almost loose my system for just 2 o-rings

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06-24-2009, 06:00 AM
andressergio

almost loose my system for just 2 o-rings

For stupid as it may seems i almost lost my system for 2 simple brand new o-rings that came with my BFG GTX285 H2O OC wich came with a danger den full cover block and some DD barbs...

i put it to work a month ago and 3 days ago i looked inside the PC and BOTH barbs where leaking from the o-rings...inmediately i turn everything off and pull apart all...thanks god as the block has a big surface water didn't drop...

here are some pic, yesterday i sent a mail to BFG, i been building water systems and never happened this...

the barbs as i took them a month after use

see how destroyed they are and i didn even thigthen them much...they look like o-rings used for years...and also left the residue on the copper of the water block

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/9508/p1020546k.jpg

so well i starded building again i took the chance to clean all and put new tygons just running destilled + some drops of algae control and testing for leaks on that part

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/8212/p1020574i.jpg

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/1968/p1020605u.jpg

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/5171/p10205881.jpg

after hours of running and testing for leaks i put it to work again

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/3204/p1020599z.jpg

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/3348/p1020600.jpg

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/4460/p1020621.jpg

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/7995/p1020611.jpg

and finally after cleaning all temps drop and are great considering im on 22C ambient and im runing the Q9650 vid 1,1875 that heats up a lot and sharing the loop with the GTX at that OC on the pic

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/9...00newtemps.jpg

Cheers all :up:
Sergio
06-24-2009, 08:06 PM
Navanod

Thank goodness I bought a dozen spare O-rings from Vincent and use them to replace worn or suspected ones when i last redid the loop

Lucky for you to have checked before the leak hits anything
06-24-2009, 08:18 PM
lennox

Quote:

Originally Posted by andressergio

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/1968/p1020605u.jpg

that's a good pic to show how big of a gap is left when using worm clamps :cool:
06-24-2009, 08:21 PM
Sparky

Quote:

Originally Posted by lennox

that's a good pic to show how big of a gap is left when using worm clamps :cool:

Mine don't have a gap like that at all. I'm using a different brand tho.
06-24-2009, 08:23 PM
Navanod

Thats why I switched to spring clamps...
06-24-2009, 08:40 PM
Conumdrum

You can't see the metal under the outside clamp ring. There is clamping force beyond what the pics can show.

Pics are one thing. Holding a clamp in your hand and seeing it how it surrounds the tubing is another.

Don't tell me your basing your tubing secure methods religion on a picture. Thats not a XS way of thinking.............

Funny...........................
What happened to Lennox's post?
06-24-2009, 11:36 PM
Navanod

Ermmm....I think I've used this type of clamps before and noticed the gap, plus how the thinner walled tubings tend to get squeezed into that gap, causing a minor leak
ie. its not a 360 seal, more of a 320 with a 40 gap
06-25-2009, 06:03 AM
andressergio

clamps

guys

i never ever had any leaks using this clamps, the leak came from the original o-rings on the barbs that came on the VGA...

i built 5 using this clamps and as you cant see it the other part of the clamp (inside the gap) is holding the tube.

the point of my topic was to show how the hell in a month 2 o rings at the same time can be destroyed as on the pic i show at the top, i claimed to BFG this still no answer but for me they came bad, im runing just destilled + some drops of anti algae nothing more. After a month when i saw the leak i took them out and looked like used for 5 years...this is the point, and im also very carefull in terms of tighten things too much.

Cheers all
Sergio
06-25-2009, 07:29 AM
RCG_Bex

That looks nasty! BFG don't seem to have a good run with their watercooled cards. Same problem every time. Suprised no one has learned from it yet!

~Bex
06-25-2009, 08:17 AM
Waterlogged

Quote:

Originally Posted by RCG_Bex

That looks nasty! BFG don't seem to have a good run with their watercooled cards. Same problem every time. Suprised no one has learned from it yet!

~Bex

Actually, this looks to be a failure on BP's part since they are DD's fatboy supplier.
06-25-2009, 08:26 AM
Kibbler

What coolant mix were you using before?

Could be a combination of that and hot-cold cycles. Hey it happened to the Challenger...
06-25-2009, 08:42 AM
andressergio

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kibbler

What coolant mix were you using before?

Could be a combination of that and hot-cold cycles. Hey it happened to the Challenger...

i was using the same as always 95% destilled + 5% glycol + some drops of anti algae, now i rebuilt all and clean all very very good and only running destilled + some drops of anti algae

Cheers
Sergio
06-25-2009, 08:51 AM
xzulu

Damn dude! That almost killed your wonderful system! luckily you save it in time.
06-25-2009, 08:53 AM
andressergio

Quote:

Originally Posted by RCG_Bex

That looks nasty! BFG don't seem to have a good run with their watercooled cards. Same problem every time. Suprised no one has learned from it yet!

