http://images.plurk.com/3872536_c2ff...7e8baf6204.gif
http://images.plurk.com/3872536_cdb4...b1a57cec59.gif
Coolife.con.cn
Printable View
Is it only me that's like ????? Only one question comes into mind? WHYYY? Design (and naming i55) also reminds me of Biostar with a slight touch of colorscheme from EVGA. Not saying I dislike it, I'm just so confused, it doesn't make any sense, they got full range covered for P55 already and this is really an oddball. :D But what's offered looks very reasonable if price is right but it's definitely not any real highend board, more like mid-to-high, something there between 150 ~ 180 EUR.
But what it really looks to be about is this "TUF"-design, what does that short form stand for?
This reminds me of that super ugly "military" board that looked exactly like this one (those colors).
I pass on this one
if it performs is all that counts for me... looks are subjective anyway...
Good lord. EVGA's FTW, BFG's new "FU" series and now a TUF. Next up: ASRock P55 OMG Ultimate.
Question is Sir Michael are you TUF enough to test it :o
@Off topic : Did you guys had a go with the Asus Matrix 285 ?
GPU reviews have been on hold for the last two months since I wanted some quality time trying out Windows 7 in order to decide when we should make the transition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
As for this board, as long as it isn't another one of ASUS' technology demonstrators instead of a real board, I am sure we are TUF enough. ;)
i can only assume that this board was built for maximum longevity, my hope is that will result in excellent overclocking longevity. or perhaps this board is better suited for sub-zero duties.....
Doesnt look to nice cosmetically speaking.
reminds me of the tank like board they didnt release
Memory cooling looks to be an interesting feature...
the ultimate force... quantumforce anyone? :D
eew at the colors...
interesting heatsink coating tech... but i really dont get what this board is targeted at? the only special thing is the heatsink coating... and weird and ugly colors and heatsinks :shrug:
hooray for trying something new asus... but... what exactly is it supposed to be ^^
Next series is going to be LOL :)
Yes this really reminds me of that fugly militaryboard, waste of resources.
I won't let the paint deceive me, its just another P55 board.:rolleyes:
Very cool like military design...
the LOL series apparently has the caps and chipsets etc at the back of the board so all you see is the cpu socket, memory and pci-e :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by BulldogPO
no, you got it all wrong, the LOL series has the cpu socket and pciE slots and memory slots on the backside of the board! ^^Quote:
Originally Posted by dduckquack
I think its difficult to determine the purpose or target audience for this board with only two screenshots, and I think that also makes it difficult to pass judgement on the board at the moment. Obviously I cant comment on the performance of the motherboard, but I at least see the color scheme in a positive light. I think the market at the moment has a sufficient amount of black and red, or black, white and blue colors schemes for motherboards. Its refreshing to see a change in this trend, although I'm not everyone is a fan of this color scheme, I reckon there are some in the modding community who will appreciate it. I don't particularly agree with the choice of heatsinks though, they seem a daft really, kind of a try hard sci-fi theme, not sure what ASUS were aiming at. But then again, I guess you could always just remove them!
Also not sure about the demographic for this board and...
What the !!!! is with all the exclamation marks in the marketing names?!
Crappy MOSFTET heatsinks... And no digital PWM still I bet.
Fugly colours. And it's ASUS... :rolleyes:
When spoken, the exclamation marks are to be delivered with a stiff karate chop to the cranium. This aids adoption by promoting a sizeable reduction in frontal lobe brain cells.Quote:
Originally Posted by K404
I think they picked them up off gamer tags btw..
later
BTW, I do like the appearance of the board though (aside from the rogue orange coloured SATA connecter). It's hard to come up with anything new really. This is a little different and as with all things, perhaps an acquired taste.
