Apple Files Patent Lawsuits Regarding Mobile Technology

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Originally Posted by Dailytech

HTC says in a press release that it is prepared to fight back against Apple's patent litigation in court. It has not yet filed an official response or countersued, but that should follow within a few weeks.

Apple is currently suing HTC to block the import of Android handsets into the U.S. Apple claims that it invented a host of technologies including a touch-screen finger-swipe unlock gestures, mobile object oriented graphics, and undervolting a mobile CPU via an interrupt. These somewhat vague and far-reaching patents form the basis of Apple's claims. Apple CEO Jobs released a statement casting his company as the tireless innovator and his rivals as thieves.

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Sorry if this is a repost, I figured this would have been posted but couldn't find it.

I'm a proud, satisfied owner of an iPhone but this is just ... :rofl::rofl: They really think that they invented mobile CPU undervolting? LOL! It's especially frightening that they were actually awarded this patent. Although they legitimately have these patents, I really doubt that Apple (Steve Jobs basically) believes that it will ultimately win this battle. Apple is probably aiming to scare companies from allying themselves with HTC, because of fear that it won't be able to sell handsets in the US. In the mobile market, Apple currently doesn't have any other strategy to combat HTC's newer phones because the 3rd generation iPhone isn't due until next year when AT&T's 4G infrastructure is implemented. Regardless of whatever their intentions, one thing is for certain -- these patents are BS, the lawsuit is BS, and it's all a great example of the US's aging patent system. :down:

they forgot to patent the the letter I.

Can't help but think about this youtube video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DU...layer_embedded

And its not like iphone hasn't been selling well.
Just the idea that a company owns a patent for undervolting mobile cpu, is something I do not like.

How much longer will they patent I-Taly and claim Italy. :shrug:

lol oh apple....hours of amusement.

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Originally Posted by demonkevy666

they forgot to patent the the letter I.

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I found it amusing when they got into arguments with Cisco about the trademark iPhone :D

Maybe they should patent mobile phone device running of a battery next.......

The USPTO needs a serious reform. Some of the patents they grant are beyond funny.

"touch-screen finger-swipe unlock gestures"

They patented that? Why would they do that? :confused:

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Originally Posted by Oj101

"touch-screen finger-swipe unlock gestures"

They patented that? Why would they do that? :confused:

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So that they can sue people...

*sneeze* RAMBUS *cough*

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Originally Posted by demonkevy666

they forgot to patent the the letter i.

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fixed.

So are they gonna go after Motorola (droid) and LG (enV touch) and others who have the finger swipe to unlock? Doubt it, not yet at least. HTC is smaller, so easier to pick on the little guy.

Apple is sounding more and more like rambus, and being a winy kid. And others wonder why I hate apple so much, this is just yet another reason :shakes:

Steve Jobs would sue his own mother.

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Originally Posted by demonkevy666

they forgot to patent the the letter I.

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They had a lawsuit in Australia regarding this and lost it soundly.

I am getting tired of this Apple crap... :shakes:

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Originally Posted by yngndrw

Steve Jobs would sue his own mother.

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He did because she kept on using 'Jobs,' as her second name after he copyrighted it. She countersued him though because he used her maiden name in security questions after she had copyrighted it. They settled out of court if I remember and they are still amicable but he no longer goes round every sunday for her traditional roast. And she refuses to use an i Phone instead opting for the TG02 because it is based on windows and she knows that will iritate her son when she does see him at family get togethers like christmas.

Seriously though they were allowed to patent 'finger swipe unlocking motions.' I suppose its possible to patent 'finger pronouncing :banana::banana::banana::banana: off motions' as well then is it!?

Apple, stop picking on the little guy, if you wanna sue then go ahead and sue Google. I just hope Google will help HTC with the lawsuit and sue the crap out of Apple for being such a bully :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:.

Id like to patent the word Pod.

lol the zune hd has this? why has apple not sued MS?

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Originally Posted by god_43

lol the zune hd has this? why has apple not sued MS?

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:ROTF:

I'm sure that would work out well for them.

Because Bill Gates actually has the money to stand up to Apple before he would let the company he started die.

