Thermochill' s New Coolant fluid.

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10-01-2009, 02:21 PM
gilgamesh1

Thermochill' s New Coolant fluid.

Folks i found this info about TC's new fluid and after the blooming issue I had with Feser as of late I thought someone may be interested in hearing about it

Pre-mixed coolant for the PC Watercooling industry has been a rather hit and miss affair as of late. Many are now opting out and going back to the old tried and tested De-ionised water method. With large companies such as Feser and Primochill having well documented issues with their coolant, it is with hopes that Thermochill can do better.

Thermochill are well respected industry in the Watercooling radiator sector of the market and it is with hopes that they can transfer the same amount of quality into their fluid. It is fair to say that the industry will be keeping a close eye on this latest development from Thermochill after incidents shown below caused by other 'popular coolant fluids.

Issues caused by Feser fluids, as found in a customers PC by this reviewers own eyes.

http://www.gilgameshreviews.com/foru...=7977#post7977

Hope this helps.

gilgamesh1
10-01-2009, 02:29 PM
millertime359

Is it just me, or did i just read an ad? :confused:
10-01-2009, 02:31 PM
BlueAqua

Quote:

Originally Posted by millertime359

Is it just me, or did i just read an ad? :confused:

Yeah looks like a good plug. :rofl:
10-01-2009, 02:32 PM
gilgamesh1

Quote:

Originally Posted by millertime359

Is it just me, or did i just read an ad? :confused:

lol no. I happened to have an issue with feser's fluid and i have never published those shots before. Spent three hours cleaning those blocks up. I was a fan of feser before i saw that.

gilgamesh
10-01-2009, 02:35 PM
millertime359

It read like a plug. That's all. :shrug:

Distilled water, silver, and some nice colored tubing is all i need. :yepp:

Add in a couple of LEDs for the res. :up:
10-01-2009, 02:55 PM
gilgamesh1

Quote:

Originally Posted by millertime359

It read like a plug. That's all. :shrug:

Distilled water, silver, and some nice colored tubing is all i need. :yepp:

Add in a couple of LEDs for the res. :up:

yep thats all i use now to be honest....distilled/ and ptnuke=job done

gilgamesh
10-01-2009, 03:40 PM
Blizzy

About time it came out x)
They've been talking about it for some time
10-01-2009, 05:27 PM
earthwormjim

I don't really understand why someone buys premixed fluid when you can get distilled/de-ionized water at your grocery store for very cheap.
10-01-2009, 05:34 PM
situman

So now that Thermochill is owned by a new company, they are using the brand name to promote what is probably just another blend of stuff with UV dye. They better pray its good stuff cus Thermochill was never about marketing, but solid products.
10-01-2009, 05:59 PM
millertime359

Quote:

Originally Posted by earthwormjim

I don't really understand why someone buys premixed fluid when you can get distilled/de-ionized water at your grocery store for very cheap.

color and marketing. $20 for something that claims to be non-conductive, and won't make my brand new $2000 rig a paperweight is a very nice idea.

Then you learn better. :)
10-01-2009, 06:24 PM
Sadasius

Pfff, TC was about quality....Now we have THIS! Someone fell asleep at the wheel. It's all the same damn crap! :shakes:
10-01-2009, 06:58 PM
shazza

Quote:

Originally Posted by earthwormjim

I don't really understand why someone buys premixed fluid when you can get distilled/de-ionized water at your grocery store for very cheap.

I know it's hard to believe, but some of us like color in our loops. Yes, you can use colored tubing and LEDs in your reservoir - but it's just not the same :p:

I absolutely recommend distilled and a biocide, but will continue to satisfy my desire for color with pre-mixed coolants (sad, I know) :cool:
10-01-2009, 07:11 PM
overclocking101

i use hydrx myself love it looks nice and doesnt do that to my blocks
10-01-2009, 07:23 PM
Hondacity

its not sad, every bit of difference in LC..makes everything so much more interesting...

Quote:

Originally Posted by shazza

I know it's hard to believe, but some of us like color in our loops. Yes, you can use colored tubing and LEDs in your reservoir - but it's just not the same :p:

I absolutely recommend distilled and a biocide, but will continue to satisfy my desire for color with pre-mixed coolants (sad, I know) :cool:
10-02-2009, 02:54 AM
MrToad

Not my cup of tea, but I'm sure there is a market for a coloured pre-mixed coolant that doesn't stain acrylic, clog your blocks, stays reactive for long enough to make a memory and performs only slightly worse than DI.