I bet this is for watercooler guys (I hope..) http://www.tcmagazine.com/comments.php?id=28955&catid=2Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
http://www.tcmagazine.com/images/new...i_board_03.jpg
http://www.tcmagazine.com/images/new...i_board_04.jpg
http://www.tcmagazine.com/images/new...i_board_05.jpg
looks like a lovechild of Biostar and EVGA.
looks like one of P7P55-series boards just with different color scheme and a lot of PR slogans attached
feature1:
so, they deliberately made P7P55 heatsinks so crap so that they can come up later and say "we have it improved" ?
feature2:
no way, you can't place a fan on the mems on a regular board. this is so goood, thanks asus
Muhahahahaha.
:ROTF:
Sorry, that's all I have to say on this :rofl:
ASUS FTL Series 55i .. Sabertooths!(?) Weapons for cooling!(?) 1337 talk!(?) http://crmafia.co.cc/smilies/CourtRecords/awesome.png Get it today! *not*
...the hell with Asus?! :censored:
This board is just... FAIL... :shakes:
Asus....... This board.........BS Asus marketing = a bunch of useless s**t that is designed to dupe noobs into paying 200% more than the gear is worth.
I guess all I really have to say is....
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x...arf_boy556.jpg
hahahahhahah wow that pic was really not what i expected... :lol:
same color as the green on the board! :D
Well as long as the price point is correct and the performance is there, that is all I care about.
As for looks, all mobo's look the same with insulation:D
I normally try to avoid BS marketing gimmicks, but this is just waaaayy over the line. I could never take this board seriously no matter how well it performs.
This is seriously so LOL and so FTL that it SRYSLY looks like a fake joke.
The MemOK and the mofset cooling thing with the upside down ¡ r just ROFFLESAUCE.
It looks like Asus are just messing around and making fun of MSI and Gigabyte, but even things like Circupipe (circular heatpipe), DR Mos (named after some MSI boss person), and Ultra Durable are far far far less lame sounding then this junk from Asus is.
No way can this board be real. It must have been photoshopped by a 12 year old genius of a prankster.
where's the 8pin power connector?
edit: found it :D
umm, i actually thought this was toned down, ie better looking, than popular gigabyte or evga boards.
I agree, I also like the more subtle coloring.Quote:
Originally Posted by grimREEFER
But really, if the board is good and has a decent layout then it might as well look ugly for all I care.
:lol: @ the backlash. Crying over some marketing catch phrases... pull that log out of your ass pretty please. It's meant to attract the military buff (geek :p:) types, therefore the camo colors and all the acronym mumbo jumbo.
I can see how some people can't dig the color palette, but then again there are also those of us whose tastes have moved beyond the screaming crayon primaries on neutrals combo prevalent in current component visual design trends. Someone has taken an initiative to stir things up a bit and offer something slightly different looking and whether it sets off a new trend or not I find this a welcome addition. I'd wait for some high resolution marketing beauty shots before forming a definitive opinion though; snuck out low res thumbs of actual slides intended for retail briefings can be a bit decieving.
Feature wise this board seems more of a midrange product, more like the EVO equivalent rather than that of a ROG board. Hope there are more of these in the pipeline.:up:
TUF- the ultimate fail, no seriously wth does it stand for?
For anyone too dumb or oblivious to even properly read the slides (I know that ol' finger is itchin' for a speedy troll):
TUF stands for The Ultimate Force, which in it self barely means anything, but as an acronym could be read out loud as tough, a (catch) phrase that plays nicely into the main selling point behind this line of products: superior durability. The name was made to fit the acronym "after the fact" which is not uncommon in the marketing world.
http://images.plurk.com/3872536_c2ff...7e8baf6204.gif
Says so right on the PCB, left of the CPU socket: the writing beneath the big logo, which also reads as TUF (with a little bit of imagination some of you apparently lack).
Now please get on with the programme and write something constructive for a change.:rolleyes:
Jesus, are they effing serious? How about that. Asus dishing out more stuff that they will overcharge and undersupport. I can see it now: "Oh, right, you folks need new BIOS? TUF " "Your board died and you wanna RMA? TUF" Well f*&K it, lets hope they have a one shot perfect OC board that'll never need any support. As for the design, looks like :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:, not that it really matters since boards get pretty much all covered up w/ components any how.
