Thuban II X6 comes as a Phenom 1000-series "With pretty slides"

"As we have learned from an anonymous source, the 6-Kerner, code-named "Thuban" in the Phenom 1000-Series II X6 appear. Wie aus einem Dokument, das ATi-Forum.de vorliegt, hervorgeht, wird es zum Start drei Modelle namens Phenom II X6 1035, Phenom II X6 1055 und Phenom II X6 1075 mit einer TDP von 95 Watt bzw. 125 Watt erscheinen. As a document, there is the ATi-Forum.de showing, it will appear to launch three models II X6 named Phenom 1035, Phenom 1055 and Phenom II X6 II X6 1075 a TDP of 95 watts and 125 watts."

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Nice nice slides :D dont get hyped up about the cache its total not L3 :(

EDIT: Where the hell are the 140w thuban's?? :(

"Tri-Core: Do More than Dual Core"

Now that's catchy. What, did they have an engineer come up with that one? :)

April 26th will be a good day for AM2+ guys like me. Upgrade time!

higher models (140W) coming later, maybe at Juli-August.

im hoping these arent cold-bugged also. six-cores at 7GHz w/ LHe;
sampsa/chew*/SF3D/dedal needs to go head-to-head, -250C overclocking showdown! :up::up::up:

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Originally Posted by Particle

"Tri-Core: Do More than Dual Core"

Now that's catchy. What, did they have an engineer come up with that one? :)

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If I recall correctly, Intel launched the original Core 2 Duos with the following tagline: "Dual Core. Do More." So this here appers to be some sort of pun, i believe. :D
Here's the only remainder I found: http://www.dell.com/content/topics/s...=us&l=en&cs=19
Sound familiar now? :D

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Originally Posted by Mechromancer

April 26th will be a good day for AM2+ guys like me. Upgrade time!

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I'm in the same boat as you Mech. I cannot wait, will be my last pc upgrade for a long time.

All depends on price to performance though, compared to my current 940 :p:

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Originally Posted by ajaidev

EDIT: Where the hell are the 140w thuban's?? :(

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there are no 140W thuban's don't always believe the fud. btw those slides are 3 months old, but i guess now they are cut paste by some people from the nda docs, that is also the reason why there is no actual speed on the docs, since it wasn't there only on recent slides it is available.

I'm now left wondering why Cache difference is so small between 4 core and 6 core phenom.

maybe this is part of the strategy to keep it @ 125W

Not sure about their marketing... But I like the product line-up numbers used. Quite simple, and makes sense. :up:

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Originally Posted by Dimitriman

I'm now left wondering why Cache difference is so small between 4 core and 6 core phenom.

maybe this is part of the strategy to keep it @ 125W

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Add 2 x L1 + L2 to a quad-core. L3 remains the same I guess. ;)

so AM2+ supports Thuban with a bios upgrade?

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Originally Posted by Shadov

Add 2 x L1 + L2 to a quad-core. L3 remains the same I guess. ;)

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humm I guess my brain skipped a beat there.

Would like to see the clock speeds, most likely the highest one would be clocked at 2.8Ghz at 125W for now. Would want a 3Ghz Black Edition, though that will have to wait for a while.

is amd doing another revision like some rumors want us to believe... C4 revision?????

This is looking good, I hope the price will be reasonable.

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Originally Posted by Sn0wm@n

is amd doing another revision like some rumors want us to believe... C4 revision?????

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If my memory serves me well, Thuban is supposed to be D0.

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Originally Posted by marten_larsson

If my memory serves me well, Thuban is supposed to be D0.

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If what JF said is true then Thuban is Rev. Ex because of silicon changes.

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Originally Posted by Shadov

Add 2 x L1 + L2 to a quad-core. L3 remains the same I guess. ;)

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L1:128kb x2=256kb
L2:512kb x2=1024

The picture says there is only 1024kb difference (9mb vs 8mb),
guess they skipped the L1 count or broke their calculator :D

They never count L1 anymore. They used to on older generation a64 boxes though.