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Originally Posted by Chris_redfield

He did because she kept on using 'Jobs,' as her second name after he copyrighted it. She countersued him though because he used her maiden name in security questions after she had copyrighted it. They settled out of court if I remember and they are still amicable but he no longer goes round every sunday for her traditional roast. And she refuses to use an i Phone instead opting for the TG02 because it is based on windows and she knows that will iritate her son when she does see him at family get togethers like christmas.

Seriously though they were allowed to patent 'finger swipe unlocking motions.' I suppose its possible to patent 'finger pronouncing :banana::banana::banana::banana: off motions' as well then is it!?

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rofl ......made me laugh

So if i patent wiping with toilet paper i can sue Steve Jobs ? :D

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Originally Posted by OutSider

So if i patent wiping with toilet paper i can sue Steve Jobs ? :D

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He doesn't have time to wipe with toilet paper - He's too busy thinking up patents.

It sucks that HTC keeps breaking the law and infringing on Apple's patents, i know companies historiclly cant help themselves but copy Apple, and in this case directly copy Apples technology

i know this forum will bizarrely misconstrue this into Somehow being apples fault (aparently its evil to protect your patent?)

Ask yourselves, if the technology is to 'stupid' and pointless', then why is HTC replicating it? hmmm....

The issue is not that Apple is protecting their patents but that the patents in question are too vague, far reaching, obvious, and/or ill-defined. All of the major corporations send in huge amounts of requests for patents on things that should not be, knowing that many should not be patentable, so that they have bargaining chips with the other corporations.

Also is generally not common for patent issues to actually go to court, as they are extremely unpredictable, and those required to make judgments seldom have any capacity to understand the issues. The most obvious purpose, to me, would intimidation, due to the extremely high cost of the legal fees.

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Originally Posted by SAL36864

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Apple isn't aiming to intimidate HTC, it's trying to intimidate potential HTC clients, partners, developers, etc.. If it can slow the growth of HTC, and it's various competitors in the mobile industry, Apple will maintain it's dominant stance in the industry with the iPhone 3G S until the third generation iPhone is released. Multitasking support, a feature previously defined by Apple as nonessential, is even being added to the iPhone this summer. This really is just foul play.

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Originally Posted by GTSRboy

It sucks that HTC keeps breaking the law and infringing on Apple's patents, i know companies historiclly cant help themselves but copy Apple, and in this case directly copy Apples technology

i know this forum will bizarrely misconstrue this into Somehow being apples fault (aparently its evil to protect your patent?)

Ask yourselves, if the technology is to 'stupid' and pointless', then why is HTC replicating it? hmmm....

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Maybe you should read the patents first. Aparrently google, microsoft, lg, motorolla and others r infringing on apples patents... why isn't apple sueing them??

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Originally Posted by yngndrw

He doesn't have time to wipe with toilet paper - He's too busy thinking up patents.

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He'll just create a new brand and call it iSH**

I don't know how many English(not to mention the old English) word starts with I, so I'll just guess Apple has just accomplished 0.08% from their iThings/iNames-to-sue wishlist.:shocked:

AATW!:up:

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Originally Posted by dietwaterrr

why isn't apple sueing them??

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Steve Jobs has personally commented companies should expect further law suits from Apple, and the company as a whole knows that of they were to file that many law suits in such a short period of time it would immediatley be labeled a rambus equivalent. And again, it comes back to intimidating primarily the developers not the actual company.

He look guys, it's the new Apple iSue:
http://www.lovegeek.net/blog/wp-cont...ipad-touch.jpg

It's basically a touch screen interface for online patent applications. It means that you can patent stuff anywhere where you have a Wi-Fi connection, such as while you're on the toilet.

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Originally Posted by yngndrw

He look guys, it's the new Apple iSue:
http://www.lovegeek.net/blog/wp-cont...ipad-touch.jpg

It's basically a touch screen interface for online patent applications. It means that you can patent stuff anywhere where you have a Wi-Fi connection, such as while you're on the toilet.