Edit: Totally love the CoolMem FAN BRACKET "Innovation"
Asus TUF Series Motherboards ... Because we all take hammers to Asus boards once in a while...
The board itself does look kinda ugly, though I've seen worse. Only 4 SATA ports? Lame.
I just dont understand where this fits into the p55 lineup. We've already seen a full range of products from the budget all the way to the ROG board, and this seems totally unnecessary. Giving the consumer options is generally a good thing, but there reaches a point where its just overkill. I can only imagine that if they had fewer boards per series they would save money on R&D, produce better quality boards, and offer better support and bios updates for each product.
uhh...I count 8...not 4Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrono Detector
but there are only 4 that sit at a right angle
the other 4 sit right below the drive xpert (one is orange, one is white, the other two are black)
Quote:
Originally Posted by sholvaco
Hey not everyone looks at these things with a magnifying glass. So go easy with the attitude silly.
Also they call the mosfets and caps "TUF" which makes you believe they use some kind of new technology no one knows about. But is actually just bs. confusing, but thats marketing.
Most will notice the TUF to "TOUGH" since the posting;).
Marketing is the main move for the board, since their already ample line-up should suffice. Plus they have the "ROG" too.
Or, are their current line-up not "tough" enough, that they feel the need of adding "TUF".:p:
Their new Gigabyte-inspired Xtreme Design is supposed to do all the buffing for their newer mobos, right?
Woooww nice motherboard......how much it cost?
the TUF series is better thank ROG edition? :p
I have a feeling that asus designers might have a problem these days.
We don't know pricing yet or performance. I like the look of the board, its just a matter of how well it works.
I think people take offence to companies slapping cheesy gimmick names to technology that in some cases is nothing special. Cut that stuff out and you probably drop 50% of the hate right there.
MemOK worked fine on my GENE II, no comments ther. Is it really needed ? If you know what you are doing, nope... but did I allready tell you it works nicely :pQuote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
If the ceramique cooling works, I would prefer it, over them silly alloy copper plated heatsink rollercoasters anytime.... time will tell it this stuff works and isn't just a PR's guys wet dream...
Does look fugly but if it performs well then its all good really
+1:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by raju
Mem OK on the ROG latest BIOS, you can save a BIOS profile to the button and engage it quickly at boot. Nice quick load feature to boot the board I guess if you need it.
Btw, the ceramic hs on this board seems to work to an extent, a colleague is testing the board as we speak.
regards
Raja
only "concept" as Asus Marine Cool ????
Guys this board is an obvious fake.
Anyone taking this thread seriously must be a complete clown.
The source link is REALLY REALLY credible, I think not.
Also, if anyone actually thinks that the MemOK, Ceramix and all the other features are any better than the competition just because Asus say so, you are nothing more than a tool for that company and very easilly brainwashed.
How do I know it is a fake? Simple, the board is not announced by asus, and does not appear among their new P55 line.
And it is called an I55 for crying out loud, the obvious fake is beyond obvious, and just about everyone else is taking this thread seriously.
Then the one we have in the lab must be a mirage.Quote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
You have been a bit random the last few days Raja :D Maybe you're dehydrated and showing the first signs of madness :D
Could be the additional heat dump into the room from the ceramic heatsinks. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by K404
And I'll just QFT this if it is for real.Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
Nothing more then a joke of a motherboard.
Worst ASUS release ever.
Well is an ugly board with a lot more bells and whistles, but the more choices available, the better ;)
In case anyone is actually interested in what is really the premises behind this board please keep reading.
The TUF series is not focused toward the bencher or the overclocker. It is a board that has been designed and validated (the validation process is different for this board than our standard series i.e P6T or P5Q ). This board design is for a segment interested in having a high quality component board that is designed for durability and reliability with additional cooling. Now all our boards we design with a commitment to quality, reliability and performance this is just a board that pushes a little more in a specific mindset. As with all our boards we incorporate enthusiast functionality such as overclocking but this board is not designed for the overclocking community as our ROG series is. Just like our workstation series which end up getting used outside of its designed segment I am sure this board will but it is being focused at the same type of person that may purchased our PRO or Deluxe series board but have a different mindset of how they will run the system. Hope this clears things up a little.
