Just got a socket R (2011) test board in (not motherboard, just power test board). Good news is that while the socket is physically larger than 1366, the mounting holes for heatsinks are the same :).
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Just got a socket R (2011) test board in (not motherboard, just power test board). Good news is that while the socket is physically larger than 1366, the mounting holes for heatsinks are the same :).
um, ok. :shrug:
What will use it, Sandy Bridge? AFAIK / IIRC, octo-core Nehalem-EX comes
with LGA1566. Having the same mounting holes is nice, but IMO a cooler
(or cooler mounting hw) pales in significance to the cost of a MB and CPU...
Sandy Bridge most likely... 2011 is the year of the great fusion battle "Sandy Bridge vs bulldozer" ohh ya and in 2012 world end dang!!!
This is great for people who bought entry/mid end water cooling systems.
and don't have the ability to drill a few holes in a couple of pieces of metal.Quote:
Originally Posted by ajaidev
Cool so everybody who invested with X58 gets the shaft :D
and why? i already got S1366 for nearly a year now and will be another year or so till Socket R is coming. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by 003
make sure it stays that way... could be they made the test board 1366 compatible cause thats what you can get heatsinks for atm...
wouldnt be surprised if early 1366 testing gear had 775 mounting holes...
oh and socket 1567 or whatever it is looks funny, its like a square of pins, well 2 L shapes, with no pins in the center... reminded me of socketA and 423, just bigger and and lga socket... :D
I thought sandy bridge would be on 1156?
so 2011 must be like the 1366 of sandy bridge.
sandy bridge would have been 1155 not 1156, 1156 has no future update planned.
Most likely sandy bridge and its shrunk will use the same socket "Does not make much sense in other case". 1567 will most likely be high end and server oriented just like 1366. So you could have a 6-8 core sandy bridge for high end "1567" and 4-6 core for mid end "1155"
Other than these 1156B and 1156C are also suppose to come "Dont have much info on them tough"
i thought 1155 is xeon and 1156B is coming in q1 2010 and will support igp cpus, and 1156C is VRM12, so no backwards compatibility...
1366 will go vrm12 too and burn all bridges to the past cpu support wise...
Its a good thing for if Intel do that. They gotta realize that aftermarket heatsinks' compatibility plays some role on newer chips/mobos.
Less headaches for early birds.
This is why I just can't get with Intel - M/Bs are too big (and expensive) to drill and hang on keychains!:rofl:Quote:
Quote:Originally Posted by 003
Cool so everybody who invested with X58 gets the shaft
and why? i already got S1366 for nearly a year now and will be another year or so till Socket R is coming.
I don't think we have to worry about vr12 for a while.
The test board I got has an early vr12 vrm on it for testing.
so Intel encouraging recycle?
Ok so now we have 3 socket types 1366 1156 and 2011 I hate this crap.
I dind't kenw S2011 was already releasd.... :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozzfest05
I dont see whats so funny im not saying its released yet you arrogant bastard, im saying Intel is throwing out new socket types like its going out of style.
Forced upgrade stuff has always been around. Besides, more pins are physically needed for some newer processors.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozzfest05
Enjoy your x58 board, it will be valid for quite some time. Heck, my paltry Q6600 is till kicking ass at a lowly 3600 MHz. I'm still basically gpu bound with my system, there's no reason to upgrade every Intel processor cycle. It's cool what they are coming out with, but the musical sockets is annoying. Until recently I had a S-423 board still going as a general use pc til it died. That socket was around for ~4 months before Intel rendered it obsolete with Northwood.Quote:
Originally Posted by 003
Be nice if they stayed with the some socket format for a while, but Intel is essentially competing against itself. AMD is coming back into the game. AMD needs some very clockable cpu's that are similar to what they did with Socket A & 939. Let Intel put another socket out, why be a lemming?