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Brilliant! :rofl:

I patented breathing. So either pay up or go drown somewhere! :rofl:

i can think of a finger gesture for jobs

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Originally Posted by GTSRboy

It sucks that HTC keeps breaking the law and infringing on Apple's patents, i know companies historiclly cant help themselves but copy Apple, and in this case directly copy Apples technology

i know this forum will bizarrely misconstrue this into Somehow being apples fault (apparently its evil to protect your patent?)

Ask yourselves, if the technology is to 'stupid' and pointless', then why is HTC replicating it? hmmm....

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but this is not about that. htc is one of the best handset makers out there, and a great company. they were making phones long before apple was! gestures cant be patented (should not be), i mean its practically human nature. do you think apple should have won against MS back in the 90's? apple tried to claim the concept of a GUI as their own? apple lost that case and it will lose this one! but they don't intend to go to court, this is just politics, and htc is caught in the middle.

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Originally Posted by bill_d

i can think of a finger gesture for jobs

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:rofl:

Anyone else notice that it is a Apple US issue (ie. not the rest of the world). To me this is only a tell tale sign that there's somehing FUBAR about US patent legislation.

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Originally Posted by god_43

gestures cant be patented (should not be)

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It's like trying to patent Control+S for saving.

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Originally Posted by yngndrw

He look guys, it's the new Apple iSue:
http://www.lovegeek.net/blog/wp-cont...ipad-touch.jpg

It's basically a touch screen interface for online patent applications. It means that you can patent stuff anywhere where you have a Wi-Fi connection, such as while you're on the toilet.

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Should be named iClaim then... :p:

But you can buy the iSue add-on for just a little extra... :D

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Originally Posted by Hornet331

But you can buy the iSue add-on for just a little extra... :D

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Now you're thinking like Mr Jobs. :D

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Originally Posted by GTSRboy

It sucks that HTC keeps breaking the law and infringing on Apple's patents, i know companies historiclly cant help themselves but copy Apple, and in this case directly copy Apples technology

i know this forum will bizarrely misconstrue this into Somehow being apples fault (aparently its evil to protect your patent?)

Ask yourselves, if the technology is to 'stupid' and pointless', then why is HTC replicating it? hmmm....

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I guess you haven't read most of the patents that Apple is using against HTC? Here's a nice breakdown of all the patents involved: http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/a...ent-breakdown/

That includes things like: "Patent #7,383,453: Conserving Power By Reducing Voltage Supplied To An Instruction-Processing Portion Of A Processor

Another deeply technical patent, granted in 2008. On reading the claims, we're going to hazard a guess and say it covers powering down a processor when told to sleep, but this sort of patent is exactly why this litigation will take years and require many hearing to determine exactly what's covered."
That's basically a law of nature, they just patented P = V²/R.
You should not be able to patent: "Making opening a door easier by reducing the mass of the door, thereby reducing the amount of force needed to swing open the door." That a law of nature and not something you should be able to patent.

Or how about this patent: "Patent #5,455,599: Object-Oriented Graphic System

This is the oldest patent of the bunch, issued in 1995. (You can really get a sense for how Apple's counsel has changed the way it writes patents over time by reading all of these, by the way. The older ones are really quite terse.) Again, it's technical to the point where we don't feel comfortable saying exactly what it means, but it covers building graphics objects with a processor and outputting them through various means. Given the fact that this predates Steve Jobs' return to Apple, we'd say this one was thrown in because Apple's lawyers think it's particularly strong, not because it has something to do with phones specifically."
That basically includes pretty much every single computer related system that has a display, even the PC at the cash register in your local supermarket for example. A bit odd that they'd get this patent in 1995, getting a patent for something that is being used by quite a lot of companies is a bit like getting a patent for the wheel in this day and age.

This is the patent many of you already mentioned: "Patent #7,657,849: Unlocking A Device By Performing Gestures On An Unlock Image

This one's cute 'cause it's brand new -- seriously, it was just granted on February 2. It's almost exactly what it says on the tin: it covers unlocking a touchscreen device by moving an unlock image. It's broad enough for us to say that it covers virtually every unlock behavior we've seen on phones, not just the iPhone's slide-to-unlock implementation."
It was granted this February the 2nd. It seems a bit odd that this patent was even granted, but that has already been mentioned by a few others in this thread.