The non-conductive part bugs me slightly, mainly because it has been discussed ad nauseam that no non-exotic formulation will remain non-conductive for long, but I suppose is a selling point, and AFAIK at the point of the fluid leaving the container, the statement is true.

Let's face it, watercooling your computer is already counter-intuitive... bashing someone because he/she is prepared to sacrifice 5% performance in order to attain a certain degree of visual satisfaction is a good exercise of hypocrisy... specially considering that many times the same individual will base his/her purchases in purely logical reasoning, like "that waterblock looks like pr0n" :p:
10-02-2009, 04:35 AM
rge

Difference is MrToad and Shazza are making true statements about premixed, so nothing to bash or even comment on. The primary reason people get corrected or "bashed" is for making untrue statements that might coax others into being sorry for a bad purchase, such as claiming premixed performs better than water, or is non-conductive (even hinting its ok if you spill it on your mobo), or to me the worst of 3, not warning others about it gunking up the rad, pump, blocks. And no doubt people just using premixed and not making claims may get some warnings, though if it were me, I would be thankful for them, I would be pissed having to clean that gunk off.

But start posting how much better premix cools, or how much more non-conductive it is than distilled as if your safe spilling it on your mobo....and all bets are off.

Frankly, if someone could actually make a UV reactive fluid that never gunked up anyones gear in a year use, I might buy it, especially if it was 98% distilled hence same performance as water.
10-02-2009, 06:19 AM
millertime359

Nice post RGE. :up:
10-02-2009, 07:15 AM
shazza

Yep, rge's post sums up my thoughts.

I always try to preface comments on my coolant use with "you need to be aware of the risks, and don't think using it precludes the need for leak testing and system maintenance/monitoring."
10-02-2009, 07:28 AM
CyberDruid

De-Ionized is not what you want. It's actually more active (since it lacks an Ion yes?) Distilled is fine as it's basically inert in terms of galvanic corrosion. I've given up on premix and I have all but given up on dye as so much of it is nasty and doesn't last.

You would be amazed at how long regular old food color you get at the grocery store lasts in comparision to stuff that is supposedly "PC-specific".
10-02-2009, 07:50 AM
millertime359

Quote:

Originally Posted by shazza

Yep, rge's post sums up my thoughts.

I always try to preface comments on my coolant use with "you need to be aware of the risks, and don't think using it precludes the need for leak testing and system maintenance/monitoring."

Yep, its not that anyone is saying NOT to use it.

There are just better options out there, but if you wish to use it, just understand the risk you are taking. :)
10-02-2009, 10:47 AM
gilgamesh1

Quote:

Originally Posted by millertime359

Yep, its not that anyone is saying NOT to use it.

There are just better options out there, but if you wish to use it, just understand the risk you are taking. :)

yep as a review site, i cannot pre-judge any product.all i can do is say as i see it. But i agree with most here pre-mixed is usually pants.....but if it works well then it will well.

Cameron from skinnee will do a nice technical based review

And in my review I will be testing to destruction= boiling in pan freezing etc. install it on a 120.2 rad and ask it to cool a core i7 and a gtx295 on the same loop etc:D

If you remember i had the first TC PA140.3 prototype rad.

I hope Tc fluid is more than just a marketing ploy, but I prefer Distilled/PTNUKE myself.........but there are THOSE who prefer pre-mixed coolant a set and forget option. Not everyone is at our levels of technical competence.. All pre-mixed fluid is for those who just want to put it in their systems and forget......

gilgamesh
10-02-2009, 10:51 AM
PeterStoba

The clear coolant they have lined up is exciting.
10-02-2009, 11:10 AM
shazza

Quote:

All pre-mixed fluid is for those who just want to put it in their systems and forget......

Nope, gotta disagree here. Maybe for most, but not all. As stated before, some of us like the color options, even though we understand the chemistry and the risks. I've tried food coloring, but wasn't happy with it. May give it another go.

My concern is that people who are new to water cooling think they NEED the pre-mixed coolants. Not everyone reads forums before building their system, and they wouldn't necessarily know much of the hype is just that. And, $20-40 on coolant is an unneeded expense if you're working on a tight budget.

