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Nvidia said 6-12 months, its less than 2-3 months if this road map is true. Nvidia were the hell is the GTX380???
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Nvidia said 6-12 months, its less than 2-3 months if this road map is true. Nvidia were the hell is the GTX380???
DirectX 11 alone doesnt a good game make.
it should make a good game like battle forge greatQuote:
Originally Posted by AAbenson
Nvidia are basically right in saying you wont be seeing DX11 games for about a year. The ones before then are basically the exception to that rule. Even some of those ones are basically DX10 games with a little extra zing.
according to nvidia, its only 4 weeks away... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ajaidev
but seriously... i see 5 games on that roadmap... just because an engine is supposed somethin in 2010, doesnt mean we are going to see games with that engine in 2010... its most likely like this: engine devs said they will have dx11 in their latest engine within 2010, which is most likely the end of 2010 or at least the second half. then games can be developed based on the engine, which takes at least half a year so we are easily in 2011 to see a lot of dx11 games.
and amd bashed nvidia for their physix pr stuff, that their games are only B or C titles and not major titles... well then what is this please?
the games they mention are B at best, no potential A titles at all...
gah! STFU with this marketing nonsense already, both ati and nvidia!
you want to show us how important dx11 is? then bring it on and show us retail dx11 games or at least release some dx11 game demos in cooperation with the game devs! and the same for nvidia and their physix campaign! :mad:
give us something... NOW... im sure im speaking for most of us if i say we are tired of promises and claims and constant "news" that aim at disrediting the competition. use that energy to actually do something useful and support your customers! instead of showing how the competition sucks and does things wrong, do something good and right that helps your customers! dont try to break what the competition has built, focus on what you are building and do it better!
why aint crysis 2 on the roadmap ?
dirt 2 is an A and the frost bite engine is going to be the battlefield heroes 2 and 1943 pack, then trinigy is going to be assassins creed 2 and the new POP (but POP is way out)
i dont think so... assesins creed2 is coming out in a few weeks... if it would be dx11 you could bet you 4ss it would be on that list :D
its 10.1...
Im looking forward to DX11 AvP. Always been such a huge Alien and Predator fan. Doom3 was pretty scary is a wickedly creepy way but AvP can just be straight up freaky scary if its done right. Thats it man, game over!
im pretty sure that its going to be patched, what game is on the uniengineQuote:
Originally Posted by saaya
Oooh I recently got Dungeons and Dragon's Online. The game has some DX10 features. The lighting is good and water also.
So for a free game to get some DX11 love = win.
Although I'm still on 10.1 hardware here :(
yes, but thats it, its patched... like most games... so it can probably give us a couple extra fps, but no tesselation or more complex shader codes, no improved physics or ai via direct compute or opencl etc etc. its cool that we see a lot of games PATCHED to dx11, but i wonder how useful it us...
if 4aa is fine but 8aa stutters... having it patched to dx11 will give the game a performance boost, but how much?
enough to then be able to play it at 8aa, ie, the next higher resolution or setting? i doubt it... so whats the point really?
what dx11 can do that REALLY makes a diference is tesselation and direct compute/open cl, and more complex shader code...
and i dont think we will see any of this in major titles in 2010... but hey, id love to be wrong! :D
i think ati should focus less on this pr battle with dx11 and more on performance and features like eye finity...
nvidia will have dx11 as well, and even if they are only 10.1 i dont think most people would really care as long as performance and price/perf is there...
Without Windows kernel WDDM 2.1 drivers support we get no performance boost or extra stability from D3D11 cards.
Though WDDM 2.x and above is totally incompatible with any D3D9 and below cards.
Windows 7 only supports WDDM 1.1 drivers.
The only extra part of D3D11 we might see in games is tessellation.
ATI already supports tessellation with old D3D10 cards.
Though there are programing ways to get tessellation effects equally fast with WDDM 1.x even from D3D9ex cards or Nvidia's D3D10 cards.
It depends whether nvidia will support this way of programming to get equally good and fast tessellation effects from any Windows 7 compatible card.