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Originally Posted by SocketMan

L1:128kb x2=256kb
L2:512kb x2=1024

The picture says there is only 1024kb difference (9mb vs 8mb),
guess they skipped the L1 count or broke their calculator :D

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Yes, they skipped the L1 cache. And X4 900T processors are actually X6 1000T processors with 2 disabled cores (L3 remain unaffected), I suppose.

Ya i think in X4 900T the T stands for Thuban.

Maybe its a clue for the ppl that you maybe able to unlock this in to 6 cores.

So if I am understanding this correctly, Thuban will perform the same as Denab clock for clock but has the advantage of 2 more threads (as well as being on a smaller process I take ) Also has there been any word on potential price points thus far? ( I haven't been keeping up to this )

Thuban will be 45nm and its the same thing as i7 920 vs i7 980x other than that.

Thuban and Deneb are different architectures but Thuban does have similarities to it.
Gulftown and Bloomfield are different architectures but Gulftown does have similarities to it.

For your application and core question just look at any i7 980x review the applications where it performs much better than the i7 quad at same clock is where the added cores are being used it will a similar case for Thuban.

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Originally Posted by ajaidev

Ya i think in X4 900T the T stands for Thuban.

Maybe its a clue for the ppl that you maybe able to unlock this in to 6 cores.

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or turbo :confused:

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Originally Posted by Lightman

If what JF said is true then Thuban is Rev. Ex because of silicon changes.

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Istanbul is D0. However, Istanbul is a different node than any of the consumer products, so you shouldn't count on sequential numbering.

When they were on the same node C3 meant the same thing (at the high level) for Shanghai and whatever the desktop equivalent was.

But once we split, the numbering schemes no longer reflect each other.

Magny Cours and Lisbon are D1 silicon.

what clockspeeds are we talking here?
And is there going to be something similar to Intel's Turbomode ?

But does X6 are supported by am2+?if yes...than thank you amd, i'm gonna upgrade too :D

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Originally Posted by SubZero.it

But does X6 are supported by am2+?if yes...than thank you amd, i'm gonna upgrade too :D

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It'd better be able to run on AM2+ board. I got my fingers crossed

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Originally Posted by ajaidev

Thuban will be 45nm and its the same thing as i7 920 vs i7 980x other than that.

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i7-980x is made on another production process. Unlike i7's, the PII x6 and PII x4are going to be produced on the same production process.

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Thuban and Deneb are different architectures but Thuban does have similarities to it.

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Thuban and Deneb have the same architecture. Thuban will have some parts of the logic redesigned due to the functionality requirements of the extra 2 cores.(just like the i7-980x)

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Gulftown and Bloomfield are different architectures but Gulftown does have similarities to it.

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They have exactly the same architecture, but Gulftown has few parts of the logic redesigned(like the L3) and upgraded (like the microcode).

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For your application and core question just look at any i7 980x review the applications where it performs much better than the i7 quad at same clock is where the added cores are being used it will a similar case for Thuban.

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I think that the performance difference in these apps, between a same clocked PII x4 and PII x6 is going to be bigger than the difference between Bloomfield and Gulftown. Due to software limitations(capability of using the available threads), the performance benefits of the additional threads are going to be deminished.

Anyway, we need PII x6 clocked at 3GHz or more. Otherwise it would be like a doungrade for those who already have 3.2/3.4GHz PII x4 in their systems.

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Originally Posted by gOJDO

i7-980x is made on another production process. Unlike i7's, the PII x6 and PII x4are going to be produced on the same production process.

Thuban and Deneb have the same architecture. Thuban will have some parts of the logic redesigned due to the functionality requirements of the extra 2 cores.(just like the i7-980x)

They have exactly the same architecture, but Gulftown has few parts of the logic redesigned(like the L3) and upgraded (like the microcode).

I think that the performance difference in these apps, between a same clocked PII x4 and PII x6 is going to be bigger than the difference between Bloomfield and Gulftown. Due to software limitations(capability of using the available threads), the performance benefits of the additional threads are going to be deminished.