~Bex

well this is my first BFG and clocks amazing but never expected this specially so much degradation on the orings, as if i where some kind of acid on the loop...all other orings on other pieces are perfect and running for months....and this ones only last a month....
06-26-2009, 04:50 AM
blaxtr3m3

Compression fittings FTW !! :D
06-26-2009, 05:01 AM
MomijiTMO

Umm the tubing isn't going to come off FROM THAT TINY GAP. Gee, I'm not sure how you thought that would happen, it's just not possible. That has to be the funniest thing I've read all day besides MJ jokes.
06-26-2009, 05:26 AM
Mescalamba

I have one tiny advice for you.. DON'T USE WATER! Isn't safety worth that 1°C difference? (Maybe not even that.. cause I tested Feser One and distilled water and guess what.. Feser was 1°C better.. and its 100% non-conductive.. if it leaks, and stop cooling = PC will just shutdown cause of high temperatures.. much nicer than dead PC).
06-26-2009, 05:33 AM
MomijiTMO

=___=

Quick someone link that PTS vid.
06-26-2009, 05:33 AM
alacheesu

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mescalamba

I have one tiny advice for you.. DON'T USE WATER! Isn't safety worth that 1°C difference? (Maybe not even that.. cause I tested Feser One and distilled water and guess what.. Feser was 1°C better.. and its 100% non-conductive.. if it leaks, and stop cooling = PC will just shutdown cause of high temperatures.. much nicer than dead PC).

Wow.. just.. wow.
06-26-2009, 06:32 AM
veedubfreak

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mescalamba

I have one tiny advice for you.. DON'T USE WATER! Isn't safety worth that 1°C difference? (Maybe not even that.. cause I tested Feser One and distilled water and guess what.. Feser was 1°C better.. and its 100% non-conductive.. if it leaks, and stop cooling = PC will just shutdown cause of high temperatures.. much nicer than dead PC).

What flavor is that Feser Kool-aid you're drinking? :rofl:
06-26-2009, 08:25 AM
j.almonte

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mescalamba

I have one tiny advice for you.. DON'T USE WATER! Isn't safety worth that 1°C difference? (Maybe not even that.. cause I tested Feser One and distilled water and guess what.. Feser was 1°C better.. and its 100% non-conductive.. if it leaks, and stop cooling = PC will just shutdown cause of high temperatures.. much nicer than dead PC).

Ohhhhhh NOESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS !!!!!!!!!!:shakes::shakes::shakes: :shocked::shocked:
06-26-2009, 08:42 AM
RoadconeTuning

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mescalamba

I have one tiny advice for you.. DON'T USE WATER! Isn't safety worth that 1°C difference? (Maybe not even that.. cause I tested Feser One and distilled water and guess what.. Feser was 1°C better.. and its 100% non-conductive.. if it leaks, and stop cooling = PC will just shutdown cause of high temperatures.. much nicer than dead PC).

fail... distilled water = non-conductive... its the impurities in most water thats conductive.
06-26-2009, 08:46 AM
Mescalamba

Quote:

Originally Posted by veedubfreak

What flavor is that Feser Kool-aid you're drinking? :rofl:

Strawberry.. :D

No really, difference is almost zero from distilled water.. and its really non-conductive. Plus I don't need to worry about algae growing etc. or mixed metals.

Im pretty sure that nanofluid will work same, or better.. friend has it in system and its pretty good..

Watter is good for drinking (not distilled:D) but not for cooling any electrical HW .. I like my PC too much and spend too much to loose him for just few bucks/EUR which is some coolant worth..
06-26-2009, 08:47 AM
Mescalamba

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoadconeTuning

fail... distilled water = non-conductive... its the impurities in most water thats conductive.

Yea I know. Thats probably why my "distilled water" rig died due leak and shortcut.. say that to my last ASUS mobo. :D
06-26-2009, 09:12 AM
3Z3VH

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mescalamba

...
Watter is good for drinking (not distilled:D) but not for cooling any electrical HW ...

Why is Distilled water not good for drinking ?
06-26-2009, 09:27 AM
Waterlogged

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mescalamba

I have one tiny advice for you.. DON'T USE WATER! Isn't safety worth that 1°C difference? (Maybe not even that.. cause I tested Feser One and distilled water and guess what.. Feser was 1°C better.. and its 100% non-conductive.. if it leaks, and stop cooling = PC will just shutdown cause of high temperatures.. much nicer than dead PC).

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/8...onsirendy2.gif

New Fester shill?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mescalamba

Yea I know. Thats probably why my "distilled water" rig died due leak and shortcut.. say that to my last ASUS mobo. :D

...and how dusty was your computer at the time?....be honest now.;) You do know the same thing will happen with Fester's "fine" product if it hits dust as well, right?