Just read up on the other patents if you will. You'll probably come to the conclusion that at least half of these patents should not have been granted and that most of these patents are too vague. To me this seems like a pretty risky move by Apple, as Apple will most likely loose most of these patents in the process. That said, Apple only need one patent that's considered to be violated by HTC to succeed, unless HTC can prove that Apple is violating one of their patents.

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Originally Posted by GTSRboy

It sucks that HTC keeps breaking the law and infringing on Apple's patents, i know companies historiclly cant help themselves but copy Apple, and in this case directly copy Apples technology

i know this forum will bizarrely misconstrue this into Somehow being apples fault (aparently its evil to protect your patent?)

Ask yourselves, if the technology is to 'stupid' and pointless', then why is HTC replicating it? hmmm....

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1) using a GESTURE to unlock (if I turn my wrist to unlock my goddam front door with my key thats a gesture as well)

2) "mobile object oriented graphics" Its called ICON's and Shortcuts for gods sake.

3) undervolting a mobile CPU via an interrupt

there was a application floating around about .... 6-7 years ago when i first entered the world of Computers that would "cool down your CPU", it did so by every so often firing off a interrupt to the CPU. Thats not inovation !


None of the aforementioned patents are a stroke of brilliance or patent worty, in most cases its been done before they did and almost all of'm are obvious as hell and SHOULD NOT be patentable.

As someone said before me, If I patent a technique to clean my ass after taking a dump, by means of swiping a piece of toiletpaper across it, then I can sue you all ?

off course not !

Apple = Innovators????

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Talk about how much they copied from Nokia and LG.

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Originally Posted by GTSRboy

It sucks that HTC keeps breaking the law and infringing on Apple's patents, i know companies historiclly cant help themselves but copy Apple, and in this case directly copy Apples technology

i know this forum will bizarrely misconstrue this into Somehow being apples fault (aparently its evil to protect your patent?)

Ask yourselves, if the technology is to 'stupid' and pointless', then why is HTC replicating it? hmmm....

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Obvious troll is obvious....

Sry but i can't see how someone can be blinded by company loyalty this much... it has to be a troll post... :shocked:

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Originally Posted by GTSRboy

It sucks that HTC keeps breaking the law and infringing on Apple's patents, i know companies historiclly cant help themselves but copy Apple, and in this case directly copy Apples technology

i know this forum will bizarrely misconstrue this into Somehow being apples fault (aparently its evil to protect your patent?)

Ask yourselves, if the technology is to 'stupid' and pointless', then why is HTC replicating it? hmmm....

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You go ahead and enjoy that overpriced sub-vga POS. These patents are a joke. Its like patenting drinking thru a straw.



Now if apple wants to protect its assets they should really look into patenting "Cracked or broken screens on a handheld device"

No one has yet to see the real problem here: the patent system. This is why i will vote for the Pirate Party this year.

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Originally Posted by GTSRboy

It sucks that HTC keeps breaking the law and infringing on Apple's patents, i know companies historiclly cant help themselves but copy Apple, and in this case directly copy Apples technology

i know this forum will bizarrely misconstrue this into Somehow being apples fault (aparently its evil to protect your patent?)

Ask yourselves, if the technology is to 'stupid' and pointless', then why is HTC replicating it? hmmm....

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please say this is a joke?

Okay, this is getting a bit ridiculous... GTSR Boy's post has been quoted not one or two times, but seven. Is that really necessary?

Although I agree for the most part with what you guys said in response to his post, you do have to give Apple credit for putting everything together in an attractive platform and in such a way that hadn't ever been truly done before. Essentially Apple combined the best of the best, with just a couple original ideas here and there, and assembled in a lucrative form factor. It was and is very easy to use, and therefore attracts the masses. GTSR Boy is also right on the money that Apple is in fact just protecting its patents, which it has the right do so. (Though it is laughable that they would file such ridiculous patents, the hand gesture patent is especially ridiculous.)

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Originally Posted by Eson

No one has yet to see the real problem here: the patent system.

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Well, I did kinda of allude to that in my OP and so did Helmore.