Well if the ceramix heatsinks work, why not include these in the higher end mobo's, same for the other components... or is TUF an inbetween between the standard mobo's and the ROG series... Too many boards is also not good, makes chosing even more difficult... and makes updating biosses a slow process...
I agree sometimes too many choices can be complicated but that is why it is key all parties (us, reviewers) involved correctly report what each boards focus segment and design process is geared towards. Additionally for ROG many users mod their boards so we implement a high quality heatsink solution with spacing to ensure airflow but at the same time factor in whether or not it will be removed. With the TUF series the focus will be the user will run at stock so we want a higher quality heatsink in place because they will not replace it or mod it. Many of you seem to want to criticize our design innovations whether they are small or large but it is also important to remember your usage model falls outside of the intended audience. Additionally without our consistent focus at pushing motherboard design in little and big ways the enthusiast community would not have many of the options and component designs that are used today. I look forward to this release as it is something special essentially an workstation board but with an enthusiast mindset along with some additional hardware and aesthetic design elements that have been incorporated. I look forward to letting this boards feature set and performance and functionality speak for itself when it is released.
Will have to ask for a sample then :) When are these foreseen to be available for reviewing ?
Nice to get the asus point of view! You make a fair point, this board isn't really aimed at us, I will stick to my watercooled Ramapage 2 :PQuote:
Originally Posted by illuminatiASUS
why would someone want an ASUS board that is more durable than other ASUS boards ? :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by illuminatiASUS
are you saying that the quality of the P7P55D lineup "could be better"?
I don't see why I should be paying extra for 'extra' validation. A regular joe board will certainly not croak even if used mildly for overclocking, and as you can probably tell Gigabyte's budget motherboards have been newegg's customer choice many times in a row. The biggest beef I have with motherboard manufacturers is unnecessary diversification of portfolios, with a tiny list of features being all that differentiate two models from each other.
My problem here is nothing to do with the board itself, but rather the ridiculous naming scheme. If the board isnt meant to be a high end, why does it need to be called a 'Sabertooth TUF' with Ceramix and all the other flashy features?
We have a mid range board pretty much being advertised as one of the best boards available.
This is what people are complaining about, not the board itself.
The advertising on the board is what makes it looks like a complete joke. It is far too overdone for a board that is meant to be for the mid range.
So will we see a TUF series X58? I think its kinda cool myself.
Also, how about a minimalist/legacy free board (with the TUF mindset) for the folks that do not want PCI, IDE, Floppy, PS/2, onboard audio, onboard NIC, etc. Now that would be different and refreshing to me.
Either way, all these features hitting P55 better start hitting X58 because P55 is starting to look better from a marketing point of view.
I appreciate everyone's feedback and it is really great to get to read everyone’s opinion information. With that said in reference to this TUF board it is important to understand you already pay for extra validation when you by any ASUS board (this is not a new practice and has been common on server boards since their inception in general). We have over 100 man team for motherboard R&D and that is just the beginning when it comes to our design and validation process. They are many aspect users as well as reviewers do not take the time to understand or see when you compare one board to the next ( an easy one would be our ESD diodes which we place on a motherboard to safeguard the south bridge , pch or other board components from failing due to esd discharge. These features along with many other aspects of our boards down to the entry level to our highest end board all go through validation and testing to ensure the commitment to ASUS quality we are known for. Now there are some with the perspective these quote on quote features are useless feature because it does not improve your 3d mark vantage or super pi score, while it is true there are some features or design implementations that do ZERO for increasing performance we do not treat board design just for a performance standpoint (although historically I feel with confidence I can state ASUS has set the bar for performance).
http://in.asus.com/news_show.aspx?id=11605
These are also features that end up being appreciated and become inherent to our quality and reliability even thought the user is not aware of them. Ultimately TUF is about extending our already high quality design and validation process to a specific segment just like we did for ROG. There were also people who first saw ROG and were like why? What’s the point I can already overclock on my current board. The point being is sometimes to make new design you need to break away from the segmentation that limits your design implementations. This is where we see TUF going just as we are doing with ROG creating a specific segment where via R&D, Media/Reviewer input, End user input we can continue to develop and refine designs for a specific type of board for individuals that want a high grade enthusiast board but without the gaming or OC focus.
In terms of advertising this is always based in perception and there is no perfect compromise, to some things are excessive and to others they are flat and not distinct enough. I honestly feel there is nothing wrong with the name of the board. The user is the one that judges whether or not it is excessive and whether they feel it promotes a mindset for what we want for this board which is Tough and rugged and designed with that mindset. It is also important to remember the way the information was viewed was not the way the normal end user would see these messages. The presentation file shown here was confidential and for internal reference. We do try and minimize excessive marketing messages on our board packaging and provide the features that are present. I also do not see a problem in advertising the hardware we develop. Tprobe is a hardware that had to be designed and implemented just like Turbo V EVO or Turbo V both required hardware ics on the board. There is a lot that goes into design and development. With all this I feel it is important to help market it so users can be aware of them. Ultimately it is their choice on whether or not it is important to them. At this point I think all we can really do right now is await the board’s arrival and what to see what the users and reviewers say. If anyone as any real questions on a feature or functionality please feel free to let me know and I will do my best to answer it. THANK YOU TO EVERYONE FR THEIR FEEDBACK AND OPINION PLEASE ENJOY THE REST OF YOUR DAY.
You sure are TUFing it out here :p:
Thanks for your participation.
What does TUF means?? Totally Useless Features??
if the heatsinks are so "high quality", then why is there a freaking plastic cover on the sb heatsink on most of the new boards? What's with the heatpipes leading to other heat sources? Heatpipes are supposed to lead to other surfaces to get rid of the heat.
The Ultimate Force apparantly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bromptoners
I dont really see why a midrange motherboard is worthy of such nomenclature, from the advert in OP it seems like it should be the motherboard equivalent of Jesus.
But totally useless features seems a lot more accurate to me.
The heatsinks themselves are barely adequate and below average quality for a motherboard being advertised like this one is, but from my understanding, Ceramix would not be refering to the heatsinks, but rather the thermal paste that they use.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boogerlad
This would be similar to a VGA card company taking a graphics card with stock cooling, but applying a better thermal paste and therefore advertising it as 'The Ultimate Force' because it has better paste and is maybe a few degrees cooler.
The cooling on this motherboard looks like pants, Im pretty sure that both MSI and Gigabyte can deliver much much better quality cooling at the same price point that this board will be aimed at.
The Ultimate Force Sabertooth motherboard with Ceramix, TUF Mofsets, TUF caps and MemOK ...
Is a bare bones, average, and mid range product with minimal cooling.
I think they were just trying to find something better to say then '100% solid steel Japanese mofsets', and some star wars fan working at ASUS came up with 'The Ultimate Force' instead.
Man give it a rest, if you don't like the board or the way it's being marketed, tell it once and don't nag about it after post post. You have already made an ... of yourself with ya claims, that have already been proven wrong in this thread. And yet you continue to speculate...
You will prolly answer me with freedom of speech or some other silly talk... In fact I don't even care what you reply to my post, just go and flame somewhere else. Try something constructive for once, will be far harder...
If constructors didn't innovate we would still be in the dark ages with big caps, active heatsinks, etc... if you don't like it ignore it and buy something else...
Whatever.
My point with calling it fake initially was that it was genuinely unbelievable to me. Being a real product just goes to show how out of touch Asus marketting is, and how genuinely guillable some people can be when the words 'TUF, MemOk, Ceramix' etc etc are plastered all across the product.
You made a point about innovation, but what exactly is innovating about this product? Can you care to explain that to me?
I strongly dislike current motherboard advertising practice and have even complained about it on MSI forums, getting the opinion in their belief that this level of ridiculous marketting and also in some cases, strange and weird video game characters on the box is what customers want.
There is absolutely no big deal and nothing innovative about slapping a complex leet speech name on a product and making a big deal out of the thermal paste used on barely minimum heatsinks.
If the ceramix heatsinks work and dissipate the heat far better than the normal copper plated crap which is found on many many motherboards this might be good. Also it might allow to use smaller heatsinks instead of the bulky, rollercoaster we see lately. Setback might be that they are far more expensive to produce...This might be very good for the watercooling guys as less heat is near the CPU socket, which is a big issue with X58. At least my two ASUS boards heat up enormously in the PWM area due to lack of airflow. Stability is enhanced big time with some extra airflow... I've not tested P55 but will get some gear this week to test the new Corsair Lynfield ram kit... might be interesting to measure some heatsink temps and if I can get this mobo to compare it...
I tested the MemOk on the Gene II and I have to say that it works. Is it a daily requirement ? absolutely no as the users that start to mess with ram timings etc will know how to reset the bios, adjust etc... same for the ram adjustments on the Matrix card, not beneficial for the daily user, for the tweaker it will allow higher clocks and gain him some extra points in his benches.. does everyone need E-Sata, 8 sata ports, 2 raid controllers etc... ? but it will sell better which is why they add these features... to be different then the rest...
I'm absolutely not a fanboy of any special brand, as a reviewer I have to remain objective... colour design is to each his own, features too,... but I have to admit that some times the marketing guys go nuts. Sometimes they are not even aware of the real specs, etc... best example was the phase cooler by Thermaltake keeping an Oc"ed E8600@4ghz (I think) at 20°C lower than the stock cooler lol...
But rollercoasters, aka heatpipes do their job a lot better than plain aluminium coolers do. Also, copper bases dissipate heat better than these dinky heatsinks will.
If the ceramix does work better, you can always buy some and apply it yourself on a better heatpipe cooler.
Having said that, heatpipe coolers are for people who want to overclock. If you dont want to, then why is this ceramix on a mid range board going to be of any importance?
just for selling their boards...thing that motherboard makers do often by screaming at their new technologyQuote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
Have you tested this board or this technology ? Nope, so don't take conclusions so soon... and it's not paste mate, it's a plating that should allow better heat dissapation, also did it say somewhere, that they are not using eg copper base on the P55 chipset heatsink ? Await a good review and then draw conclusions based on facts, not on speculations.Quote:
Originally Posted by bhavv
But rollercoasters, aka heatpipes do their job a lot better than plain aluminium coolers do. Also, copper bases dissipate heat better than these dinky heatsinks will.
If the ceramix does work better, you can always buy some and apply it yourself on a better heatpipe cooler.
Having said that, heatpipe coolers are for people who want to overclock. If you dont want to, then why is this ceramix on a mid range board going to be of any importance?
For my own personal taste : I prefer seperate heatsinks anytime over them silly heatpipes... If it generates heat, there's no need to heat up other components too, due to the interconnection by the heatpipe... give me a decent heatsink with a fan !! Far more efficient for my needs...
Quote:
The TUF series is not focused toward the bencher or the overclocker. It is a board that has been designed and validated (the validation process is different for this board than our standard series i.e P6T or P5Q ). This board design is for a segment interested in having a high quality component board that is designed for durability and reliability with additional cooling
Glad Asus explained the premise of this board. Because i dident know wth this board was created for, and im still not sure. Nothing in the name/graphs suggest that this board is more durable then another one. Except TUF < tough?...right. Why not promote this validation process instead?. Atleast Gigabyte dident confuse anyone with their 2 oz boards.
hey illuminatiASUS, cool to have an asus rep here!!! :toast:
i still dont get it though, so what makes this board more durable?
cooling:
the heatsinks are clearly focussed on design and looking special and not for perfect cooling efficiency... plus they are passive, if you want to make sure the board stays really cool why not add a slilent high mtbf fan or two... heatsink coating can maybe get you 5C lower temps, adding a silent fan gets you 10C+
there is a fan bracket on the board to mount a 40mm fan for the memory... but do you actually bundle a fan? whats its mtbf rating?