Back to the announcement about Thermochill getting in the coolant business - always happy to have another product to try, so hope it works well.
10-02-2009, 12:27 PM
Sadasius

Quote:

Originally Posted by shazza

My concern is that people who are new to water cooling think they NEED the pre-mixed coolants. Not everyone reads forums before building their system, and they wouldn't necessarily know much of the hype is just that. And, $20-40 on coolant is an unneeded expense if you're working on a tight budget.

Same here. To someone who knows the risk who cares because they know. But to a new individual the ads make it look like that is actually needed and then when the new people have a bad experience they quit and sell their gear. When someone asks them about water cooling they immediately get a very biased review based on someone's inexperience. I would have much more respect for the companies if they were to place on the ad somewhere..."Meant for professional use only!" or something along those lines to show they need to educate themselves a little before purchasing.
10-02-2009, 01:45 PM
gilgamesh1

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sadasius

Same here. To someone who knows the risk who cares because they know. But to a new individual the ads make it look like that is actually needed and then when the new people have a bad experience they quit and sell their gear. When someone asks them about water cooling they immediately get a very biased review based on someone's inexperience. I would have much more respect for the companies if they were to place on the ad somewhere..."Meant for professional use only!" or something along those lines to show they need to educate themselves a little before purchasing.

good call

Well let us see how it performs, if performs not to standards i will certainly say so, last thing we need is another F.......... i wont say the company or Ma........ will throw a fit and think im out to get him like he said about Sniipe Dog:D

gilgamesh
10-02-2009, 02:05 PM
JoeBar

Quote:

Originally Posted by situman

So now that Thermochill is owned by a new company, they are using the brand name to promote what is probably just another blend of stuff with UV dye. They better pray its good stuff cus Thermochill was never about marketing, but solid products.

QFT...
10-02-2009, 04:41 PM
millertime359

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sadasius

"Meant for professional use only!" or something along those lines to show they need to educate themselves a little before purchasing.

That would be nice to have a warning label put on the bottle like that, but that means they will probably sell fewer units. The only way for that label to get there is with some legal help. :yepp:
10-02-2009, 04:54 PM
Sadasius

Yeah it would be nice and yeah they would sell less probably but in the end I think they would retain their consumer base for being honest as well. I cannot see the legal route going through that is for sure. Heck we don't even have laws for bottled water..:shocked:
10-03-2009, 07:18 AM
millertime359

Yep, and they can argue it is because of other things and not directly their coolant and blah .. blah ..

I do agree, I thought it was best to run that stuff too and started out with it. Luckily I was reading here and found out what could happen and changed out before I could become another statistic.
10-03-2009, 08:54 AM
nikhsub1

Distilled water > everything else.
10-03-2009, 10:22 AM
bentleya

I have some more info for you guys :)

http://forum.watercoolinguk.co.uk/sh...2&postcount=33

Thermochill EC6 UV Blue - UK RRP £8.99 Inc VAT
Thermochill EC6 UV Neon Green - UK RRP £8.99 Inc VAT
Thermochill EC6 Clear - UK RRP £7.99 Inc VAT

To follow in the next few weeks...

Thermochill EC6 UV Clear/Blue - UK RRP £8.99 Inc VAT
Thermochill EC6 UV Red - UK RRP £8.99 Inc VAT
10-03-2009, 11:05 AM
Petra

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikhsub1

Distilled water > everything else.

I'm with him on this one... but you guys already knew that :rolleyes:

I'd like to see more innovation and less bandwagoning.
10-06-2009, 08:37 AM
bentleya

Well, today = Realease day, http://www.watercoolinguk.co.uk/cata...7707d14e245e8a

http://www.watercoolinguk.co.uk/cata...6-uvblue3l.jpg

http://www.watercoolinguk.co.uk/cata...-uvgreen3l.jpg
10-06-2009, 08:51 AM
shazza

At least they added this statement:

Quote:

We recommend frequent coolant changes to maintain your system loop correctly, and to reduce the conductive potential within the loop as much as possible. EC6 can become electrically conductive in normal use over time or if contaminated just like any other coolant on the market.
10-06-2009, 10:21 AM
millertime359

^^^^ +1

That would be perfect if all pre-mix manufacture's did that.
10-06-2009, 11:01 AM
NaeKuh

Quote:

Originally Posted by gilgamesh1

And in my review I will be testing to destruction= boiling in pan freezing etc. install it on a 120.2 rad and ask it to cool a core i7 and a gtx295 on the same loop etc:D

gilgamesh

Can u do a quick test.