I think not, since Nvidia is going to release Fermi based D3D11 cards in a few months.
win7 does NOT support and will NOT support wddm 2.x drivers? :eek: :shock:
Oh I understand that patches can only give us a small boost.Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
I agree about eyefinity also. It's something I shall actually use.
The main reason I am not upgrading from my x2 is simply that I have no need.
I can run anything i want smoothly at 1920x1200 and since DX11 isn't being used to build games from the group yet I'll be on my X2 for quite some time.
i thought that the actual desktop manager/windows effects only used 1.1 features and did not limit the graphics driver as 2.0 is needed for dx10 and 2.1 for 10.1.
win7 even has warp built in and that uses a system driver in 2.1 to emulate its features from a 1.1 or 2.0 driver
Tbh nvidia is kinda half right... 4 games in the next 4/5 months (battleforge doesnt even really count... then all the others are tba.... (and they will be the good ones ... ok dirt 2 will be epic but yea)
All D3D10 cards support directcompute και multi threading.
AVP AVP AVP and Dirt2 will be great. 2 A's out of the proposed B titles on the list, I'll take that Average any day..especially over batman and mirror's edge.
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thats pc gaming dieng baby nothing to do with dx 11 :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamesrt2004
stalker is A imho except battleforge which i believe has its own fans either all three games are decent not that Pc gaming will get any better than thisQuote:
Originally Posted by kadozer
2 A listed games coming out this year, and one in Q1 '10, and some of you arent pleased?
Bring on DX11!
Pretty sure LotRO won't have tessellation, since the game is out for a year already...
Same for DnDO which is out for... 3 or 4 years? Looks pretty ugly if you ask me.
Also 3 of these are just engines, not games.
Well, not bad I guess.
what in the world do you need 380gtx for?:shrug:you own a drive-in size monitor?Quote:
Originally Posted by ajaidev
or just to benchmark get high scores :yepp:?
what makes this site correct on the dates btw?
notice the ati/amd ads lol the chec grmers site may be WAY OFF no?
its a bash nv news section witch leaves out another section to read at xs
Not hard to confirm yourself :rolleyes: Look up all the developer game sites your answers are all there. Can you google?Quote:
Originally Posted by cowie
Yaa why would people buy 5850 x2/5870 x2/GTX 380 such stupid bunch of people. Amm why do they crossfire/SLi cards anyways :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by cowie
Huh 5870 costs $349 and 5870 x2 is suppose to cost $500-$600 means one can save $100 and electricity instead of 5870 Crossfire. Why did i buy a 6800 GT instead of a 6600 GT??? You have opened my eyes :shocked: My stupid new 19 inch 1080P deserves a 6200 so that i can play amm Quake 3 "1080P" on it :rolleyes:
If people considered those A titles, what do people consider games like half life, civilization or hell, even crysis?
near death experiences :DQuote:
Originally Posted by tajoh111
lol oh sry your so right about the dates it said ATI2-3monthsAMD...wait let me run out and get vista+ A 400DOLLAR card to get the whole game and its dx11 glory and just wait till those games come out wait by then knowing ati and its deprecation the card will be worth only 300DOLLAR :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by kadozer
first off ayone who has run out and gets a few 5870's does it cus there crasy gamers or benchmarkers and need to have the lastest and greatest to keep up with the jones's(that dont make you a bad guy btw),maybe the 3x 4890's they had before were too running slow..nah:DQuote:
Originally Posted by ajaidev
as for the 58x2 being cheaper that only means that its slower than 5870 in cf,maybe clock speeds or something idk or care about it,what wont a 295 or 48x2 run?thats why you need dx11 or phx to sell with.
i really think you bought a 68gt because you could not afford an ultra and was just as good:)
i was broke back then so i ran 68 nu in sli,it beat my ultra np,but i was only playing m.o.h AA,you know thats when most people were clueless on if the game was gpu or cpu dependant;) although things were pure for gaming then not selling out left and right like today come on some games have ads in them:(.
as for now with little :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:es worried about getting every frame for crysis and fc2 upgradeing for a crappy games like most of the dx11 games we be, its feeding right into there hands
hell if they came out with a game that really sufferd from:it sucked on playablity,low frames on top end gear,badly coded/loaded with bugs then dropping support for it! BUT if it looked great like a frecking picture it would sell cus all the punk ass :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:es would hypit it up like the second coming,to the point that even people who should know better are taking for a ride.