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Although I agree for the most part with what you guys said in response to his post, you do have to give Apple credit for putting everything together in an attractive platform and in such a way that hadn't ever been truly done before. Essentially Apple combined the best of the best, with just a couple original ideas here and there, and assembled in a lucrative form factor. It was and is very easy to use, and therefore attracts the masses. GTSR Boy is also right on the money that Apple is in fact just protecting its patents, which it has the right do so. (Though it is laughable that they would file such ridiculous patents, the hand gesture patent is especially ridiculous.)

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:rofl::rofl::rofl:

hehehe patent wars begins

Now if only Nokia had patented integrated camera phones, and LG had patented touch screen phones, and Samsung had patented MP3 player phones ..... :rolleyes:

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Anyone who accuses other companies of copying Apple has to be incredibly braindead.

Oh, and the worlds first internet phone? That one was by Nokia too it seems. Damn,were they drunk when they decided not to patent that?

Nowadays, Apple pretty much act as though they invented all of these :ROTF:

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Originally Posted by ReverendMaynard

He'll just create a new brand and call it iSH**

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And then he'll sue Andrex for stealing his new patented apple shaped loo roll texture.

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Okay, this is getting a bit ridiculous... GTSR Boy's post has been quoted not one or two times, but seven. Is that really necessary?

Although I agree for the most part with what you guys said in response to his post, you do have to give Apple credit for putting everything together in an attractive platform and in such a way that hadn't ever been truly done before. Essentially Apple combined the best of the best, with just a couple original ideas here and there, and assembled in a lucrative form factor. It was and is very easy to use, and therefore attracts the masses. GTSR Boy is also right on the money that Apple is in fact just protecting its patents, which it has the right do so. (Though it is laughable that they would file such ridiculous patents, the hand gesture patent is especially ridiculous.)

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WRONG, apple is trying desperately to crush htc before it completely takes over its market. HTC is the only manufacture out right now thats gaining enough momentum to plow right through apple and it scares them and thats why they are only going after htc. Apple likes to patent wildly outrageous things that should never be granted a patent in order to suppress all competition. It has nothing to do with protecting some tech that apple toiled over in R&D, its apples way of legally running a monopoly in the smartphone market.

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WRONG, apple is trying desperately to crush htc before it completely takes over its market. HTC is the only manufacture out right now thats gaining enough momentum to plow right through apple and it scares them and thats why they are only going after htc. Apple likes to patent wildly outrageous things that should never be granted a patent in order to suppress all competition. It has nothing to do with protecting some tech that apple toiled over in R&D, its apples way of legally running a monopoly in the smartphone market.

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I disagree. They're just doing it for the publicity, and to fuel the Apple fundamentalists with a stronger sense of belief that Apple created everything.

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Originally Posted by bhavv

Now if only Nokia had patented integrated camera phones, and LG had patented touch screen phones, and Samsung had patented MP3 player phones ..... :rolleyes:

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Anyone who accuses other companies of copying Apple has to be incredibly braindead.

Oh, and the worlds first internet phone? That one was by Nokia too it seems. Damn,were they drunk when they decided not to patent that?

Nowadays, Apple pretty much act as though they invented all of these :ROTF:

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If Apple can go back and patent old tech, those companies should be able to patent their tech as well. If they were successful I could only imagine the hit apple would take. Lets see how many iphones sold using those 4 techs?

OTOH I am very glad that apple created a way to unlock my phone. Without that, I would have to just turn it off every time I put it in my pocket. Also, I didnt see mention of powering down the CPU of a mobile device specifically so wouldnt this be the same as C1E or whatever its called in my bios options on my desktop? Whoever invented that should be able to repel that patent.

The funniest thing that I found was back when I got an LG Arena KM900 (Just sold it and got a Chocolate BL20 because I need a phone with buttons), every apple fan was attacking LG for copying the Iphone .....

Erm, hello, my name is the LG Prada, and I invented touch screen only phones :rolleyes:.

LG were going to sue Apple over the Iphone being a copy of the Prada, but they decided not to, and nowadays it is somehow LG that are copying Apple :rofl: