First 5850 Review

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09-29-2009, 08:02 PM
jaredpace

First 5850 Review

First 5850 review:

http://www.guru3d.com/imageview.php?image=20473

http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon...iew-crossfire/
09-29-2009, 08:11 PM
hurleybird

http://techreport.com/articles.x/17652
09-29-2009, 08:13 PM
tajoh111

The 5850 is a much more impressive card than the 5870 for price/performance. This is a card I can see NV having no counter for unless they price the gtx 285 just a couple hairs over 200 dollars. But they will take a certainly take a loss and the partners wont be happy.
09-29-2009, 08:18 PM
cegras

I'm surprised people are not surprised by the insane performance / watt the 5870 and 5850 are offering.
09-29-2009, 08:27 PM
hurleybird

The 5850 looks even more underwhelming (performace/specs) wise than the 5870. Notice how the 4890 actually beats it in Hawx in the TR review, despite having worse specs in every regard. The 5870 results looked like they might have been the caused by poor scaling, but the 5850 results make it look like something is broken. I'm going to chalk it up to drivers at this time, because I can't fathom how the RV870 architecture could have become less efficient than RV770 in terms of gaming performance.

Anyone else get the feeling that ATI might just release a 'miracle driver' at the same time as the GT300 launch?
09-29-2009, 08:32 PM
villa1n

Quote:

Originally Posted by hurleybird

The 5850 looks even more underwhelming (performace/specs) wise than the 5870. Notice how the 4890 actually beats it in Hawx in the TR review, despite having worse specs in every regard. The 5870 results looked like they might have been the caused by poor scaling, but the 5850 results make it look like something is broken. I'm going to chalk it up to drivers at this time, because I can't fathom how the RV870 architecture could have become less efficient than RV770 in terms of gaming performance.

Its at low res, only, and in one game only, and the card is just released.
The crossfire scaling looks great, it edges out the 285 sli in almost every situation, so the price performance for me, seems to be there, along with the fact through driver maturation the performance will go up a bit. Just waiting on some non reference versions to come along, to allow for better oc'ing, might be just in time to take a gander at how gt300 performance will stack up.. but by christmas , you ll probably see a 250$ 5850, and if the X2 scales like the 4870x2 (near perfect when compared to 4870's in xfire) the price perf will be a nice little gift to myself ^^
09-29-2009, 08:37 PM
Stukov

Quote:

Originally Posted by hurleybird

The 5850 looks even more underwhelming (performace/specs) wise than the 5870. Notice how the 4890 actually beats it in Hawx in the TR review, despite having worse specs in every regard. The 5870 results looked like they might have been the caused by poor scaling, but the 5850 results make it look like something is broken. I'm going to chalk it up to drivers at this time, because I can't fathom how the RV870 architecture could have become less efficient than RV770 in terms of gaming performance.

Anyone else get the feeling that ATI might just release a 'miracle driver' at the same time as the GT300 launch?

It is most likely drivers, but in most games they decreased power while increasing speed. The power usage is by far the most suprizing thing for the 5800 series, I just think it is too damn expensive. Shoulda launched at 199 and 299.
09-29-2009, 08:42 PM
annihilat0r

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3650
09-29-2009, 08:51 PM
hurleybird

Quote:

Originally Posted by villa1n

Its at low res, only, and in one game only, and the card is just released.

The point is that the 4890 should never be faster, and if you were to scale up a 4890 to the 5850's specs, it's looking like it would be faster than even the current 5870. Perfmance/watt is great, sure, but the performance just doesn't match the specs. Either the engineers totally screwed things up via an obscure bottleneck that makes the chip slower per SP/TMU/ROP than RV770, or the current drivers really suck. The second possibility sounds far more likely, and that's what I'm hoping for since I have a 5870 ;)
09-29-2009, 08:52 PM
annihilat0r

Anand's review shows that 5850 CF isn't scaling as well as SLI. So I think 5850 CF isn't a great option.
09-29-2009, 08:53 PM
randomizer

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...5850,2433.html
09-29-2009, 09:02 PM
jaredpace

Quote:

Originally Posted by annihilat0r

Anand's review shows that 5850 CF isn't scaling as well as SLI. So I think 5850 CF isn't a great option.

:confused:

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/5...4359/20201.png

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/5...4359/20209.png

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/5...4359/20205.png

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/5...4359/20208.png

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/5...4359/20206.png

5850 crossfire same price as the GTX295 and 40% faster too
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produc...tCode=10011224

edit: just realized 5850 Crossfire beats gtx285 sli on every bench at THG too. I don't get what you're saying.
09-29-2009, 09:18 PM
illectrik

Actually I believe Hardware Canucks was the first to do a review. But thanks for the update! It doesn't seem like the 5870 preforms as well as expected.
09-29-2009, 09:19 PM
Vit^pr0n

Quote:

Originally Posted by annihilat0r

Anand's review shows that 5850 CF isn't scaling as well as SLI. So I think 5850 CF isn't a great option.

Someone needs a new pair of glasses :p:
09-29-2009, 09:24 PM
Linuxfan

The 5850 looks like a great bang-for-the-buck card! Crossfire scales well too... Good stuff coming from ATI! :up:
Can't wait to see what Nvidia has to offer in turn... ;)
09-29-2009, 09:29 PM
Dante80

Up to 80watts lower consumption in load
120$ less
Quieter
Cooler
Shorter
Performance hit around 10-15% against 5870 (that means far better perf/watt and perf/$)
~12% More performance than GT285
Overclocks to 5870 perf easily

Ok, this is an absolute killer for the lower performance market segment. Its 4870vs4850 all over again. Only this time, they get the performance crown for single cards too.

Another thing to remember, is that nvidia does not currently have a countermeasure for this card. The GT380 will be priced for the enthusiast segment, and we can only hope for the architecture to be flexible enough to provide a 360 for the upper performance segment without killing profits due to diesize constraints. Things will get even more messy as soon as Juniper lands, the greens have to act now (thats our interest as consumers too)! And I don't think that GT200 respins will cut it.
09-29-2009, 09:39 PM
annihilat0r

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vit^pr0n

Someone needs a new pair of glasses :p:

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaredpace

edit: just realized 5850 Crossfire beats gtx285 sli on every bench at THG too. I don't get what you're saying.

You guys are awesome! Able to reach a different conclusion from AnandTech based on their own review! :rofl:

Quote:

Originally Posted by AnandTech

Unfortunately Crossfire scaling just isn’t as good as SLI scaling in the tests we’ve seen; the performance gap varies wildly between games, and only averages 5% across all of them. If NVIDIA lowers the price on the GTX 285 enough, that 5% difference may end up a tossup.
09-29-2009, 09:46 PM
Sly Fox

Heavily matured G200 drivers vs brand new crossfire drivers.

Hmmmm... I wonder if one will improve and one will stay roughly the same... :shrug:
09-29-2009, 09:48 PM
jaredpace

Well if you look at the long green bar in the graphs I posted, you can see that "5 percent" scaling like 50 percent.

:)
09-29-2009, 09:55 PM
annihilat0r

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaredpace

Well if you look at the long green bar in the graphs I posted, you can see that "5 percent" scaling like 50 percent.

:)

It's not 5 percent scaling, do you know English anyway? Anandtech was talking about the performance difference between SLI and CF. And while 5850 is a good deal faster than 285, because SLI scales better in those tests, the difference is only 5%.
09-29-2009, 09:58 PM
Eastcoasthandle

Looks like the 5850 wins in both single and CF results. Better CF drivers will only improve on this. No different then the 4800 release. :up:
09-29-2009, 10:08 PM
aslanwas

Very impressive cards there, the 58x0s !!! Has somebody already tried LN2 ? SOme results ?
09-29-2009, 10:13 PM
eleeter

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly Fox

Heavily matured G200 drivers vs brand new crossfire drivers.

Hmmmm... I wonder if one will improve and one will stay roughly the same... :shrug:

Nvidia has their Megabang drivers waiting in the wings. :ROTF:
09-29-2009, 10:14 PM
LiquidReactor

http://hardocp.com/article/2009/09/3..._card_review/1

5850 CF can even run Crysis at 2560x1600!
09-29-2009, 10:16 PM
Sly Fox

Quote:

Originally Posted by eleeter

Nvidia has their Megabang drivers waiting in the wings. :ROTF:

:rofl: :D
09-29-2009, 10:17 PM
eleeter

From the Anandtech article, what is this all about? :shrug:

Quote:

The 5870 ended up being hot, noisy, and more power-hungry than any other single-GPU setup.