A+ and A++ not to mention A+++ :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by tajoh111
They just can't win, can they? AMD says some games are coming in 3-6 months. nVidia says games are a year out. AMD lists A titles that are out this same year or early the next as proof, and some people go "Oh, no, that doesn't count."
Morrowind when modded can bring my GTX280 to it's knees, same with Oblivion, FO3, Stalker, Darkplaces (Quake 1), do I need to go on? Go and play your unmodded console ports on your 8800gt if it makes you feel better about yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by cowie
spot onQuote:
Originally Posted by tajoh111
ha ha yep but all they have to do with a sucky "A" game is to put a naked chick on the cover and every level she gives you a bj its an A++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ title after that.
@ bbb
like i said make a crappy game look good it it will sell and they will mod it
Ironic Nvidia was sure whoring out the 8800 series exactly for these same reasons for DX10. But when the little guy comes back and has something new to meet DX11 well it's just not needed. I'm sure glad we saw so much come of DX10 oh wait I'm still waiting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Motiv
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Originally Posted by ajaidev
It's AMD leaked slide, what ads did you expext to see on them?Quote:
Originally Posted by cowie
Beside you can try out the EA Phenomic "BatleForge" for free now.
This pretty much sums up your post. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by cowie
It's always funny to see,how some people know better what other people "have to want". If they don't agree they are idiots, spoiled kids, punks, etc...
:rofl:
Well thats really convenient for your posturing to simply spin nvidia as claiming a solid year out rather than 6-12 months, afterall you at least gave a range of 3-6 months for ATI's claim.Quote:
Originally Posted by Particle
There's no functional difference. Heck, you can give them a couple of extra months if you want and say nVidia is claiming 4-10...they're still on the losing end of the argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by highoctane
lolwutQuote:
Originally Posted by Particle
4 months is q1 2010
thats when dx11 titles start coming in
Some real die hards in here...
I've said my piece, and it is accurate. That's enough for me.
Games are often susceptible to delays, nVidia might be right and the first REAL DirectX11 games might not come until Feb (DIRT2). Even if Dirt2 is running on time, is it really going to be a DirectX 11 title? or is it going to be a DirectX10 game with a DirectX11 code path to speed things up or add a hard to spot effect?
BOTH ATi and nVidia are right here, ATi had the optimists view and nVidia were the pessimists view... the truth will lay somewhere between the two...
John
No. You are wrong. But then it's always easy to say what you've just said, when you are totally wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Particle
Well, I never said I was right, just I see that both ATi and nVidia are right, just they have a glass half full or half empty viewpoint, with nVidia looking at the glass half empty ;)
I'm interested in AVP and Stalker. The rest of the list I don't care about or isn't a specific game.
I'm waiting to see what Fermi brings to the table. But they better start mass production pretty quick because those two games are enough to make me stop waiting if Nvidia can't get their act together.
Games like DiRT 2 are nothing but a mess of postprocessing effects that DX9 could have easily done. Performance boost is the only current reason to want DX11 and if a bunch of those games rock dx11 faster than they do in dx10 I'll go order my HD5870 now.
Why so much whining? You asked if the dates on the slide were accurate yes? I even underlined the part that I quoted and answered. Now you are whining about something new...its like you're just looking for the forum to comfort you. Newsflash : video cards depreciate faster then new cars. Maybe consoles are for you and pc games aren't? Why did you quote me lol?:welcome:Quote:
Originally Posted by cowie
Confirm your sour grapes of not having DX 11 to play Dirt2 and AVP here fellas.
Yeah, he's so mad not having DX11 hardware to play non-released DX11 titles :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by kadozer
Lol so true, not as funny as a non DX 11 card from Nvidia to even play 1 game Oh wait where's the card :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Luka_Aveiro
Not even based on DX10, but DX9. Because the "DX11" games are based on DX9 because they are built for the consoles then ported to PC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Motiv
PC is dying :(