if your not bundling a fan this feature might backfire on you as most 40mm fans have a pretty bad mtbf and are likely to cause more annoyance to customers than fun in the long term.
validation:
so what special validation does this board go through?
thanks for the insight on what testing all asus boards go through, but you havent mentioned anything about the special validation of this series or additional implemented failsafe mechanisms.
components:
the only thing i can find on google about tuf capacitors is sites posting and quoting asus PR material which doesnt contain any technical information about those special capacitors... they look like just plain solid capacitors, the same that are used on other asus boards.
now i get why the military look, this series is aiming at durability and reliability... thats still confusing though cause i thought thats what the workstation series was aiming for as well...
you did a great job in actually pointing out what this board and series is supposed to be, the marketing slides clearly fail as nobody even got a hint of what the board and series is supposed to be about until you came up and took the time to clarify it here... thanks again for doing so btw :toast:
i have a feeling that this board is supposed to LOOK more durable and reliable and thats all the effort that was put into this... i hope im wrong though and you can post some actual specs about the improved reliability of the used components and validation :toast:
Maybe the rep wanted to mention this :
Quote:
"This board design is for a segment interested in having a high quality component board that is designed for durability and reliability withOUT additional cooling"
that doesnt make any sense though... all components mtbf is rated at a certain temperature and most critical components have a mtbf rating at a high and at a low temperature. we all know that the cooler you keep your system the lower the chance is that it will fail after some time... theres a direct relation between temperature and reliability, so why would you NOT add extra cooling on a product that is supposed to be more durable?Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
thats the very first thing that makes sense, reduce the products operating temperature, that will immediatly and directly increase its mtbf...
and thats what asus did with the tuf series, they did add a ceramic coating to the heatsinks to improve cooling...
im just saying instead of having a bracket people probably plug in cheap low mtbf fans, bundling a high mtbf low silent fan would work much better...
Without additional cooling I meant it is not required when using eg a WC setup that you need to put an extra fan over the PWM's, as the Ceramix stuff cools already better than a tradiotnal heatsink...
It's all about the gimmicks Saaya, you know that... anything to boost sales... but I'm intrigued by this ceramique stuff...
Wow talk about a live debate. Interesting reading. As i previously stated one very key feature of this board is the additional validation which is performed outside of ASUS to qualify the quality and durability of the board. I will follow up tomorrow with some additional information that will hopefully allow you guys to see ASUS does not take its innovation and design process lightly. Although some users may feel sometimes overwhelmed by marketing hype the truth is that there are real engineers behind the scenes designing and validating ideas for real world implementation and we are proud of our consistent innovation in the motherboard segment ( by the way we implemented 2oz copper before GB did on our P5E64 WS EVO board ). Yes there will be times that things are not perfect or could be better but we are trying to design the best boards while still keeping pricing and segmentation in mind which is key. Realistically it would be easy for us to go extreme and make crazy super specific boards but that is not realistic or practical. Additionally you can "quote on quote" change a part with a better solution ( than what was provided onboard ) but we are trying to provide a solution that not only works well but is superior to the standard implementation. Some in this community might not understand that because you inherently break away with the norm of what is implementation or is stock regardless of its quality or design implementation. With that said I will update this thread tomorrow with additional features stack and some interesting information to show you why we call this board TUF. Please enjoy the rest of your day.
a fan would still cool much better :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
well it shouldnt be...Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
thx for looking into the details illuminatiasus
Sorry for the delay in getting this information out. It has been very busy as I am sure you guys can imagine. As i was previously stating one of the very big factors in regards to the TUF series is the validation of the quality and durability of the board. Now the key reason why this is important is it is an independent review and standard with its own tolerances. I have noted these below. Additionally the CeraM!X coating technology is ultimately about providing additional surface area to provide improved heat dissipation. I am not going to go into all the details or features as will let the media do its job in this regard. My main point was to be able to show this is not just marketing hype and although the Xtreme segment may not see the need or demand for a product that is intended for a ultra durable / reliability / cool, high performance and high quality design (at stock settings or light OC) the same could be said when people say what is the point of designing motherboards that for nothing more than benching and hardcore overclcoking. The knife cuts both ways. We are trying to provide solutions that actually have thoughtful designs behind them and provide them to the marketplace. We have always done this and continue to do so and without it many of the benefits the Xtreme Community benefits from would not be present.