Oh, and some mentioned "the video". :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWHFLbZEewU
06-26-2009, 09:30 AM
Defratos

You got an Antec 900 like me :rolleyes:. Quick question, are those fans on your rad blowing into the rad or out?
06-26-2009, 09:43 AM
andressergio

Quote:

Originally Posted by Defratos

You got an Antec 900 like me :rolleyes:. Quick question, are those fans on your rad blowing into the rad or out?

nice :up:

into the rad wich gave me better temps

Cheers
Sergio
06-26-2009, 10:06 AM
Mescalamba

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waterlogged

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/8...onsirendy2.gif

New Fester shill?

...and how dusty was your computer at the time?....be honest now.;) You do know the same thing will happen with Fester's "fine" product if it hits dust as well, right?

Oh, and some mentioned "the video". :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWHFLbZEewU

Yea it was probably little dusty, you can't have "dust free" PC .. unless you put it in box without ventilation.. which I don't find very "clever".

And video proves.. nothing? Putting running ventilator with LEDs (if Im correct) into water and nothing happens? Well, what should happen? Fans don't have complicated PCBs where only lowering resistance between components can kill..

Whats more important for me, that cause I'm double stupid, Feser leaked too.. half of mobo and graphic card was wet.. and nothing.. PC is fine. Compared to dead mobo before..

Both cases was use of 7/16" over 1/2" without hose clips.. it works, with Tygons quite good.. with cheaper tubing .. less and when your water runs hot.. :banana::banana::banana::banana: happens.. (probably even with Tygon.. haven't tested it).

If I had money for it, I would put whole PC into Feser One. :D Just to know if it works or not.. well, I don't have. I'm pretty happy that my PC runs fine.
06-26-2009, 10:17 AM
Waterlogged

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mescalamba

Yea it was probably little dusty, you can't have "dust free" PC .. unless you put it in box without ventilation.. which I don't find very "clever".

And video proves.. nothing? Putting running ventilator with LEDs (if Im correct) into water and nothing happens? Well, what should happen? Fans don't have complicated PCBs where only lowering resistance between components can kill..

Whats more important for me, that cause I'm double stupid, Feser leaked too.. half of mobo and graphic card was wet.. and nothing.. PC is fine. Compared to dead mobo before..

Both cases was use of 7/16" over 1/2" without hose clips.. it works, with Tygons quite good.. with cheaper tubing .. less and when your water runs hot.. :banana::banana::banana::banana: happens.. (probably even with Tygon.. haven't tested it).

If I had money for it, I would put whole PC into Feser One. :D Just to know if it works or not.. well, I don't have. I'm pretty happy that my PC runs fine.

*sigh*

You obviously missed it when Fester first brought their coolant to market, someone did a video (I think it was coolmiester) showed that it was "non-conductive" in the same manner. Petra's video was more or less poking fun at the video and exposing the sham.

You probably didn't have enough dust for the Fester leak.

As for full MoBo immersion in Fester one, you might want to never think of that again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-yT7cvfo3o
06-26-2009, 10:22 AM
rootz0r

video was done to challenge this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wdQmfcNkgw
06-26-2009, 10:27 AM
Waterlogged

Quote:

Originally Posted by rootz0r

video was done to challenge this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wdQmfcNkgw

Yeah, I think that's the original video but it wasn't originally posted by that person. The date on that video is after Petra's by almost a year.
06-26-2009, 10:40 AM
rootz0r

Yea.. I just linked the first one I saw :P
06-26-2009, 03:19 PM
MomijiTMO

Yay someone linked the video for me [was capped]. Yes, Feser One is marketing hype but it looks cool. I've had leaks on my pc when it was dusty and things are alive.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3Z3VH

Why is Distilled water not good for drinking ?

You can drink it safely and a lot of Asians are into their distilled water for some reason. Anyway, what they may be saying is that it's not ideal for you if you need to hydrate fast. It all works on osmosis and water will flow into more concentrated systems through a semi-permeable membrane [cell walls etc] to even out the concentration gradient. Your body also needs sodium and will pump sodium through the cell wall. I believe this mechanism is related to the uptake of sugars. By having a higher concentration of sodium in the cells [there already was but we are increasing the concentration difference via the sodium pump] water will rapidly flow into the cells via aquaporins or other channel proteins. So having a drink with sodium and sugar will increase water absorption rate and this is the basic principle behind products like Gatorade.
06-27-2009, 09:05 AM
andressergio

damn i never saw that video awesome lol it last more using just destilled :rofl:
06-27-2009, 10:21 AM
saaya

lol, those rings are def not new... so what, they are recycling seal rings? :eh:
06-27-2009, 11:06 AM
andressergio

Quote:

Originally Posted by saaya

lol, those rings are def not new... so what, they are recycling seal rings? :eh:

well when i installed seemed new but after a month the looked like that just on one side, the side that touched the copper surface...i claimed BFG to send me the water cooling accesories again as i leave in South America and used my last 2 on re building but still on mails...I won't send the card for this as card is working perfect awesome clocks, i think the accesories where faulty just that...

Cheers
Sergio