Anyway, we need PII x6 clocked at 3GHz or more. Otherwise it would be like a doungrade for those who already have 3.2/3.4GHz PII x4 in their systems.

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Thats what i said other than manufacture process used x4 9xx and x6 1xxx are similar to i7 9x0 and i7 980x that being the added 2 cores.

The silicon is changed its not the exact same architecture as Deneb. Addition of Turbo is also made such thing influence the architecture in no small way.

i7 980x has a nehalem arc not a Bloomfield one. Again the addition of AES IN booster and the fact that its a 32nm means it also is not the same exact arc as the Bloomfield.

Since Thuban is a new silicon i expect it to perform better than Istanbul in several instances but allready i7 980x has all ready shown very good scalability and idk how much better can thuban do.

Thuban will perform better because consumer parts always have higher clocks than server parts. We have a different characterization.

I'm sure some sites will have a clock-for-clock comparison between a X4 9xx and a X4 9xxT and we will find out.

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Originally Posted by JF-AMD

Thuban will perform better because consumer parts always have higher clocks than server parts. We have a different characterization.

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Did the Istanbul chips top out at 2.6ghz? Then we should know 2.8 is a given, and 3.0ghz is possible. I would love to see if this "turbo feature" is true and how it works. I am excited to see some info soon. Oh, sdid Magny-cours officially launch? I haven't seen any info on it floating around.

Istanbul Opties top out at 2.8Ghz today ;).

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Originally Posted by informal

Istanbul Opties top out at 2.8Ghz today ;).

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Oh yeah, I forgot about the 105 watt SE models. Well, we should see some higher clocked ones then.

@ajaidev
Some minor tweaks, few basic features and extra two cores are not making Thuban and Gulftown a new architectures over Deneb and Bloomfield (respectively). Their cores, pipelines, execution units, buffers, prefetchers, OoO engines, core caches, predictors and etc. are the same. So, it's the same architecture, just like all the K8 variants: 130, 90 and 65nm: s754 with single channel DDR ODMC, s939 with dual channel DDR ODMC and with and without SSE3, dual core s939, sAM2.
A different architecture is for example K10 over K8, or Nehalem over Penryn.

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Originally Posted by JF-AMD

Thuban will perform better because consumer parts always have higher clocks than server parts. We have a different characterization.

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OK, so should we consider:
PII x6-1095: 3.2GHz/140W TDP
PII x6-1075: 3.0GHz/125W TDP
PII x6-1055: 2.8GHz/125W TDP
PII x6-1035: 2.6GHz/95W TDP * (EDIT: fixed)
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Originally Posted by gOJDO

OK, so should we consider:
PII x6-1095: 3.2GHz/140W TDP
PII x6-1075: 3.0GHz/125W TDP
PII x6-1055: 2.8GHz/125W TDP
PII x6-1075: 2.6GHz/95W TDP
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I can see that being the case. Not to far out of reach. Thought your model numbers look strange though, 1075 2.6 and 1075 3.0 :p:.

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Originally Posted by charged3800z24

I can see that being the case. Not to far out of reach. Thought your model numbers look strange though, 1075 2.6 and 1075 3.0 :p:.

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I copy-pasted it :D Now, it's fixed.

I thought there weren't plans for a 140w chip?

I want that 1075. Would be pretty nice for folding. And if its a black edition then defiantly. I know it would be better than my current Phenom II x3 720 BE I have clocked at 3.4 but the biggest variable for me is the Price. As I plan if the price is right to get the MSI 870A GD60 Hydra and if the price is right I would also consider getting a 1075. Otherwise Im getting a mobo and waiting for the Bulldozers but even the mobo is a variable is i can figure out if MSI will put anything better out with the Hydra for the Bulldozers.

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Originally Posted by Oj101

I thought there weren't plans for a 140w chip?

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Not for launch. That doesn't mean they can't release one later on. Doesn't mean they will though.

i hope they release a 140W version, its more money in their pocket for the same size chip and lets them compete with intel just that much more. i could see quantity being the first thing to figure out if only a few chips can reach that bin. i think once we see the volts and clocks and actual power draw, we can guess with better accuracy.

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Originally Posted by gOJDO

i7-980x is made on another production process. Unlike i7's, the PII x6 and PII x4are going to be produced on the same production process.

Thuban and Deneb have the same architecture. Thuban will have some parts of the logic redesigned due to the functionality requirements of the extra 2 cores.(just like the i7-980x)

They have exactly the same architecture, but Gulftown has few parts of the logic redesigned(like the L3) and upgraded (like the microcode).

I think that the performance difference in these apps, between a same clocked PII x4 and PII x6 is going to be bigger than the difference between Bloomfield and Gulftown. Due to software limitations(capability of using the available threads), the performance benefits of the additional threads are going to be deminished.

Anyway, we need PII x6 clocked at 3GHz or more. Otherwise it would be like a doungrade for those who already have 3.2/3.4GHz PII x4 in their systems.

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Thank you very much :) As much as I figured.

T is as Turbo(turbocore). Example, Phenom II X4 960T is codename Zosma, not Thuban. And Phenom II X6 1055T is codename Thuban.

might get the 1035T for a HTPC/Video conversion server build if power usage is low enough

but if its priced at $350 phenom x6 would be awesome

If mobo makers dont update bios that's half of their buyer's gone.Not everyone will trade a p2 x4 for p2 x6 if they have to change whole platform.

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Originally Posted by Vozer

I'm sure some sites will have a clock-for-clock comparison between a X4 9xx and a X4 9xxT and we will find out.

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Clock for clock, they would perform equally. There is no doubt about that. Both have same architecture and same L3 cache size

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Originally Posted by gOJDO

@ajaidev
Some minor tweaks, few basic features and extra two cores are not making Thuban and Gulftown a new architectures over Deneb and Bloomfield (respectively). Their cores, pipelines, execution units, buffers, prefetchers, OoO engines, core caches, predictors and etc. are the same. So, it's the same architecture, just like all the K8 variants: 130, 90 and 65nm: s754 with single channel DDR ODMC, s939 with dual channel DDR ODMC and with and without SSE3, dual core s939, sAM2.
A different architecture is for example K10 over K8, or Nehalem over Penryn.

OK, so should we consider:
PII x6-1095: 3.2GHz/140W TDP
PII x6-1075: 3.0GHz/125W TDP
PII x6-1055: 2.8GHz/125W TDP
PII x6-1035: 2.6GHz/95W TDP * (EDIT: fixed)
?

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It was supposed that PIIx6 1095T to be 2.8GHz part

Yeah, I want to see at least a 3Ghz X6 stock chip, with a Black Edition of course. And I wonder what the full speed of the CPU is when turbo boost is enabled. These AMD chips sound sweet already.

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Originally Posted by dartaz

Clock for clock, they would perform equally. There is no doubt about that. Both have same architecture and same L3 cache size

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Except the cache is shared, so there may be some incremental improvement in lightly threaded situations as there will be more effective cache available.

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Originally Posted by JumpingJack

Except the cache is shared, so there may be some incremental improvement in lightly threaded situations as there will be more effective cache available.

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What do you mean by the shared cache. As far as I understand PI x6 will have the same amount of L3 like PII x4. Are there any improvements or new caching method implemented in PII x6?

maybe...we will see 26.4. :)

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Originally Posted by FlanK3r

maybe...we will see 26.4. :)

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I need a switch at the back of my head to turn me off for over one month :p:

Seriously though, I'm looking forward to my new CPU! It will be good upgrade for me because lately I'm doing some video editing and recompressing. Also more and more games are starting to use 2+ cores which is good!

Besides, new toy to play with is always a good thing (no matter performance)!

Hopefully, we'll get more info soon.

I just found out my old M3A78-EM is AM3 capable, which would rock and give me an excuse to move my 945 to that rig and go Thuban if it does do am2+. It just depends on price, performance, and OC'ability.

If my locked 945 will have a higher OC than the Thuban, forget it.