Try to freeze it... throw it inside your freezer for about a few hours..
(its impossible to freeze... might get a bit icey... but it shouldnt freeze)

Then let it sit in room temp til it melts..
Can u see if it clumps up?
10-06-2009, 12:30 PM
quattro_

the blue looks stunning, but im not even tempted :) .
Distilled water+ silver .
10-06-2009, 07:41 PM
aoch88

How did you get the silver into the distilled water or did you meant Tygon Silver tubings? :)
10-06-2009, 10:08 PM
shazza

Silver = something like this, or some other piece of 99.9+% silver. The kill coils are placed in the tubing or the reservoir (as long as they don't block any flow).
10-06-2009, 11:04 PM
gordy

What about regular old ethylene glycol? I just built my first wc rig and didn't think twice about coolant and now you guys have me worried. I think it's 50/50 mix though it's pretty green.. is it going to gum up my stuff?
10-07-2009, 12:35 AM
shazza

Quote:

Originally Posted by gordy

What about regular old ethylene glycol? I just built my first wc rig and didn't think twice about coolant and now you guys have me worried. I think it's 50/50 mix though it's pretty green.. is it going to gum up my stuff?

A mix with ethylene glycol and distilled will have a lower specific heat capacity than straight distilled, giving you less efficient heat transfer from the radiator. I'd guess maybe 20% or so with a 50/50 solution.

Some acrylic reservoirs don't stand up well to glycol solutions.

If you are happy with your coolant - e.g. decent temps and you like the color, then just keep an eye on it.
10-07-2009, 05:36 AM
millertime359

Quote:

Originally Posted by gordy

What about regular old ethylene glycol? I just built my first wc rig and didn't think twice about coolant and now you guys have me worried. I think it's 50/50 mix though it's pretty green.. is it going to gum up my stuff?

Its also not safe for kids and animals. If you have pets or kids that have access to the machine when you are not around, a leak may allow them access to the coolant.

You are also not suppose to dump it down the drain, but take it to the autoparts store to properly dispose of it.

Regular distilled with peice of silver can be poured down the drain and is perfectly save for pets and kids if you have a leak or spill. (not certain about PT Nuke)

There have been issues with PT Nuke clogging people's blocks up if you add too much. That is the benefit of silver, you can't overdue it.
10-07-2009, 06:58 AM
nikhsub1

With the superfine blocks (Apogee XT for example) today I don't understand why anyone would run anything but distilled water...
10-07-2009, 09:23 AM
shazza

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikhsub1

With the superfine blocks (Apogee XT for example) today I don't understand why anyone would run anything but distilled water...

While I like color in my loop and reservoir, I agree with you on this - doesn't make any sense to use anything other than distilled if you are questing after the best block performance.
10-07-2009, 10:46 AM
NaeKuh

Quote:

Originally Posted by shazza

While I like color in my loop and reservoir, I agree with you on this - doesn't make any sense to use anything other than distilled if you are questing after the best block performance.

DYE..

Clear UV and go BLing on UV cathodes instead.

Then you get your color + no gunk.

I honestly think its the the glycol or some form of antifreeze which is gunking in blocks.

Maybe also as the glycol gunks it picks up more dye and thats what leads to the very nasty and messy staining?

Im just shooting ideas and theories, so dont shoot me on it.
10-07-2009, 11:32 AM
Jamesrt2004

could jsut use food colouring
10-07-2009, 11:39 AM
NaeKuh

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jamesrt2004

could jsut use food colouring

we tried that a long time ago.

it promotes nasties from growing.

Also the fact that the color tends to stay on the tubing more then the water.
10-07-2009, 02:18 PM
rge

Somebody needs to make some UV reactive tubing that looks like the blue in post 33, and maybe if possible color some reservoirs to match tubing.

Some of the dyes just have more variety and make nicer looking builds to me anyways. Other option is if someone would sell a concentrated dye that can be put in DW, like 10mls per liter, and does not clump or separate over time, though i wont be first to try it:p:. Staining tubing I can live with as will toss, but gunking up rad, blocks, etc im not willing to deal with.
10-07-2009, 02:28 PM
JoeBar

IMHO still there isn't a UV dye worth looking for...

