below the $1000 asking price of Intel's Core i7 980X Extreme. Without getting too specific, AMD talked about several features present in the Phenom II X6 CPUs that line up well with features found in the competition.

under $300, wow thats awesome!
03-28-2010, 12:09 PM
tbone8ty

so whats the cheapest X6 gonna be? 1035T? $199?
03-28-2010, 01:30 PM
FlanK3r

no, about 240-250$ 1035T
03-28-2010, 01:54 PM
TheBlueChanell

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlanK3r

no, about 240-250$ 1035T

I read a few places that the lowest end X6 which I'm assuming is the 1035T was gonna be $200. I thought it was interesting cause I wonder what it was gonna do to the 965's price.
03-28-2010, 03:48 PM
Glow9

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheBlueChanell

I read a few places that the lowest end X6 which I'm assuming is the 1035T was gonna be $200. I thought it was interesting cause I wonder what it was gonna do to the 965's price.

I think its kinda weird their current strategy is to keep refreshing models where they are and just adding a new core. I mean this is awesome but does anyone else feel like we're sort of in a processor hardware standstill? I can see more and more why AMD wanted to buy ATI.
03-28-2010, 04:25 PM
Sn0wm@n

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glow9

I think its kinda weird their current strategy is to keep refreshing models where they are and just adding a new core. I mean this is awesome but does anyone else feel like we're sort of in a processor hardware standstill? I can see more and more why AMD wanted to buy ATI.

at that price we cant complain,can we????
03-28-2010, 04:33 PM
[XC] Oj101

I'm sure it's because they're devoting their resources to BD?
03-28-2010, 05:49 PM
Lagg Master

Here is one set of the prices that were posted on a websites facebook page.

1090T Black Edition: 125(W), AM3 Socket, 9MB Cache, 3.2 GHz Freq @ 295 USD
1055T: 125(W), AM3 Socket, 9MB Cache, 2.8 GHz Freq @ 199 USD

Some of the other sites do show a slightly higher price but AMD said the processors would be under 300. So it looks correct to me.
03-28-2010, 07:21 PM
duron

nice! can wait to try to unlock those hidden cores :D
03-29-2010, 02:43 AM
richierich

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glow9

I think its kinda weird their current strategy is to keep refreshing models where they are and just adding a new core. I mean this is awesome but does anyone else feel like we're sort of in a processor hardware standstill? I can see more and more why AMD wanted to buy ATI.

I thought this was what was planned for them on their roadmap?
03-29-2010, 03:55 AM
ajaidev

Lets see i5 750 is around $200 so 1035T should be around $200

Next i7 860 is around $280 so the 1055T will be around $250-$280. This will not only challenge the i7 860 but also the i7 920.

Lastly the i7 930 is priced at $300 I would expect 1090T to cost around $300.
03-29-2010, 04:10 AM
N19h7m4r3

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glow9

I think its kinda weird their current strategy is to keep refreshing models where they are and just adding a new core. I mean this is awesome but does anyone else feel like we're sort of in a processor hardware standstill? I can see more and more why AMD wanted to buy ATI.

They're refreshing because most of their R&D is working on Bulldozer.

Which I really hope is able to compete clock for clock with Intel's offering, or beat it :D
03-29-2010, 10:33 AM
FlanK3r

ajaidev:yes, thats must be right
04-06-2010, 10:51 AM
FlanK3r

i heard, Thuban will with better IMC than Phenoms.
04-06-2010, 09:44 PM
Smartidiot89

Phenom II x6 1055T (2,8GHz/3,3GHz) will be priced at $199
Phenom II x6 1090T Black Edition (3,2GHz/3,6GHz) will be priced at $295

1055T (95W TDP) and 1035 (95W TDP) still MIA in terms of pricings and 1075T (3,0GHz/3,5GHz) have been delayed for Q3...
04-07-2010, 08:25 PM
namegt

biostar 890GXE AMD 6-core
See you soon will be.:D
04-07-2010, 09:07 PM
Expat GriZ

Come on namegt...stop being cruel and post up some benches!!.........(lucky dog)...especially if under cold....:D
04-07-2010, 10:11 PM
ridney

namegt, what's the point of that picture if we can't read it????
04-07-2010, 11:35 PM
V0id

Quote:

Originally Posted by ridney

namegt, what's the point of that picture if we can't read it????

To prove he has a X6 and to tease us :rofl:
04-07-2010, 11:39 PM
tool_462

Quote:

Originally Posted by ridney

namegt, what's the point of that picture if we can't read it????

To push the NDA envelope ever so softly ;)

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