That conflicts with basically every other review I have read.
09-29-2009, 10:22 PM
zerazax

AT seems to have gone off the deep end on video card reviews lately

Hell they put the 9800GX2 as being faster than the GTX280 initially and we all know how that turned out :rofl:
09-29-2009, 10:25 PM
Dante80

Quote:

Originally Posted by zerazax

Hell they put the 9800GX2 as being faster than the GTX280 initially and we all know how that turned out :rofl:

How did it turn out? 9800GX2 was faster than 280 @ launch...
09-29-2009, 10:34 PM
LiquidReactor

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dante80

How did it turn out? 9800GX2 was faster than 280 @ launch...

Quote:

Two 8800 GTS faster then GTX 280

:ROTF:

I'll let you think about that for a min.
09-29-2009, 10:34 PM
Chickenfeed

Quite impressive. I would have to say if you plan on buying 2 cards at once and only have a 1920x1080/1200 display that 5850s in CF are the way to go. I'd only seriously consider CF 5870s currently if using a 2560x1600 display ( or Eyefinity if that interests you )

There is enough of a cpu bottleneck (that is it! throw out the Core i7s! :p:) with CF 5870s at 1920x1200 that 5850s don't seem to trail much.
Here in Canada, its basically 30% more price for a 10-15% performance increase for single card (5850-5870) which often is the case with the highend ( 260/280 was even worse at launch ) I would have ordered a 5850 but I want to tough it out single card as long as I can as I had my share of multi gpu facepalms over the last 3 years to turn me off of the idea again, but I know ill eat my words eventually :rolleyes:

Should be good news for folks with single 285s that might want to go SLI soon as Nvidia will have to reduce 285 prices at this point ( provided ATIs new stock distribution method works ; eg weekly small shipments vs burst large volume shipments )
09-29-2009, 10:54 PM
Glow9

doubting it but anyone know if they are going to put out a 5850x2?
09-29-2009, 11:01 PM
hyperdoggy

Too bad no review has tried to unlock the 2 missing SIMD arrays from 5850 yet, it would be awsome if it can be done.
09-29-2009, 11:04 PM
villa1n

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glow9

doubting it but anyone know if they are going to put out a 5850x2?

believe a 5870x2 and 5850x2 are planned for novemberish?
09-29-2009, 11:11 PM
Glow9

Quote:

Originally Posted by villa1n

believe a 5870x2 and 5850x2 are planned for novemberish?

Nice
09-29-2009, 11:19 PM
villa1n

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glow9

Nice

5870x2 + 5850x2 pics
09-30-2009, 01:06 AM
Etihtsarom

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chickenfeed

Quite impressive. I would have to say if you plan on buying 2 cards at once and only have a 1920x1080/1200 display that 5850s in CF are the way to go. I'd only seriously consider CF 5870s currently if using a 2560x1600 display ( or Eyefinity if that interests you )

There is enough of a cpu bottleneck (that is it! throw out the Core i7s! :p:) with CF 5870s at 1920x1200 that 5850s don't seem to trail much.
Here in Canada, its basically 30% more price for a 10-15% performance increase for single card (5850-5870) which often is the case with the highend ( 260/280 was even worse at launch ) I would have ordered a 5850 but I want to tough it out single card as long as I can as I had my share of multi gpu facepalms over the last 3 years to turn me off of the idea again, but I know ill eat my words eventually :rolleyes:

Should be good news for folks with single 285s that might want to go SLI soon as Nvidia will have to reduce 285 prices at this point ( provided ATIs new stock distribution method works ; eg weekly small shipments vs burst large volume shipments )

Yeah looking at these graphs, I'm so not enticed to upgrade at the moment. Nothing my X2 can't handle for now, or for the next year.
09-30-2009, 03:39 AM
largon

I'm not impressed. By the whole R8-series, that is. Undoubtedly future drivers will increase performance but one cannot expect miracles that would be required...
I guess the architecture just doesn't scale properly over R7-series.
:(
09-30-2009, 03:51 AM
FischOderAal

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dante80

Overclocks to 5870 perf easily

Not so sure about that... Looks as if the regular 5850 doesn't have the necessary chip (VT1165MF) to allow voltage-tuning via software. The one made by ASUS might be the only 5850 to support that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by largon

I'm not impressed. By the whole R8-series, that is. Undoubtedly future drivers will increase performance but one cannot expect miracles that would be required...
I guess the architecture just doesn't scale properly over R7-series.
:(

What where you expecting? A perf-increase of 100 percent? :shrug: I think RV870 is decent, but not groundshaking. Just what AMD has been telling for a couple of months... But yes, the next series should have a new architecture, it looks like this one has reached its border.
09-30-2009, 03:56 AM
Lightman

Quote:

Originally Posted by hurleybird

The point is that the 4890 should never be faster, and if you were to scale up a 4890 to the 5850's specs, it's looking like it would be faster than even the current 5870. Perfmance/watt is great, sure, but the performance just doesn't match the specs. Either the engineers totally screwed things up via an obscure bottleneck that makes the chip slower per SP/TMU/ROP than RV770, or the current drivers really suck. The second possibility sounds far more likely, and that's what I'm hoping for since I have a 5870 ;)

A hint: triangle setup rate.
It is same per clock for RV770 and Cypress.
09-30-2009, 04:03 AM
largon

Has anyone found frontside pics of 5850 with cooler removed?

Btw, Guru3D has a pic of a "Radeon HD 5850 GPU wafer" on the bottom of one page in their review. In reality, it's a Deneb wafer.
:rolleyes:
09-30-2009, 04:28 AM
Hornet331

I still wonder why the 5870 needs to be that long, guess its only a matter of the cooling sollution.
09-30-2009, 04:47 AM
Kylzer

Great scaling

but i wana see one with a 4.2ghz oc or even more to see how fast theses cards really are.
09-30-2009, 06:20 AM
jaredpace

Quote:

Originally Posted by hyperdoggy

Too bad no review has tried to unlock the 2 missing SIMD arrays from 5850 yet, it would be awsome if it can be done.

It can be done ;)
09-30-2009, 06:30 AM
CrimInalA

Quote:

Originally Posted by FischOderAal

Not so sure about that... Looks as if the regular 5850 doesn't have the necessary chip (VT1165MF) to allow voltage-tuning via software. The one made by ASUS might be the only 5850 to support that.

In the guru3D review they overclocked the 5850 trough rivatuner . And it surely wasn't an Asus brand . So i am not sure where you got your information from . :shrug:
09-30-2009, 06:31 AM
Bojamijams

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaredpace

It can be done ;)

Link?
09-30-2009, 06:32 AM
CrimInalA

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaredpace

It can be done ;)

who sais ? any proof ? link ?
09-30-2009, 06:33 AM
jaredpace

well to be fair he did only goto 820 on the core, and supposedly the memory is .4ns 5gbps saumsung anyway, so going from 4000 to 5000mhz only puts it at stock. If there is/isn't a volterra, then it probably didn't matter as it's likely hilbert didn't need extra voltage for what he did.
If he had it at 950/1250+, then he probably needed voltage.

the simd unlock it's coming....
http://forums.anandtech.com/messagev...&enterthread=y
09-30-2009, 06:37 AM
GLENBOY

yeh in theory it should overclock to same level as its big brother as its the same gpu i think on the 5850 the stock voltage is slightly lower than on the 5870 thats why it tops out at 800ish on stock volts but once the the volt altering software is available it should be a different story
09-30-2009, 06:43 AM
CrimInalA

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaredpace

well to be fair he did only goto 820 on the core, and supposedly the memory is .4ns 5gbps saumsung anyway, so going from 4000 to 5000mhz only puts it at stock. If there is/isn't a volterra, then it probably didn't matter as it's likely hilbert didn't need extra voltage for what he did.
If he had it at 950/1250+, then he probably needed voltage.

the simd unlock it's coming....
http://forums.anandtech.com/messagev...&enterthread=y

True, BUT also the 5850 need to lower clocks and voltages when it's idle .
They need a chip to do this . Then why would they use different ones on the5870 models ? that just doesn't make sense .
09-30-2009, 07:02 AM
flopper

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaredpace

the simd unlock it's coming....
http://forums.anandtech.com/messagev...&enterthread=y

that be interesting to find out if it works well....:D
09-30-2009, 07:04 AM
zalbard

So what suffered going from 5870? Cooling or pwm? The card's much smaller.
09-30-2009, 07:15 AM
CrimInalA

Quote:

Originally Posted by flopper

that be interesting to find out if it works well....:D

Most likely going to be a photoshop debacle i'm afraid , if at all .

If it's true I am ordering myself a 5850 today :shocked:
09-30-2009, 07:45 AM
jaredpace

They do overclock nice:
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/...s/occrysis.gif

I don't see a review doing a hardmod to a card for a review. So, 99% sure this is software level. Not even sure if he had to increase voltage.
09-30-2009, 08:37 AM
Helloworld_98

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hornet331

I still wonder why the 5870 needs to be that long, guess its only a matter of the cooling sollution.

I doubt it, the 5870 only uses 18w more than the 5850 and some of that is going to be from the extra length of the PCB, so there can't be that much more heat emitted to add another two inches to the card, although you could cancel the heat theory out since on the 5850 the exhaust or intake vents on the top of the card are blocked by the PCIe power connectors, a cable and a capacitor, which would have some effect on the cooling.
09-30-2009, 08:46 AM
Helloworld_98

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaredpace

They do overclock nice:
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/...s/occrysis.gif

I don't see a review doing a hardmod to a card for a review. So, 99% sure this is software level. Not even sure if he had to increase voltage.

looks like those 160 shaders aren't making much of a difference performance wise.
09-30-2009, 08:48 AM
flopper

Quote:

Originally Posted by Helloworld_98

looks like those 160 shaders aren't making much of a difference performance wise.

mostly cpu bound up to 1920x1200.
I would assume eyefinity is where the difference might be shown a little more, depending how much the 5850 overclocks.
09-30-2009, 10:29 AM
Rick Hunter

Another review here:
http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,6...rgain/Reviews/
09-30-2009, 11:01 AM
FischOderAal

Quote:

Originally Posted by largon

Has anyone found frontside pics of 5850 with cooler removed?

Take a look in the review of PCGH
http://www.pcgameshardware.com/scree...5850-PCB01.jpg
http://www.pcgameshardware.com/scree...5850-PCB07.jpg

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimInalA

In the guru3D review they overclocked the 5850 trough rivatuner . And it surely wasn't an Asus brand . So i am not sure where you got your information from . :shrug:

I didn't mean overclocking, I meant overvolting :D
09-30-2009, 11:20 AM
Manicdan

it looks like they should have flipped the heatsink so the heatpipes would be at the base, since the vents are up top. i wonder how much that can affect airflow
09-30-2009, 11:40 AM
jaredpace

Quote:

Originally Posted by FischOderAal

Take a look in the review of PCGH
http://www.pcgameshardware.com/scree...5850-PCB01.jpg
http://www.pcgameshardware.com/scree...5850-PCB07.jpg

I didn't mean overclocking, I meant overvolting :D

Wow, thanks fischoderaal!

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/386...50pcb07.th.jpg
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/9...50pcb09.th.jpg
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/775...e930200.th.jpg
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/124...930200u.th.jpg

AMD lowered 5850 TDP to 151w on final design.
09-30-2009, 01:51 PM
fornowagain

Interesting, 3 gpu phases.
09-30-2009, 02:37 PM
largon

3+1 for GPU, option for 4+1. 1+1 for memory.
All Volterra & GPU vDDC & vDDCI are softmodable.
09-30-2009, 02:46 PM
jaredpace

Quote:

Originally Posted by largon

3+1 for GPU, option for 4+1. 1+1 for memory.
All Volterra & GPU vDDC & vDDCI are softmodable.

When are we going to be able to control memory voltage through software?
09-30-2009, 02:50 PM
Serra

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaredpace

the simd unlock it's coming....
http://forums.anandtech.com/messagev...&enterthread=y

This is just a link to a thread where a user with 40 posts has said "I have done it, stay tuned and I'll tell you how"... followed by a bunch of posts that say "hoax". Hardly proof, but it's true... oh man. Buy now and in quantity before ATI starts laser cutting.
09-30-2009, 02:56 PM
villa1n

Quote:

Originally Posted by Serra

This is just a link to a thread where a user with 40 posts has said "I have done it, stay tuned and I'll tell you how"... followed by a bunch of posts that say "hoax". Hardly proof, but it's true... oh man. Buy now and in quantity before ATI starts laser cutting.

Interesting idea regardless, he posts again saying he crashes out in 5 - 8 minutes... so maybe the simd's are actually faulty?
09-30-2009, 03:34 PM
fornowagain

Quote:

Originally Posted by villa1n

Interesting idea regardless, he posts again saying he crashes out in 5 - 8 minutes... so maybe the simd's are actually faulty?