Buy some UV tubing and be done with it...

Pure distilled is the way to go.
10-07-2009, 02:56 PM
shazza

Hmnnnn... I guess I hate UV cathodes worse than gunk in my blocks :p: I think I'm going to have to go distilled, plain ol' silly water.
10-07-2009, 03:20 PM
millertime359

Quote:

Originally Posted by shazza

Hmnnnn... I guess I hate UV cathodes worse than gunk in my blocks :p: I think I'm going to have to go distilled, plain ol' silly water.

Welcome to the cool kids table. :D
10-07-2009, 03:28 PM
Sadasius

Quote:

Originally Posted by millertime359

Welcome to the cool kids table. :D

Yup! :up: Welcome we have had a seat waiting for you for some time now. :rofl:
10-07-2009, 05:26 PM
gordy

I'm actually not very happy with my temps.. goes to 80c at max load after some time. I honestly didn't consider straight water because I thought anti corrosion and decreased boiling temp properties were necessary. I'm planning to flush my loop asap with distilled and a kill coil to see if I get lower temps.
10-07-2009, 05:34 PM
NaeKuh

Quote:

Originally Posted by gordy

I'm actually not very happy with my temps.. goes to 80c at max load after some time. I honestly didn't consider straight water because I thought anti corrosion and decreased boiling temp properties were necessary. I'm planning to flush my loop asap with distilled and a kill coil to see if I get lower temps.

b4 that how about you make a new thread...

in it.. list what you have...
A picture of your system would be even better.
Diagram loop order.
What fans your running on your rad, if possible RPM on the fan.
Cpu Speed and Voltage
Gpu type if watercooled, and overclocked or not.

I dont think a coolant change is gonna get you what your expecting.

Quote:

Originally Posted by shazza

I think I'm going to have to go distilled, plain ol' silly water.

Talking about distilled...
This is how much h2o is left after i flush empty then refill 2 systems...
And 80% of it is Haruhi

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p...i/IMG_1387.jpg

:wasntme:

My computer is a heavy drinker.. :rofl:
I would get raped in the cost if i went premixes.. :\
10-08-2009, 10:14 AM
bentleya

Just had time to get some photos, when i got it, was a quick rush to catch the sun before it disappeared for the night.

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/h...on/EC6Blue.jpg

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/h...n/EC6Clear.jpg

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/h...n/EC6Green.jpg

Full review will be published Late Monday evening or Tuesday evening.
10-09-2009, 11:02 AM
bundymania

I like the colors :D

http://www.abload.de/img/img_2346kopu.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/img_2352xr7a.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/img_2359jppy.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/img_237736do.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/img_2375a6w8.jpg
10-11-2009, 09:18 AM
WgizmO

Then what is best liquid for wc cooling right now? Im using PrimoChill ICE Non-Conductive Coolant right now and dont have any problems with nice temps. Planning to rebuild wc system and add some blocks what will give me 6 blocks in total. What liquid will be the best? Planing to put some UV to have Blue color.
10-11-2009, 09:36 AM
millertime359

Quote:

Originally Posted by WgizmO

Then what is best liquid for wc cooling right now? Im using PrimoChill ICE Non-Conductive Coolant right now and dont have any problems with nice temps. Planning to rebuild wc system and add some blocks what will give me 6 blocks in total. What liquid will be the best? Planing to put some UV to have Blue color.

distilled water and silver/PT Nuke with UV blue tubing like what is offered from Primochill

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...-UVBlue_01.jpg
10-11-2009, 09:52 AM
CyberDruid

Quote:

Originally Posted by NaeKuh

we tried that a long time ago.

it promotes nasties from growing.

Also the fact that the color tends to stay on the tubing more then the water.

Who is this we. Do you have two heads or something?

I am XS too and you certainly cannot speak for me. No nasties have ever grown in any of my loops and I've been LCing for 4+ years.

All this BS about biologic in the loop is just that: BS.

Use distilled. Use food dye. Profit.