for passing the rigid reliability tests of the following components:
Capacitors
Thermal Shock Test (MIL-STD-202G TEST METHOD 107G)
Moisture Resistance Test (MIL-STD-202G TEST METHOD 106G)
Salt Spray Test (MIL-STD-883G method 1009.8)
Solderability Test (MIL-STD-202G 208H Test Method)
Solder Bath Test (MIL-STD-202G-210F Test Method)
Vibration Test (MIL-STD-202G Method 201A)
Mechanical Shock Test (MIL-STD-202G Method 213B Condition D)
MOSFETs
Thermal Shock Test (MIL-STD-883G 1011.9)
Vibration Test (MIL-STD-883 Method 2007.2 Condition A)
Mechanical Shock Test (MIL-STD-883G2002.4)
Visit the ASUS website at www.asus.com for the test report.
Testing laboratory, Integrated Service Technology,
is accredited by:
IEC/IECQ 17025 certificate of independent test laboratory approval
Certificate No. : T1091
ISO 17025 accredited in respect of laboratory is approved by TAF
Certificate No. : L0835-080922
ISO 9001 certificate is approved by TUV CERT certification body of TUV NORD Cert GmbH
So this is the Hummer under the motherboards ? Build to last...
ohhh hohohohohoho, so the components are tuv tested and people at asus dont know how to pronounce the u with two dots, so they basically spell it tuf, and thats where the name for this board comes from? :D
i dont think this series makes much sense, i think it will only make people question how reliable and durable NON tuf boards are... if anything people will say "please add those features to my ROG or deluxe or pro mainboard"
will the "premium" series of mainboards continue?
isnt that the same as what tuf is? very robust long life components?
i think the segments are rather confusing for end users... picture them in a shop and the shop owner asks them what board they want.
do they want the board to last long, overclock well, have a lot of additional io ports and raid etc... im pretty sure most customers will say yes to all 3 points, and then be confused that there isnt one board that has all of this, instead they somehow have to decide what to focus on more... i dont think thats a good idea... but good luck, at least asus is always trying something new and different :toast:
Some of the tech is destined for other product classes if it proves to be beneficial to a justfiable degree. I think the problem here is that these pics were leaked before they were supposed to be. Obviously the casues people to raise questions that were going to be answered on the original schedule.
to leeghoofd:I wasn't saying that is something for sure...but that is common
Seems sexier the board in real pics :)
I know mate, my response was not to you, but to mister I know it all, tested it, disliked it and I know how to do it better... (corrected my post with the quote)
I dont see why this board wouldn't be a good overclocker with all high grade components. Although they could completely fail on the bios options.
Build a TUF X58 and I will be your friend! ;)
((I personally like this TUF board *shrug*))
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by Zorlac
:up:
com port :)
really bad spot for the com port though (yes...I do use a com port still....datalogging for my UPS)
I see lot of bad opinios here, and at first I tend to agree. Buuuut, then I look at this little puppy right here, and I see PS2 ports, and IDE connector, and good old school jumper CLR CMOS. And some clean and solid VRM area, and I really can't wait to put this under LN2. I think this is a board for extreme overclocking, without useless bling. And this, I like :)
http://lab501.ro/forum/attachment.ph...1&d=1253558489
nooooooo, that piece of scrap can actually make it into retail :(
^
Someone pointing a gun at your head, forcing you to buy one?
Ruh roh... first the slot colors, then the animu roboto and now this? Seems like an unending string of possible copyright infringement litigations with these guys. Tsk, tsk ASUS, when will you ever learn? :cow:
v
I dont know if it's already been brought up (yeah yeah, I should read the whole thread but theres generally too much garbage in the news section for that), but surely UFC has "TUF" trademarked already? :P