More likely he's just full of it.
09-30-2009, 04:11 PM
Morais

I will pass this card until price drops to 199 and lower...cmon nvidia :s
09-30-2009, 05:03 PM
kuhla

Since it seems a few people liked the chart I posted last time (SEE QUOTE BELOW), I figured I'd update it and post it again:

Updated sheet: http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pMt...amp;output=html

The 5850 is a better deal (from a strictly price/performance perspective) than the 5870 by a decent margin but still doesn't change the fact that the ATI 4870 (1GB) and the Nvidia GTX260 (216) are the best deals on their respective sides.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kuhla

I made this for friends and I'm not really sure if anyone here cares but I punched together Anand's test data and combined it with newegg prices for a price/performance spreadsheet. I only used 1920x1200 since that is the resolution that almost all my friends and I play at. I also only selected certian single-gpu cards since my friends and I are very hesitant to consider SLI/CF.

LINK REMOVED, USE THE NEW ONE

Definitely fast but you are still paying a tiny premium for that class leading performance/features. GTX275 and GTX285 lose horribly in price/performance to the 4890. The 4870 (1GB) seems to be currently the best deal on the ATI side and the GTX260 (216) is the best deal on the Nvidia side.

Interested to see how the 5850 might change things. Also wondering if prices will fluctuate as the market adapts to the new king.
09-30-2009, 05:09 PM
Kingcarcas

If this card was a knockout it would probably be $600 so it seems fine to me.
09-30-2009, 05:13 PM
jaredpace

Quote:

Originally Posted by kuhla

Updated sheet: http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pMt...amp;output=html

:up: Nice work. 48701GB, Gtx 260 216, and 5850 are good buys.
09-30-2009, 05:35 PM
villa1n

Quote:

Originally Posted by kuhla

Since it seems a few people liked the chart I posted last time (SEE QUOTE BELOW), I figured I'd update it and post it again:

Updated sheet: http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pMt...amp;output=html

The 5850 is a better deal (from a strictly price/performance perspective) than the 5870 by a decent margin but still doesn't change the fact that the ATI 4870 (1GB) and the Nvidia GTX260 (216) are the best deals on their respective sides.

now you just need to normalize it across several reviews for a more accurate picture. ^^ *not actually serious, lol but the statistician in me speaks*
09-30-2009, 05:47 PM
AbelJemka

Quote:

Originally Posted by kuhla

Since it seems a few people liked the chart I posted last time (SEE QUOTE BELOW), I figured I'd update it and post it again:

Updated sheet: http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pMt...amp;output=html

The 5850 is a better deal (from a strictly price/performance perspective) than the 5870 by a decent margin but still doesn't change the fact that the ATI 4870 (1GB) and the Nvidia GTX260 (216) are the best deals on their respective sides.

Best deals if features are not taken into account (DX11, PhysX, Eyefinity, 3D Vision, etc...)
09-30-2009, 05:53 PM
kuhla

Quote:

Originally Posted by villa1n

now you just need to normalize it across several reviews for a more accurate picture. ^^ *not actually serious, lol but the statistician in me speaks*

I know what you mean lol, and if I had tons of time on my hands I probably would for the sheer fun of it (yes, slight masochist) but I just don't have that kind of time these days :(

Quote:

Originally Posted by AbelJemka

Best deals if features are not taken into account (DX11, PhysX, Eyefinity, 3D Vision, etc...)

Yea, I put in the "from a strictly...", because I know features has it's own value (and it is often a bit more subjective value).
09-30-2009, 06:25 PM
saber63

HOw does it fold? still like crap? or did they change that?

-Levi
09-30-2009, 06:36 PM
Newblar

Quote:

Originally Posted by saber63

HOw does it fold? still like crap? or did they change that?

-Levi

its still crap, but hopefully very soon it will change
http://www.rage3d.com/previews/video.../index.php?p=4
09-30-2009, 11:55 PM
Nomadsoul

Looks like 5870 has no advantage over 5850 on 24' monitor. and 4890 OC'd/5850 are so close @ 1680x1050.
10-18-2009, 03:14 PM
Brodel

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Just to clarify, which areas, other than the RAM, will need cooling if I go for a GPU only waterblock? I don't plan on buying a new one especially for the card but am going to put heatsinks on the RAM and other parts that need it with a fan blowing towards them.

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