But i think its more to that. i5's 1156 mobo's are cheap and several mobo makes would be quite unhappy with that. A socket change will force the customer to get a new mobo resulting in profit to the mobo maker. So you have profits coming from 1156 mobo and 1155 mobo.Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
Ahhh maybe its not so but now-a-days everything seems like a conspiracy to me :ROTF:
Before calling someone a bastard, how about checking the past first. :welcome:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozzfest05
ConsumerSockets
Slot 1: ~2 years
S370: ~1year
S423: ~1year
S478 ~3years
S775 (pre C2) ~3 years
S775 (post C2) ~2 years (ongoing)
S1156 few months (ongoing)
Server sockets:
Slot2 ~3 years
S603 ~1 year
S604 ~4 years
S771 ~2 years
S1366 ~1year (ongoing)
And thats only for intel.. amd switched socket far more often, due to the earlier introduction of the IMC, which requires a socket switch every time your switching memory or making significant changes to the platform.
eh wha? socket A was originally competing with socket 370 from intel, then 423, then 478, and even when 775 came out in 2004 socket A was still alive and supported for 1 more year! even after they went imc they kept socket lifetimes very high... only am2 and F were stupid, though you can count am2 and am2+ as one socket just as 775 was seen as 1 socket even though not every 775 cpu works in every 775 board... for amd its actually better cause afaik am2+ cpus and even am3 cpus can work in well designed and maintained am2 boards...Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
socket A 5 years(!)
socket 940 4 years
socket 754 4 years
socket 939 4 years
socket F 3 years ongoing
socket am2 3 years ongoing
socket F+ 2 years ongoing
socket am2+ 2 years ongoing
why are you mixing consumer sockers with server sockets? :p:
also you missing Super Socket 7 and Slot A on amd cosnumer site preaty shortlived once.
Also your caunting whole life time and not to the point where the next socket was introduced (Socket A 2000 -> Socket 754 2003, which makes it 3 years).
kk, lets only do the consumer sockets:-Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
Super Socket 7 1998
Slot A 1999
Socket A 2000
Socket 745 2003
Socket 939 2004
Socket AM2 2006
Socket AM2+ 2007
Socket AM3 2009
So you have a decrease in the socket changes as you go on. AM2,AM2+ & AM3 are quite similar with each other, if we combine the three its like 4+ years. The 939 had 2 years of life and it was a very capable socket, sad it died so soon. Socket A was another strong one that lasted about 3 years that is a long time :yepp: still have one laying around.
Same could be said about S775, infact its physically the same socket over the whole time.Quote:
Originally Posted by ajaidev
If we only go for physically different sockets, that would be 6 vs 8 (intel/amd), but that was not point that i wanted to adress.
Its more the pointed towards the people who always whine about intel/amd when they release a new socket how its sucks and how they force people to buy new stuff...
Could very well just be about test boards. Early 1366 boards had 775 mounting holes.Quote:
Originally Posted by cirthix
Quite the contrary. While you could call AM2(+/3) all the same socket as all boards designed for AM2 with a big enough Bios chip can run all newer cpus physically(provided the m/b vendor provides bios support). In contrast you can divide socket 775 to at least 2 sockets. The pre-conroe socket and the post-conroe socket. Also iirc early boards couldnt be upgraded with dualcores.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...0&postcount=22 :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by BrowncoatGR
Yes but you contradict yourself. If an AM2 board was built according to AMDs recommendations (8bit bios chip) then that board would be physically and electrically compatible with AM2, AM2+ and AM3 CPUs. The same cannot be said for S775. In fact a 4bit bios board can be made Phenom compatible if you drop support for K8 CPUs(iirc Biostar had such a bios for one of their boards)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
Same could be said for S775, they are electrical and physically the same, the only "problem" is the VRM.
The difference between VRM 10 and VRM 11 arn't that huge, the biggest change form there was that it could handle fluctuating loads better. The power they deliver is the same.