Food dye has not stained any of my acrylic or tubing in the tests I have done.
10-11-2009, 09:55 AM
WgizmO

Do you know where i can buy this silver/PT with UV blue tubing? Distilled water i can buy in any market like tesco right? And for how long it will be ok to keep it before refill? I have this PrimoChill ICE Non-Conductive Coolant from around 4-5 months in my wc system and all temps and rest looks fine. What improve i will have from "distilled water and silver/PT Nuke" ? Do you have any links to some tests with liquids vs distilled water and silver/PT Nuke?
10-11-2009, 10:06 AM
millertime359

pre-mixes have lead to clogged blocks and are expensive. Any distilled water works, just as long as it says distilled. You properly won't see any major temp difference's from changing to distilled, but it is cheaper and safer. Silver can be gotten from a local jeweler. Any silver will work as long as it is .999% pure. I use iandh's killcoils.

Performance PC's carries the Primochill PRO LRT along with Primochill's site.
10-11-2009, 10:12 AM
ChielScape

i dont trust any premixed coolant... even this one is advertised at biodegradable, and i have a feeling that it's exactly that property of it that causes the stuff to gunk up your blocks. or am i horribly wrong here?
10-11-2009, 02:44 PM
WgizmO

i will see when i will change case how my blooks will looks like. If they will be fine after 5-6 months with PrimoChill ICE Non-Conductive in loop i will stay with that. Water is still water and kinda dont belive in that sliver magic. Would like to see how it perform compering to PrimoChill ICE Non-Conductive. Ive seen PrimoChill ICE Non-Conductive in tests and i kinda belive specialy from my temps without changinf from 5 months. Still need ot finish case then will go for some liquid or this magic water+silver.
10-11-2009, 03:14 PM
NaeKuh

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberDruid

Who is this we. Do you have two heads or something?

I am XS too and you certainly cannot speak for me. No nasties have ever grown in any of my loops and I've been LCing for 4+ years.

All this BS about biologic in the loop is just that: BS.

Use distilled. Use food dye. Profit.

Food dye has not stained any of my acrylic or tubing in the tests I have done.

CD...

There was a thread back a while ago where people were experimenting with dyes b4 mlwood.

They tried food coloring. And most food coloring is composed of one of these:
* Caramel coloring (E150), made from caramelized sugar, used in cola products and also in cosmetics.
* Annatto (E160b), a reddish-orange dye made from the seed of the Achiote.
* A green dye made from chlorella algae (chlorophyll, E140)
* Cochineal, a red dye derived from the cochineal insect, Dactylopius coccus.
* Betanin extracted from beets.
* Turmeric (curcuminoids, E100)
* Saffron (carotenoids, E160a)
* Paprika (E160c)
* Elderberry juice

Most of what is listed can be used by a microbe to grow.
That is why i said it promotes nasty.

The artificial food coloring showed it tends to bond faster to the tubing then the natural ones.
That's why that thread concluded was the food coloring preferred staining the
tubing because it had more area to deposit itself onto, then actually stay suspended in liquid.

And it was preferred to use a straight up chemical DYE, since there was no concern with it being eatable.

And didn't you always use Hydrx??
When did u use straight up food coloring?

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChielScape

i dont trust any premixed coolant... even this one is advertised at biodegradable, and i have a feeling that it's exactly that property of it that causes the stuff to gunk up your blocks. or am i horribly wrong here?

i think its the glycol in the antifreeze portion that's clumping up.
10-11-2009, 09:07 PM
ChielScape

Quote:

Originally Posted by NaeKuh

i think its the glycol in the antifreeze portion that's clumping up.

waht do you think it reacts with then?
i havent heard about gunk from people who run distilled + G11.
10-14-2009, 01:43 PM
bentleya

Thermochill EC6 Review > http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=236702
10-20-2009, 01:01 PM
Marci

/me points at brick wall.

Apply head repeatedly.
10-20-2009, 01:59 PM
NaeKuh

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marci

/me points at brick wall.

Apply head repeatedly.

:rofl:

Glad to see your still around Marci. :up:
10-20-2009, 02:18 PM
JoeBar

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marci

/me points at brick wall.

Apply head repeatedly.

:ROTF:

Hilarious but very true...

Hi Marci m8! :toast:
10-20-2009, 02:51 PM
NaeKuh

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeBar

:ROTF:

Hilarious but very true...

yeah... especially since we know where Marci was affiliated with.

:wasntme:

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