But its ok, i let people there belief that switching sockets = evil, especial on intel side.
the lifetime of a socket is not over when a new socket is introduced...Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
not necessarily at least... is that how you listed the intel sockets? in that cause our numbers are not directly comparable...
switching sockets is not evil, its just annoying for customers... 775 was really nice, even with the vrm split in the middle... anybody who saw intels 2012 roadmap and tells me there isnt a socket mess please explain why... :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
iirc 1156 has been just launched and will be eol within a year
and the new socket following that will be eol within a year too... :stick:
intel probably thinks why make a socket last long, itll make it slightly bigger and each board costs 2 cents more to make, for a feature they will most likely never use cause by the time its used, people buy a new board anyways... but why dont they just make the socket 2cents more expensive then? its not like end users would even notice it... and for end users a perceived long lifetime for their socket is worth a lot and makes them happy customers... i think its one of those things that is def worth the little extra investment/cost, but because of how beaurocratic companies calculate and arrange and plan their products cost and margin, it looks like a bad idea even though its not...
775 is/was sweet! So much cpu progress and chipsets in that one.
Well i love the 1366, but looking forward to each new socket personally, big chip likes tight socket!
I'll be happy so long as the mounting holes stay the same so it doesn't thwart my purchase decision on a phase change ss cooler.
Yes our approach is not comparable, since some people here think that when a new socket is released, the old one gets obsolent imidiantly... :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
By the looks right now it seems S775 could be the longest lived socked ever, for consumers.
Duno what you mean by "socket mess", yes there definitly will be a new socket, but the only one we know right now is S2011. Which probably will be a replacement for S1366 or S1567, but thats still a year off, at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
S1155/S1156 will mostly likely be something like AM2/AM2+, and even if they only have a lifetime of a year, its not like that didn't happened before.
ok i'm lost - whats s2011? sandy bridge? whats that? tick or tock of nehalem?
Probably this is a future server socket for upcoming server chips (Sandy Bridge based??) with integrated GPU & PCIe. Such a big number of pins allows to hope that Intel's future server CPU will keep at least 3 mem channels and will bring > 16 (32??) PCIe lanes.Quote:
Originally Posted by tiro_uspsss
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
I don't think so, Sandy bridge is gonna have a new socket 1155. Initially Clarkdale was suppose to come with a 1155 socket but instead of that they will still use 1156 aka H55.
If there was no need for a new 1155 intel would have used the 1156 for sandy bridge also. This would mean 1155/1156 is more like 754/939, when ever 1567 comes it will live a longer life than the 1156 simple because server sockets live longer "eg 1366" 2011 may take longer to come or maybe it is made for a secific range of cpu's.
will most likely be... so you didnt see an intel longterm roadmap :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
and yes, i thought this was the snb socket?
westmere is 1156/1366/15xx with vrm11.1 first and then vrm12 version so of the same sockets, like the 775 11.0 and 11.1 split, but worse, cause new and old wont work together, whether its board and cpu or cpu and board...
S1567 is the MP socket and they have always had a longer livetime, due to the slower product cycle there.Quote:
Originally Posted by ajaidev
Im not sure about S1155, since as you mentioned clarkdale was planed to use it, but also can be used with S1156.
We'll see what happens with S1155 next year, but i remember that i read something back in Q1 2009 that S1155 was just for development and the unified everything on S1156.
That makes no sense? Sure VRM 12 cpus wont work in VRM11 mobos, but VRM11 cpus will work in VMR12 mobos. It was always that way that VRM specs where backward compatible.Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
I doubt it. In fact Intel has much more relaxed specs for H2 (1155).Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
I suppose some fundamental changes in the power distribution in Sandy Bridge cpus lead to replacing VRM by the new version.
http://www.overclockers.ru/images/ne.../06/lga_02.jpg
http://www.overclockers.ru/images/ne.../06/lga_01.jpg
too many sockets IMHO...
The next step for Intel is one socket per speed bin :ROTF:
yes, if you dont know how vrm12 works, that makes no sense... :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
Another new socket? Not really surprising though, coming from Intel. Seriously, they should be just like AMD, and not introduce new sockets every year or so. But whatever, if this brings them money, I guess that all it matters.